the wonger need food
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This guy would be a perfect fit for our offensive line of overpaid castoffs.
Fonoti on the trading block
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O-Line Shake-Up
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GP
Go Texans!
Nice homework.
My only gripe is that he's injured. We all know what kind of luck we have with putting our hopes in oft-injured players (Boselli, Joppru, Hollings).
He is a risk, but it does sound as if he only lost his job due to injury.
At this point, with what I read from our owner...I just don't see us making ANY more major moves until about 10 years from now. Maybe another nine years will be enough for Capers to prove himself, according to McNair.
This is just getting worse by the minute
My only gripe is that he's injured. We all know what kind of luck we have with putting our hopes in oft-injured players (Boselli, Joppru, Hollings).
He is a risk, but it does sound as if he only lost his job due to injury.
At this point, with what I read from our owner...I just don't see us making ANY more major moves until about 10 years from now. Maybe another nine years will be enough for Capers to prove himself, according to McNair.
This is just getting worse by the minute
HardKnockTexan
Rookie
Ofensive Linemen can still play with a broken hand. I've seen many games where a lineman is suited up and on the field with a cast over his arm.
the wonger need food
All Pro
The guys got some good credentials...
Had Drew Brees not had such a phenomenal year in 2004, people might very easily have mentioned the name Toniu Fonoti (TONE-u Foe-no-TEE) when discussing NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
After sitting out the 2003 season with a foot injury, Toniu returned to the field in 2004 more determined than ever. He started every game and finished the season as an All-Pro. Tonius devastating blocks filled the highlight reels as he helped pave the way for the leagues sixth-ranked rushing offense. As a unit, the Chargers offensive line surrendered only 21 sacks in 2004, fourth-fewest in the NFL.
Fonoti
Had Drew Brees not had such a phenomenal year in 2004, people might very easily have mentioned the name Toniu Fonoti (TONE-u Foe-no-TEE) when discussing NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
After sitting out the 2003 season with a foot injury, Toniu returned to the field in 2004 more determined than ever. He started every game and finished the season as an All-Pro. Tonius devastating blocks filled the highlight reels as he helped pave the way for the leagues sixth-ranked rushing offense. As a unit, the Chargers offensive line surrendered only 21 sacks in 2004, fourth-fewest in the NFL.
Fonoti
the wonger need food
All Pro
And please... no one post "we don't need a Guard".
William.carter
Waterboy
the wonger need food said:
It's rare that we agree, but I have to say Wonger is right, there isn't a position on the O-line that couldn't be improved at this point.
the wonger need food
All Pro
We beat them in sack totals.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Too bad we don't have anything of value to trade other than draft picks. Casserly loves to throw these away, so it might be a possibility.
the wonger need food
All Pro
So, has Wand been completely written off as another bust???
Don't know if this was posted already... Texans planning an offensive-line makeover
Pitts has to play LT from here on out, he's the best option out of this bunch. If Riley takes over for what was supposed to be the best offensive lineman... well, the thought of that leaves me speechless.
If they could get Fotoni into this mix they have the potential to win at least 3 games this season.
Don't know if this was posted already... Texans planning an offensive-line makeover
Pitts has to play LT from here on out, he's the best option out of this bunch. If Riley takes over for what was supposed to be the best offensive lineman... well, the thought of that leaves me speechless.
If they could get Fotoni into this mix they have the potential to win at least 3 games this season.
the wonger need food said:
This is incredible. According to the article you shuffle these ineffective players around and add one face to the line - and that where we have the weakest backup. Wade vs. Riley for starting RT - talk about your epic battles!
Of course, ol' Len may have gotten this scoop from our message board and not the front office.
Coach C.
Veteran
riley is not the answer in the starting lineup at all. He has been a RG or RT most of his professional career, but he was servicable at best. I like the Pitts to LT I have been posting it since I came on this board. I am not sure with Hogdon, but if he studies film and does a good job pulling and with blitz pickup I will not have a problem with it.
Herein lies a major clue to the root cause of many of our problems.
Just over a year after giving a guy (Wade) a six-year, 30 million dollar free agent contract including a 10 million dollar signing bonus, he's being demoted and asked to compete for his job against a journeyman right tackle who plays for the minimum. I'm sorry but I don't see the good in this. This is a major league goat rope and our GM should be held responsible. Don't get me started on some of the other contract decisions... (Gary Walker) ..... <Blood Pressure rising....must step away....>
Just over a year after giving a guy (Wade) a six-year, 30 million dollar free agent contract including a 10 million dollar signing bonus, he's being demoted and asked to compete for his job against a journeyman right tackle who plays for the minimum. I'm sorry but I don't see the good in this. This is a major league goat rope and our GM should be held responsible. Don't get me started on some of the other contract decisions... (Gary Walker) ..... <Blood Pressure rising....must step away....>
awtysst
Draft Guru
aj. said:
Walker is gone next year(hopefully).
Next ytear we hopefully draft our LT Beast. Another improvement I see in this is the use of Hodgkens at Center. I am ready to see what the kid can do!
(I am trying to be optimistic, its the only way I can get myself to go to a sports bar and watch them without feeling depressed on my way there).
aj. said:
Blood pressure? From the article:
The Texans started the same line unit -- Riley at left tackle, Pitts at left guard, McKinney at center, Wiegert at right guard and Wade at right tackle -- in each of the first four games of the season. The results have been disastrous, as Houston has been unable to get into any offensive rhythm and Carr has been consistently under pressure.
4 of them are still starting, and the fifth will compete for one of the slots. Why not just stick Riley at center so we effectively make very little change and don't hurt anybody's feelings?
wrestler4life
Waterboy
At least (if this is true) they are trying to do something. I, for one, am happy to see that.
Coach C.
Veteran
Pitts, McKinney or Weigert, Hogdon or McKinney, Wade, Wand. This is our best bet for any hope of allowing less than 3 sacks in a game. I told a friend that works for the Texans that if I see Riley starting at LT I am turning off the game and going to cuddle up with my chick and a bottle of Hennessey. At least I know I am gonna get good action then.
wrestler4life
Waterboy
It is like our coaches actually decided to find their brain. It is like they just noticed that these guys should be where they are used to playing!
buckaroo_banzai
Noob
i can't believe we want wand back after all the talk last season. 
things must be really bad for us
things must be really bad for us
buckaroo_banzai said:i can't believe we want wand back after all the talk last season.
things must be really bad for us
Well, Wand took more than his fair share of the blame last season. He was the only change on the line this year, and the line play has fallen off dramatically.
infantrycak said:
They are running for less yards per carry to the left this year too. Last year that was the best side of our line in this stat.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
awtysst said:
This is the problem aj is talking about with bad GM decisions. It would cost the Texans more in cap room this year and next to cut Walker than to keep him on the roster--about $4 mil to keep him this year and about $9 mil to bail him. Casserly has trapped the Texans into keeping him or taking a huge cap hit. Same thing with Wade--his cap hit to carry this year is a little over $3 mil but to cut him would cost about $7.5. Now that is fine if it is what you have to do to sign a draft pick like AJ or for a guy you know is going to play out his contract at full value for what you are paying, but it is cruddy if you are talking about a guy who albeit great when healthy is playing on his last injured leg and will certainly not see the end of the contract and a guy who is "solid" but maybe not solid enough to keep his job as a starter. Casserly has to be responsible here too.
On the other hand with Wade, he never gave up more than 5.5 sacks in the 4 years prior to coming to Houston. Last year he gave up 6 and this year he is on pace to give up 12. Last year he had 3 total penalties, this year he is on pace for 12. Wade ain't a hero, but right now he is looking like a zero. Given that the same description applies to the whole rapidly regressing team, IMO what we have is either a monstrously bungling coaching staff or the players have quit on the coaches or more likely both at this point.
Basic fact is we can't get rid of the whole team because of the salary cap, but we can get rid of the whole coaching/management staff and hope they can build something out of the rubble.
"Rookie Drew Hodgdon, a fifth-round draft choice from Arizona State, will move into the lineup at center, under the changes discussed by the Houston coaching staff. "
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OK, I like it. Lets get the young guys in there so they can get some real NFL
experience. Maybe we can salvage something from this season yet.
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OK, I like it. Lets get the young guys in there so they can get some real NFL
experience. Maybe we can salvage something from this season yet.
jacquescas
Veteran
if we had only kept glenn, not traded for buchanon drafted khalif barnes and elton brown with the picks and be happy
the wonger need food
All Pro
Couple of questions here...
1) Why did it take 4 games to figure out the current configuration was not working? Wasn't it pretty evident after they gave up 7 to Cinci who had 2 total before that?
2) How did Len Pasquarelli scoop John McClain on this?
1) Why did it take 4 games to figure out the current configuration was not working? Wasn't it pretty evident after they gave up 7 to Cinci who had 2 total before that?
2) How did Len Pasquarelli scoop John McClain on this?
Wand - Wiegert - Hogdgon - Pitts - Rotate Riley and Wade at RT 50/50
Let Wand and Hogdgon get experience they show more potential and cant be worse than what we have now.
Riley is a bull in the running game but is a TAAAAAARIBLE pass blocker. IMO Wade is a little below average at both run and pass blocking. So Rotate them in and out to keep them fresh at the end of the game.
I bet Billy Miller is laughing his @$$ off right now.
Let Wand and Hogdgon get experience they show more potential and cant be worse than what we have now.
Riley is a bull in the running game but is a TAAAAAARIBLE pass blocker. IMO Wade is a little below average at both run and pass blocking. So Rotate them in and out to keep them fresh at the end of the game.
I bet Billy Miller is laughing his @$$ off right now.
the wonger need food said:
1) I don't have the exact quote, but in Capers' radio show yesterday he stated something like "we are going to have meetings Tuesday to determine if any changes are required and what they should be if required"
If any changes are required? Doesn't he go to the games? Maybe we should feel lucky they are making changes after only 4 games.
2) a) McClain didn't know or
b) McClain had an agreement to let the coaches tell the players before he'd publish anything.
Either way that tells you something about our local sports journalism.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I am bewildered, a bit scared, yet feel ecstatic about the things to come. I am interested in what Hodgon can do. That interest is thin due to not seeing him play a snap to date.
Anybody like what they saw at ASU or in preseason?
Anybody like what they saw at ASU or in preseason?
my thing is during training camp everyone kept on saying how chad beasley was supposed to be really good then we cut him for milford brown...personally i think benching riley starting wand at LT is the right move...give wand one more chance to see if he developed into something decent as a starter that way we know if we need to draft a LT with the number 1 pick
if wade, wiegert, and mckinney can't step up their game then casserly looks like a damn fool...and so does the coaching staff...why is this line so bad year in and year out...when no other team in the nfl has this much trouble with their line on a year to year basis...even the chicago bears have a decent line every once in awhile...this just goes to show you that when you don't draft o-lineman in rounds 3-5 on a consistant basis you are going to suffer
if wade, wiegert, and mckinney can't step up their game then casserly looks like a damn fool...and so does the coaching staff...why is this line so bad year in and year out...when no other team in the nfl has this much trouble with their line on a year to year basis...even the chicago bears have a decent line every once in awhile...this just goes to show you that when you don't draft o-lineman in rounds 3-5 on a consistant basis you are going to suffer
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Kaiser Toro said:
i to feel "ecstatic". but its more about the upcomming off-season then it is the remainder of the season.
new coach.
new line.
new coordinators.
that #1 pick come april makes ya feel like a celebrity. i cant wait. it makes this all worthwhile...
TexanExile
A New Hope
Hey, they can't do this "experimenting" stuff! The line could fall apart! What would happen to the pass protection!? They'll get obliterated--you could see this team giving up seven or ten sacks per game!
Oh, wait. Never mind.
I love it. It's time to start tinkering. I'll take a few more false start penalties per game in exchange for fewer sacks.
Oh, wait. Never mind.
I love it. It's time to start tinkering. I'll take a few more false start penalties per game in exchange for fewer sacks.
William.carter
Waterboy
touttail said:ESPN is saying that this is what the Texan coaches are going to do:
Hodgdon-Center
McKinney-LGuard
Pitts-LTackle
Wiegert-RGuard
Wade & Riley competing for RTackle
This is the planned lineup shakeup!
bobby 119C
Sounds like Wand has been written off completely. You would think they would at least let him compete with Riley and Wade for the RT spot or something.
Beasley did a fair job filling in for Wiegert when he was injured that one pre-season game but apearently being servicable on a sub-standard line gets you cut.
edo783
Hall of Fame
Not sure why, but Seth Wand seems to have gotten on the bad side of coaches. He did a FAIR job for what amounted to a rookie last year (certainly better than Riley the human turnstyle). If he improved the same amount from year 1 to year 2 as Pitts did, he would have been acceptable. Not sure what's going on, but I suspect the coaches have screwed up his confidence bad and he knows they aren't going to play him no matter what. In that kind of a situation a guys effort in practice may be dimminished. New coaches next year might see a totaly different guy.
You and a bunch more of us have been complaining loudly about the TexansCoach C. said:
awarding the LT slot to Riley ever since they did it back in TC. And Seth Wand is like a POW - he has disappeared from the face of the earth. Dang, wonder if his own family knows his whereabouts ?
mean mark8
Waterboy
William.carter said:
Dude, but we still have Fred Weary
You just know what a stud he's been since year 1 for this team. We could never waive our 1st 3rd round pick, I think, what an embarrassment that the scouts couldn't tell a good o-lineman from a bad one. Of course I think that's pretty evident by now isn't it. 
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
edo783 said:
Seriously, did Wand pee on one of the coache's Wheaties? He was better last year than Riley this year, but Riley gets to compete and he doesn't. This seems like the coaching staff met in August and said, "hey y'all want to go fishing this spring."
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
infantrycak said:
This coaching staff gets rid of anyone who might criticize them. Remember, people like Sharper and Glenn. What would you expect. We may disagree on a lot of things, but I hope we are on the same page as far as this coaching staff is concerned.