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Not good enough!!

TexansFanatic said:
I personally don't have any doubt that it stems from Kubiak's unwillingness to admit that he and the Texans brain trust failed when they picked him.

Somehow he doesn't realize he's only making the fanbase more aware of the failed pick by continuing to showcase him.
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I think all NFL teams do it. It's human nature, I suppose--You don't want to tell your fans that you screwed up on a 1st rounder. Too much pressure.
 
GP said:
I think all NFL teams do it. It's human nature, I suppose--You don't want to tell your fans that you screwed up on a 1st rounder. Too much pressure.
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They've got McCain, playing ahead of Harris.

Nolan ahead of Keo

Brooks Reed was situational until Mario got hurt...

I know they aren't first rounders, but if Harris can't beat McCain out for playing time, I don't think draft position has as much to do with their decision as you may think.

The alternative is to start Allen... while I agree his play-making ability seems to be a notch above Kjs, but his lack of confidence & physicality imo isn't an even trade. Had he made those Ints in a game he didn't give up a TD... maybe I can see it, but if we're talking a net sum of zero, I'd rather have Kj out there.

Am I wrong, has Kj given up more than 1 TD this year? That TD to Lance Moore in Nawl'ns? He's given up 1 TD & forced 1 fumble.

Allen has given up 2 TDs (Brandon Marshall & Heyward Bay) and 2 Ints... one was eventually turned into a TD, and another sealed the game.... had one of those been a pic6 maybe that would change my mind, but right now, I'm not seeing it.
 
infantrycak said:
Not even saying you are wrong. Just an observation of the MB. If people are impressed with JJ. Watt or Reed they tend to ascribe it to control of the D and the draft being handed to Wade. If they don't like something whether it be CB cushions or KJ's playing time they tend to ascribe it to Kubiak. Bottom line is in very few instances do we know who is making the call.
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Agreed. And that's often frustrating because you want to know who deserves the credit or the blame.

In Kareem's case, it's conceivable that Wade is sensitive to the position he would be putting Kubiak in if he simply benched Kareem early on in his second year. Even if the decision was 100% his, Wade would have to know that by benching Kareem he would essentially be telling the world that the pick (Kubiak's pick) was a blunder.
 
GP said:
I think all NFL teams do it. It's human nature, I suppose--You don't want to tell your fans that you screwed up on a 1st rounder. Too much pressure.
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Right. It's human nature and not a personal flaw suffered only by Kubiak. We've seen this kind of thing a number of times on a number of different teams over the years. A high pick who sucks or is outplayed by someone on the bench plays anyway because the folks who picked him don't want to admit they had a lapse in judgment.
 
TexansFanatic said:
In Kareem's case, it's conceivable that Wade is sensitive to the position he would be putting Kubiak in if he simply benched Kareem early on in his second year. Even if the decision was 100% his, Wade would have to know that by benching Kareem he would essentially be telling the world that the pick (Kubiak's pick) was a blunder.
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What position do they put themselves in by starting McCain over Brandon Harris at nickel?

If they signed another FA CB, do you think they would have had a problem starting him over Kj, I don't. If Allen were truly better, I don't think they would have had a problem starting Allen & bringing Kj in at the nickel, there is no shame in that at all.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Right. It's human nature and not a personal flaw suffered only by Kubiak. We've seen this kind of thing a number of times on a number of different teams over the years. A high pick who sucks or is outplayed by someone on the bench plays anyway because the folks who picked him don't want to admit they had a lapse in judgment.
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When have we seen this? When (I can't remember his name) was obviously better than TJ & Okoye? DelJuan Robinson?

Where is he at now?

TJ managed to stick with the Chargers for 2 years, Okoye is still with the Bears. Where is DelJuan? What did he do after he left?
 
TexansFanatic said:
Harris was a late second round pick who doesn't make nearly the kind of money Kareem makes---the kind of money you would expect to be paying a starter, not a reserve.
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We picked Kareem at 20, it's nothing like top 10 money. It's probably a marginal investment over Harris' pay.

Well, I have no idea how much they make, but winning has got to be the driving factor today, Kubiak is not that dense.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Don't kid yourself. The difference is dramatic. Especially since this year saw the changes in the NFL's collective bargaining agreement.
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Yeah, I went back & edited it.

But still, there is absolutely nothing wrong with putting your 1st round Corner at nickel. That's what they did with Kyle Wilson, DRC, Revis, etc... etc..

I don't think it would be above the Texans to admit they should made a mistake last year by starting Kareem right away. This is a must win season for Kubiak, & unless you think Wade is trying to sabotage him, it doesn't make sense to start Kareem if they think he is not the best CB for the job.
 
HJam72 said:
We didn't kill anybody!

We're a buncha wimps!
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Dude... we were on TV.
You know lots of witnesses...
....hello..?

and I mean the witnesses watching the game on TV. There weren't any in the stands after halftime.
:D
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah, I went back & edited it.

But still, there is absolutely nothing wrong with putting your 1st round Corner at nickel. That's what they did with Kyle Wilson, DRC, Revis, etc... etc..

I don't think it would be above the Texans to admit they should made a mistake last year by starting Kareem right away. This is a must win season for Kubiak, & unless you think Wade is trying to sabotage him, it doesn't make sense to start Kareem if they think he is not the best CB for the job.
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Great point. While I certainly enjoy entertaining a good conspiracy theory, logic has to add up for it to work. I honestly don't see the F.O. or Kubiak's ego playing someone who is not what they consider the best at his position. It undermines their own job security, and that disconnect is where I don't see them starting KJ just because he was a high pick.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great point. While I certainly enjoy entertaining a good conspiracy theory, logic has to add up for it to work. I honestly don't see the F.O. or Kubiak's ego playing someone who is not what they consider the best at his position. It undermines their own job security, and that disconnect is where I don't see them starting KJ just because he was a high pick.
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The point is a valid one. But let's not forget that Kubiak's concern for his job security didn't look overwhelming when he replaced Richard Smith with Frank Bush.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Too many penalties!!
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That's my beef. The penalties. They didn't hurt yesterday but they have cost us points and stopped drives in the past and they're still happening way too often.
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...oh yeah, and the TD they allowed. I mean, the guy was wide open. That coverage miscue should get fixed post haste.

I would ***** about not enough sacks but the Titans have only given up 9 sacks so far this season and we have two of them. I'm not surprised that Munchak would have a pretty good O-line.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great point. While I certainly enjoy entertaining a good conspiracy theory, logic has to add up for it to work. I honestly don't see the F.O. or Kubiak's ego playing someone who is not what they consider the best at his position. It undermines their own job security, and that disconnect is where I don't see them starting KJ just because he was a high pick.
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The right move would have been to sign another corner in the off-season. For whatever reason, we didn't. We could have traded for one..... I don't know why we didn't, but we didn't.

So you're left going with what you've got.

TexansFanatic said:
The point is a valid one. But let's not forget that Kubiak's concern for his job security didn't look overwhelming when he replaced Richard Smith with Frank Bush.
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I think Kubiak did the best he could in that situation. His "circle" just isn't that big, & for all we know he approached several candidates & they lolzd him & told their friends & put it on facebook & all that. Richard Smith & Frank Bush was probably the best he could do.....

Most guys would then get their GM to do their job & get him some good candidates, but our GM came out of Kubiak's circle, so scratch that. McNair realizes he screwed up, probably takes some of that blame... which is the only reason I can think of for Kubiak to still have a job.

So McNair has to get Phillips.

& that is the only reason I believe Kubiak has been here for so long.. because every decision is made.... group think, including McNair.

That's all I can come up with.
 
It was as perfect of a game as one will see. The homework is breaking down the tape to see what good likes at the individual, position and unit level - and then get on to the next opponent.
 
Speedy said:
You're 4-3, only have a half game lead, and 5-7 is still lurking out there somewhere. No more pajama parties and sprinkles on your ice cream you bunch of Nancy's. Get out there and play some real football you whining, sniffling bunch of jackwagons!!!
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Now you cannot use that term without the picture
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This kind of thread I hope to see after every game. We besnocker the opponent and then fairly gently criticise the mistakes.
 
I would say the penalties, and our coaches decision to trot out players like Matt Schaub, and even Kevin Walter back on to the field after we went up 34-7. I know Matt was just handing off and Walter most likely just run blocking but why not give Lienart some reps, our running game was controlling the game and it is usually during these times that offensive players can get freak injuries, plus we just endured a month without our two best players in Andre and Mario and then just witnessed Manning going down, why risk it?
 
TexansFanatic said:
You certainly have solid ground to stand on there considering the play failed.

But I saw a play that would have been successful in gaining a yard (which was all that was required) if the running back had simply taken what was available to him rather than trying to make more out of it than he needed to.
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Amen. Arian did a LOT right on Sunday, but that play wasn't it.
 
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