wildroot
Veteran
If they crap out year in and year out they"ll be on the outs too. Right now they're the new up-and-comers. We had our shot over the last few years but we under-acheived and blew it.
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No national press?
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If they crap out year in and year out they"ll be on the outs too. Right now they're the new up-and-comers. We had our shot over the last few years but we under-acheived and blew it.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The Texans won't get any respect until they start beating good teams,
while those good teams are competing for playoff berths.
The Texans' only wins against playoff-bound teams have come after
they've clinched and resting starters. It's time for this team to prove
they are contenders by taking playoff spots from good teams.
Beat New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and the Ravens, then people will
begin to trust the Texans. Believe me, the same people who
don't talk much about this team, REALLY WANT TO. This team
just BURNS those who root for it by CRASHING HARD. Ya'll know this
to be true.
I heard Warren Sapp say he's gonna wait a few more weeks before
he's on the band wagon. The next 4 games, the Texans will have
NO WHERE to hide. They'd BETTER not continue the trend of losing
to good teams, smashing bad teams, and competing closely with mediocre
teams. People are SICK of that ****.
while those good teams are competing for playoff berths.
The Texans' only wins against playoff-bound teams have come after
they've clinched and resting starters. It's time for this team to prove
they are contenders by taking playoff spots from good teams.
Beat New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and the Ravens, then people will
begin to trust the Texans. Believe me, the same people who
don't talk much about this team, REALLY WANT TO. This team
just BURNS those who root for it by CRASHING HARD. Ya'll know this
to be true.
I heard Warren Sapp say he's gonna wait a few more weeks before
he's on the band wagon. The next 4 games, the Texans will have
NO WHERE to hide. They'd BETTER not continue the trend of losing
to good teams, smashing bad teams, and competing closely with mediocre
teams. People are SICK of that ****.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Agree 100 percent. The national media actually loves this team. They're just waiting for us to bring something to the table and show what we got.
I've never bought the "the national press hates us" argument. It's not true. I STILL have the ESPN magazine from five years ago when Mario was on the cover and they predicted us in the playoffs, and I also have the one from a year or so ago with the story on Andre Johnson and they predicted the same thing.
It's strange. People outside Houston have more faith in this team than the actual players and coaches it seems.
Those people don't watch them closely enough.
The media favors certain teams, that's a given. If you're not in a big market or have some incredible history then you won't be talked about. It seems that every team that doesn't fit that criteria complains about the lack of coverage.
Personally I don't like it when the Titans get a ton of publicity unless they actually accomplish something. During the 10-0 run a few years back it got downright annoying how much they would talk about the Titans because I wasn't used to it. Some of you may like it when it starts for the Texans (and it will as they keep winning), but it seemed to me to be the same fluff stories over and over, it was redundant.
Personally I don't like it when the Titans get a ton of publicity unless they actually accomplish something. During the 10-0 run a few years back it got downright annoying how much they would talk about the Titans because I wasn't used to it. Some of you may like it when it starts for the Texans (and it will as they keep winning), but it seemed to me to be the same fluff stories over and over, it was redundant.
Okay....
When CBS's Judge starts drinking the Texans koolaid that's another sign that maybe the Mayans were right and the world will end in 2012...
Showtime100
Got JJ?
My personal thing about "no national press" only has to do with giving due air time on highlights and that pretty much it. ESPN spends 90% of their NFL time talking about 10% of the league and 10% of theit time talking about the other 90% of the league because they have to, with snide comments to boot. This is not what I had in mind when 24-hour sports channels came to be.
I don't care what ESPN, NFLN, or anybody says about the Texans unless it's unfounded and negative by a reporter who clearly didn't read up much before saying the offending comments. I don't care about how little they are talked about, just give me the damn highlights on Sunday night like you did all the other games.
I got three plays and one chance to see those three plays watching ESPN and some NFLN on Sunday night/Monday morning and to me that is inexcusable from the American-based and "Worldwide Leader In Sports" (by monpoly).
I don't care what ESPN, NFLN, or anybody says about the Texans unless it's unfounded and negative by a reporter who clearly didn't read up much before saying the offending comments. I don't care about how little they are talked about, just give me the damn highlights on Sunday night like you did all the other games.
I got three plays and one chance to see those three plays watching ESPN and some NFLN on Sunday night/Monday morning and to me that is inexcusable from the American-based and "Worldwide Leader In Sports" (by monpoly).
Showtime100
Got JJ?
yep... just follow the money
and in TV the formula is simple: ratings = advertising = $$$
The teams with the largest followings represent the best potential ratings.
To paraphrase Michael Corleone, "It's not personal. It's business."
euro-Texan
Rookie
Thank you for getting the original point of this post! The Texans will get plenty of highlight reel if they lose to New Orleans, but when they win a game it is as if the game never took place. I get the whole east coast bias and ratings thing, but it only makes sense that if you are a 24hr sports network or one specific to the NFL (NFLN) you should at least cover all of the games which took place on a given Sunday. As far as the pundit's opinions, popularity contests or anything else I think most of us on here could care less.
HTown2ATX
TexansMetalhead
On First Take on lunch just now I was watching the debate session and pretty much everyone smashed on the Texans until they see if we beat NO this weekend (which I don't blame them for to be honest after how many times the Texans have left egg on national media guys faces after praising them).
Also, they did that segment where they rank the top 5 in AFC and NFC and the Texans were left out. Now this part I took issue with only because if we are talking AFC only and not the whole NFL, I think the Texans are in there somewhere IMO.
Skip Bayless came over to critique the picks and thank Kordell Stewart (who made the picks) for not putting the Texans in the top 5.
I personally don't care about media rep just yet, but this part of the segment did irk me a little as the Texans are not garbage even if unproven at this point based on beating the Colts and Phins.
Also, they did that segment where they rank the top 5 in AFC and NFC and the Texans were left out. Now this part I took issue with only because if we are talking AFC only and not the whole NFL, I think the Texans are in there somewhere IMO.
Skip Bayless came over to critique the picks and thank Kordell Stewart (who made the picks) for not putting the Texans in the top 5.
I personally don't care about media rep just yet, but this part of the segment did irk me a little as the Texans are not garbage even if unproven at this point based on beating the Colts and Phins.
I hope the team feels disrespected and has a chip on their collective shoulders about it. Teams tend to play better as underdogs, and honestly, respect in the NFL should be earned, not granted by a bunch of blathering media personalities.
People want to see what we do against elite teams first. Personally I feel exactly the way they do. We've seen the Texans win games everyone feels they should win. These next 4 games will show the country what we're made of. If we win the next 2 games then I guarantee you people will be saying we're either 1 or 2 right up there with the Patriots. Beat elite teams and the respect will come.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
One reason that we all get upset around here with the Texans, is we've known for several years now they have the talent they need to get into the playoffs. They just, for some unfathomable reason, keep screwing it up. Some of us blame Kubiak, others have their reasons, but maybe it's just the Texans just don't have a winners mentality. And until they get it, they will continue to fold just like it's home.
Whatever the reason, I hope they get over it this year. And screw the national press either way.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Getting no love from ESPN:
Texans
Titans (blew the doors off the Ravens)
Buffalo Bills
Andy Dalton
No national fanbase = no national coverage
Texans
Titans (blew the doors off the Ravens)
Buffalo Bills
Andy Dalton
No national fanbase = no national coverage
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't care one way or another about what the talking heads say. But the argument about beating good teams is sooooo overplayed. Two good teams walk into the SB each year. One walks out a loser. Doesn't mean they weren't a good team. The Bills did it four years in a row and were an excellent team. The next two games will be very tough but they are against the league's elite. Losing to an elite team doesn't mean you suck.
texanhead08
All Pro
Texans have beat two horrible teams and based on past failures that will not get you any national attention.
I would agree that it doesn't mean that you suck especially losing to an elite team on the road, but if the Texans are going to get where we all believe they can this year they'll have to beat really good teams. There's never been a team win the division that hasn't beaten a playoff team if I remember correctly. A win this game would go a long ways towards the Texans confidence heading into the Steelers game. That's the only thing I'm concerned about. A bad loss in New Orleans would possibly have these guys thinking about last year all over again.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
First off, I think people are being a little prematurely giddy and hopefully the Texans are not doing the same.
Having said that I guess it depends on what you mean by really good teams. On the remaining schedule I would say the really good to elite teams are the Saints, Steelers, Ravens and Falcons. They could loose all of those and still win the division.
Texas T
Veteran
Here's my take:
Whenthe Phins put up all that yardage and those points against the Pats they were a good team (per media) but now they are not because they lost to the Texans.
The Pats beat the Phins and gave up a butt-load of yards and points and they "fought out" a hard earned win against a good team and the Pats are elite. The Texans beat the same Phins team by 13 points, hold their QB to 170 yards and they have not been challenged because they have played two not very good teams...
I just don't understand the difference. Does losing to the Texans automatically mean they are a bad team??
So when we beat the Saints this week, media should start saying how aweful they are. Actually, I'm betting on a "this is how the Saints lost the game".
How bad with the Steelers be when we beat them??
Whenthe Phins put up all that yardage and those points against the Pats they were a good team (per media) but now they are not because they lost to the Texans.
The Pats beat the Phins and gave up a butt-load of yards and points and they "fought out" a hard earned win against a good team and the Pats are elite. The Texans beat the same Phins team by 13 points, hold their QB to 170 yards and they have not been challenged because they have played two not very good teams...
I just don't understand the difference. Does losing to the Texans automatically mean they are a bad team??
So when we beat the Saints this week, media should start saying how aweful they are. Actually, I'm betting on a "this is how the Saints lost the game".
How bad with the Steelers be when we beat them??
HTown2ATX
TexansMetalhead
I agree with you in your earlier comment that I don't care what the national media says right now largely either as I stated before, but the whole AFC second part of my OP did irk me I have to admit.
I also agree with you on the bolded part of your statement above about winning the division, however, IMO, if we can't beat any of those "elite" or upper echelon teams I unfortunately suspect we get demolished in the playoffs, which, at this point, I expect to see at least 1 W in the playoffs if we win the division and get homefield for a game instead of just showing up and going home.
FWIW
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I was only talking about getting to the playoffs not what happens once there.
I would add Tampa Bay at home to that list also. They may not be there on the road yet, but they're really good at home.
My issue with us losing all of those games would be that most likely we would have slip ups in other games too. We need to be able to win tough games against good teams both at home and on the road.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
The only reason why it makes a difference to me what media is saying is because there are times when you can see that clearly the attention one team gets makes for differnces in the actual games.
How many times have we seen some bogus Pass Interference calls against us when we had Manning stopped and destined to fail (Jacques Reeves PI call about two years ago).
How many times have we seen some bogus Pass Interference calls against us when we had Manning stopped and destined to fail (Jacques Reeves PI call about two years ago).
yep, good points. Even including the Bucs as a loss, the Texans could go 11-5 and clinch the division (and possibly a first round bye).
If you look at the Texans schedule, I would never go so far as to say "cupcake", but it definitely has a lot more 'beatable' teams than what folks would consider 'elite' teams. Another reason why I feel the mythical stars are aligned for us this season. But, as always, they need to actually do it to make it so.
HTown2ATX
TexansMetalhead
Exactly, in looking at my schedule on my wall at my desk, the schedule is lined up well for us. However, I would really want to see some wins against elite teams so I feel better with that Division clinching 1st home game in the playoffs against someone.
michaelm
vox nihili
Hmmmm... starting to come around, are you? LOL
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1744854&postcount=10
lol! Well, I did say "could go" to paint a scenario.
However, I'd say that yeah, I'm definitely coming around to being a bit more optimistic about things in a cautious sort of way. If I was fully convinced that the Texans have moved beyond their old ways of potentially beating themselves, I'd be all in with that 11-5 prediction.
DexmanC
Hall of Fame
The only way to get to THE SUPERBOWL is to beat GOOD TEAMS.
Keep the conversation at the regular season level, and you'll understand
why this team hasn't earned national respect.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah like the 9-7 Jets beating out the 9-7 Texans for the 2009 playoffs. Or the 9-7 Cardinals going to the Super Bowl. Or how about the 7-9 Seahawks winning their division when 7 teams were 10+ wins in their conference. Regular season matters.
Hint - your record starts at 0-0 once you hit the playoffs. Goal #1 - get there.
The Jets also beat good teams to get there. NE, Ten, Hou, Car..... All teams with records of .500 or better. I'm not even including the 2 games they won at the end of the year. Point is, they won against tough teams.
Arizona beat Dallas and Miami. Dallas on the road. Both were playoff teams that year. Sure the statistics say that we can go to the playoffs without beating any good teams, but realistically we need to be able to win a game or 2 against a good team.
If the Jets split those 4 games they don't go to the playoffs. If Arizona loses both of those games, they don't go to the playoffs.
Edit: The Seahawks last year also won a couple of games against good teams. SD and Chicago. They needed 2 KO returns from Leon Washington to beat San Diego, but the point is without those games they don't even get in.
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DexmanC
Hall of Fame
Reps to you for hitting the nail on the head.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So what? They also lost to teams with .500 or worse records - Miami twice, Buffalo, Jacksonville. Glad you got rep for the post but it really wasn't sound. Fact is most teams don't have to face more than a few games against eventual playoff teams during the regular season and the wins and losses count just the same whether it be the 0-16 Lions or the 16-0 Patriots as far as the Texans going to the playoffs.
You're making my point for me and you don't even realize it. The Texans will lose to a team or most likely teams that they should beat with losing records. At some point they'll need to beat good teams. You brought up the 3 teams before and I gave you at least 2 good teams each that they beat that year. Without those wins they don't get into the playoffs. You're the one who said they don't need to win those games while bringing up those teams. I gave you reasons why they do.
Your argument is the one that isn't sound. You said that the Texans don't need any of these wins to get into the playoffs and gave 3 bad examples of teams. All of those teams beat good teams in order to make the playoffs which is what we'll need as well. And I'm not here for the rep. While appreciated, I just wanna talk football with fellow Texans fans. Just because you're a mod doesn't mean you can't be wrong or mistaken about something.
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