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No EyE for talent

Double Barrel said:
So says you who brings up an article from a year and a half ago. :um:

What do you want the head coach to do? The team he inherited had some serious problems, including a massive dead cap hit from the previous staff's ineptitude ($30 million this season alone).

You make derogatory comments about the head coach without offering any viable alternative solutions. And you want to call out folks for not having a point?



Say no more. We have a worm in our midst. :worm:
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My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .
 
Hooston Texan said:
When you are building a team from scratch like we've been doing the last 20 months, tailback should be about the last position addressed. Their careers are very short because they take such a pounding. So even if you get The Man at TB, he may wear out before your team is ready to contend.

Tailback is about the easiest position in the NFL to learn (if--and it's a big if--they know how to pass-protect), so guys can be plugged in from off the street. You won't be getting LDT that way, but if the line creates a hole, any competent TB can get through it.

This is why the Ahman signing made so much sense. He's a good back who only had one previous serious injury--at his age, that is really good (compare, say, fellow 1998 draft class member Fred Taylor). And his is basically a two year deal, so he buys us time to get everything else in place with few strings attached. It is bad luck he got hurt, but if he's back this week, it's all good.

But I think we still need another back to help out the passing game to take the heat off Green. Dayne obviously can't, and I'm assuming Gado can't since he has barely played. There is a back out there who (1) can catch the ball, (2) knows Kubiak's offense and (3) as a huge bonus, is very familiar with Matt Schaub. I know most of you are probably not huge Wali Lundy fans, but I think he can do well in a third-down back type role so that Ahman does not have to take all the pounding. Lundy caught Schaub's check-downs for two years at UVA and was excellent getting the ball up the field (contrast with Cook and Leach who pretty much get tackled right where they catch it). He's no All-Pro, but he can plug right in and give Schaub another viable target in the passing game.
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Wow...this is probably the best post in this whole thread. +1 Rep.
 
pappy said:
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .
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Chill out!

He has had two drafts and head coached 20 games.

What player did he not select that we missed on in the RB position in those rounds?

Just relax.

Kubiak/Smith can't fix everything all at once. Not mention, a lot of the RB yards you are referrring to come from an offensive line, QB, and play calling working in tandem. The entire system isn't up and running yet for you to make this expectation of a late round draft pick. Last year, we had a turd of QB who was dumping logs in Carolina last Sunday.

The Texans are heading in the right direction, it just takes a little time.

See ya!
 
pappy said:
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .
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Who's expectations? Yours??

My expectations was a better team, better players, better coaching, more wins. The Texans did that last year. This year is only 4 weeks old, still lots of time for expectations of this year to be met.

If you think the people here are nothing but losers, then go somewhere else to stir up crap. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. You could try the Rams, Eagles, Bungals, or Saints boards.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Chill out!

He has had two drafts and head coached 20 games.

What player did he not select that we missed on in the RB position in those rounds?

Just relax.

Kubiak/Smith can't fix everything all at once. Not mention, a lot of the RB yards you are referrring to come from an offensive line, QB, and play calling working in tandem. The entire system isn't up and running yet for you to make this expectation of a late round draft pick. Last year, we had a turd of QB who was dumping logs in Carolina last Sunday.

The Texans are heading in the right direction, it just takes a little time.

See ya!
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Ok i can go here but i am still disappointed so far . Thank you for a civil post at last .
 
pappy said:
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .
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Cap space is a "non issue"? Since when can you bring in quality players - who require a healthy paycheck, btw - when you don't have room on under the cap because of mismanagement by the previous staff?

You are delusional if you think front office decisions have no impact on the product on the field.

I think you are blowing out of your assumption when you generalize the Texans fan base. There was a line of thought that Kubiak could follow the Denver model of using later round RBs to success. But the Bronco mold was always predicated on having a HoF QB like Elway.

However, there were many opposing viewpoints among fans pertaining to this subject. Constantly berating fans with your insults and bleating about some article written in June 2006 serves no purpose.

You are reality challenged, either by nature or by choice. Either way, how about you attempt to discuss the issue instead of offering rather weak smack towards other fans.

While we certainly need a solid, every down RB, these guys don't grow on trees. And they still make due with what they can get at this point, as evidenced by Ron Dayne's career day against Indy last year. We won that game on his 153 rushing yards.

Have some patience and at least try to understand that teams do not operate in a vacuum. Kubiak inherited a team with no depth, a bust for a QB, and a losing attitude in the locker room. Rome wasn't built overnight, and neither will the Houston Texans.
 
pappy said:
And what is your point ? Oh thats right you don't have any .
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And what is your point? Are you trying to point out how annoying and pointless your ramblings are? If so you succeed with flying colors.

Be honest, you are really a Cowboys fan aren't you pappy?
 
pappy said:
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .
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Yeah he did 7TH RD. Chris Taylor IR
 
pappy said:
My point was stated in the topic and it still stands . Kubiak has not lived up to the expectation he would bring in 6th round or lower RB that kicks ass . So the argument of cap space is A non issue as are the last coaches tenure . I am looking for you (or someone else ) to provide a viable counter point but all anyone here is capable of is calling people names . This leaves me thinking that folks here are bigger losers than the texans .
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Well the first year he was coaching he did have a major handicap, casserly was still the GM and Carr was still the QB and the team had no viable #2 WR. Plus a lot of people (self included) thought the O-Line was atrocious.

Rick Smith has been here for one off season and one draft, and he has upgraded depth and did a great job in last years draft. Including the Texans have the Defensive Rookie for the month of Sept.

The Texans now have a QB who understand pocket pressence and is able to find open WR besides AJ and is able to scramble for a 3 yard gain versus running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. With the upgrade at QB, it has atomatically upgraded the O-Line which is evident by less sacks. Also, with the drafting of Jacoby jones and with the immergence of Andre Davis it now appears the Texans do have a solid receiving corps. Plus the DL has stepped up and been a tremendous upgrade over what has ever been.

You threw out the loser comment first, so it was you who started name calling. Also, you have a hard time understanding and/or comprehending what a lot of folks are trying to explain to you or you are just unwilling to. People have brought up a lot of things but you then say cap space is a non-issue. How is it a non-issue? You have to have cap space in order to get FA and upgrade positions. You are taking one position and down grading a coach based upon what you preceive to be something that can be fixed at the snap of a finger.

Seriously, please ask Pat Sajak if you can buy a clue versus buying a vowel, bcause right now you need a clue.
 
whiskeyrbl said:
Yeah he did 7TH RD. Chris Taylor IR
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I did really like this kid but his future is a little uncertain right now . It also looks good for darius walker , he will possibly follow the Chris taylor mold . That being he will be the practice back for the texans till the last game of the season then he will play . It seems that Kubiak has set a standard of requiring RB rookies to do there time as practice backs first .
 
Specnatz said:
Well the first year he was coaching he did have a major handicap, casserly was still the GM and Carr was still the QB and the team had no viable #2 WR. Plus a lot of people (self included) thought the O-Line was atrocious.

Rick Smith has been here for one off season and one draft, and he has upgraded depth and did a great job in last years draft. Including the Texans have the Defensive Rookie for the month of Sept.

The Texans now have a QB who understand pocket pressence and is able to find open WR besides AJ and is able to scramble for a 3 yard gain versus running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. With the upgrade at QB, it has atomatically upgraded the O-Line which is evident by less sacks. Also, with the drafting of Jacoby jones and with the immergence of Andre Davis it now appears the Texans do have a solid receiving corps. Plus the DL has stepped up and been a tremendous upgrade over what has ever been.

You threw out the loser comment first, so it was you who started name calling. Also, you have a hard time understanding and/or comprehending what a lot of folks are trying to explain to you or you are just unwilling to. People have brought up a lot of things but you then say cap space is a non-issue. How is it a non-issue? You have to have cap space in order to get FA and upgrade positions. You are taking one position and down grading a coach based upon what you preceive to be something that can be fixed at the snap of a finger.

Seriously, please ask Pat Sajak if you can buy a clue versus buying a vowel, bcause right now you need a clue.
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I am not discussing FA this is a post concerning what was expected by me and the media that Kubiak would bring into the texans low draft choices of great RB . So far we have two low draft picks or UDFA backs signed by Kubiak and one has since gone to IR . While we have brought in several veterans many in the media and myself consider over the hill (so far). I am asking where is that EyE for talent ?
 
KJ3 said:
bingo.


my favorite points from the best post in this discussion...

it's too bad that you are COMPLETELY ignoring all of the posts directed towards your question. so maybe i'll give it go...

your question is where is kubiak's eye for talented rb's in the later rounds? (i hope you're not just asking in general, as he and his staff have shown GREAT competence in rounds 1-5 for two years straight) first off, there was a great thread about the denver rb myth of rb's that were passed. you should go read it to dispell your belief a little bit. alright so he's taken his shot at wali lundy and chris taylor, right? let's see wali didn't work out very well OMG A 6TH ROUND RB NOT LIGHTING UP YOUR FANTASY BOARD HOLY HELL. and chris taylor, while showing plenty of promise is ON THE IR. 0/2? sure, why not. i'd say more like 0/1.5 until taylor gets cut too.

besides the fact that kubiak and smith have
-turned the frowns upside down in the locker room
-largely upgraded the qb situation
-largely upgraded the wr situation
-largely upgraded the te situation
-not as largely but still huge-ly upgraded the lb situation
-upgraded the o'line, even with unforseen injuries
-upgraded the d'line that will only get better and better (texan droy again?)
-band-aided the secondary with demps and boulware
-band-aided the rb with green and dayne
-drafted o'line, cb, lb, and safeties that still may upgrade their respective positions
-regained confidence from a city that has NO reason to believe in anything from a football team.
-took the seemingly endless abyss of dead cap money, put a nice cork it in and turned it around in 2-3 years
-oh and by the way, they own every mistake they make and seemingly learn from it

but YOU'RE unhappy because we [boobooface]don't have a "later round rb" success story that is pretty unlikely to happen anyway[/boobooface]?

you are f'n nit-picky at best. at worst? you're an f'n a-hole. so suck it.
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wali lundy was a pick from the caserly era rookie first year of Kubiaks tenure :wacko:
 
stinking injuries what can you do :ouch: it was'nt that long ago with little cap flexability Rick Smith was able to lure Green away from GB (who virtually have zero running game- yet they are winning) as the Texans biggest offseason free agency move, so the Texans knew needs but where unwilling to use a high draft pick (Marshawn Lynch) over a young stud interior lineman to assist Mario, Dunta & DeMeco turnaround this defense with youth. They cut Walli Lundy because the negatives (only they know for sure, but he was'nt all that great of special teams player) out weigh the positives so to re-sign Walli Lundy (who I like) back again might be admission of guilt or just not a position that moves the organization forward?

I'm on record as the #1 Rick Smith fan on this board, right here right now I blog before you & defend his moves as in the best interest moving forward, that nobody possess a crystal ball :fortune: Alot of times we as fans are just not privey to all goings on behind the scenes, but make no mistake Rick Smith will improve this team greatly long as he's employed cause he does have a Keen EyE for talent :cowboy1:
 
HJam72 said:
We just have too many needs. We didn't fill any of them when we got Okoye, but who wants to give him up? Thought so.

We don't just need a durable, talented RB.

We also need a talented CB, a durable, talented LT, a ball-hawking FS, and we may even still need a real #2 WR. I know we got AD and JJ, but I suspect they will BOTH turn out to be injury prone. I guess we could have them take turns being injured. Mathis of course is going to sit out if he breaks a nail.
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Agreed. With just about everything you posted.

If it was cartlidge or something, you'd have a point. But it's just a bruse. A bruse which occoured at an inconvient time. Injuries our a part of it. Just like not letting your dobber down after the rabbit you've are chasing for five years pop's you in the mouth.....at home. I mean compaired to St. Louis, we're still in high cotton. Salaam is still up right. Petey wouldn't be sarting if they had no other option. Some of you believe there is...but I'm trusting the coaches on this one. It isn't a question of them backing the guy too long. What they are telling you is this is their best option. And that goes to the point of it...I've seen the hindsight QBing going on...I still take Okoye and J.J. at this point. I think center is going to get there prety quickly also. Pitts, Weary, Salaam, and Erick didn't just become sucky over night. Get beat a couple of times by and elite moss back DE, that's no sin. You're going to lose some match ups. A better running game would of hepled them all out.
And I don't think anyone in here is going to post that Salaam is a Mathews/Munoz type OLT. But Flannagan needs to get the rust off PDQ . The next move will be another major o-line shake up. Under any circumstances, that is not a good thing.


Another little thingy....If we don't stick in that little waggle action into our arsonal off of the fake counter-toss action the falcons ran, I'll be dissappointed in Kubes. I think that's part of the problem . There is a repetiveness to the plays we run. They've ( the league) seen'em...the cat's out of the bag...D's our starting to read our mail. I mean beyound the inuries, when he's healthy Dan Morgan is a prety fair LB. However he's not so good he can read a waggle action at the snap of the ball. He's either a very good guesser or someone is giving the play away befor the snap of the ball.
 
It's not fair to lay all the blame on the RB or HC.
The OL needs to block better for who ever is back there. For some teams that are good at run blocking, it wouldn't matter who was at RB - hell one of the announcers during a game said "that hole was so big I think I could have made it through too" it was really funny because I think it was Madden's fat A$$.
Eric Winston said in his interview after the loss to the Falcons that the Oline needed to do a better job and get a push no matter how many the defense puts in the box, because it's their job to do it.
I just don't think that it is a good idea to blame an individual for a subpar running game - last time I checked this is a team sport and all of our guys need to perform the best that they can to have success in at any phase of the game!
 
threetoedpete said:
Agreed. With just about everything you posted.

If it was cartlidge or something, you'd have a point. But it's just a bruse. A bruse which occoured at an inconvient time. Injuries our a part of it. Just like not letting your dobber down after the rabbit you've are chasing for five years pop's you in the mouth.....at home. I mean compaired to St. Louis, we're still in high cotton. Salaam is still up right. Petey wouldn't be sarting if they had no other option. Some of you believe there is...but I'm trusting the coaches on this one. It isn't a question of them backing the guy too long. What they are telling you is this is their best option. And that goes to the point of it...I've seen the hindsight QBing going on...I still take Okoye and J.J. at this point. I think center is going to get there prety quickly also. Pitts, Weary, Salaam, and Erick didn't just become sucky over night. Get beat a couple of times by and elite moss back DE, that's no sin. You're going to lose some match ups. A better running game would of hepled them all out.
And I don't think anyone in here is going to post that Salaam is a Mathews/Munoz type OLT. But Flannagan needs to get the rust off PDQ . The next move will be another major o-line shake up. Under any circumstances, that is not a good thing.


Another little thingy....If we don't stick in that little waggle action into our arsonal off of the fake counter-toss action the falcons ran, I'll be dissappointed in Kubes. I think that's part of the problem . There is a repetiveness to the plays we run. They've ( the league) seen'em...the cat's out of the bag...D's our starting to read our mail. I mean beyound the inuries, when he's healthy Dan Morgan is a prety fair LB. However he's not so good he can read a waggle action at the snap of the ball. He's either a very good guesser or someone is giving the play away befor the snap of the ball.
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What someone knocking Kubiaks play calling ? I did not go there , just wish the RB problems would be over .
 
beerlover said:
stinking injuries what can you do :ouch: it was'nt that long ago with little cap flexability Rick Smith was able to lure Green away from GB (who virtually have zero running game- yet they are winning) as the Texans biggest offseason free agency move, so the Texans knew needs but where unwilling to use a high draft pick (Marshawn Lynch) over a young stud interior lineman to assist Mario, Dunta & DeMeco turnaround this defense with youth. They cut Walli Lundy because the negatives (only they know for sure, but he was'nt all that great of special teams player) out weigh the positives so to re-sign Walli Lundy (who I like) back again might be admission of guilt or just not a position that moves the organization forward?

I'm on record as the #1 Rick Smith fan on this board, right here right now I blog before you & defend his moves as in the best interest moving forward, that nobody possess a crystal ball :fortune: Alot of times we as fans are just not privey to all goings on behind the scenes, but make no mistake Rick Smith will improve this team greatly long as he's employed cause he does have a Keen EyE for talent :cowboy1:
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Nice sentiments and well spoken to , I do hope your right .
 
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