No Interest In Walker Or Wells?

[cuppacoffee]

Just sitting here thinking about all the changes in our Texans roster.

Several of the released Texan players have found new homes.

M Brown, J Gaffney, D Ragone, T Walker, M Norris to name a few.

Why not G Walker or J Wells. I think that maybe Walker might be a mid-season pickup by someone, but Wells supposedly plays well on special teams and was a serviceable backup running back, or so I thought.

Also our previous second string QB T Banks has not been picked up either.

Kinda strange that multiple teams put in a claim for our third string QB when he was released but no interest has been shown in our second stringer.

Is this further proof of the ineptness of the previous coaching regime?

Seems like a really large turnover, with a lot of released players being picked up.

Good luck to them all.....except for when they return to play against us..

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I am not surprised that those would be the three that are currently not on a roster at the moment and all for different reasons. Walker will find a team after June 1st. Banks is awful and Wells is a dime a dozen type player.

 

[cj5776]

if Wells is a dime a dozen player, why are the Texans looking for similiar fb/rb tweener but have not found anybody? Maybe they have but are waiting until after June 1

 

[Kaiser Toro]

if Wells is a dime a dozen player, why are the Texans looking for similiar fb/rb tweener but have not found anybody? Maybe they have but are waiting until after June 1

I am not sure what your question or statement has to do with Wells.

 

[aj.]

Gary Walker was getting some interest from Jax and Miami back in April but there won't be many suitors for a guy with his penchant for injury - missed 19 games over the last three seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he retired, unless he can snooker another million out of Capers and Saban.

Here's the full list of homeless (those who were on the team last season through present):

Tony Banks
Gary Walker
Jerry DeLoach
Zeke Moreno
Chris Doering
Todd Washington
Jonathan Wells
Frank Chamberlin

And those with new homes:

Marcus Coleman - Dallas
Junior Ioane - NYG
Jason Bell - NYG
Tyson Walter - Wash
Corey Bradford - Det
Moran Norris - SF
Milford Brown - AZ
JAbar Gaffney - Phil
Dave Ragone - Cincy
Tony Hollings - Chi
Marcellus Rivers - Oak

 

[Chato]

Did anyone else hear Martz singing the praises of Corey bradford? Too funny. Oh yeah....big time receivier alright. LOL

 

[cj5776]

sorry for not being more clear, I just felt like Wells should have been brought back. I understand the zone blocking scheme and how fullbacks have to be quck like rbs, but right now Q Hill, an undrafted rookie, is the 2nd fullback. I agree cutting a guy early is good for the player but why not keep him until you have real options?

Even if the Saints trade does through. Where do the Texans make room for Bennit? Would you have Cook and the other four, can any of them play FB?

 

[Mailman04]

RBs like Wells are a dime a dozen that is why he is out of work. He isn't powerful for his size and he sure isn't fast by NFL RB standards.

 

[carter08]

Usually, new coaches turn over the rosters.

I'm surprised Gaffney was signed

 

[Keldar]

And those with new homes:

Marcus Coleman - Dallas
Junior Ioane - NYG
Jason Bell - NYG
Tyson Walter - Wash
Corey Bradford - Det
Moran Norris - SF
Milford Brown - AZ
JAbar Gaffney - Phil
Dave Ragone - Cincy
Tony Hollings - Chi
Marcellus Rivers - Oak

It's gonna be very interesting to see how many of these are still on the team after training camp.

 

[TexanFan881]

I think Gary Walker had himself a few teams interested in him a few weeks ago...hopefully June 1st reignites the interest in him.

 

[carter08]

I liked Rivers. Better than Bruener at TE

 

[cj5776]

Actaully it looks like Rivers will try to make it as a tackle. The reall question is Halterman or Joppru. Peutzer, Daniels, and Bruener are locks. If they carry 4TEs, another blocking TE would make sense. Peutzier and Daniels are very weak blockers. If that is the case then the edge should go to Halterman. We will see.

 

[aj.]

Rivers is a Raider.

I think you mean Murphy, who has very little chance of making the 53 as a tackle, and probably less as a TE considering the switch..

 

[Hardcore Texan]

Actaully it looks like Rivers will try to make it as a tackle. The reall question is Halterman or Joppru. Peutzer, Daniels, and Bruener are locks. If they carry 4TEs, another blocking TE would make sense. Peutzier and Daniels are very weak blockers. If that is the case then the edge should go to Halterman. We will see.

Some of our TE's will probably play Fullback, I remember hearing something awhile back, when we drafted Daniels. I think it was a quote from Kubiak from one of the news stories, if memory serves.

 

[Bobo]

Just sitting here thinking about all the changes in our Texans roster.

Several of the released Texan players have found new homes.

M Brown, J Gaffney, D Ragone, T Walker, M Norris to name a few.

Why not G Walker or J Wells. I think that maybe Walker might be a mid-season pickup by someone, but Wells supposedly plays well on special teams and was a serviceable backup running back, or so I thought.

Also our previous second string QB T Banks has not been picked up either.

Kinda strange that multiple teams put in a claim for our third string QB when he was released but no interest has been shown in our second stringer.

Is this further proof of the ineptness of the previous coaching regime?

Seems like a really large turnover, with a lot of released players being picked up.

Good luck to them all.....except for when they return to play against us..

Good grief! This just shows the rather strange manner folks continually want to blame a regime for one bad season, just because its second string QB wasn't picked up. Seems to me that perhaps you should start thinking about the fact that Dave Ragone was the team's second string QB and was gobbled up when released. Seems to me this shows the ineptitude of the current regime.

 

[carter08]

Joppru has to be the biggest dissapointment in team history

 

[beerlover]

Joppru has to be the biggest dissapointment in team history

check that, gotta be Tony Hollings :brickwall

 

[carter08]

Tony Boselli never played

 

[mexican_texan]

Tony Boselli never played

But Payne and Walker wouldn't be here without him. Or so I've heard.

 

[DocBar]

I don't think too many of our cast-offs are gonna be on teams in Sept. Especially not high-priced ones. I at least want to give Joppru a chance to prove he can keep from having a freak accident. I think Charles Hill has to be one of the biggest disappointments so far. Hollings is running a close second.

 

[Samer]

I like the fact that the team has released a good number of players who were a waste of a spot and brought in players who will be alot better.

 

[wrestler4life]

It is sad that we actually took the field with this drivel

 

[jerek]

FWIW I have heard that Wells (like Walker) was a negative locker room influence and that he often complained he wasn't receiving adequate PT. Either way his play made him a sufficient stopgap, but totally expendable IMO. As a blocker/ST he wasn't bad, but as a runner ... I've never seen a 250 lb'er try to dance that much.

I am surprised guys like Bradford and Coleman have found new homes. You would think their play speaks for itself.

 

[Bobo]

FWIW I have heard that Wells (like Walker) was a negative locker room influence and that he often complained he wasn't receiving adequate PT. Either way his play made him a sufficient stopgap, but totally expendable IMO. As a blocker/ST he wasn't bad, but as a runner ... I've never seen a 250 lb'er try to dance that much.

I am surprised guys like Bradford and Coleman have found new homes. You would think their play speaks for itself.

A.) Bradford is currently the WR #2 on the Lions depth chart. B.) Dave Ragone was cut and the Bengals quickly picked him up -- with the Colts having also filed for him as well. C.) Wells ran for 88 yards, scored two TDs and added 33 reception yards in one of the two Texans wins last year. He also duplicated the yardage in his other start. Why they cut him, I'll never know. He knew he was a backup and I never heard about any gritching about playing time during his tenure. Of course, there is always a certain amount of dissatisfaction if you aren't playing. After all, if somebody was actually happy sitting on the bench all the time, would you really want him on your team?

 

[Bobo]

I like the fact that the team has released a good number of players who were a waste of a spot and brought in players who will be alot better.

Yeah, right. Dave Ragone, Jonathan Wells and Jabbar Gaffney were all wastes of spots. Dave Ragone was a star in NFL Europe and when he was cut, there were teams in line waiting for him. Instead, Kubiak picked up ... Sage Rosenfels. Wonderful tradeoff. Jonathan Wells scored two TDs, gained 88 yards, and added 33 in reception yardage to help the Texans literally win half of their victories last year. Instead, they go out and pick up some first-round washout who has been on almost a different team every year. Then they let go of Jabbar Gaffney, a guy who finished fourth in 2004 in lowest dropped pass percentage in the entire league and instead, they go out and pay some old guy who has caught 10 TDs in three years and is decreasing in many #s a boatload of money. Yep, these players sound to me like they are going to be a lot better than the other ones they got rid of. Yep. Yep.

 

[Bobo]

I don't think too many of our cast-offs are gonna be on teams in Sept. Especially not high-priced ones. I at least want to give Joppru a chance to prove he can keep from having a freak accident. I think Charles Hill has to be one of the biggest disappointments so far. Hollings is running a close second.

Um, who are the "high priced ones?'

 

[Bobo]

Joppru has to be the biggest dissapointment in team history

Seeing that the guy hasn't played a down yet, how can you say that?

 

[cj5776]

Bradford going to Detriot with the signing bonus he get surprised me also. The Martz system needs a lot of wideouts who are downfield threats and I guess they see him as a stopgap. Our former wr coach is the wr coach there, which helps. He was the guy that was a former Xfl coach. Which is odd that a coach connected to anything tough would want Bradford, ha ha.

 

[jaayteetx]

When did Dave Ragone get cut?

 

[Exascor]

When did Dave Ragone get cut?

May 19th

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Bradford going to Detriot with the signing bonus he get surprised me also. The Martz system needs a lot of wideouts who are downfield threats and I guess they see him as a stopgap. Our former wr coach is the wr coach there, which helps. He was the guy that was a former Xfl coach. Which is odd that a coach connected to anything tough would want Bradford, ha ha.

The ball's up in the air...........Bradford's beat his man..............at the 20.....at the 15........at the 5........he's into the end zone...............TOUCHDO......................wait..............WITHOUT THE BALL.:brickwall

 

[cj5776]

He really got a sweet gig, he will be Carson Palmer's back up in Cinnci. I don't know how he is doing in his rehab, but he can not start opening week... the only competition Ragone will face will be from Anthony Wright. Kinda funny a former cowgirl and a former Texan are backing up Palmer.

 

[rafterticket]

I am not surprised that those would be the three that are currently not on a roster at the moment and all for different reasons. Walker will find a team after June 1st. Banks is awful and Wells is a dime a dozen type player.

I wouldn't argue with your point, but I can't believe Hollings got a job before Wells.

I almost forgot Tony was on the team last year.

 

[Vinny]

I wouldn't argue with your point, but I can't believe Hollings got a job before Wells.

Hollings is still a bit of an unknown to other teams but Wells is on film enough to tag him sufficiently I think. Wells is really underwhelming as a back imo. I think Walker lands with someone if he can keep his weight down.

 

[bigbrewster2000]

Yeah, right. Dave Ragone, Jonathan Wells and Jabbar Gaffney were all wastes of spots. Dave Ragone was a star in NFL Europe and when he was cut, there were teams in line waiting for him. Instead, Kubiak picked up ... Sage Rosenfels. Wonderful tradeoff. Jonathan Wells scored two TDs, gained 88 yards, and added 33 in reception yardage to help the Texans literally win half of their victories last year. Instead, they go out and pick up some first-round washout who has been on almost a different team every year. Then they let go of Jabbar Gaffney, a guy who finished fourth in 2004 in lowest dropped pass percentage in the entire league and instead, they go out and pay some old guy who has caught 10 TDs in three years and is decreasing in many #s a boatload of money. Yep, these players sound to me like they are going to be a lot better than the other ones they got rid of. Yep. Yep.

Bobo,
with those kind of comments I will assume that you are trying to come out of your retirement as a clown.

Wells and Ragone no longer fit our offensive scheme. Wells is a North/South 3yds and a cloud of dust guy. We needed more cut and go RB's. Ragone is not mobile enough for the new offense and since has only seen action in 2 NFL games (a few years ago) no one would give up anything to get him, regardless of his talent. NFL Europe doesn't mean squat by the way. And finally Jabar Gaffney, who cares what he did in '04, in '05 he didn't seem to have enough concentration to run the right routes or turn around in time to not let a ball hit him on the side of the arm(twice). Pathetic. Moulds has more talent in his pinkey than Gaffney. Oh, one last thing, it is not saying much that Bradford is the #2 in Detroit, Mike Williams still didn't know the offense at the end of the season and Charles Rodgers can't stay out of trouble, plus neither one of those guys have been showing the effort that they should be in order to be a sucess in the NFL.

Get behind our team nay sayer

 

[done88]

Seeing that the guy hasn't played a down yet, how can you say that?

If your not a Texan fan find a different site. Like it or not these are the players we have. Until they either perform or not we have to excited about the oppurtunity they might perform. They cannot do any worse then the old players. You are attacking al the new free agents in a different post. If you are a bitter depressed person find somewhere else to complain.

 

[infantrycak]

If your not a Texan fan find a different site. Like it or not these are the players we have. Until they either perform or not we have to excited about the oppurtunity they might perform. They cannot do any worse then the old players. You are attacking al the new free agents in a different post. If you are a bitter depressed person find somewhere else to complain.

He isn't a Texans fan. He is a Titans fan who likes to stir things up here.

 

[Runner]

Ragone no longer fit our offensive scheme. Ragone is not mobile enough for the new offense and since has only seen action in 2 NFL games (a few years ago) no one would give up anything to get him, regardless of his talent.

I wouldn't be too sure about all this. From what I've seen of Ragone he had very good pocket presence and was mobile enough inside the pocket to be a successful QB. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was mobile enough to run a controlled roll-out offense, even if he's not a "scrambler"

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As far as trades, how do we know someone didn't try to trade for him when the team was still intent on keeping him? Ragone's release may have been with mutual agreement where the team let him go to further his career. He could well be a #2 QB somewhere, and the Texans had him buried at #3 - again. If he asked, the team probably decided they'd rather let him go then have him unhappy at #3.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

 

[Bobo]

He isn't a Texans fan. He is a Titans fan who likes to stir things up here.

You can question my Texans allegiance. Fine. But to say I am a Titans fan is not true. Most people understand that it is possible for two people to choose the same name -- except those who do not want to understand.

 

[Bobo]

If your not a Texan fan find a different site. Like it or not these are the players we have. Until they either perform or not we have to excited about the oppurtunity they might perform. They cannot do any worse then the old players. You are attacking al the new free agents in a different post. If you are a bitter depressed person find somewhere else to complain.

Hmm. Using this rationale, there was no reason for those who criticized Capers after just two games last season. After all, he was the coach the Texans had. Until he was given a chance then folks should have been excited about the opportunity the team might perform. Thus, since so many folks were criticizing Capers before he even barely started the season, it seems to me that this board is open for criticism of the team, no matter what the time period happens to be. My criticisms of this team are legitimate and I don't see you answering why I am not pleased with these players. Duly noted.

 

[Bobo]

Bobo,
with those kind of comments I will assume that you are trying to come out of your retirement as a clown.

Wells and Ragone no longer fit our offensive scheme. Wells is a North/South 3yds and a cloud of dust guy. We needed more cut and go RB's. Ragone is not mobile enough for the new offense and since has only seen action in 2 NFL games (a few years ago) no one would give up anything to get him, regardless of his talent. NFL Europe doesn't mean squat by the way. And finally Jabar Gaffney, who cares what he did in '04, in '05 he didn't seem to have enough concentration to run the right routes or turn around in time to not let a ball hit him on the side of the arm(twice). Pathetic. Moulds has more talent in his pinkey than Gaffney. Oh, one last thing, it is not saying much that Bradford is the #2 in Detroit, Mike Williams still didn't know the offense at the end of the season and Charles Rodgers can't stay out of trouble, plus neither one of those guys have been showing the effort that they should be in order to be a sucess in the NFL.

Get behind our team nay sayer

A.) The comment about "retirement as a clown" is nonsensical and nothing but an attrempted insult. B.) The belief that Wells and Ragone "no longer fit the system" can be used as an excuse to cut anybody. Cut AJ? Well, he no longer fit our system. Cut Davis? He no longer fits the system. If NFL Europe doesn't mean anything, why do so many NFL teams take advantage of it by sending folks over there for seasoning? The fact that Ragone starred there is not something that should be ignored -- obviously that was proven by the Bengals. C.) As for Gaffney, the fact is he does NOT drop passes. If he wasn't dropping them in 2004, he wasn't dropping them in 05. I could not find stats regarding passes dropped pct., but I have to figure that concentration regarding passes won't change in a year. I would like to see the proof where Gaffney didn't have the concentration to run pass routes. After all, why continue to run routes when your QB has already been sacked? It's one thing to run out a ground ball, but it's another thing to continue running when you've already been declared out. D.) I would say the fact that Bradford is currently #2 WR in Detroit is indeed saying a whole lot when the team drafted WRs as #1 picks for three years in a row. E.) "Get behind our team?" Does that mean not criticizing it? Then why all the flack on Capers after just two games last year, both of which the Texans were not expected to win? Seems to me that this board is not just a place to wave the pom-poms. The criticism of this team is warranted.

 

[Brandon420tx]

A.) The comment about "retirement as a clown" is nonsensical and nothing but an attrempted insult. B.) The belief that Wells and Ragone "no longer fit the system" can be used as an excuse to cut anybody. Cut AJ? Well, he no longer fit our system. Cut Davis? He no longer fits the system. C.) As for Gaffney, the fact is he does NOT drop passes. If he wasn't dropping them in 2004, he wasn't dropping them in 05. I could not find stats regarding passes dropped pct., but I have to figure that concentration regarding passes won't change in a year. I would like to see the proof where Gaffney didn't have the concentration to run pass routes. After all, why continue to run routes when your QB has already been sacked? It's one thing to run out a ground ball, but it's another thing to continue running when you've already been declared out. D.) If NFL Europe doesn't mean anything, why do so many NFL teams take advantage of it by sending folks over there for seasoning? The fact that Ragone starred there is not something that should be ignored -- obviously that was proven by the Bengals. E.) I would say the fact that Bradford is currently #2 WR in Detroit is indeed saying a whole lot when the team drafted WRs as #1 picks for three years in a row. F.) "Get behind our team?" Does that mean not criticizing it? Then why all the flack on Capers after just two games last year, both of which the Texans were not expected to win? Seems to me that this board is not just a place to wave the pom-poms. The criticism of this team is warranted.

I have to spread Bobo some rep here, I know I know, leave me alone, but he made good points, of course Point C). and E). are never going to be widely shared veiwpoints on this forums, The only good thing I can see about Bradford is that he maybe maybe may-be could knock some sense into the Lions WR (Kinda, don't let your career end up like mine talk) and I think the Eagles are really hurting at WR right now, the rest of the team looks good though... well the defense looks good to me... Good post tho Bobo.

 

[mexican_texan]

You may not like Bobo, but he's one of my favorite posters here. He sees things from a different light, possibly a dim one. Some of us are waaay too optimistic, while he seems to see things more realistically. He's not a hater, he's an elevator, he brings us back down to Earth.

 

[infantrycak]

You can question my Texans allegiance. Fine. But to say I am a Titans fan is not true. Most people understand that it is possible for two people to choose the same name -- except those who do not want to understand.

Cool, you not only have the same screen name you have the same IP address. No problem. Look, you seem like you have a better than average football knowledge, but come here and troll to stir up the pot and you'll get called out. Try not injecting stir the pot negativity into every thread and we welcome perspectives from other fans. For reference, see Huge, our resident Cowboys fan who is very well respected (and honest about his affiliation).

 

[disaacks3]

Yeah, right. Dave Ragone, Jonathan Wells and Jabbar Gaffney were all wastes of spots. Dave Ragone was a star in NFL Europe and when he was cut, there were teams in line waiting for him. Instead, Kubiak picked up ... Sage Rosenfels. Wonderful tradeoff. Jonathan Wells scored two TDs, gained 88 yards, and added 33 in reception yardage to help the Texans literally win half of their victories last year. Instead, they go out and pick up some first-round washout who has been on almost a different team every year. Then they let go of Jabbar Gaffney, a guy who finished fourth in 2004 in lowest dropped pass percentage in the entire league and instead, they go out and pay some old guy who has caught 10 TDs in three years and is decreasing in many #s a boatload of money. Yep, these players sound to me like they are going to be a lot better than the other ones they got rid of. Yep. Yep.

I'll take my stab at the good / bad in there...IMHO, of course!

1. To be honest, I'm not sold on Rosenfels either, but Ragone was still an unknown entity against NFL-caliber talent. For every Arena-league sensation like Kurt Warner, there are 30 failures. It was Kubiak's call on a guy he knows better, simple as that.

2. Jonathan Wells, even in an "RB-friendly, Denver-zone-blocking" offense wasn't good enough to keep. He was a decent 3rd-down back, but his speed is FAR from special.

3. Gaffney, I'm really torn about losing. I thought he was on the verge of being a really good Keyshawn Johnson-type who didn't have blinding speed, but was a good possession guy over the middle. I'll truly miss him.

 

[MorKnolle]

A.) The comment about "retirement as a clown" is nonsensical and nothing but an attrempted insult. B.) The belief that Wells and Ragone "no longer fit the system" can be used as an excuse to cut anybody. Cut AJ? Well, he no longer fit our system. Cut Davis? He no longer fits the system. If NFL Europe doesn't mean anything, why do so many NFL teams take advantage of it by sending folks over there for seasoning? The fact that Ragone starred there is not something that should be ignored -- obviously that was proven by the Bengals. C.) As for Gaffney, the fact is he does NOT drop passes. If he wasn't dropping them in 2004, he wasn't dropping them in 05. I could not find stats regarding passes dropped pct., but I have to figure that concentration regarding passes won't change in a year. I would like to see the proof where Gaffney didn't have the concentration to run pass routes. After all, why continue to run routes when your QB has already been sacked? It's one thing to run out a ground ball, but it's another thing to continue running when you've already been declared out. D.) I would say the fact that Bradford is currently #2 WR in Detroit is indeed saying a whole lot when the team drafted WRs as #1 picks for three years in a row. E.) "Get behind our team?" Does that mean not criticizing it? Then why all the flack on Capers after just two games last year, both of which the Texans were not expected to win? Seems to me that this board is not just a place to wave the pom-poms. The criticism of this team is warranted.

B) The Bengals signed Ragone to a minimum contract to battle for backup duty during camp, and I'm not betting that he beats out Reggie McNeal, Doug Johnson, and Anthony Wright for that spot. Them signing him to their training camp squad hardly proves anything. Ragone is not a mobile QB, he definitely cannot throw the ball on the run, and he's just not that good, so why would we keep him? Kubiak has orchestrated the #1 overall scoring and yards offense in the NFL over the last 11 years, if he doesn't think a QB fits his system then I am fully ready to trust him on that.

D) The fact that Martz mentioned one time that as of right now he sees Bradford as the #2 WR means next to nothing. It either means that Martz simply hasn't seen enough of his guys yet or else the Lions were even dumber the last three drafts than everyone gave them credit for, it is hardly reason to criticize Kubiak for cutting him. If Martz is indeed sincere in that assessment, the rotation right now is not of much consequence come September, they still probably have a couple mini camps and all of training camp to go.

Yeah, right. Dave Ragone, Jonathan Wells and Jabbar Gaffney were all wastes of spots. Dave Ragone was a star in NFL Europe and when he was cut, there were teams in line waiting for him. Instead, Kubiak picked up ... Sage Rosenfels. Wonderful tradeoff. Jonathan Wells scored two TDs, gained 88 yards, and added 33 in reception yardage to help the Texans literally win half of their victories last year. Instead, they go out and pick up some first-round washout who has been on almost a different team every year. Then they let go of Jabbar Gaffney, a guy who finished fourth in 2004 in lowest dropped pass percentage in the entire league and instead, they go out and pay some old guy who has caught 10 TDs in three years and is decreasing in many #s a boatload of money. Yep, these players sound to me like they are going to be a lot better than the other ones they got rid of. Yep. Yep.

Dave Ragone was a questionable pick at the time who never developed into anything. Sure we had lousy coaching but our current staff (orchestator of the #1 offense in the NFL over the last 11 years and notorious for developing QBs) decided that Ragone did not fit what they were wanting to do and that he was not worth keeping around. Rosenfels is at least somewhat athletic.

Jonathan Wells gained 87 yards on 28 carries (3.1 average) and 2 TD, plus 1 catch for 11 yards against Arizona. He added 86 yards on 21 carries (4.1 average) and 33 receiving yards against Jacksonville, 56 yards on 13 carries (4.3 average) and 1 TD, plus 45 receiving yards in the other game against Jacksonville, and then 58 yards on 15 carries (3.9 average), 1 TD, plus 17 receiving yards against Indy. Those were his four starts on the year, not especially impressive to outweigh his lockerroom grumblings and him not fitting Kubiak's system. The fact that he's been on the open market for over a month without being signed by any of the other 31 teams should be evidence that he is not very good.

 

[Bobo]

I'll take my stab at the good / bad in there...IMHO, of course!

1. To be honest, I'm not sold on Rosenfels either, but Ragone was still an unknown entity against NFL-caliber talent. For every Arena-league sensation like Kurt Warner, there are 30 failures. It was Kubiak's call on a guy he knows better, simple as that.

2. Jonathan Wells, even in an "RB-friendly, Denver-zone-blocking" offense wasn't good enough to keep. He was a decent 3rd-down back, but his speed is FAR from special.

3. Gaffney, I'm really torn about losing. I thought he was on the verge of being a really good Keyshawn Johnson-type who didn't have blinding speed, but was a good possession guy over the middle. I'll truly miss him.

A.) Choosing a guy you know better is simply nepotism, plain and simple. Seems to me that you must put that kind of stuff aside and go with the better player. Looking at Ragone's success, it seems that Kubiak did not make this decision based on pootential. BTW, Ragone was in NFL Europe, not the Arena League. For more info on NFL Europe: http://www.footballstories.com/articles/opinion.asp?ArtID=162
B.) Wells was an excellent backup and he proved that in the two games he started last year when Davis was out. Davis will be the starter, so now you have to look for a person who is successful as a backup. Wells met that need and there was no reason to get rid of him. He proved himself more than capable of filling in when necessary.
C.) You're right about Gaffney. The Texans should have kept him. The problem wasn't Gaffney, nor was it Armstrong or any Texans receiver. The problem was the fact that Carr never had enough time to deliver anybody the ball. Bringing in an old guy whose #s are declining as he ages and then pay him a ton of money instead of keeping a steady guy who would have gotten better if the real problem is dealt with was a mistake, plain and simple.

 

[beerlover]

A.) Choosing a guy you know better is simply nepotism, plain and simple. Seems to me that you must put that kind of stuff aside and go with the better player. Looking at Ragone's success, it seems that Kubiak did not make this decision based on pootential. BTW, Ragone was in NFL Europe, not the Arena League. For more info on NFL Europe: http://www.footballstories.com/articles/opinion.asp?ArtID=162
B.) Wells was an excellent backup and he proved that in the two games he started last year when Davis was out. Davis will be the starter, so now you have to look for a person who is successful as a backup. Wells met that need and there was no reason to get rid of him. He proved himself more than capable of filling in when necessary.
C.) You're right about Gaffney. The Texans should have kept him. The problem wasn't Gaffney, nor was it Armstrong or any Texans receiver. The problem was the fact that Carr never had enough time to deliver anybody the ball. Bringing in an old guy whose #s are declining as he ages and then pay him a ton of money instead of keeping a steady guy who would have gotten better if the real problem is dealt with was a mistake, plain and simple.

nepotize this bobo- Ragone does not fit Kubiak's system. so here is what you do, wish him luck with another team and hope the best for both parties involved. end of discussion

Wells is a back-up, you said it yourself. seems to me like the Texans are loaded already in this area

Gaffney, Smaffney I only miss the fact that the Texans could have drafted better with the 1st overall pick of the 2nd round in 2002. he had four years of productive yet un-inspiring numbers, to lump him in the same category with Moulds is your mistake

 

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B) The Bengals signed Ragone to a minimum contract to battle for backup duty during camp, and I'm not betting that he beats out Reggie McNeal, Doug Johnson, and Anthony Wright for that spot. Them signing him to their training camp squad hardly proves anything. Ragone is not a mobile QB, he definitely cannot throw the ball on the run, and he's just not that good, so why would we keep him? Kubiak has orchestrated the #1 overall scoring and yards offense in the NFL over the last 11 years, if he doesn't think a QB fits his system then I am fully ready to trust him on that.

D) The fact that Martz mentioned one time that as of right now he sees Bradford as the #2 WR means next to nothing. It either means that Martz simply hasn't seen enough of his guys yet or else the Lions were even dumber the last three drafts than everyone gave them credit for, it is hardly reason to criticize Kubiak for cutting him. If Martz is indeed sincere in that assessment, the rotation right now is not of much consequence come September, they still probably have a couple mini camps and all of training camp to go.

1.) Um, the fact that the Colts were waiting right behind the Bengals to grab him proves that Ragone was more than a toss away. Reggie McNeal, as I recall, is a WR now and both Johnson and Wright have not been all that successful. To think that Ragone won't be given a great chance of backing up Palmer is unrealistic. Besides, if the Bengals were really happy with what they had, they wouldn't have picked up Ragone. And if the Bengals didn't grab him, the Colts would have. To say that Ragone "isn't that good" is kind of silly, seeing that he had great success in NFL Europe and got very little experience when he was with the team. Ragone is a lot better than you are willing to give him credit for. Besides, Sage Rosenfels certainly is no Pro Bowler. It isn't wise to simply toss a good prospect aside simply because he supposedly doesn't fit your system. Under that reasoning, you could cut anybody. Heaven forbid if the Texans had Matt Linart on their squad! After all, he's a drop back passer as well. Guess he wouldn't make the cut, either.
2.) How many times does Martz have to mention the fact that Bradford is the #2 guy? In fact, I think he has mentioned it on more than one occasion. The fact is, he is the WR#2 at this moment, ahead of two first-round draft picks. I wouldn't say this "doesn't mean a thing." What it DOES mean is that he is the WR#2 guy right now and has to be beaten out for that position. 3.) It seems to me that you are kind of straining as you try to defend some of Kubiak's questionable personnel decisions. Most folks would admit that getting rid of a guy who starred in NFL Europe and showed some promise should be kept over a guy who hasn't done anything on the football field at all during his career and is just one injury away from taking over. And it really is a tough sell to say that a guy who your team cut and is now a WR#2 guy over two first-rounders "doesn't mean a thing." That seems to me to be the definition of "denial."