no excuses for david carr if...

[TexanFanInCC]

1. we have an offensive minded coaching staff (check)
2. we do add john runyan to the OL
3. we draft reggie bush
4. we sign jeb putzier

david carr will have more favorable playcalling, a better line with better blocking schemes, a running game that should be really good, a recieving TE as the safety valve. with the recievers he has, the better blocking, the versitility of reggie bush to be used as a RB or WR, a better recieving FB jameel cook, and the offensive mindfulness of the staff...if david carr is not producing good numbers after week 3, do the texans make a change?? what happens?

 

[HJam72]

1. we have an offensive minded coaching staff (check)
2. we do add john runyan to the OL
3. we draft reggie bush
4. we sign jeb putzier

david carr will have more favorable playcalling, a better line with better blocking schemes, a running game that should be really good, a recieving TE as the safety valve. with the recievers he has, the better blocking, the versitility of reggie bush to be used as a RB or WR, a better recieving FB jameel cook, and the offensive mindfulness of the staff...if david carr is not producing good numbers after week 3, do the texans make a change?? what happens?

Now, wait a minute. Don't forget that we still have to give him 4 more years to see if all this works for him or not.

 

[Coach C.]

No we dont. Bottomline if Carr gets the system he will be successful and if he does not then he wont. Either way in a year or two Kubiak will make the call. I am more worried about the defense. Offense most of the time puts fans in the seats, but defenses win championships. I want hardware baby... All I want is Carr to perform like he did in the first half of the Arizona game against a majority of teams and then sit back and watch the Defense finish the game off.

 

[bkimble]

Dave Carr isn't a good QB, in fact he's one of the worst QB in the league. I don't understand you people. Get real. The two people who think Dave Carr is any good are, Charley C and Bob McNair. Why do we continue make excuses for this guy?

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

Why do we continue make excuses for this guy?

Because some of know he is better than VY, that's why..........

 

[bkimble]

Because some of know he is better than VY, that's why..........

That's crazy! Dave Carr is better than Vince Young? Unbelieveable! Carr is the worst QB in the NFL and VY is the best player in this year's draft period, did you see the Rose Bowl? In two years we'll still be making excuses for Carr and VY will be the leading the Titains to the playoff. And as for as the wonderf___ test, what does a written test has to do with playing football; if you gave that same test to Charley C, he'd likely do well, however, if you asks him to evaluate a football player, lets just see:

1. Dave Carr (the worst qb in the league)
2. Jason Babin (the worst first round pick in football)
3. Phillip Bucannon (worst, period)
Should I go on? Nay, you get the picture.
:brickwall

 

[Marcus]

Because some of know he is better than VY, that's why..........

That's what I love about this board. You go here, and there will always be some guppy that swallows the hook.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

All I want is Carr to perform like he did in the first half of the Arizona game against a majority of teams and then sit back and watch the Defense finish the game off.

So you are asking him to do something more than once and expect him to do so even though he failed doing it a second time in 100 halves of work?

Just because a handy man has an awesome set of tools does not mean he has the most skill.

 

[Bubbajwp]

Come on people Jon Runyan is old overpayed and doesnt fit in our zone blocking scheme at all.

Yes Carr should improve this year but if you expect him to take us to the playoffs next year or even close to it you are sadly mistaken. Yes he has a offensive minded coach and possibly alot more talent around him but its still their first season together. Not a single player on our team knows what our playbook looks like.

 

[OzzO]

bkimble, you're about 2 months too late. The other VY trolls have come and left already.

As for the original post - agree, the excuses stop after this year - assuiming what you noted above happens (or a close similarity - to have better play calling - coach or Carr, better line protection, and a few more recieving weapons). Just like the 2002 season, now is not the best time to bring in a new QB when the Texans have to make sure a majority of the surround pieces are in place first.

If he's not producing after week 3.... there will be questions raised (especially on the MB) but I think they'll stick with Carr longer - but there may be some behind the scenes discussion and possible avenues explored. Of course, depends on what the "production expectation" is. Are those numbers strictly Carr or the entire offense and how they're working together? I think a majority were happy with the steady improvement overall till "that year" happened... if they can get back on that track to where there is that steady improvement again, most will probably be appeased.

 

[thunderkyss]

all I want him to do is stop screwing up.

 

[CanadianTexansFan]

As a Texans fan all the way up north in Canada, I rarely get to see my beloved Texans play. I have seen them in Buffalo this past season, and in that game, Carr was the only one playing with any emotion out there !!!
I may not see him enough to get a really good feel for him, but I like him as a QB, and think he has some real skills, that Coach Kubiak can really bring out.
He just needs a better O line, and play calling, and a runner like Bush to support him. Vince Young would not be a good fit in my opinion. Too many times over-hyped good College QB's fail in the NFL.
So stick with Carr, and make this fan in Canada happy !!!

 

[edo783]

If he has time (3.5-4 sec. in the pocket a consistant 85-90% of the time) and isn't getting crushed in 1.5 seconds, then I expect him to produce. It doesn't matter how good the play call is if ya don't have time to make it work.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

As a Texans fan all the way up north in Canada, I rarely get to see my beloved Texans play. I have seen them in Buffalo this past season, and in that game, Carr was the only one playing with any emotion out there !!!
I may not see him enough to get a really good feel for him, but I like him as a QB, and think he has some real skills, that Coach Kubiak can really bring out.
He just needs a better O line, and play calling, and a runner like Bush to support him. Vince Young would not be a good fit in my opinion. Too many times over-hyped good College QB's fail in the NFL.
So stick with Carr, and make this fan in Canada happy !!!

You were at the Bills game, do you remember the emotional play that is featured in my avatar? It still brings me to tears.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Dave Carr isn't a good QB, in fact he's one of the worst QB in the league. I don't understand you people. Get real. The two people who think Dave Carr is any good are, Charley C and Bob McNair. Why do we continue make excuses for this guy?

You're joking right?


David Carr, when given the chance to run our team (only happened for a half), set a scoring record.

He is far better than Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Joey Harrington, Kurt Warrener or Josh Mckowen, any of the dolphins QB's, whoever Oakland has, who ever the Saints have, whoever the Vikings have, whoever the Cowgirls have, whoever the Bills have....just to name a few off the top of my head.

So outside of your narrow mind, most scouts and professional people alike believe he will be sucessful if given the proper chance.

I've got a test for you, if you feel like anyone can do this. I want you to go stand on 1-10 with a football, when a car is with in 2 yards of you, I want you to take a three step drop. If you last 1.5 seconds, you can consider yourself lucky and you might be able to roll out into the next lane of traffic.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

He is far better than Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Joey Harrington, Kurt Warrener or Josh Mckowen, any of the dolphins QB's, whoever Oakland has, who ever the Saints have, whoever the Vikings have, whoever the Cowgirls have, whoever the Bills have....just to name a few off the top of my head.

Hold on a second professor. Is this your insight based on perfomance, forecast or hopecast? Far better? Check yourself before you wreck yourself. This is a bad arguement if you do not qualify, define and provide teeth.

 

[jerek]

Dave Carr isn't a good QB, in fact he's one of the worst QB in the league. I don't understand you people. Get real. The two people who think Dave Carr is any good are, Charley C and Bob McNair. Why do we continue make excuses for this guy?

Me three. At least your otherwise lame argument was brief.

 

[Joe Texan]

Regardless of if he is good or a deer in headlights we will be seeing David Carr on the feild. We will be seeing Vince Young 2 time a year here and in tennessee. It will really get my goat if VY gets the ring for Bud But Knowing that VY is a Houstonian he just might tank the first 4 years and come to us when David has worn out his welcome. But untill then David Carr is the captian of this team and untill he is dethroned he will have my support. We are not getting Vince from what I hear from the people who know. So get ready for some Reggie ball and hang on. It will be a ride worth riding.

Go Texans

 

[Frills]

That's crazy! Dave Carr is better than Vince Young? Unbelieveable! Carr is the worst QB in the NFL and VY is the best player in this year's draft period, did you see the Rose Bowl?

I heard about him at the combine...6 oops an astounding 16...I saw him at the White House...someone forgot muh suit...

The way he prepares and has great people around him is superb.

In college he could get away with talent alone, college isn't the NFL.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Hold on a second professor. Is this your insight based on perfomance, forecast or hopecast? Far better? Check yourself before you wreck yourself. This is a bad arguement if you do not qualify, define and provide teeth.

I was basing my opinion on a few things: Watching the other teams QB's play, not just their team. Other team's fan base input that I've read. Professional's opinions and articles. But yes, I did throw in some of my own opinion. This is pre-FA. I dare yall to find a QB on any team I listed, pre-FA, who is better than Carr.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Me three. At least your otherwise lame argument was brief.

Four, and its the same argument we argued against 2 months ago jerek.

 

[TexanFanInCC]

i think alot of u are missing the point of this thread. i dont know why we are talking about vince young. what im trying to get to is that this coming season will be david carr's "joey harrington" year. carr SHOULD have all the pieces in place now. (a recieving TE, better o-line, versitilie reggie bush as a RB or WR, and more safety blankets in passing game and fast guys to go down the field. if carr isnt producing numbers, then would the texans let rosenfels get a snap or 2?? do the texans decide they want to draft a QB in later rounds. i have gotten the impression that david carr makes excuses and is quick to blame everything on bad protection (which has been an issue, but not always) carr needs to show me that he wont take more than 6 seconds to find a wide open reciever. there were plenty of times last yr when the commentators would put alot of emphasis on carrs failure to find guys down the middle of the field wide open b4 eventually scrambling out of bounds.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

i think alot of u are missing the point of this thread. i dont know why we are talking about vince young. what im trying to get to is that this coming season will be david carr's "joey harrington" year. carr SHOULD have all the pieces in place now. (a recieving TE, better o-line, versitilie reggie bush as a RB or WR, and more safety blankets in passing game and fast guys to go down the field. if carr isnt producing numbers, then would the texans let rosenfels get a snap or 2?? do the texans decide they want to draft a QB in later rounds. i have gotten the impression that david carr makes excuses and is quick to blame everything on bad protection (which has been an issue, but not always) carr needs to show me that he wont take more than 6 seconds to find a wide open reciever. there were plenty of times last yr when the commentators would put alot of emphasis on carrs failure to find guys down the middle of the field wide open b4 eventually scrambling out of bounds.

I want you to go read a manual on "rocket science." Then I want you to remember it for 4 years. Now, I want you to forget every piece of that and learn this new manual, "Complete Organic Chemistry." I want you to digest this and be ready to recite it on que in 2 months. Ready, GO!!

Get off him people. He will show more sucess but to think he will be perfect is a joke. He is here 3 more years regardless. But yes, he will show improvement when given some protection.


When was the last time you EVER saw Carr with 6 seconds to throw the ball? 7 on 7 does not count.

 

[whiskeyrbl]

bkimble, you're about 2 months too late. The other VY trolls have come and left already.

As for the original post - agree, the excuses stop after this year - assuiming what you noted above happens (or a close similarity - to have better play calling - coach or Carr, better line protection, and a few more recieving weapons). Just like the 2002 season, now is not the best time to bring in a new QB when the Texans have to make sure a majority of the surround pieces are in place first.

If he's not producing after week 3.... there will be questions raised (especially on the MB) but I think they'll stick with Carr longer - but there may be some behind the scenes discussion and possible avenues explored. Of course, depends on what the "production expectation" is. Are those numbers strictly Carr or the entire offense and how they're working together? I think a majority were happy with the steady improvement overall till "that year" happened... if they can get back on that track to where there is that steady improvement again, most will probably be appeased.

I agree after this year no more excuses,week 3 will be to early to tell how he runs this new offense plus lets see who our first 3 opponents are,you know good D's disrupt good O's.I say give him at least 3/4 of the games .

 

[thunderkyss]

You're joking right?


David Carr, when given the chance to run our team (only happened for a half), set a scoring record.

He is far better than Kyle Boller, Alex Smith, Joey Harrington, Kurt Warrener or Josh Mckowen, any of the dolphins QB's, whoever Oakland has, who ever the Saints have, whoever the Vikings have, whoever the Cowgirls have, whoever the Bills have....just to name a few off the top of my head.

So outside of your narrow mind, most scouts and professional people alike believe he will be sucessful if given the proper chance.

I've got a test for you, if you feel like anyone can do this. I want you to go stand on 1-10 with a football, when a car is with in 2 yards of you, I want you to take a three step drop. If you last 1.5 seconds, you can consider yourself lucky and you might be able to roll out into the next lane of traffic.

I'd take Drew Bledsoe, Kurt Warner, and Dante Culpepper any day.

You do know that in a 3 step drop, there is no reading right?? when the third foot hits the ground, the ball comes out...... The reciever is either there, or he isn't. he is open, or he isn't. The incomplete pass, the interception is his fault, not the QBs..... So with that in mind, if David Carr is sacked on a three step/1 step drop, he held the ball too long.

 

[Lucky]

You do know that in a 3 step drop, there is no reading right?

The QB still has to read the safety. You can't just throw an interception if the play's not there. You have to eat the ball or make something happen.

 

[texan279]

1. we have an offensive minded coaching staff (check)
2. we do add john runyan to the OL
3. we draft reggie bush
4. we sign jeb putzier

david carr will have more favorable playcalling, a better line with better blocking schemes, a running game that should be really good, a recieving TE as the safety valve. with the recievers he has, the better blocking, the versitility of reggie bush to be used as a RB or WR, a better recieving FB jameel cook, and the offensive mindfulness of the staff...if david carr is not producing good numbers after week 3, do the texans make a change?? what happens?

Do you really think that with our brand new coaching staff and first time head coach, by adding a 32 year old right tackle, a rookie RB, and a so-so TE, that if Carr doesn't produce stellar numbers by week 3 he should be benched? Don't forget we still don't have a #2 WR. The draft isn't even here and people are already talking about benching Carr...

 

[texan279]

That's crazy! Dave Carr is better than Vince Young? Unbelieveable! Carr is the worst QB in the NFL and VY is the best player in this year's draft period, did you see the Rose Bowl? In two years we'll still be making excuses for Carr and VY will be the leading the Titains to the playoff. And as for as the wonderf___ test, what does a written test has to do with playing football; if you gave that same test to Charley C, he'd likely do well, however, if you asks him to evaluate a football player, lets just see:

1. Dave Carr (the worst qb in the league)
2. Jason Babin (the worst first round pick in football)
3. Phillip Bucannon (worst, period)
Should I go on? Nay, you get the picture.
:brickwall

Kind of a stretch there calling Carr the worst QB in the league and Babin the worst 1st round pick in football eh? I guess we could always bring in Joey Harrington, Josh McCown, or Aaron Brooks to replace Carr.

 

[AustinJB]

Kind of a stretch there calling Carr the worst QB in the league and Babin the worst 1st round pick in football eh? I guess we could always bring in Joey Harrington, Josh McCown, or Aaron Brooks to replace Carr.

I guess we could....they probably wouldn't be an upgrade over Carr, but they wouldn't be any worse either....and w/ the exception of Harrington, they'd all be cheaper.

I know you're being sarcastic, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of us feel like Carr is on the same level as the QBs you mentioned. He may not be worse than them, but he's not any better at this point either IMO. He hasn't proven anything...what makes you think he is a better QB than those that you mentioned? Is it potential? Or is it simply the fact that "if you pay a QB that much money, he has to be good?"

 

[Mycco]

Dave Carr isn't a good QB, in fact he's one of the worst QB in the league. I don't understand you people. Get real. The two people who think Dave Carr is any good are, Charley C and Bob McNair. Why do we continue make excuses for this guy?

I'll cut for Carr. His potentlial is still untapped, b/c nobody on our O-line can remember a snap cound or block a parked car. You've seen what he can do w/ a little time in the pocket and it's pretty dam good if you ask me or anyone who actually sits through the 3 hours of beatings he took week to week. I soppose you would've drafted Joey Harrington....Get Real!

 

[texan279]

I guess we could....they probably wouldn't be an upgrade over Carr, but they wouldn't be any worse either....and w/ the exception of Harrington, they'd all be cheaper.

I know you're being sarcastic, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of us feel like Carr is on the same level as the QBs you mentioned. He may not be worse than them, but he's not any better at this point either IMO. He hasn't proven anything...what makes you think he is a better QB than those that you mentioned? Is it potential? Or is it simply the fact that "if you pay a QB that much money, he has to be good?"

What makes you think he's worse or on the same level as any of the guys I mentioned?

 

[el toro]

Carr has the talent, he just has not had the time. There's not really any way else to cut it. Kubiak worked wonders for Plummer, I don't see why we should assume that Carr won't benefit from his coaching. Obviously Kubiak has seen something salvageable in Carr. On most 3 step drops a defender already had 2 steps on him. Patience.

 

[run-david-run]

So you are asking him to do something more than once and expect him to do so even though he failed doing it a second time in 100 halves of work?

Just because a handy man has an awesome set of tools does not mean he has the most skill.

You know what the one special thing about the Arizona game, or rather, the Arizona first half? It wasn't the 24 points in the 2nd quarter, it wasnt the fact that we won, it was the fact that DC called the plays at the line of scrimmage, not Pendry, not Palmer, not Capers. How many other times has he done that?

By the way, in the second half, when Pendry took back the playcalling, we went three and out the first 3 times we had the ball and the only reason we scored another point is because Babin forced a fumble deep in Arizona territory.

And now you know the rest of the story....

 

[Ibar_Harry]

You know what the one special thing about the Arizona game, or rather, the Arizona first half? It wasn't the 24 points in the 2nd quarter, it wasnt the fact that we won, it was the fact that DC called the plays at the line of scrimmage, not Pendry, not Palmer, not Capers. How many other times has he done that?

By the way, in the second half, when Pendry took back the playcalling, we went three and out the first 3 times we had the ball and the only reason we scored another point is because Babin forced a fumble deep in Arizona territory.

And now you know the rest of the story....

I believe from what we know that was the 1 and only 1 time he was allowed to do that and as stated once he was successful they immediately said no more. Is Carr capable of calling his own plays? I don't think anyone knows. What impressed me about that session was the fact that the players came back to the huddle offering insights and suggestions based on what was going on. They felt they were a part of the team. What they did ment something. It allowed Carr to adjust and of course the results were there. It was like the old times and Payton Manning style.

No, I'm not saying Carr is Manning, but I have always believed that the QB is the one who should be calling the plays. Occasional calls by the bench are understandable, but the QB is the leader and he sees the field from his perspective. The press box perspective is different from the QB's. What might look open from the press box might not look open to the QB. After all the defense is set up to make it difficult for the QB to be successful including such things as getting between the receiver and the QB to make it difficult to see the receiver.

 

[Tulip]

There isn't any more slack in David Carr's rope - regardless of who the other 10 guys on the field are.

 

[thunderkyss]

You know what the one special thing about the Arizona game, or rather, the Arizona first half? It wasn't the 24 points in the 2nd quarter, it wasnt the fact that we won, it was the fact that DC called the plays at the line of scrimmage, not Pendry, not Palmer, not Capers. How many other times has he done that?

By the way, in the second half, when Pendry took back the playcalling, we went three and out the first 3 times we had the ball and the only reason we scored another point is because Babin forced a fumble deep in Arizona territory.

And now you know the rest of the story....

I thought it was the Saint Louis Game that David Called the plays in the first half....... or was it all the games we scored more than 14 points that David Called the plays??

 

[infantrycak]

I thought it was the Saint Louis Game that David Called the plays in the first half....... or was it all the games we scored more than 14 points that David Called the plays??

It was the Arizona game. Yet another example of mixed evidence--the Texans' greatest one half of scoring offense called by Carr (using the existing playbook) but against a sketchy D--although they were top half of the league in passing D and 24 points was just .2 points less than they normally gave up in a game.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

sorry to sound so pesimistic but Even if David had T.O Marvin harrison and randy moss and the KC chiefs O-line some of the posters on this MB would find a way to blame everyone but carr personally i hope if we are going to be stuck with David i hope he succeeds but im kind of dissapointed so far with our moves i dont see anything yet to help david out.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

sorry to sound so pesimistic but Even if David had T.O Marvin harrison and randy moss and the KC chiefs O-line some of the posters on this MB would find a way to blame everyone but carr personally i hope if we are going to be stuck with David i hope he succeeds but im kind of dissapointed so far with our moves i dont see anything yet to help david out.

i'm sure kubiak has it all figured out, lets just see what he does before we jump the gun.

 

[infantrycak]

sorry to sound so pesimistic but Even if David had T.O Marvin harrison and randy moss and the KC chiefs O-line some of the posters on this MB would find a way to blame everyone but carr personally i hope if we are going to be stuck with David i hope he succeeds but im kind of dissapointed so far with our moves i dont see anything yet to help david out.

Great post because it displays that some posters on this MB assume even if Carr had TO, Harrison, Moss and the KC OL there would be a need to blame someone. How about entertaining the chance Carr might be at least decent if the system and surrounding cast were well managed?

That said, I agree I am underwhelmed by their moves so far. I'm disappointed they didn't make a run at Antonio Bryant (69 rec, 1009 yds)--a cheap much better athlete than Givens (59 rec. 738 yds). Weaver seems solid, but a cap error--can't see the upgrade worth $5+ mil in dead space for Walker plus his contract. No moves on a CB. No moves on an ILB. A speculative FB and a back up QB--whoohoo.

 

[thunderkyss]

Great post because it displays that some posters on this MB assume even if Carr had TO, Harrison, Moss and the KC OL there would be a need to blame someone. How about entertaining the chance Carr might be at least decent if the system and surrounding cast were well managed?

If our kicker kept missing from inside the 30, I'd blame the kicker for missing field goals from inside the 30. If our Offensive line looked unprepared and confused, I'd blame the offensive line for looking unprepared and confused. If our Wide Recievers dropped balls, I'd blame or Wide REcievers for dropping balls. If our running back kept fumbling the ball, I'd blame our running back for fumbling the ball.


If I can find one good reason to pay our QB an $8mil bonus, plus $5.25mil a year, then I'd pay him an $8mil bonus, and $5.25 mil/yr.

You might find it odd, but I think Signing Sage Rosenfell(sp) might have been the best thing we could do to fix our Offensive Line.

 

[tulexan]

If our kicker kept missing from inside the 30, I'd blame the kicker for missing field goals from inside the 30. If our Offensive line looked unprepared and confused, I'd blame the offensive line for looking unprepared and confused. If our Wide Recievers dropped balls, I'd blame or Wide REcievers for dropping balls. If our running back kept fumbling the ball, I'd blame our running back for fumbling the ball.

Except for the running backs fumbling. All of this pretty much happened.

 

[infantrycak]

If our kicker kept missing from inside the 30, I'd blame the kicker for missing field goals from inside the 30. If our Offensive line looked unprepared and confused, I'd blame the offensive line for looking unprepared and confused. If our Wide Recievers dropped balls, I'd blame or Wide REcievers for dropping balls. If our running back kept fumbling the ball, I'd blame our running back for fumbling the ball.


If I can find one good reason to pay our QB an $8mil bonus, plus $5.25mil a year, then I'd pay him an $8mil bonus, and $5.25 mil/yr.

You might find it odd, but I think Signing Sage Rosenfell(sp) might have been the best thing we could do to fix our Offensive Line.

I'm sorry, I fail to see how the above responds to my post in any fashion. By the way, those IF's above were reality last year--yet another example of what I was posting about.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

Except for the running backs fumbling. All of this pretty much happened.

DD at one point used to be a fumbling machine he had a bad little streak for about 3 or 4 straight games but hell that was about 2 seasons ago.

 

[tulexan]

OK fine. then all of what thunderkyss said happened. I don't know where he was going with that one.

 

[infantrycak]

DD at one point used to be a fumbling machine he had a bad little streak for about 3 or 4 straight games but hell that was about 2 seasons ago.

It was the 1st 2 games of 2004 and then he went thru the rest of the season and into 2005 without a fumble.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm sorry, I fail to see how the above responds to my post in any fashion. By the way, those IF's above were reality last year--yet another example of what I was posting about.

Great post because it displays that some posters on this MB assume even if Carr had TO, Harrison, Moss and the KC OL there would be a need to blame someone. How about entertaining the chance Carr might be at least decent if the system and surrounding cast were well managed?

That said, I agree I am underwhelmed by their moves so far. I'm disappointed they didn't make a run at Antonio Bryant (69 rec, 1009 yds)--a cheap much better athlete than Givens (59 rec. 738 yds). Weaver seems solid, but a cap error--can't see the upgrade worth $5+ mil in dead space for Walker plus his contract. No moves on a CB. No moves on an ILB. A speculative FB and a back up QB--whoohoo.

The first part of this post sounds like you believe people are throwing blame, just because they can..... that there is no reason to put blame on a certain individual.

That some of us are picking on Carr.

 

[thunderkyss]

OK fine. then all of what thunderkyss said happened. I don't know where he was going with that one.

I wasn't trying to pick apart our season... I wasn't even trying to talk about the Texans..... I was just picking out things we can blame individuals for.


Like in the instance of David Carr.

While there are some who throw out accusations and exagerrations, simply because they want to draft Vince.

Then there are others who are honest about Carr's progression. Where he is, and where he should be.

Some folks Blame Carr, for our 2-12 season. Some believe he sacked himself. Some believe he has some room for improvement. Others believe he's got a long way to go.

Then there are those who think he is God incarnate, without flaw.

 

[tulexan]

If our kicker kept missing from inside the 30, I'd blame the kicker for missing field goals from inside the 30. If our Offensive line looked unprepared and confused, I'd blame the offensive line for looking unprepared and confused. If our Wide Recievers dropped balls, I'd blame or Wide REcievers for dropping balls.

If I can find one good reason to pay our QB an $8mil bonus, plus $5.25mil a year, then I'd pay him an $8mil bonus, and $5.25 mil/yr.

You want one good reason? You just listed 3 good reasons. All of those reasons (and more) are why our record is 2-14.

 

[texan279]

If our kicker kept missing from inside the 30, I'd blame the kicker for missing field goals from inside the 30. If our Offensive line looked unprepared and confused, I'd blame the offensive line for looking unprepared and confused. If our Wide Recievers dropped balls, I'd blame or Wide REcievers for dropping balls. If our running back kept fumbling the ball, I'd blame our running back for fumbling the ball.


If I can find one good reason to pay our QB an $8mil bonus, plus $5.25mil a year, then I'd pay him an $8mil bonus, and $5.25 mil/yr.

You might find it odd, but I think Signing Sage Rosenfell(sp) might have been the best thing we could do to fix our Offensive Line.

Our kicker did miss several chip shots last season, our wide receivers did drop balls last season (AJ and Bradford), and our offensive line did look unprepared and confused, and about 98% of the hate I see on this board is towards Carr himself. I am the only one from what I have read that has ever posted anything about AJ dropping balls last season and got no reponse, I take that back I think I got one response from someone who said it was ok for AJ to drop balls because he has been in the pro bowl before . Some here for whatever reason try and use Carr as the scapegoat for our TEAM. Seems whenever we lose for the most part people around here place the blame on Carr, no matter how bad the defense played, no matter how many balls were dropped, no matter how bad the offensive line played. I understand that most of the time in the NFL the QB is supposed to be "the face" or "the leader" of the team, but we cannot place 100% of this team's past failure on David Carr.