BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
Bobo said:
Which again is why Capers is not here anymore. He couldn't get the O-Line together and the defense fell off the face of the earth
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Which again is why Capers is not here anymore. He couldn't get the O-Line together and the defense fell off the face of the earth
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Bobo said:
Lame response....
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Bobo said:
I fear for you then... and my Pre-cal teacher.
BigTimeTexanFan said:
I've been over this before. One bad year, three good ones with a team from scratch. Good reason for Capers to be dismissed? Good reason for Cowher to be dismissed? Good reason for Paul Brown to be dismissed? Good reason for Holmgren to be dismissed? I think not.
Wolf
100% Texan
giving up over 3 sacks a game is why a coach gets fired. Getting blown out on national TV gets you fired .. going 2-14 in a season gets you fired. when you don't win within your division gets you fired.
after 4 seasons, the team regressed.. offfensively and defensively, the players didn't buy into the system that Capers was selling.. (this is noted by quotes by the players and not my opinion) ... when when some players say something (coleman,Walker)... well they got deactivated
And I like Capers. I think he is a good DC just not a HC
after 4 seasons, the team regressed.. offfensively and defensively, the players didn't buy into the system that Capers was selling.. (this is noted by quotes by the players and not my opinion) ... when when some players say something (coleman,Walker)... well they got deactivated
And I like Capers. I think he is a good DC just not a HC
Wolf said:
If getting blown out on national TV gets you fired, then why do Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan still have jobs? Does going 7-9 in a team's third year of existence while giving up just five points total in road games to the Bears and Jax get you fired too? And as far as regression goes, let's talk about how Cowher's team went from 13-3 to 6-10 in two years. Now THAT'S regression. But why didn't they fire Cowher? And forgive me for being amused but I kind of have to laugh when folks selectively take these little bones of dissension and use them for their own benefit. For example, folks defend the release of Gaffney and Wells because they apparently had gripes. Heck, after all, we don't want gripers on OUR team. Then they turn around and defend one of the biggest gripers of them all, Moulds. Then Coleman and Walker gripe, but it's OK because it's Capers, not Kubiak. Pardon me, but I see a heckuva lot of disingenousness when it comes to the Texans and their followers. Inconsistent logic, revisionist history and blind obedience seem to be par for the course and good reason for back slapping and attaboys.
Wolf
100% Texan
Bobo said:
pot calling kettle black?
go into windows go to control panel and install the english version on language support..
you take all that put in and that gets you fired not, 1 of the lists or 2 ..but all of it compounded together..that gets you fired. ..McNair gave a 4 year grace period for the coaching staff.. we were to compete for playoffs, not rebuild and pick # overall in the draft again
not protecting David Carr gets you fired..(like it or not he is the face of the franchise).
I don't think the Texans are as ruthless when it comes to coaches as say UT or TAMU.. but not beating your rivals gets your fired.
Bobo said:
...so what kind of year would we have had in the Texans 5th year if Capers had stayed? It's been mentioned many many times that the difference between Capers and these other coaches you compare his situation to, is that they were proven winners--Capers is a proven loser.
Finally, after a horrendous 5th year and an expired 'lame duck' contract, what would you do with Dom?
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
i was trying to stay out of this bobo...but come on.
to the CUSP of a .500 season? He almost sniffed mediocrity during his 4 year tenure? and stop trying to ignore year 4. It happened. You can do better than this.
to the CUSP of a .500 season? He almost sniffed mediocrity during his 4 year tenure? and stop trying to ignore year 4. It happened. You can do better than this.
Wolf
100% Texan
about what? Bill Cowher? Jeff Fisher? those guys have track records of winning so part of the NFL life they get some slack cut.. Capers didn't have that option ..he had 4 years to put a team to challenge for the Super Bowl not the Bush bowl
I liked Gaffney at the slot.. I wish we could have kept him .. I liked Well's his stats were comparable to DD.. and he played ST. With his size he should have been a bruiser (size close to Eddie George) ....but isn't ..
is that what you wanted?
I liked Gaffney at the slot.. I wish we could have kept him .. I liked Well's his stats were comparable to DD.. and he played ST. With his size he should have been a bruiser (size close to Eddie George) ....but isn't ..
is that what you wanted?
swtbound07 said:
Excuse me, but don't you know the difference between taking on an established team and starting a team from SCRATCH? I know year four happened, but I also know that the year 2003 happened to the Steelers following years of 13-3, then 10-5-1. Excuse me, but you can do better than this.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
he started from scratch. 4 years was enough time. We've moved on, as has dom and has lousy cast of players...gaffney, bradford, etc.
tsip said:
"Lame excuses?" Umm, sorry, but that isn't me. You know, there is so much that appears on this board that amuses me in terms of contradictions. The "Wells cut was OK because nobody picked him up but it's not right to judge a personnel move based on if another team picks up a player" is pretty priceless. Also the "Capers was wrong to move players around and then when he moved players around, he was wrong" argument is kind of funny as well. But another one that gets me is the "you spend all your time posting on this site and then you disappear from the board for awhile." Yeah, I like that one, too.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
You are completely ignoring what I'm saying. In those four years, we have never had a stable line. He was unable to shore up the offensive line in those four years and Carr had to take the beating. McNair sees this and maybe he doesn't like his #1 quarterback getting hammered every play. He couldn't fix it so he was replaced with someone who might be able to.Bobo said:
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Bobo said:
Congratulations...You can spell and can quote scripture too.
I guess you are more informed than the NFL commissioner.
"I see the Canadian Football League as very important to the NFL, and the future development of our form of football," Tagliabue said. "In time, I see a Canadian and a Mexican and a European league in a round-robin championship series. Of course, some people think that's a good indication that I should be retiring . . .
"In the next 10 years we may see more change than we have in the past 40 years," he said.
I have bolded the key points that I have been trying unsuccessfully to bring to your attention.
I realize you have a reading comprehension problem, so after reading that quote I am confident that all you will surmise is the commissioner thinks he should retire.
Anyway.... I've added a link for you to mis-interpret.
Or..just stay uninformed, it suits you well.
Point And Click Here BoBo
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
You keep saying this. If 4-12, 5-11, and 7-9 are good years then you should be stoked about the future of the Texans.Bobo said:
BigTimeTexanFan said:
The line was a problem since 2002. It takes a long, long time to put something like that together. Some teams never do it. Look at the Saints. It took them 20 years before they had a winning team, let alone a playoff team. But during those years where the line was admittedly bad for the Texans, there was never any call for Capers demise until last year. Carr got sacked a lot in the first three years, but that didn't seem to bother anybody. Why? Because the Texans were improving. The records went from 4-12 to 5-11 and then 7-9. Yet, Carr was still getting sacked to the hilt. And going into year four, even though Carr was still getting sacked all over the place, folks all over -- including those on this board -- were predicting exactly what they are this year, playoffs. Why was that, even though the sack problem was still evident? Because the team was still improving. I submit to you the following: The sack problem was not why Capers got fired. He was fired for one reason and that was the 2-14 record. Was that reason to fire him, though, and not give him the chance to right the ship? As I have argued before, I would submit to you this response: No, it was not -- just as it was not the right time to sack Cowher, Holmgren, and Brown after they had a bad year. They were given the chance to right the ship and they succeeded. Capers was never given that chance and that wasn't right because he earned that shot.
BigTimeTexanFan said:
Good years for a team that's only been in existence for three years with no kind of infrastructure in place. Kubiak is now benefiting from what Capers created. He's got Carr, Davis, Robinson, AJ, an entire infrastructure in place and guys with experience under their belts. There is nothing that can equate to what a coach does in the first few years of a team's existence. There is no tougher job around in NFL coaching.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
Don't think for minute that people were ignoring the sack problem even though the team was improving. The team was improving in spite of the line. People were also predicting good fortunes contingent on the offensive line woes being taken care of. When it was apparent that they weren't combined with the horrible defense and the miserable losses then Capers fate was sealed.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
I know Capers had a rough job bringing up a franchise from it infancy, there was not enough effort being shown to fix problems such as the o-line and the defense and CONITINUE progress. There were many factors that went into Capers not being here anymore not just the sacks.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
4 win and 5 win seasons are NOT good years. I dont care if you are an expansion team or not. Those are not good years. By your logic 2-14 is a good year because we are still a young team. Our fans wont settle for sub-sub mediocrity and have you tell us its gravy. The 7-9 season was CLOSE to a good year.
swtbound07 said:
Um, for a team in its first and second year of existence with no infrastructure behind them and no experience whatsoever, they are VERY strong seasons. I think you understand this because I can't believe you would know so little about the difficulties of putting a team together from scratch.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Bobo said:
Wrong. It got much, much stronger last year, but it was present previously.
100% wrong. Of course you might know that (as with your above comment) if you were around here since 2002 instead of just since January 2005. Every year there have been folks here wanting 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks predominately spent on OL including Jordan Gross, trading up for Gallery, etc.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Bobo said:
How does the Bills having a first year starter at QB hurt my "argument" with Moulds not truly declining in numbers? It greatly increases it.
"Carr was still getting sacked to the hilt. And going into year four, even though Carr was still getting sacked all over the place, folks all over -- including those on this board -- were predicting exactly what they are this year, playoffs. Why was that.."
Because we are Houston Texans fans. Is any other reason really needed?
Because we are Houston Texans fans. Is any other reason really needed?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
"Failure to respond to my post duly noted."
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