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No QB and I'm not even the least bit upset
- Thread starter Corrosion
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Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I still believe in Keenum.
*Puts on UofH Alumni rose colored glasses on*
On a side note, can we get McCarron and get rid of Yates?
I don't really believe win him anymore at this point, but I wouldn't mind giving him a serious shot at this point over the handful of QB's left in this draft. He has had a year of experience practically and he does have an arm in case people forgot. I don't think he could beat out Fitzpatrick though. I'm okay going with Fitzpatrick at this point over what is left over in this draft. I'd rather focus next season on a QB.
I'm excited that they're focusing on the trenches. It's the proper way to turn a team around. And I love the picks. That tight end is going to be really good player.
I got to admit, I was really wanting to get Garopollo. His quick release and feet had me sold. But I love the guard they took instead. I was hoping like mad that he would fall to 3.1, but of all teams to pick him, it just had to be the f'king Patriots.
When Belichick gets his hands on him, look the F out! Say hello to Tom Brady's replacement.
Regarding this "giving up on Keenum" thing, why of course I've given up on him. Who wouldn't? He was an established veteran who was given time to learn and develop, not some rookie who was never really given a chance. Yeah, get rid of him.
I got to admit, I was really wanting to get Garopollo. His quick release and feet had me sold. But I love the guard they took instead. I was hoping like mad that he would fall to 3.1, but of all teams to pick him, it just had to be the f'king Patriots.
When Belichick gets his hands on him, look the F out! Say hello to Tom Brady's replacement. Regarding this "giving up on Keenum" thing, why of course I've given up on him. Who wouldn't? He was an established veteran who was given time to learn and develop, not some rookie who was never really given a chance. Yeah, get rid of him.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Yep.......and was never given the proper time to rehab before being forced into play.......and never had any chance to recover.........until the season was over. That's why I haven't given up on him until we see how he looks this preseason.
What have you heard about Brennan's rehab/recovery?
Belichick took G-man because he already has a deal in place with O'Brien, but they don't want to announce the deal until after the draft so as to confuse the simpletons.
If that's anywhere near the truth, it wouldn't just suck, it would blow chunks.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Nothing other than he was on the side field during minicamp. His microfracture surgery was on Sept 4. Return to full play would be expected to be around 9 months following the surgery, but easily could not occur for 1 year, if he can make it back. Even if he does make it back, I would expect that he will require long-term limited play time and decreased performance expectations.
I hope they sign a FA.
Tennessee OT Antonio Richardson is still on the board as of pick 202 with the Texans picking at 211. Cant believe he's fallen this far. Many had him as a second or third round pick.
All the CB's I had targeted are gone ...
His medical condition must have been much worse than we think.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He's had a little known problem besides recovery from his 2012 knee surgery..........an ankle problem..........a chronic ankle problem. Ever since he injured the ankle in 2010, he's been dealing with it. Last year, in several games, he pulled up lame........and it was evident that it was not from a knee problem. His poorer performance last year has naturally been blamed on his knee, which I have heard is still an issue in itself. However, I would make book that his ankle problem has been as much contributory to his drop off as his knee.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Then why was he out there? If my $1000 wheel was in danger of being damaged on my car because of a flat tire, I would not run the car on the rim, I would stick that skinny little spare on there and protect my asset regardless of what my car looked like during this time.
I find it hard to be accept that there was not another option that would have been better for the player and the team overall. I think I have made my opinion on Newton clear, and that has not changed. If he is the player I think he is, he will not make the 53 man roster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
So, we're going to be deep into the playoffs?
Whoopie!
What are you complaining about then?
Lord Bills
Destruction
i want to see keenum get a fair shake with obrien.
im not ready to give up on him.
the guy has shown great talent and potential and only started 8 games for a lame duck head coach and a team that went on to go 2-14.
keenum did not get a fair shake last year.
im not ready to give up on him.
the guy has shown great talent and potential and only started 8 games for a lame duck head coach and a team that went on to go 2-14.
keenum did not get a fair shake last year.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
Now that we are past the draft and free agency we can see how our team is stacking up. How well we do this season will depend a great deal on how quickly this team (especially the rookies) are able to learn the system and if they are able to be effective in that system. Duh. I know.
I still think at a minimum this team will win 4 games or so. IMO, this would be a gross underachievement based on the amount of talent on the roster and the experience of our coaching staff. However, I think the ceiling on this team is sneaking into the playoffs. I do not expect them to get into the playoffs, but if the Texans figure it out and play mistake free football, they have a possibility to get into the playoffs. I base this rationale on two things:
1.) Going from a 1st place schedule to a 4th place schedule--low level of competition faced; and,
2.) Getting more out of the players than what we saw under the Kubiak regime.
As for #1, I'm thinking they may do what the Colts did when they rebounded from their 2-14 season. They played worse competition and thus won more games. Of course this is contingent on getting steady, but not exceptional play from the QB position, which is a big question mark. IIRC, Andrew Luck threw almost as many INTs as TDs that year, but still were able to make it to the playoffs.
Regarding #2, as much as I wanted Kubes and his perfect, magnificent hair to succeed, IMO I don't think he used all the weapons available to him and when he did, he didn't put them in a position to succeed. Especially the offense. My case-in-point: James Casey. He could have been using him several different ways, instead he was content to try to use him as Vonta Leech, Jr.
I think that our organization made the smart, safe play regarding our QB situation, and although I'm not thrilled with Fitz, Savage or Keenum/Yates, I believe that one of them, or some combination of them can get us to the first round of the playoffs assuming we catch a break here or there. If we 'fail' this year, we can still trade up and get a QB that we like next year.
I still think at a minimum this team will win 4 games or so. IMO, this would be a gross underachievement based on the amount of talent on the roster and the experience of our coaching staff. However, I think the ceiling on this team is sneaking into the playoffs. I do not expect them to get into the playoffs, but if the Texans figure it out and play mistake free football, they have a possibility to get into the playoffs. I base this rationale on two things:
1.) Going from a 1st place schedule to a 4th place schedule--low level of competition faced; and,
2.) Getting more out of the players than what we saw under the Kubiak regime.
As for #1, I'm thinking they may do what the Colts did when they rebounded from their 2-14 season. They played worse competition and thus won more games. Of course this is contingent on getting steady, but not exceptional play from the QB position, which is a big question mark. IIRC, Andrew Luck threw almost as many INTs as TDs that year, but still were able to make it to the playoffs.
Regarding #2, as much as I wanted Kubes and his perfect, magnificent hair to succeed, IMO I don't think he used all the weapons available to him and when he did, he didn't put them in a position to succeed. Especially the offense. My case-in-point: James Casey. He could have been using him several different ways, instead he was content to try to use him as Vonta Leech, Jr.
I think that our organization made the smart, safe play regarding our QB situation, and although I'm not thrilled with Fitz, Savage or Keenum/Yates, I believe that one of them, or some combination of them can get us to the first round of the playoffs assuming we catch a break here or there. If we 'fail' this year, we can still trade up and get a QB that we like next year.
drs23
Veteran
I've given this some thought as well and came to a different conclusion. That being the rooks coming in are all coming into a new system to them so it would be the same learning curve regardless of which team they signed with.
The vets on the other hand have be entrenched in a system they've played in since they've been here. Granted, some longer than others but still a system they practiced every season,every day. Now they're walking into the same camp with the same experience in this new system just like the rookies. My concern is how quickly THE VETS pick it up. I think that's a legitimate concern.
This is where I'm at with the team in general and the QB position in particular. If the QB's are bad the Texans will probably be picking in the 10-12 range. It shouldn't cost that much to move up to say #4 like Buffalo did this yr. Good thing is, you wont be reaching for a QB. Is Hackenberg (SP?) draft eligible next yr?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
No, not until 2016 (Last year was his freshman year).
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drs23
Veteran
Soooo. We can be mediocre this season and need to suck next season to draft a QB(s) that are the best to ever fondle a pigskin in college but will drop like rocks when draft eligible?
Did I get this right?
Soooo. We can be mediocre this season and need to suck next season to draft a QB(s) that are the best to ever fondle a pigskin in college but will drop like rocks when draft eligible?
Did I get this right?
Haven't you heard?
We are going to suck this year because we have no QB worth a damn.
Might as well not even show up until we draft the next Manning or Brady.
drs23
Veteran
Works for me I reckon. Guess I'll spend my Sundays like I'm doing during the offseason. Taking the grandbabies to the park to fly kites, swing-N-climb on the jungle bars and feed the ducks.
They really like feeding the ducks and the ducks like it too.
A real win/win.
Works for me I reckon. Guess I'll spend my Sundays like I'm doing during the offseason. Taking the grandbabies to the park to fly kites, swing-N-climb on the jungle bars and feed the ducks.
They really like feeding the ducks and the ducks like it too.
A real win/win.
You're always better off feeding the ducks with your grandkids.
I'm glad I've got a DVR. I will definitely watch the games, but my priorities in life do not make a mediocre football team at the top of my list. And while I hate to be a bubble-popper and certainly hope for the best, my expectations in 2014 are mediocre.
Two 2-14 seasons in 8 years will do that to a fan.
drs23
Veteran
You're always better off feeding the ducks with your grandkids.
I'm glad I've got a DVR. I will definitely watch the games, but my priorities in life do not make a mediocre football team at the top of my list. And while I hate to be a bubble-popper and certainly hope for the best, my expectations in 2014 are mediocre.
Two 2-14 seasons in 8 years will do that to a fan.
Yep, can't beat a Sunday afternoon at the park. When time is nigh I'll clear the memory on the DVR all the Texans games hoping for the best, and few select others. They'll be there when I get home and I stay up pretty late anyway so it's not like FF'ding through the commercials is gonna cost me any beauty rest.
Not that I need it anyway.
Yep, can't beat a Sunday afternoon at the park. When time is nigh I'll clear the memory on the DVR all the Texans games hoping for the best, and few select others. They'll be there when I get home and I stay up pretty late anyway so it's not like FF'ding through the commercials is gonna cost me any beauty rest.
Not that I need it anyway.
I agree completely. Especially many autumn days in Texas. The weather is often so awesome that I feel guilty staying inside watching tv.
My 5 yo girl needs her daddy to do quality time more than I need to yell at the tv in frustration over a sporting even that I have no influence.
Besides, my son and I can watch an entire game in about an hour on the DVR. Amazing how little action there is when you take out the commercials, halftime, and general blathering by the talking heads. Of course, always with the caveat that I have complete media blackout until I watch the game.
Lord Bills
Destruction
no improvement on the biggest and most important position on a nfl team?
NO PROBLEM.
smdh....
this is what happens when you suck so long. you dont even care anymore. you find ways to rationalize any idiotic move and the process repeats itself over and over again.
a loser's mentality.
sad stuff.
NO PROBLEM.
smdh....
this is what happens when you suck so long. you dont even care anymore. you find ways to rationalize any idiotic move and the process repeats itself over and over again.
a loser's mentality.
sad stuff.
drs23
Veteran
I agree completely. Especially many autumn days in Texas. The weather is often so awesome that I feel guilty staying inside watching tv.
My 5 yo girl needs her daddy to do quality time more than I need to yell at the tv in frustration over a sporting even that I have no influence.
Besides, my son and I can watch an entire game in about an hour on the DVR. Amazing how little action there is when you take out the commercials, halftime, and general blathering by the talking heads. Of course, always with the caveat that I have complete media blackout until I watch the game.
Roger that. Ixnay on the trailers.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Wouldnt drafting a QB #1 overall because we're supposed to be like repeating the Carr mistake?
Blake
MMQB
Lord Bills turns up dragon ball Z google results. Must be a fan.
Fruit Bat
Blake
MMQB
How is QB the biggest position? I understand most important. But biggest doesnt make any sense.
Did you watch Schaub last year? They improved BIG TIME.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I could see 4 wins in a worst case scenario up to 10 wins in a best case scenario.
In hindsight, I'm glad they didn't reach for a QB and let the board fall to them. Savage has some real upside. Physically, he's what you want. It's his lack of experience and what's going on upstairs....that will tell the tale. He could be the next Tom Brady, or the next Marcia Brady. Time will tell.
As far as Keenum, he's hot garbage. Unless he can somehow learn to read coverages, understand hot reads, etc in a hurry he'll be your local State Farm Agent very soon. He made some good plays until defenses learned he didn't have a clue and then...it was over.
In hindsight, I'm glad they didn't reach for a QB and let the board fall to them. Savage has some real upside. Physically, he's what you want. It's his lack of experience and what's going on upstairs....that will tell the tale. He could be the next Tom Brady, or the next Marcia Brady. Time will tell.
As far as Keenum, he's hot garbage. Unless he can somehow learn to read coverages, understand hot reads, etc in a hurry he'll be your local State Farm Agent very soon. He made some good plays until defenses learned he didn't have a clue and then...it was over.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Sure you can - a Sunday afternoon on the water with a fishing pole.
And a beer!
eriadoc
Texan-American
but we have a great and powerful quarterback guru to teach him the ways of the Force....