Now do i seem ridiculous?????

[chuckm]

wow ...... whatta read ...... the more things change the more they stay the same ....

same guys are screaming CARR SUCKS .....
same guys are screaming BE PATIENT HE'LL BE FINE ....

thank God for Gary Kubiak ....

 

[jerek]

its not that im a david carr homer becuase im far from it but if they would let sage start that would still be admiting we were wrong in drafting Carr Well i mean casserly was wrong and we cant do that to david carr he is the one remaining C's of the tree c's Casserly gone Capers gone Carr still here but may be there's a pattern. i can alredy smell all the negative rating im going to get from this from the david carr homers. david carr is god may be this will help a little

It's hard to take a poster seriously when his seemingly imperceptive, paragraph-long rant features numerous misspellings and only one period. FWIW.

 

[KKHouston]

Sage when did you join the MB. You are Sage right?

No, I think it's Sage's mother.

 

[rmartin65]

Carr had a better completion average then Rosenfels, right? That is skewed becasuse he threw 5 passes versus Rosenfel's 18, but then again it was against better people. Plus, it was one game, hard to take much stuff from that.

 

[texan279]

Sage was playing aginst 2nd and 3rd team guys against a KC team who lacks depth because of injuries right now, and it's not like Sage was looking like Montana out there. Granted, he played a good game, but he made some mistakes and bad throws. This was our first preseason game against a banged up KC team, Carr was in the game for two possessions. I guess if you think we should start Sage because of last night, Lundy should be our starting RB and Mario should be benched...I am going to wait until at least the end of preseason before developing an opinion on anyone on the team. And before I get slammed as a "Carr lover", go back in the gameday thread and read my posts, I said he looked shaky and made 2 bad passes that should have been picked off around halftime I think.

 

[chuckm]

Sage was playing aginst 2nd and 3rd team guys against a KC team who lacks depth because of injuries right now, and it's not like Sage was looking like Montana out there.

Let's not cloud a perfectly good heated debate with facts, OK?

 

[KKHouston]

I guess if you think we should start Sage because of last night, Lundy should be our starting RB and Mario should be benched...

Too early to tell on Mario, but I am not sure Lundy shouldn't be our starting RB. He reminded me of 5 other backs in the last 8 years in Denver.

 

[KKHouston]

mmm

Yeah, I noticed that, too. SWT... owned again.

 

[Hulk75]

If Carr and Sage have similar performances in the next couple of preseason games the controversy will really start.

Sage is solid, but Carr just signed for a lot of money...

Yea that makes sense..............

Carr play against 1st team guys

Sage plays with the NFL Europe guys,

Yea thats even. They would sure be neck and neck.

 

[MrMeToo]

Carr didn't look impressive. He couldn't even get Andre, our number 1 reciever, the ball and our touchdown came from running the ball.He looked like the same Carr to me.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

It's hard to take a poster seriously when his seemingly imperceptive, paragraph-long rant features numerous misspellings and only one period. FWIW.

so does that mean your going to give me more negative rep like your used too when i mention david carr bananasplit: i hope this wasnt long enough and let me run it thru spell check i dont want to get and F in houstontexans.com spelling class

 

[Porky]

Preseason is when we set the roster. If everyone here agrees that Sage performed well against the second team, then if your arguement is going to be it was only the 2nd team, why not let him start and run the first team reps next week? If he sucks it up against the first team like carr did, then i'll shut up and go away.

This reminds me of the old adage, if you say something enough times, maybe people will start to believe it. Do you think you are the only one who watched the game last night? Just because you say Carr sucked and played like garbage, are we supposed to believe you over our own eyes. I am not a Carr apoligist, but he in no way sucked last night. If I were his teacher, he would get a B from me. Now, last preseason, yes he sucked. Last preseason, he would have gotten an F from me. Last night, in limited action, he looked more poised and in command then I saw last year. He made good decisions for the most part, and was more decisive. The long throw was not a bad pass. You know, there are actually players on the other side that can make plays too. The one that should have been picked off is up for debate. We would have to know how the play is designed. It MAY have been a bad pass, but there is not enough info to know. Ragging on a guy this badly, who threw all of 5 passes, and led the team in his limited time to a scoring drive, clearly makes you look like someone with an agenda, rather than a fan just wanting the best for the team.

 

[swtbound07]

This reminds me of the old adage, if you say something enough times, maybe people will start to believe it. Do you think you are the only one who watched the game last night? Just because you say Carr sucked and played like garbage, are we supposed to believe you over our own eyes. I am not a Carr apoligist, but he in no way sucked last night. If I were his teacher, he would get a B from me. Now, last preseason, yes he sucked. Last preseason, he would have gotten an F from me. Last night, in limited action, he looked more poised and in command then I saw last year. He made good decisions for the most part, and was more decisive. The long throw was not a bad pass. You know, there are actually players on the other side that can make plays too. The one that should have been picked off is up for debate. We would have to know how the play is designed. It MAY have been a bad pass, but there is not enough info to know. Ragging on a guy this badly, who threw all of 5 passes, and led the team in his limited time to a scoring drive, clearly makes you look like someone with an agenda, rather than a fan just wanting the best for the team.

I know my intentions...I can't help how it appears. I saw a better option then Carr last night...as I said earlier...whats the harm in letting rosenfels get reps against the 1st team in the next preseason game if his poise was really just due to playing against poor competition?

 

[infantrycak]

OK, now to get a more reasoned in here somewhere...

I watched it live, then went home and played DVR games for two hrs. looking at every snap of the 1st quarter. Several things stood out...

Did Carr look perfect, no...

His one "Bad" throw was NOT a poor choice or anything resembling one, nor did it appear a case of "lock-on". Carr appeared to be throwing at a spot for AJ to curl on, but AJ kept running his crossing route. Call it mixed signals, or confusion if you want, but the pass went where David was aiming...period.

No happy feet, every time David left the pocket (less than it appeared to me live) it was on a DESIGNED rollout. David has been coached by Kubes in practice to take what the defense is giving him and to run for yardage if he can. It'd be awfully short-sighted to criticize him for doing as told.

Sage...

Rosenfels looked very comfortable in the Kubiak "system". Playing against the guys further down the Chiefs razor-thin defensive depth chart certainly didn't hurt.

He wasn't flawless, and cost us at least TWO 1st downs due to poor decision-making and "locking-on" to a certain receiver. I focused on Joppru when we finally put him in...Sage failed to throw deep middle to Bennie on two consecutive plays where he was ALL ALONE, instead opting for short dump-offs that didn't pan out. Let us not forget a few passes at the shoelaces as well.

In conclusion - They were just baby steps, but they were in the right direction. The 'reality' is that Carr was a little nervous perhaps, but looked good in the new system, but had little time to get all the kinks worked out. Sage looked better than advertised and made me comfortable with him as a #2. Sage looks very good on short 'touch' passes, but don't expect him to rifle one in w/ Carr's velocity.

To answer the thread title - Yes, You DO seem ridiculous.

What he said. The rest of this thread is agenda which was already determined before the game was played.

 

[tulexan]

Maybe the Dolphins should start Brock Berlin over Daunte Culpepper. Culpepper was a pathetic 1/2 for 2 yards while Berlin was 6/12 for 104 yards and a TD.

It is hard to put up monster stats when you only have 2 possessions and are a run oriented team. If Carr was 3-15 for 23 yards in 2 or 3 quarters, then yes you would have a point. But he was 3-5 for 23 yards (plus 20 yards rushing) in one quarter running a scaled down version of our offense.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

For all of the people who have been slamming me when I said we should start rosenfels over carr, now do you at least admit it should merit consideration?? One Qb looked poised, made good reads and throws, and ran the offense crisply, and the other looked nervous, flustered, made bad throws, locked onto his primary target, and didnt run the offense well. Rosenfels should at LEAST be starting a preseason game, if not hop Carr on the depth chart.

Both Sage and Porter really surprised me. Granted, they weren't playing against the same D, but they both played well. Sage definitely merits consideration and Carr needs to step it up to keep his job. I think in the end that Carr is going to be the better of the two, but Sage is much better than I expected... and that makes me feel better in case DC gets injured.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

So my question is....how perfect does sage have to play versus how poorly does carr have to play for him to lose his job? Because I think tonight showed that is what should happen....and i've been saying it for weeks now.

Carr needs to actually play bad to lose his job and Sage has to look like he's actually going to play better than Carr will. What I saw looked pretty good from both guys. I think this bootleg type offense is exactly the sort of thing that David needed.

 

[Vinny]

What he said. The rest of this thread is agenda which was already determined before the game was played.

I think swt has an agenda too...but lets face it...Carr was on pace for another 100 yard passing game and struggled in the pocket and struggled passing in the middle of the field again (this has always been his problem). The only time he looked comfortable was when he was on the sideline throwing a safe sideline pass.

 

[KKHouston]

I think swt has an agenda too...but lets face it...Carr was on pace for another 100 yard passing game and struggled in the pocket and struggled passing in the middle of the field again (this has always been his problem). The only time he looked comfortable was when he was on the sideline throwing a safe sideline pass.

I respectfully disagree, Vinny. He looked extremely comfortable on his boots, and looking across the middle.

 

[Revolution]

Carr looked like garbage

This statement says all you need to know about this swt guy. He slams Carr just to slam him. There was nothing about last nights game that you could say was "garbage."

Come on everyone all you need to do is look at his avatar.

 

[Tulip]

I thought all 3 QBs looked good. I was pleasantly surprised. I had low expectations for Carr and Rosenfels and none for Porter. They all looked poised and made some good plays.

 

[Vinny]

I respectfully disagree, Vinny. He looked extremely comfortable on his boots, and looking across the middle.

I haven't rewatched the game yet but Carr fumbled on one key possession (lucky bounce got us the first down), and all the passes that were in the middle of the field that were not underneath coverage were touched by a Chief before a Texan wr touched them....you can call that comfy...I call that less than comfortable. I think he looks great on the roll out and when he throws underneath or to the sidelines....but teams can take that away in due time. He has to get better in the pocket and in the middle of the field with his passes or we won't be able to sustain drives and he will pass for 24 yards a quarter as he did yesterday and all too often in the past.

 

[CajunTexan]

I haven't rewatched the game yet but Carr fumbled on one key possession (lucky bounce got us the first down), and all the passes that were in the middle of the field that were not underneath coverage were touched by a Chief before a Texan wr touched them....you can call that comfy...I call that less than comfortable. I think he looks great on the roll out and when he throws underneath or to the sidelines....but teams can take that away in due time. He has to get better in the pocket and in the middle of the field with his passes or we won't be able to sustain drives and he will pass for 24 yards a quarter as he did yesterday and all too often in the past.

Perception is reality
SWT is just whack...but what is interesting is how the play of Carr at QB last night sifted it's way through your perception screen Vinny.

After reading this thread for the last 30 minutes, and noting how all of the eye witnesses viewed the game, it is interesting how most, if not all, saw improvement and you saw the "same old, same old".

Not calling you out or categorizing you, it is just interesting IMO.

 

[Vinny]

Perception is reality
SWT is just whack...but what is interesting is how the play of Carr at QB last night sifted it's way through your perception screen Vinny.

After reading this thread for the last 30 minutes, and noting how all of the eye witnesses viewed the game, it is interesting how most, if not all, saw improvement and you saw the "same old, same old".

Not calling you out or categorizing you, it is just interesting IMO.

He threw 5 passes, two were touched by Chiefs first, fumbled once...and he threw for 24 yards in the quarter on pace for his usual hunsky. That doesn't look too different to me. I did praise him for looking "excellent" outside the pocket...but you guys can't take unbiased views...you have to have a homer take or you can't stand it.

 

[Wolf]

I got to rewatch it today and unless my steel blue glasses were on.

well one pass should have been intercepted.. AJ did a great job breaking it up.. the other one the LB made a heck of a play and no way the LB catches that at any time.. LB was going to his left and outstretched to hit the ball ...one of those really good plays.. wasn't a bad pass but more of a better play. LB misses that AJ has a chance to go to paydirt..good pass IMO and only thing I didn't get to catch on is if Carr looked off the receiver and if he didn't that was the difference

 

[CajunTexan]

but you guys can't take unbiased views...you have to have a homer take or you can't stand it.

I just made an observation about how your view was in the minority of views that I read on this thread from fans that were at the game.

I did not give my view, as I did not see the game, only ESPN highlights. I hardly think this rates the above quote.

 

[Brandon420tx]

A thing about the first quarter, The texans had 2 drives. lasting 9 minutes and 51 seconds. KC's second drive went into the second quarter. Carr had 17 plays, Rosenfels had 37*

*Don't know which number of the plays were punts or that darmn missed FG

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/drives/NFL_20060812_KC@HOU

Wow, I didn't put an opinion in here... fine here we go

My Opinion: Carr and Rosenfels still have work to do in order to become great QBs

 

[Wolf]

the fumble stunk, but I after watching this, this morning that my first instict was we wouldn't have gotten the first... FB took on 1st blocker and another LB was coming through the hole when the RB hit it(got lucky on the Carr fumble) I am not saying Carr shouldn't have fumbled and Carr got lucky getting it back, but would have been an interesting matchup if RB and LB would have met in that hole

 

[TEXANRED]

Because he didn't get picked in 2 series he's developing? Please.... Rosenfels will be the starter for this team before the season is over.

Really? Wow. I wish I had your crystal ball.

And while we are on the subject and your handy dandy Magic 8 ball is working better than mine, what stock should I buy tomorrow. I was thinking Ford but not sure how they would close considering there up and down over the last three months.

 

[Vinny]

I just made an observation about how your view was in the minority of views that I read on this thread from fans that were at the game.

I did not give my view, as I did not see the game, only ESPN highlights. I hardly think this rates the above quote.

I'm in the minority view many times because I don't parrot the views of others. I've always given my unbiased reflection of the games and I think my opinion has held up over the last 5 years as well as anyone's.

'you' means you all....not you specifically. It's a general thing.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

He threw 5 passes, two were touched by Chiefs first, fumbled once...and he threw for 24 yards in the quarter on pace for his usual hunsky. That doesn't look too different to me. I did praise him for looking "excellent" outside the pocket...but you guys can't take unbiased views...you have to have a homer take or you can't stand it.

Well, after re-watching the "bad pass" that Surtain almost intercepted and AJ broke up, it looked more like a miscommunication to me, it looked like Carr was thinking it was a curl and A.J. kept running, so only the coaching staff knows that one.

The second was a great defensive play by the LB.

I think Carr looked great on the rollouts, I think he looked comfortable as a Leader, and I would like to see more than 5 passes before I say he is only going to pass for a 100 yards. All in all he looked pretty good to me, but I will re-watch the entire game soon. The fumble looked liked a bad exchange from center, DC seemed too anxious to get going on that play and didn't secure it.

Bottom Line is Kubiak will continue to evaluate Carr and his play, and he will make him better, and if he can't get him to succeed then I have been wrong about where I think Carr is headed.

 

[Revolution]

I'm in the minority view many times because I don't parrot the views of others. I've always given my unbiased reflection of the games and I think my opinion has held up over the last 5 years as well as anyone's.

'you' means you all....not you specifically. It's a general thing.

Just because your view is the minority view, how does that necessarily make it unbiased? You do not like Carr, just come out and say it. People will respect you more for it. The fact that you do not like Carr, makes it impossible for you to make an unbiased review of his performance last night, at least from what I see.

Judging him on his first preseason game...If that is the case, then I guess Lundi should have been a top five pick and Vince Young should have been a 6th round pick.

I am not saying either is the case, BTW. Sometimes you have to clarify on message boards!

 

[Tulip]

Just because your view is the minority view, how does that necessarily make it unbiased? You do not like Carr, just come out and say it. People will respect you more for it. The fact that you do not like Carr, makes it impossible for you to make an unbiased review of his performance last night, at least from what I see.

Judging him on his first preseason game...If that is the case, then I guess Lundi should have been a top five pick and Vince Young should have been a 6th round pick.

Hold up. This was not David Carr's first preseason game - it was his 18th. And it was close to his 80th NFL game. Comparing him to rookies isn't really fair to the rookies.

 

[Vinny]

Just because your view is the minority view, how does that necessarily make it unbiased? You do not like Carr, just come out and say it. People will respect you more for it. The fact that you do not like Carr, makes it impossible for you to make an unbiased review of his performance last night, at least from what I see.

Judging him on his first preseason game...If that is the case, then I guess Lundi should have been a top five pick and Vince Young should have been a 6th round pick.

I've been here for years...Everyone knows that I just post what I see. I don't hate anyone...not that I know of.

I don't post much in Carr threads because it's impossible to be anything but a homer on this board when it comes to Carr and not get personally attacked.

I'm done here for now...have your fun.

 

[Texans_Chick]

He threw 5 passes, two were touched by Chiefs first, fumbled once...and he threw for 24 yards in the quarter on pace for his usual hunsky. That doesn't look too different to me. I did praise him for looking "excellent" outside the pocket...but you guys can't take unbiased views...you have to have a homer take or you can't stand it.

I think if people put out there point of view and supported with facts without describing players as "garbage," I think people can hear it. IMO, when someone is being deliberately provocative in their choice of language and admittedly love stirring pots, they are more interested seeking attention than providing thoughtful analysis to people.

As an aside....

From what I understand, usually the early plays in Kubiak's offense are scripted. The guys upstairs in the booth look at what the tendencies of the defense are from how they reacted to the scripted plays. From that, they make playcalls based on exploiting what the defense is doing. (Imagine that.) That, I think, is where all the bootlegs came from.

Ultimately, I am not sure that you can take just the limited plays that Carr had, times them by 4 and say you get a hunsky. You know, because the game is one of momentum and flow and taking what the defense is giving, so there is really no telling.

I agree he didn't look very comfy throwing to the middle of the field, and that some of his reads looked forced. From watching on my TV screen and at the game, I really couldn't see where he is was looking too well.

I was encouraged that the offense looked like interchangeable pieces. And that the first, second or third team never looked particularly lost. In a violent game, that is something that might come in handy. Nothing terribly flashy about that, but if we can build on dependable stuff that equals wins, I'd be pretty happy about that.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Well, after re-watching the "bad pass" that Surtain almost intercepted and AJ broke up, it looked more like a miscommunication to me, it looked like Carr was thinking it was a curl and A.J. kept running, so only the coaching staff knows that one.

This is an excellent point that is good to keep in mind but often gets lost in fan discussions of games.

When I talk to players and coaches, it is the number one thing that comes up when I ask them about stuff that they wish that fans really understood about the game.

 

[Revolution]

I've been here for years...Everyone knows that I just post what I see. I don't hate anyone...not that I know of.

I don't post much in Carr threads because it's impossible to be anything but a homer on this board when it comes to Carr and not get personally attacked.

I'm done here for now...have your fun.

I didn't say you hated anyone did I? But it is pretty obvious that you do not like Carr, for whatever reason.

I am open to Carr not being the long term solution. From what we have seen with the new coaching staff, it is pretty obvious the last regime had no clue. I just say we should give Carr the benefit of the doubt. We should not judge him on one quarter of football. As TC said, it is likely that every play that Carr was part of was scripted pregame.

I just need to see more before i throw Carr out with the bath water (old regime).

 

[Hardcore Texan]

I think if people put out there point of view and supported with facts without describing players as "garbage," I think people can hear it. IMO, when someone is being deliberately provocative in their choice of language and admittedly love stirring pots, they are more interested seeking attention than providing thoughtful analysis to people.

As an aside....

From what I understand, usually the early plays in Kubiak's offense are scripted. The guys upstairs in the booth look at what the tendencies of the defense are from how they reacted to the scripted plays. From that, they make playcalls based on exploiting what the defense is doing. (Imagine that.) That, I think, is where all the bootlegs came from.

Ultimately, I am not sure that you can take just the limited plays that Carr had, times them by 4 and say you get a hunsky. You know, because the game is one of momentum and flow and taking what the defense is giving, so there is really no telling.

I agree he didn't look very comfy throwing to the middle of the field, and that some of his reads looked forced. From watching on my TV screen and at the game, I really couldn't see where he is was looking too well.

I was encouraged that the offense looked like interchangeable pieces. And that the first, second or third team never looked particularly lost. In a violent game, that is something that might come in handy. Nothing terribly flashy about that, but if we can build on dependable stuff that equals wins, I'd be pretty happy about that.

I thought I saw you and one other MB member on TV. It was that red hat, the other person I thought I saw was the guy with his avatar of baby on his shoulder, looked just like the guy in the avatar I will have to look for a post of his to remember his username.

 

[The Dude Abides]

For all of the people who have been slamming me when I said we should start rosenfels over carr, now do you at least admit it should merit consideration?? One Qb looked poised, made good reads and throws, and ran the offense crisply, and the other looked nervous, flustered, made bad throws, locked onto his primary target, and didnt run the offense well. Rosenfels should at LEAST be starting a preseason game, if not hop Carr on the depth chart.

Isn't this a preseason game? Not only that, it was Carr vs. first team VS. Rosenfels vs. leftovers. There's no need for a QB debate until half way through the season. I got into this thread to late I think.

 

[Vinny]

I didn't say you hated anyone did I? But it is pretty obvious that you do not like Carr, for whatever reason.

Basically you tell me that if I am dishonest people will like me more....but trust me when I tell you this...I have no desire to be "popular". I just tell it like I see it. I have said negative things about many players over many years here but once I talk about Carr people come out say that my posts aren't respectable or I have some sort of agenda...that's just bull. I like to be right, so I don't like to push foolish agendas that make me look bad. I just give my honest thoughts on the game. Sorry that offends you guys but it will never change even though people like you can't stand that I post my opinion and call me out on it. I don't tell you that you are not entitled to your opinion, why don't you do the same for me pards.

 

[MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS]

Here we go again bashing Carr this gets old everyone, Sage looked great big deal, here is a guy 6 years in the league only 2 starts in the last 2 seasons, 3rd string QB for the Redskins traded to miami, now dumped here in Houston.....Mcnair did not pay David Carr all the millions, so we can get a plunger out and suck up some 3rd string QB.......Everyone lets give David a chance....... Rome was not built in one day this is our Quarterback....... give our coaches and staff a fair chance to mold David please.......don't get me wrong Sage looked good and the coaching staff picked him up for a reason, but not to a least give David a fair chance, is wrong, Capers and Casserly days are over, this is our team......if you need help with this rent the movie Hoosiers with Gene Hackman......true classic

 

[FILO_girl]

I thought I saw you and one other MB member on TV. It was that red hat, the other person I thought I saw was the guy with his avatar of baby on his shoulder, looked just like the guy in the avatar I will have to look for a post of his to remember his username.

Yep, TC was on TV during the game last night.

 

[Texans_Chick]

I thought I saw you and one other MB member on TV. It was that red hat, the other person I thought I saw was the guy with his avatar of baby on his shoulder, looked just like the guy in the avatar I will have to look for a post of his to remember his username.

Yup, that was me and friend Diane. I was trying to jam all the stuff back into my purse after pulling my new Texans flag out of it and waving it after the touchdown. It folds up pretty nice.

Geez, with this candid camera stuff, I'm gonna have to be very careful to keep my legs crossed and not pick my nose and whatnot now that I have camera zone seats. eek.

 

[Brandon420tx]

Here's a question for some of you Veterans on the boards; that I respect the opinion of...Vinny, TC and the like...

Why does speaking negatively...wait, scrap that...why does speaking IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN 100% POSITIVELY OF CARR...automatically mean that we are bashing him?

Is it the implication of many that if we aren't a Carr (what's the word for "suck-up"?) "fan" then somehow we aren't a Texans fan?

I mean good grief guys..."Rome wasn't built in a day?" But I bet that they didn't have supervisors pushing crews that DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IN THE HECK THEY WERE DOING!!!!!

Leave it to my old buddy SWT to spawn a "carr basher" thread! lol

Edit: (You must spread some rep before.... Luv ya blue again.... forgot to sign)
Well then, according to you, I'm a Carr and Rosenfels basher!



http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=405069&postcount=105

 

[Wolf]

discussions of starting Qb's,politics and religion all are a left or right thing (it seems)

like the old joke "What is the most popular player on a losing football team?" ...backup QB..

hmm reminds me of the oliver luck days.

 

[Revolution]

Basically you tell me that if I am dishonest people will like me more....but trust me when I tell you this...I have no desire to be "popular". I just tell it like I see it. I have said negative things about many players over many years here but once I talk about Carr people come out say that my posts aren't respectable or I have some sort of agenda...that's just bull. I like to be right, so I don't like to push foolish agendas that make me look bad. I just give my honest thoughts on the game. Sorry that offends you guys but it will never change even though people like you can't stand that I post my opinion and call me out on it. I don't tell you that you are not entitled to your opinion, why don't you do the same for me pards.

Chill, you are throwing lots of things my way that are totally wrong. I didn't tell you to lie. I just think it is obvious you don't like Carr, the quarterback. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. Did I say that you weren't? I'm just gonna let this go because it seems you are quite upset about something.

 

[Doug]

I thought all 3 QBs looked good. I was pleasantly surprised. I had low expectations for Carr and Rosenfels and none for Porter. They all looked poised and made some good plays.

I agree with this except for the expectations of Carr. I didn't have high or low expectations. I expected Porter to look a little like Printers but he held up real well.

 

[Vinny]

Chill, you are throwing lots of things my way that are totally wrong. I didn't tell you to lie. I just think it is obvious you don't like Carr, the quarterback. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. Did I say that you weren't? I'm just gonna let this go because it seems you are quite upset about something.

It is a pet peeve of mine. I'm in this thread talking about our players and you are talking about me. Refute my arguments about how Carr looks better on the bootleg than in the pocket....I won't be upset at that. I just hate it when I'm discussing the team and you guys are discussing me instead of my arguments. It happens every year like this...I just get frustrated by it. That's all.

 

[Brandon420tx]

Not directing anything at you Bud. I couldn't...don't know you.
I've received a whole slew of neg. rep hits because I am not "Lock Stock and Barrel" on the Pro-Texans bandwagon.

Got two just last night for saying, "MW didn't have a good game and I hope he gets better soon!"

I'm not being hostile to you. I was just trying to prove its possible to be critical our QBs without being labeled as a hater or homer.


According to some peoples philosophy, the QB who played the best for us yesterday should be our starter, then in that case, I'm buying a Quinton Porter jersey

 

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Hold up. This was not David Carr's first preseason game - it was his 18th. And it was close to his 80th NFL game. Comparing him to rookies isn't really fair to the rookies.

Judging him on his first preseason game in a new offensive scheme...

better?

What you are stating is true, but that wasn't what I was getting at. It is THE first preseason game of this year.