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Now do i seem ridiculous?????

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BradK10 said:
Thank you for reinforcing my point. He's not even glorifying a Training Camp Hero as much as he's just hatin' on DC.

Hell even some Dolphins fan said Rosenfels does this every year, lights it up in training camp.
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Look around the NFL; the backup QBs seem to always have great preseasons. Maybe it's the lack of depth in the Defensive backfield or teams have so many guys fighting for roster spots that they don't play the 1st 2 strings much at all.
 
swtbound07 said:
To be fair to me, I was calling for Carr to be benched BEFORE the first preseason game, so you cant really call it a knee-jerk now can you?
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Fairness is a 2-way street, don't you think? Here's what I remember you (and a lot of other doubting Thomases) said about Sage at the time he signed with the Texans.
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and lets be fair...again i say, we are now only one bad sack away from the sage rosenfels era. God have mercy on us.
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You're asking for fairness, but you want to judge the Kubiak-trained David Carr on two preseason possessions (one of which the team scored on)? Is that fair?
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned but one of the night crew guys on 610 sports,thinks that Rosenfels has outplayed Carr during all of training camp .
 
Lucky said:
You're asking for fairness, but you want to judge the Kubiak-trained David Carr on two preseason possessions (one of which the team scored on)? Is that fair?
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It is if you have an agenda with a pre determined outcome. It's like an author writing the end of a whodonuit book and revealing the identity of the killer, and then writing the first section to ensure he is framed. No matter what Carr, short of perfection, had done SAturday, he had already decided to get on here and rag him imo.
 
Porky said:
It is if you have an agenda with a pre determined outcome. It's like an author writing the end of a whodonuit book and revealing the identity of the killer, and then writing the first section to ensure he is framed. No matter what Carr, short of perfection, had done SAturday, he had already decided to get on here and rag him imo.
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yup. :challenge
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned but one of the night crew guys on 610 sports,thinks that Rosenfels has outplayed Carr during all of training camp .
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I would think if Sage has truly performed better than Carr Sage would be starting. IMO Kubiak is not going to let a guy start or play based on salary or loyalty or whatever reason like the old regime. I think Kubiak has shown that with the release of Wade and with Greenwood and TJ playing with the second team as of now, three guys who have/had pretty big contracts and were starters last season except for TJ.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
Just a small observation on my part...

I know that SWT is the one that started this thread, but...

Do you guys realize that he's only had four total posts since PAGE THREE?

I've noticed alot of you guys saying stuff like, "Man is this thread still alive?" "Why doesn't it just go ahead and die?" "End of discussion."

But I find it very curious that it isn't SWT that is keeping this thing alive.
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That's why he's the pot stirrer. He starts a rediculous post and lets everyone go at it.:hides:
 
Porky said:
It is if you have an agenda with a pre determined outcome. It's like an author writing the end of a whodonuit book and revealing the identity of the killer, and then writing the first section to ensure he is framed. No matter what Carr, short of perfection, had done SAturday, he had already decided to get on here and rag him imo.
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I'm not going to lie..... and say swtbound hasn't already made up his mind. Heck, he's already told us that he has already made up his mind.

But Carr throwing into coverage, and fumbling the ball on 4th & 1 isn't helpiing Carr.
 
texan279 said:
I would think if Sage has truly performed better than Carr Sage would be starting.
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So......... are you saying Sage didn't play better than Carr did?? That Sage played better because of the competition level?? Or that Sage stunk it up against the second team??
 
thunderkyss said:
So......... are you saying Sage didn't play better than Carr did?? That Sage played better because of the competition level?? Or that Sage stunk it up against the second team??
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I think he's saying Sage didn't play any better than Carr. I rewatched the tape last night and I have no idea where posters are getting the idea that Sage dramatically outplayed Carr. He made his share of mistakes/bad throws against a laughable KC defense. Given (a) the limited body of work for both quarterbacks and (b) the context in which they played, it's a pretty far stretch to claim that Sage was definitively better and/or should start.

But, as is the case with any thread involving Carr, we might as well just acknowledge that this probably won't die until Saturday's game.
 
I can't believe you people throwing Carr under the bus like that and already calling on Rosenfelds to start. It's only been one preseason game for goodness sake! Geez, give Carr a chance.
 
thunderkyss said:
So......... are you saying Sage didn't play better than Carr did?? That Sage played better because of the competition level?? Or that Sage stunk it up against the second team??
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I was quoting the post that stated someone on 610 stated that Sage has been out performing Carr during all of training camp, I said nothing about their play during the game. But since you ask, I do not think it is fair to either Carr or Sage to try and compare their performace based on the 5 passes Carr attempted against KC's 1st team defense against the time Sage played against KC's 2nd and 3rd team defensive guys.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I can't believe you people throwing Carr under the bus like that and already calling on Rosenfelds to start. It's only been one preseason game for goodness sake! Geez, give Carr a chance.
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We need a role call...........

far as I know, swt is the only one throwing Carr under a bus.
 
jerek said:
I think he's saying Sage didn't play any better than Carr. I rewatched the tape last night and I have no idea where posters are getting the idea that Sage dramatically outplayed Carr. He made his share of mistakes/bad throws against a laughable KC defense. Given (a) the limited body of work for both quarterbacks and (b) the context in which they played, it's a pretty far stretch to claim that Sage was definitively better and/or should start.

But, as is the case with any thread involving Carr, we might as well just acknowledge that this probably won't die until Saturday's game.
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I think the reason people are saying sage played better than Carr is because of his presence and the efficiency in which he ran the offense...Not neccessarily his stats...I will admit that Sage "looked" better, but keeping in mind all of the different variables, Im not ready to hand him the starting spot just yet....:ok:
 
texan279 said:
I was quoting the post that stated someone on 610 stated that Sage has been out performing Carr during all of training camp, I said nothing about their play during the game. But since you ask, I do not think it is fair to either Carr or Sage to try and compare their performace based on the 5 passes Carr attempted against KC's 1st team defense against the time Sage played against KC's 2nd and 3rd team defensive guys.
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thanks for clearing that up...... I agree with you.

Sage looked better, but he was playing chumps.
 
jerek said:
I think he's saying Sage didn't play any better than Carr. I rewatched the tape last night and I have no idea where posters are getting the idea that Sage dramatically outplayed Carr. He made his share of mistakes/bad throws against a laughable KC defense. Given (a) the limited body of work for both quarterbacks and (b) the context in which they played, it's a pretty far stretch to claim that Sage was definitively better and/or should start.

But, as is the case with any thread involving Carr, we might as well just acknowledge that this probably won't die until Saturday's game.
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This will not die until after we are all dead and gone lol. :deadhorse
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think the reason people are saying sage played better than Carr is because of his presence and the efficiency in which he ran the offense...Not neccessarily his stats...I will admit that Sage "looked" better, but keeping in mind all of the different variables, Im not ready to hand him the starting spot just yet....:ok:
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I didn't think he had any better presence -- he threw some real lemons -- but let's not start the "it" argument again. Carr ran the offense with precisely that same efficiency; don't see how anyone can differentiate based on that. But whichever; I don't think anyone will "win" this argument.
 
thunderkyss said:
thanks for clearing that up...... I agree with you.

Sage looked better, but he was playing chumps.
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Sage looked good, but he made mistakes as well, I cannot honestly say he played better since Carr only threw five passes though.
 
After watching the game, I was impressed with Carr's work. I was hoping the Oline would be a little better, but can't complain as they didn't give up any sacks. I'm surprised no one compared running backs that each QB was using. Lundy looked like a beast out there, while Smith looked terrible. Obviously it was only two series, but Smith basically stopped the first series by himself on two terrible runs that led to a punt. When Lundy was out there, the defense had to account for him. They had to be honest on the play action passes. A good running back helps out a QB tremendously, so lets wait until this week when another tailback steps up against the first team defense.
 
Guys face it, if we end up with a guy named "Rosenfels, Rosenfelds, Rosen whatever" starting at QB then we are in a LOT of trouble and I will be spending another season eating tickets.
 
jerek said:
I didn't think he had any better presence -- he threw some real lemons -- but let's not start the "it" argument again. Carr ran the offense with precisely that same efficiency; don't see how anyone can differentiate based on that. But whichever; I don't think anyone will "win" this argument.
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Honestly at this point, there really should not be an argument based on one preseason game where Carr threw 5 passes and Sage played against scrubs. SWT just started this thread to "stir the pot" which I think is his main reason for coming around since he loves to tell everyone how he likes to "stir the pot" and seems to love negative attention. He has posted all of what, 3 or 4 times in this 16 page thread? And the "it", so tired of hearing about "it" lol.
 
I forgot to mention, I watched the Cinci game the other night and they were talking about the injured Carson Palmer. He said he was fine physically, but mentally he couldn't stop watching his linemen for fear that one of them might roll on his knee or let a rusher passed that would hit his knee. I think that Carr may have a few of the same jitters with his current OL, considering how much he has been hit. Once he realizes he doesn't have to worry about getting hit as much, he will get even better.
 
So who really gives a rats a*s. It is only a preseason game. I'm gonna stir your pot big time when the season starts laddie!!! If you are still around, that is?
 
NoBullTexan said:
So who really gives a rats a*s. It is only a preseason game. I'm gonna stir your pot big time when the season starts laddie!!! If you are still around, that is?
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i've been here for years...where would i go?
 
I knew we should have drafted Vince Young! I thought I would have had to have waited a couple of seasons but I am throwing out the "I told you so" after just one preseason game.

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I think we should take this opportunity to make it clear who the Carr haters are because when Carr is in the Pro Bowl this year we will need to know how much crow to cook.
 
jdog said:
I think we should take this opportunity to make it clear who the Carr haters are because when Carr is in the Pro Bowl this year we will need to know how much crow to cook.
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I'm not a Carr hater but I am also not a blind homer. I think Pro Bowl is a bit of a stretch don't you?
 
jdog said:
I think we should take this opportunity to make it clear who the Carr haters are because when Carr is in the Pro Bowl this year we will need to know how much crow to cook.
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...somebody already started a list for both sides (lovers and haters) but the bandwidth is still full of the :homer: 's from last year who never came forward to 'eat-up'
 
Hookem Horns said:
I'm not a Carr hater but I am also not a blind homer. I think Pro Bowl is a bit of a stretch don't you?
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So mentioning your standard "It's not a MUST WIN, it's a MUST PLAY WELL" comment almost e-v-e-r-y time you reply to something about Carr does not constitute that you think he's awful?

When did you cross back into the line of people who think he can still be salvaged?
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
So mentioning your standard "It's not a MUST WIN, it's a MUST PLAY WELL" comment almost e-v-e-r-y time you reply to something about Carr does not constitute that you think he's awful?

When did you cross back into the line of people who think he can still be salvaged?
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when it became the popular thing to think....
 
Carr is in a no win situation with some people..

Carr can have bad stats and the team wins ... and they will gripe about Carr

Carr can have good stats and the team loses.yet gripping continues because he didn't get the "W"


life of a Qb on a team that struggles ..thats all
 
Wolf said:
Carr is in a now win situation with some people..

Carr can have bad stats and the team wins ... and they will gripe about Carr

Carr can have good stats and the team loses.yet gripping continues because he didn't get the "W"


life of a Qb on a team that struggles ..thats all
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i fall under the category that wants W's...screw the stats.
 
Wolf said:
Carr is in a now win situation with some people..

Carr can have bad stats and the team wins ... and they will gripe about Carr

Carr can have good stats and the team loses.yet gripping continues because he didn't get the "W"


life of a Qb on a team that struggles ..thats all
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Great post, I personally will give him one season, maybe a season and a half before I am ready to throw him under the bus, I am not going to judge after 5 passes in one preseason game.
 
texan279 said:
Great post, I personally will give him one season, maybe a season and a half before I am ready to throw him under the bus, I am not going to judge after 5 passes in one preseason game.
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I expect 2004 stats or better this season.. he has more talent around him than any time else.. no reason he can't do the 2004 stats.. even learning a new system..

just depends on how "pocket shy" he is and how Kubiak resets his mind
 
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