NO RB situation

[pyrotechnique]

If you came around this board, oh say, ~35 years, I mean, weeks ago, you'd see that there was a fierce opposition against the drafting of Bush.

I was going to write a long post about the football I.Q. of Texans fans...

I no longer need to

 

[Saintz08]

If you came around this board, oh say, ~35 years, I mean, weeks ago, you'd see that there was a fierce opposition against the drafting of Bush.

As for the actual selections, I won't beat around the Reggie Bush any longer. You might notice a bit of sarcasm imbedded in the Williams mention. I have heard both sides of the argument, and I can't disagree that the Texans need a defensive presence in the worst way. But it makes me sick when people say that star running backs like Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers do not historically translate into great success for their football teams. Yeah, that's it. It was the running backs' fault that their teams were terrible. They were actually too good, right? And if everyone is comparing Bush to those guys, don't you think you might want him on your team?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9417431

Lets start with a little paragraph from NFL.com and move on to another .

I also couldn't help but notice that two of Williams' defensive line mates at N.C. State were drafted in the first round as well. A paltry 6-5 record in the ACC was all that the Wolfpack could muster last year?

Anyone have any idea how Williams performed against the better schools ???

The first thought is Williams got man handled against some of the better lines in the NCAA , but feel free to prove me wrong .......

 

[Mr. White]

Anyone have any idea how Williams performed against the better schools ???

The first thought is Williams got man handled against some of the better lines in the NCAA , but feel free to prove me wrong .......

I've heard 'em say on the radio that Bruce Smith had some of the same knocks as Mario coming out of college....taking plays off, etc.

Another article on the Fox Sports website shows that some of the knocks on Reggie White.... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5566384

"Sure, this Reggie White guy had 15 sacks this season, but where was he the rest of his college career? He only had 17 sacks the other three years."
"FOUR of White's sacks this year came against, get this ... The Citadel."

We won't know how they're gonna play until they do it on the field.

BTW, is Reggie signed yet?

 

[thunderkyss]

I was going to write a long post about the football I.Q. of Texans fans...

I no longer need to

There are many sound arguments...... mostly by me....

Having Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Edgerin James didn't take a lot of pressure off Manning, when he played SanDiego or Pittsburgh. Our offensive line couldn't keep that kind of pressure off David, against the worse teams in the league... Arizona & SF.

Unless Reggie is the best pass protector to enter the NFL, I don't believe he would have helped as much as you think he would.

I don't think it will take long for folks to see that it was a sound decision. I doubt Reggie and Benson will come to terms before TC..... so that will work in our favor. Then when the Saints get down to figuring what they are going to do with their Gazillion dollar backfield, more comparisons will arise.

Then when the talking heads get their heads out of their butts, they'll draw the obvious comparisons to Denver, the system, and their history of drafting runnngbacks.

Media doesn't win games, and Reggie Bush doesn't automatically put us in the playoffs..... Marshall Faulk & Ladanian Tomlinson were watching the playoff games just like you were........ on T.V.

If our offense is in the top 10 next season, either scoring, or Yards Per Game, would you say that we made the right choice?? It has nothing to do with Mario, but what Reggie Bush would have done for our offense. Right?? if we avg over 330 yards per game, would that make you happy?? Or would you be one of those....... "we would've avg'd 360 YPG with Reggie"??

In 2005, 330 ypg would have tied us with Washington for 11th place.
We had 253.(30th)

In 2004, 330 ypg would have put us ahead of Carolina with 326.
We had 320(19th)

I don't know what it'll take in 2006 to get into the top 10, but if we do, would you believe Kubiak was right??

Mario, Weaver/Payne, Robair/TJ, Babin/Peak....... we've put Mario in the same situation he was in at NC State. He will poduce. He will play every down..... he does for our D, what Reggie will do for N.O. offense.

Offensively, I think we stack up pretty well with N.O. on paper..... however successful N.O.'s offense will be with Reggie, I think will be a good gage to what might have been here in Houston. so we'll see.

N.O. has a better Defense than we had in 2005, I can't see how that can be denied. When we've got to play Leftwhich, Manning, and McNair/Vince twice every year..... it makes more sense for us to take Mario.

If you would have been happy with the trade down senarios we entertained, I don't see how you canbe upset with the pick. It made sense to trade down, and fix the team....... it makes just as much sense to fix the team if we couldn't get the value we deserved.........

I'll admit, we played the whole poker thing all wrong...... we should have traded down, and grabed Mario/D'brick, and picked up extra first day picks. That didn't happen, but in no way changes the obligation for the FO to do the right thing.

We've got a team that can score 30+ on any given Sunday, you're blind if you can't see that..... we were last against the run........ second to last against the pass, last again(I think) in turnovers......... all that has changed.

If you're a PSL holder, thinking about selling, I think you should hold on two more years.... sell your tickets if you want, someone will appreciate it. But once we start knocking on that play-off door, the value of your PSL is going to sky rocket, and if we can keep that up for years(which a strong defense gaurantees more than a Reggie Bush(SD) or a Vince Young(Atlanta)).

This is the beginning of something special. Alot of the "experts" are going to be crawfish'n come week 8........ I'm calling it now, write it down.

Williams right fit for Texans
Smith
By Michael Smith
ESPN.com
Archive

They went the right way.

It's not about Williams being a better player than Bush. That's debatable. It's about who's better for the Texans. That's been my point all draft week. It's about the more valuable, more impact position -- defensive end. It's about having a potentially explosive offense or a competitive defense. Houston gave up the most points in the league last year. Opposing quarterbacks put up MVP-type numbers against Houston: 65 percent, 24 touchdowns, seven interceptions, a 100.0 efficiency rating. Unless Bush was going to play cornerback, too, he wouldn't have helped the Texans in that department. And thus he wouldn't have helped Houston add a Super Bowl championship to the national title the state's university won this year anytime soon, because defense wins ... well, you know.

The only way we can be penalized or not picking bush, is if we don't have a productive run game..... never mind DD's stats, it's about total production out of the running game.

if N.O. is #1 in russhing yards, and we're #10, I can see some folks being upset.

But if we're 9-7 in 2006, and N.O. is 6-10, I had a hard time agreeing.

there are alot of teams that have won championships without Reggie Bush. A lot, a whole lot....... the University of Texas comes to mind.

I think we'll be OK.

euben Droughns - Beating The System

Luke Sacks
NFLPLAYERS.COM
04/11/2005

Reuben Droughns - Beating The System

Most NFL teams cling to a 1,000-yard running back for dear life. But with two promising youngsters waiting in the wings, the Broncos dealt Reuben Droughns, who posted over 1,200 yards last season, to the Browns in exchange for two defensive players.

Droughns, who started just seven games in his first four NFL seasons, assumed the role of featured back last season and became the latest in a long string of successful Bronco rushers. In 16 games, including 15 starts, he led the team in rushing with 1,240 yards on 275 carries with six touchdowns. He added 32 receptions for 241 yards (7.5 avg.), and two receiving scores.

In 2004 Droughns became the fifth Bronco in the last 10 years to rush for more than 1,000 yards which continued the question of whether it was the quality of the Denver backs or the quality of Mike Shanahan's offensive system that produced such consistent rushing numbers.

I've never understood this. A.J. is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. Moulds....... he's a threat to score, every time he touches the ball. DD, et him inside the 40, and he's a threat to score. Mathis..... if he catches it, watch out, that kid just might score........ how many threats do we really need??

I think it was Michael Smith, on one of the shows yesterday, comparing Leinart & Young...... he said with Leinart, you need playmakers around him to be successful........ Vince, you can get away with a lot less, because he makes things happen.

How many playmakers does Carr need?? and when does it start to get silly??

Peyton Manning. How many people does he need that can score from anywhere, anytime they touch the ball?? He made Reggie Wayne....... people will be all over Reggie's Jock, thinking he'll make their team better, but he won't do much without Manning.

 

[Saintz08]

There are many sound arguments...... mostly by me....

And to follow those :

But Bush was the closest to a sure thing. He was a star from the start of his USC career to the finish. Williams was a star from, oh, half of the 2005 season through the NFL Combine.

"I'm speechless,'' said Williams. "It's hard to explain."

No, it isn't. The Texans gagged. They over-analyzed themselves out of the most breathtaking talent anybody has seen in years ... decades? They confused possibilities with probabilities. They will regret this for losses to come.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2427182

According to a poll conducted by respected NFL writer Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, 21 of 26 league general managers rated Bush as the top choice. That's called a landslide.

 

[Mr. White]

Of course ESPN personalities will criticize the pick. ESPN created the Reggie Bush hype machine.

The writers can bash the pick all they want. I hold Bill Parcells' opinion in a little higher regard.

 

[thunderkyss]

And to follow those :



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2427182

You're arguements don't take away from the Validity of mine..... I am not saying in anyway, that Reggie is not who you think he is..... he may very well be. I'm just saying we will score points without him. We will gain yards without him, and we will win games without him. Bottom line.

I'm glad you guys picked him....... I seem to have underestimated what he would mean to your city....... I'm glad, that you're selling season tickets at a record pace, I'm glad you got people wanting to go home now....

We passed on Reggie Bush, the most prolific running back to grace God's green earth......... we will survive.

 

[tsip]

There are many sound arguments...... mostly by me....

...your posts are just not long enough

 

[gg no re]

According to a poll conducted by respected NFL writer Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, 21 of 26 league general managers rated Bush as the top choice. That's called a landslide.

Do we know which of those 21 votes came from teams who.... were contenders?

And what happened to the other 6 GMs...... it's quite easy to manipulate the sample pool as well!

That's the problem with polls and surveys and such. You can always skew the information to your liking.

Interestingly enough, the pro-Bush columnist in the ESPN article made a nice line that he used incorrectly.

They confused possibilities with probabilities.

How do you make a pro-Bush article and use this statement to denounce the Texans for drafting someone else? Everyone you draft is a possibility, what's the difference!

Probabilities? The probability of Mario succeeding in the AFC South is greater than Reggie succeeding in the NFC South.

Who cares though?

The last time the Saints had a Heisman-calibre RB handed to them by Houston, they really didn't make any significant impact. Not that Bush will be an abyssmal failure, but history tends to repeat itself in ugly ways.

 

[thunderkyss]

...your posts are just not long enough

I can make them longer, but I'm really trying to move on.... draft was ages ago.

 

[Saintz08]

Do we know which of those 21 votes came from teams who.... were contenders?

The last time the Saints had a Heisman-calibre RB handed to them by Houston, they really didn't make any significant impact. Not that Bush will be an abyssmal failure, but history tends to repeat itself in ugly ways.

Here's your address :

You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com.

I eagerly await the list ......

Damn , judging Bush based upon other selection history and saying history tends to repeat itself is like saying I will be cheering for the Los Angeles Texans this weekend ......

 

[gg no re]

There's no history of a Houston team relocating to Los Angeles.

Sorry to burst your hypothetical bubble.

And yes, I will go ahead and email Mr. Wojocieceichowchingski. I'll make it a top priority, and I'll have the results rushed via DHL.

 

[TwinSisters]

I will be cheering for the Los Angeles Texans this weekend ......

I would be wary VERY wary of what I cheered for on the weekends in New Orleans. Houston has a brand new state of the art stadium and sits right at the top of the league in taking in the big bucks...

New Orleans on the other hand has one gigantic port-a-potty built back in 1971-74 that hovers near the bottom of the league. Bush and Brees would double their money in L.A., which in turn means Benson would make out like a bandit selling the franchise... to someone in L.A..

Somebody is going to L.A., you cannot possibly believe the Saints aren't on the short list. Bush is more like blood in the water for potential owners.

 

[MightyTExan]

I know it's kinda depressing, but didn't a lot of people die in that stadium last summer? Playing there is just plain creepy.

 

[HJam72]

It's the House of Death.

edit: I just realized we still have the House of Payne.

 

[Saintz08]

I know it's kinda depressing, but didn't a lot of people die in that stadium last summer? Playing there is just plain creepy.

Creepier then the fact the Superdome was built on an old indian burial ground ??

 

[TwinSisters]

Creepier then the fact the Superdome was built on an old indian burial ground ??

Ya know I was going to say something about that... but didn't the city have a parade and then brought in some shamans to make peace with the spirits or something like that?

I kinda recall something like that happening in 93-94ish... somewhere around that time. At the beginning of the season the whole team was like "this is our year" "Super Bowl here we come" and stuff like that. So the city went out into the woods to find some shamans to help out... the shamans did whatever shamans do and then said something like a sacrifice would have to be made in "hardwork", "blood, sweat, and tears", etc. A bunch of blue collar dogma... and then the Saints ended the season with half their team on IR.
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I am personally happy we got out of the Astrodome. I think the spirit of that construction worker that fell from the rafters was jinxing us. If we are going to win, we need to blow that !^@$^*&@^*@# up!

 

[Texans_Chick]

I will put this in the "as if" file:

SI-King column

One other travel note, not involving me, but it is a travel note of some sort.

When Reggie Bush left New Orleans after his first post-draft visit there, coach Sean Payton shook his hand, wished him well and said, "Next time you come in here, no more chartered planes, hotel suites and limos, OK? It's a Residence Inn and all football, OK?'' Bush said sure, he'd like that.

And, as Reggie said that, his nose grew really long.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Saints are suppossedly trying to move Bennett to the Dolphins.

 

[Saintz08]

Ya know I was going to say something about that... but didn't the city have a parade and then brought in some shamans to make peace with the spirits or something like that?

I kinda recall something like that happening in 93-94ish... somewhere around that time. At the beginning of the season the whole team was like "this is our year" "Super Bowl here we come" and stuff like that. So the city went out into the woods to find some shamans to help out... the shamans did whatever shamans do and then said something like a sacrifice would have to be made in "hardwork", "blood, sweat, and tears", etc. A bunch of blue collar dogma... and then the Saints ended the season with half their team on IR.
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I am personally happy we got out of the Astrodome. I think the spirit of that construction worker that fell from the rafters was jinxing us. If we are going to win, we need to blow that !^@$^*&@^*@# up!

The real story is :

The year was 1971. The Saints were in Tulane Stadium but eager for a new home. And construction workers were ready to build it, as soon as they could excavate the strip of downtown land on which the Superdome would sit. Those early days were not a sight for the squeamish.

When the hydraulic backhoes sunk their forked metal teeth into the earth, up came the bones. Human bones. Years before anybody thought to call in a voodoo priestess, the construction workers called somebody else -- the cops and the coroner.

"We thought maybe we had found somebody who had been killed, and they said, ‘Nah, he's been here for a long time,' " said Jim McClain, a project manager for the construction company that built the Dome. "They weren't too excited about it, and we didn't get too excited about it. From then on, everything was just dug up and moved wherever we moved the dirt to."

Human bones were just the beginning. Next came the caskets. Double deckers. Triple deckers. Wooden and tin caskets that likely housed the bodies of those who died during the cholera epidemic of the 1930s or the yellow fever plague of the 1850s.

It turns out they were digging up the remains of the old Girod Street Cemetery, and some think they dug up more than they realized. Bad vibes, for one.

"You know," said Ava Kay Jones, a well-known voodoo priestess in New Orleans, "it's really not kosher to plop a sports facility on the remains of one's ancestors."

 

[Mr. White]

Wow....that just ain't right. Not at all.
I think I'm gonna tell that one around the campfire.

 

[OzzO]

Ha - yeah. You know, some nights - when the moon is full, you can still see the hook dangling from the turnstile.....