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[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
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You can whine about Carr but he will start for us. The reasons are very valid that Surtain and Law were not there against Fels. Anyways.....

Kubes has faith in Carr, I'll support Carr till Kubes benches him.


Cant believe some fans wants Rosenfels over a Kubiak Molded Carr. No even patience showed here. Moment Carr made a bad ass people are on him.

I welcome all opinions!
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why don't you want a kubiak molded rosenfels?
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Kubes will decide all this. He is not a fool like Capers.
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so why is it wrong for us to have a horse in the race??? i think rosenfels is the better player, why WOULDNT i be campaigning for him over carr?
 
swtbound07 said:
For all of the people who have been slamming me when I said we should start rosenfels over carr, now do you at least admit it should merit consideration?? One Qb looked poised, made good reads and throws, and ran the offense crisply, and the other looked nervous, flustered, made bad throws, locked onto his primary target, and didnt run the offense well. Rosenfels should at LEAST be starting a preseason game, if not hop Carr on the depth chart.
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No.

There are reasons why sage is a career back-up.

Carr played hard, ran the offense well, did not lock onto any receiver, and was able to stretch the field using his feet.

Are we watching the same game?
 
swtbound07 said:
sir he played ONE quarter...if thats all it takes to build his confidence, he's had several sack-free quarters.
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SWT you said it your self he one played one quarter. Your going to base your your argument on pulling carr for sage base on one quarter of play by carr? I know I know he's played like this for four year. Maybe so under a DEF. minded moron that treated him like a pampered premadona. Now we have Coach Kubs that is a Ex-NFL QB, EXQB Coach, EX Off. Cord. and now a NFL HEAD COACH. This man has the tools to TEACH Carr how to play the QB position. Sorry man you need to Jump off the Carr hater bandwagon for just a second and think about what your saying. If Sage was all that would the fins have traded him knowing their starter has ???, to replace him with Harrington? All I'm saying is Kubs now has GAME film of Carr in his Off. the Coach can now take Carr behind the Wood Shead and do what needs to be done. Carr will have a better game next week I have faith in Kubs. If I'm wrong in my rant next week I'll eat my plate of Crow with no argument.
 
swtbound07 said:
I watched the game.
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Did you happen to see your boy, Vince, get hurt in his game? Running he does, will get you that.

We made the right choice passing him up.

Carr is the starter here, deal with it.
 
TEXANRED said:
Carr played hard, ran the offense well, did not lock onto any receiver, and was able to stretch the field using his feet.
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I saw one play where Carr did lock on to a WR and the ball got broken up by the safety down the middle. Overall, I think Carr had an average game. Certainly nothing to pile on him about. If Carr can't get it done during the regular season then I'm all for benching him.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I saw one play where Carr did lock on to a WR and the ball got broken up by the safety down the middle. Overall, I think Carr had an average game. Certainly nothing to pile on him about. If Carr can't get it done during the regular season then I'm all for benching him.
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As am I... but we have a long way to go, yet... and from my vantage point, he didn't look bad. Interesting to hear the fans in my section talking about this... most didn't share the sentiment that we should have taken Vince. In fact, most of them were firmly in DC's corner.
 
KKHouston said:
As am I... but we have a long way to go, yet... and from my vantage point, he didn't look bad. Interesting to hear the fans in my section talking about this... most didn't share the sentiment that we should have taken Vince. In fact, most of them were firmly in DC's corner.
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Good to hear about real TEAM fans for a change.
 
pskinny said:
Wow, a little sour over VY are we still?
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Anyone watching VY last night should eat their crow. They will lie in waiting for when VY actually completes five passes in an NFL game to get on that dead horse again!
 
swtbound07 said:
Again i say...somebody sit here and tell me Sage had a worse game then Carr.
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How many times does it have to be said that Sage played against inferior talent? I do agree that Sage looked better than Carr. BUT, I do have the ability to recognize they were not playing against the same caliber of talent.

I do not think Kubiak is a coach who will play someone who is not deserving, no matter the salary. If he thinks Sage is a better fit, he will be starting by regulars season game 1.
 
I'm not sure any solid conclusions can be drawn from last night's game (in regards to QB personal performances)

Carr 3-5 against the 1st team D .... 1 bad pass when Surtain jumped the route ..... 1 nice post pass to AJ on which the safety made a great save .... 3 other safe routes ....

Rosenfels 10 - 18 against the 2nd team D ..... looked good, poised, understands the offense

Porter 4-4 against the dregs ..... dunno what you can say about that
 
Revolution said:
How many times does it have to be said that Sage played against inferior talent? I do agree that Sage looked better than Carr. BUT, I do have the ability to recognize they were not playing against the same caliber of talent.

I do not think Kubiak is a coach who will play someone who is not deserving, no matter the salary. If he thinks Sage is a better fit, he will be starting by regulars season game 1.
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Sage did look good, but he was playing, for purposes, scrubs. I still am amazed at all the armchair coaches here and the assessment of talent.

If you're a true fan, do you really care about "stats"? I don't. I care about winning. At the end of the game, it's all that matters. Win ugly, just win.
 
swtpotstirrer said:
Now do i seem ridiculous?????
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Don't you mean rEdiculous? I believe this is at least your second offense of being diculous.

Short answer--kind of, but definitely consistent.
 
Okay it's completely obvious that Sage played against the lesser talents of a already shallow depth'd KC Defense...

Who do you think it's harder to throw against Ty Law or Bennie Sap?? or wait how about Patrick Surtain or Jerald Brown?? Veterans Sammy Knight and Greg Wesley or 2 rookies Pollard and Page?
 
This is what I saw last night. A poised Carr go out there and take control of his team and ran the first offense very effectively. It may have been pre-season but he went out there and played to win. He also did something that I don't recall seeing him do the previous four years. Throw on the run. Not only did he throw it but it was a rope dead on target. If Smith was able to get more than a yard at a time the first drive would have been a score as well.

However its just pre-season, but man does it feel good to win.:redtowel:
 
I am not even going to get into this, MOST REDICULESS THREAD I have ever seen.

You want him to fail so bad you can taste it. This is grade school Jr.High stuff you pull and I just like to watch you do it,like you acctually think people agree with you, it is funny.

I guess you have another 3 weeks to CONVINCE us all that Sage should be playing.

AND just to help you out on the football side, Sage missed about 4 or 5 guys that were WIDE OPEN, missed Bennie maybe twice down the middle(deep down the middle)

Sage did not out play Carr, :tease: "Well here are the stats":tease: Well let me put this very simple so you can understand it okay......................

Ty Law and Patrick Surtain are good Pro bowlers, OKAY.

The Chiefs back ups are just that, backups, that means that they are bad, follow me so far.

Okay so 1st team Chiefs D is better then the 2 3 and 4 team D of the Chiefs, it is a fact and that is who your boy played against yesterday.

Was that easy enough? Well have fun for a few more weeks, bash away but your crocked words are laughable over here.
 
I was happy with Carr's performance, He looked like he was in comand to me. Just one bad pass, and AJ was close to breaking the big one. He did appear to lock on to one receiver. Over all it was a positive start. Sage looked pretty good too, I was suprised by him, he is going to be a solid BACK-UP.

That's why we have Kubiak, to decide pesky little these things for us...oh and to run the team.

All this constant whining is getting old, so is the personal vendetta.
 
It the first preseason game a lot of mistakes were made on all side of football, and the Texans still win the game. Think about this we have more touch down in this 1 preseason game than the last 4 preseasons. Let hope the Texans make progress as the preseason goes on.
Go Texans!!!
 
swtbound07 said:
sir he played ONE quarter...if thats all it takes to build his confidence, he's had several sack-free quarters.
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Lets be logical about this. Porter was 4 for 4 and no ints. Ball never hit the ground. Wow... :lightbulb:

I say bench both Carr and Sage.. :rolleyes:

This picking a starting QB is easy, I want Kubes job.

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Main Entry: ri·dic·u·lous
Pronunciation: r&-'di-ky&-l&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin ridiculosus (from ridiculum jest, from neuter of ridiculus) or ridiculus, literally, laughable, from ridEre to laugh
Date: 1550
: arousing or deserving ridicule : ABSURD, PREPOSTEROUS

BTW Upon furthur review the answer to your original question is yes. Definitely a yes.
 
swtbound07 said:
excuses, party of one, excuses.......
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Uh not it's not.

And Carr still looked very impressive.

The thing I'm most impressed with is the two Texans running backs..Wali Lundy and Chris Taylor. Kubiack had a strong knack for drafting running backs late in the draft and undr his offensive scheme making them 1,000+ yard backs (Portis, Davis, etc.)
 
We've seen Carr get outplayed by opposing QB's for 4 years. This is the first year that we'll be able to see it from a QB on our own roster. Davie Franchise will be benched this year and might not get his job back. Rosenfels looks to be a much better player at this point.
 
Dont forget Derrick Johnson..an eventual pro bowler..
then against Ty Law and Patrick Surtain..im amazed David Carr didnt get picked off...just throwing the ball and completing it, is great but against guys like that on the other side of the ball, shows that he is developing as a player..and finally as a.....QUARTERBACK!!!
 
DominickDavisFan76 said:
Dont forget Derrick Johnson..an eventual pro bowler..
then against Ty Law and Patrick Surtain..im amazed David Carr didnt get picked off...just throwing the ball and completing it, is great but against guys like that on the other side of the ball, shows that he is developing as a player..and finally as a.....QUARTERBACK!!!
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Because he didn't get picked in 2 series he's developing? Please.... Rosenfels will be the starter for this team before the season is over.
 
the wonger need food said:
Because he didn't get picked in 2 series he's developing? Please.... Rosenfels will be the starter for this team before the season is over.
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Barring injury, you're wrong. :crutch:
 
the wonger need food said:
Because he didn't get picked in 2 series he's developing? Please.... Rosenfels will be the starter for this team before the season is over.
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get picked? one time he should have been picked.. if the 2nd one would have picked, I would have checked the guys hands for stickem ;heck not even that ;I would have checked to see if the guy playing was Peter Parker and he "webbed the ball" ..no way that LB would have caught it..
 
Are some people saying Sage should be the starter,? A career
49% pass completion over Carr with a career completion average
of over 60%, get real. Thank the heavens that Kubiak is the coach
and not those DC haters!!!!!!
 
What I don't get is how everybody is jumping on Sage's bandwagon when the guy in fact didn't do as good a job as Carr. Carr had one bad throw, check that horrible throw, but the rest of the time he played beyond expectations. That tipped pass everyone's talking about went through A.J.s fingers, he should have come down with it. I was sitting right there He should have had it. As far as Sage goes I can't beleive how on his jock some people are. He did good, but to ignore all the low passes and act like he's the new saviour is ridicolous, another thing was Sage didn't sell the play-action bootleg as well. Add to that that he wasn't playing the starters and I think we have a really solid back-up, but in no way is Sage ready right now to even think about taking the starting job. He completed most of his passes because our receivers were willing to get the ball. Porter also did a good job against lesser competition then Sage, does that mean he should be the starter. Get real!
 
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swtbound07 said:
Again i say...somebody sit here and tell me Sage had a worse game then Carr.
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its not that im a david carr homer becuase im far from it but if they would let sage start that would still be admiting we were wrong in drafting Carr Well i mean casserly was wrong and we cant do that to david carr he is the one remaining C's of the tree c's Casserly gone Capers gone Carr still here but may be there's a pattern. i can alredy smell all the negative rating im going to get from this from the david carr homers. david carr is god may be this will help a little
 
David actually got to see what a pocket was like. He isn't used to it and looked a bit skeered a time or two, one bitten, twice shy....

Rosenfels looked great out there, very poised and patient. IF he stays this way, I will understand why Kubes took him. BUT, one game doesn't tell me much.

Its preseason folks, game ONE. This isn't the crystal ball to the season, lets get a couple games under our belt before kicking players to the curb....


Kumbaya, give Kubes a chance.....
 
swtbound07 said:
read the gameday thread...he should have been picked off at LEAST twice...Carr doesn't deserve squat.
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Uh, the second pass was on the money and it got tipped by the defender. If the ball isn't tipped by a great last-second defensive maneuver, AJ probably goes to the end zone on that catch...the ball was thrown hard, AJ was running hard, and the slightest fingertip on that ball disrupted the route enough to cause Aj to not be able to catch it. Get your facts str8, but that's right...I forgot...your entire agenda for watching Texans football is to rag Carr and pump the other guy so you can be the brilliant mind around here that you wish to be and that you want us to all admit to.

You really are buying into your own hype. We can see that you need massive validation from us, the majority of people who are just happy for a win and don't care about who did it, and that's troubling to me.

Man, the train just never stops for you does it? You lead off with smack talk when we WON THE FRIGGIN GAME. Winning and limited innjuries was more important to me than WHO did what. The team as a whole looked like a true NFL franchise for a change.

Yeah, Sage looked OK. Congratulations. Now go down to the store and see what that buys you. It buys you this: Carr is the starter.
 
Hulk75 said:
I am not even going to get into this, MOST REDICULESS THREAD I have ever seen.

You want him to fail so bad you can taste it. This is grade school Jr.High stuff you pull and I just like to watch you do it,like you acctually think people agree with you, it is funny.

I guess you have another 3 weeks to CONVINCE us all that Sage should be playing.

AND just to help you out on the football side, Sage missed about 4 or 5 guys that were WIDE OPEN, missed Bennie maybe twice down the middle(deep down the middle)

Sage did not out play Carr, :tease: "Well here are the stats":tease: Well let me put this very simple so you can understand it okay......................

Ty Law and Patrick Surtain are good Pro bowlers, OKAY.

The Chiefs back ups are just that, backups, that means that they are bad, follow me so far.

Okay so 1st team Chiefs D is better then the 2 3 and 4 team D of the Chiefs, it is a fact and that is who your boy played against yesterday.

Was that easy enough? Well have fun for a few more weeks, bash away but your crocked words are laughable over here.
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The TD Sage ran in...he had an open receiver streaking across the middle (I think it was Daniels) and he could have zipped it to him. So, regardless of Sage making a good play on his own..he could have thrown it, but he didn't.

I'm not ragging Sage...but swt making him out to be a superstar is pretty laughable. He had an open man and he never even saw him. The protection was there...nobody was in Sage's face...he could have made a quick glance and he would have seen a wide open receiver.

Just a thought on this topic since swt is so bound and determined to make Sage into Tom Brady II.

Sage played good. Carr played good. And we won a game, which is what MOST people are happy about.
 
And by the way, I am imposing on myself a 2-reply system in regards to threads about bashing a player on our team (which is usually Carr).

I'll reply twice and then that's it. Woke up this morning and realized how much time I had wasted the past few weeks with trying to counter this garbage.

I know this is technically the third post, but I wanted to let you know that I am choosing to move on in life and not dwell on troll bait.
 
If Carr and Sage have similar performances in the next couple of preseason games the controversy will really start.

Sage is solid, but Carr just signed for a lot of money...
 
OK, now to get a more reasoned :twocents: in here somewhere...

I watched it live, then went home and played DVR games for two hrs. looking at every snap of the 1st quarter. Several things stood out...

Did Carr look perfect, no...

His one "Bad" throw was NOT a poor choice or anything resembling one, nor did it appear a case of "lock-on". Carr appeared to be throwing at a spot for AJ to curl on, but AJ kept running his crossing route. Call it mixed signals, or confusion if you want, but the pass went where David was aiming...period.

No happy feet, every time David left the pocket (less than it appeared to me live) it was on a DESIGNED rollout. David has been coached by Kubes in practice to take what the defense is giving him and to run for yardage if he can. It'd be awfully short-sighted to criticize him for doing as told.

Sage...

Rosenfels looked very comfortable in the Kubiak "system". Playing against the guys further down the Chiefs razor-thin defensive depth chart certainly didn't hurt.

He wasn't flawless, and cost us at least TWO 1st downs due to poor decision-making and "locking-on" to a certain receiver. I focused on Joppru when we finally put him in...Sage failed to throw deep middle to Bennie on two consecutive plays where he was ALL ALONE, instead opting for short dump-offs that didn't pan out. Let us not forget a few passes at the shoelaces as well.

In conclusion - They were just baby steps, but they were in the right direction. The 'reality' is that Carr was a little nervous perhaps, but looked good in the new system, but had little time to get all the kinks worked out. Sage looked better than advertised and made me comfortable with him as a #2. Sage looks very good on short 'touch' passes, but don't expect him to rifle one in w/ Carr's velocity.

To answer the thread title - Yes, You DO seem ridiculous. :tease:
 
Preseason is when we set the roster. If everyone here agrees that Sage performed well against the second team, then if your arguement is going to be it was only the 2nd team, why not let him start and run the first team reps next week? If he sucks it up against the first team like carr did, then i'll shut up and go away.
 
I don't think it's ridiculous to make the assumption that Rosenfels might be a better starter, I mean it's not like Carr is a pro bowler or anything....if David works fine with Kubiaks system then I say keep him as a starter, but if he starts to struggle I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Rosenfel getting some time.
 
The Dream said:
I don't think it's ridiculous to make the assumption that Rosenfels might be a better starter, I mean it's not like Carr is a pro bowler or anything....if David works fine with Kubiaks system then I say keep him as a starter, but if he starts to struggle I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Rosenfel getting some time.
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That's a fair statement.
 
swtbound07 said:
Preseason is when we set the roster. If everyone here agrees that Sage performed well against the second team, then if your arguement is going to be it was only the 2nd team, why not let him start and run the first team reps next week? If he sucks it up against the first team like carr did, then i'll shut up and go away.
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Sage when did you join the MB. You are Sage right?
 
ok, once again, I could only read about half of the mindless banter *AKA Carr thread* You guys want to nit-pick on the the QBs. Fine lets play!

Lets start off with everyones favorate (Hint of sarcasm) Carr

1 bumbled snap on 4th and inches, fell forward and was saved my flanagan and Weary moving the defense backwards for the first down.
1 pass tipped, would have been a touchdown
1 pass nearly picked off. Really bad aim, if Carr had thrown in at the spot AJ was going instead of at AJs back shoulder, that would have been 8+ yards. Horrible ball placement on that play by Carr

Everyones new hero (Another hint of sarcasm) Sage Rosenfels.
Had a spectacular 2nd Quarter.
3rd Quarter, let the nit-picking begin.
Threw to Shifinos feet, was bailed out by a faceplant catch.
Overthrow ... twice? Well one was a nice long ball though

They both need some work, alot of improvement on both QB's.

Porter... looked GREAT he should be our starter (Huge amount of sarcasm)
Seriously though, for 3rd string play, our team looked way better then the Cheifs. Porters passes have some zip and accuracy *Maybe more accuracy then DC or Sage*

Ok, throw your stones now.
 
swtbound07 said:
Again i say...somebody sit here and tell me Sage had a worse game then Carr.
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The phrasing of that sentence speaks volumes about the color of your glasses. No one said either of them was bad (unless you are). if neither of them is bad then no one is 'worse'. they both did very well, i thought. i was there and i liked what i saw (except the near pick- butAll qb's throw interceptions sometimes.) David will get more comfortable and i expect him to deliver a great season. I liked him using his feet to make something out of the bootlegs. Sage looked great and i like that he is there to pressure carr but i dont think He is even close to replacing carr (unless Carr gets clobbered on a daring run).

Kubiak is somewhat of a QB expert and he choose Carr given the option. I do like that Sage is good in case Carr does flop, though. That said-He wont flop.
In one quarter, against probowl corners-he scored a touchdown and won the first down battle. In the face of an ineffective RB early in that quarter, carr ran the ball himself.

He didn't lock onto his recievers like you said either. He had time to throw and went through his progressions most of the time. he was hurried some and made a few poor decisions but all in all, i was pleased and i see him smoking the NFL this year. I'll bet He has more rushing yards than VY this year, and is in the top 12 in the league in passing yards. you better mark this so you can rub my nose in it if i am wrong.

i like seeing daniels catch so many balls. Benne caught one, too.

threw to moulds a few times- nice.
 
Coulda, woulda shoulda didn't matter as far as those 2 "almost" INTs. Guess what, there were no INTs on David Carr's part. Though, I do agree Rosenfels was a little more impressive. But Carr looked much better yesterday than we've seen in the past. Great job. Carr and Rosenfels.
 
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