2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Expert? Far from it but pads are not that big and there would be no logical reason it would not fit in a bag the size of a human hand, even a small one.
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No Bags/Purses to Games
- Thread starter infantrycak
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Expert? Far from it but pads are not that big and there would be no logical reason it would not fit in a bag the size of a human hand, even a small one.
PapaL
Loose Screw
And the battle is no longer being fought on one front vs one enemy. Sun Tzu was a mastermind in that case. Alas the battle front has changed.
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.
― Mike Tyson
Are you going to keep getting punched in the face or are you going to stop it?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
LOL, you just proved yourself massively ignorant and TKO'd yourself. Have a good day.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Yeah that's right. The Taliban is just lining up their army, waiting to fight us on on a ground no one can beat us at. Yeah, I'm the ignorant one.
mattieuk
All Pro
I personally don't have an issue with them trying to protect people's security.
I do have an issue with them creating a 'security policy' that is in my opinion, an incredibly transparent cash grab.
If they were interested in security of the fans, they'd be implementing high tech x-ray machines like those seen at airports for your bags - not charging $10 for a bag which is going to be landfill fodder before the end of the season.
The NFL has created a security policy here that maximizes their profit margin, not one that keeps the fans safest.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Went straight over your head again. No your ignorance is in asserting Sun Tzu is about set piece battles. Good day.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
With all of these terrorists and coward killers shooting places up and looking to hurt innocent people by the dozens, well I"m okay with this measure. Sure it sucks, and I don't like it, but it is something I am willing to live with considering what I could potentially be faced with by some nut job.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Really? What about the mass of people at the gates getting in? Any nut job could go nuts there. Or the parking lots, or movie theater or crowded restaurant or Wal-Mart or the art car parade or the zoo and on and on and on.
Might as well lock ourselves up in our houses and never leave the way some are reacting here.
And again, if the measures the Texans were taking were indeed about safety, then maybe it wouldn't be all that bad. But as I pointed out earlier, the measures they've put in place up to this point have been a joke. And it still leaves the masses of people gathered at the gates and parking lots "unprotected". What about then? Any nut job could go nuts there as well.
You are not going to stop nut jobs from going nuts. It hasn't happened at a pro sporting event yet but in the world we live in it probably will someday. It never happened at a marathon before until it did. Never happened at a movie theater until it did. No one ever drove a plane into a skyscraper until they did....it's a ****ed up world with ****ed up people. And a tiny clear bag isn't going to stop those ****ed up people from doing ****ed up things.
If the NFL really cared about fan safety, they would surround each stadium with 3-4 of these:
Because it has happened before that someone crashed a small plane into a building:
(IRS building, Austin, Tx, February 2010)
It would not take much. Just go to a local airport and learn how to take off.
Since the logic is that NFL security policy needs to change because of the Boston Marathon bombing, then the NFL needs to show that they are prepared for ALL potential terrorist attacks a by protecting stadiums full of thousands of fans.
Oh snap, just realized how expensive the above measures would be for the NFL and it's franchises, so nix that idea. Protecting fans is all and good as long as it doesn't cost too much.
Because it has happened before that someone crashed a small plane into a building:
(IRS building, Austin, Tx, February 2010)
It would not take much. Just go to a local airport and learn how to take off.
Since the logic is that NFL security policy needs to change because of the Boston Marathon bombing, then the NFL needs to show that they are prepared for ALL potential terrorist attacks a by protecting stadiums full of thousands of fans.
Oh snap, just realized how expensive the above measures would be for the NFL and it's franchises, so nix that idea. Protecting fans is all and good as long as it doesn't cost too much.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There are all sorts of free measures they can use to protect us. For instance once you leave the parking lots (because your safety is apparently not important there) you must remove your shoes and underwear.
Hey it's cool. After all you have been told in advance and that makes everything OK.
PS - what is up with the bizarro world of the parking lots. They let you in specifically for the purpose of getting too drunk to drive and then have police help guide your drunk butt out - please throw away that 20th beer now the public roads are right over here. There is zero security. You could drive a truck full of semtex and ball bearings in without a 2nd glance and now women can't carry anything close to an ordinary sized handbag into the stadium.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
C-4 plastic explosive can be easily molded in creative unrecognizable forms and or hidden in many ways. If a group of group of persons got together, with each bringing smaller pieces of the substance along with separate components of a detonator, the components could be assembled once inside the stadium. Massive damage, morbidities and casualties could affected at any stadium. This new policy would not preclude the possibility of such a potentially devastating event.
AggieTexan
Practice Squad
*The Texans were handing out Ziplock bags as people came into the parking lot this morning. Inside each was a flyer explaining the policy, but nothing was said by the parking lot attendants.
*Many people didn't know what the bag was for and didn't look at what was inside.
*There were lots of people in line carrying big bags. They weren't turned back until they got to the front of the line.
*Full bag check and wanding to get into training camp.
*No clear bags yet at the Go Texans Store. The people in there weren't aware that the Texans are going to distribute bags to season ticket holders.
*Many people didn't know what the bag was for and didn't look at what was inside.
*There were lots of people in line carrying big bags. They weren't turned back until they got to the front of the line.
*Full bag check and wanding to get into training camp.
*No clear bags yet at the Go Texans Store. The people in there weren't aware that the Texans are going to distribute bags to season ticket holders.
rush2112mn
Rookie
I found a website that has clear bags that are nfl stadium requirements.......www.clear-handbags.com 13 different types of bags that will pass the requirements......just thought I would pass that along.....
Texans will not have a handbag for sale until Sep sometime.....at their texan store.....
Nfl.com has other teams for sale ...but no texans bag.....wtf?
Texans will not have a handbag for sale until Sep sometime.....at their texan store.....
Nfl.com has other teams for sale ...but no texans bag.....wtf?
We ALREADY had "better than nothing". We didn't always have the cursory pat-downs, but bags were...wait for it...already opened up and looked in.
What's the "new" policy? They still look in bags, except when they don't.
Here's a "real life" example for you:
I went to TC on Monday before work.
Knowing in advance that they were going to make a token attempt to enforce the new bag policy, I took a one-gallon Ziploc with a jersey and other items in it.
As the jersey fits only with careful folding, it essentially made the "clear walls" of the bag pointless. All you could see was jersey.
Did they "search" this bag?
Nope. They passed a wand over it and sent me on my way.
That's actually LESS safe than searching my old, larger opaque bag.
So the NFL knee-jerks to a terrorist attack that the nation's greatest law enforcement agency admits it could not have prevented.
hmmmm....
apartment gates!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
eriadoc
Texan-American
The message is clear - NFL stadiums are no place for women. Or babies. Or people with medical supplies. Or anyone with self respect and values they stand for.
This year's opener will probably be the last game I attend. As long as y'all keep going, I can watch it on TV though, so disregard any salient points that were made in this thread.
This year's opener will probably be the last game I attend. As long as y'all keep going, I can watch it on TV though, so disregard any salient points that were made in this thread.
robroy72
Rookie
Well... the baby is a person ... does it get a bag?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That's a good question. So I contacted the Texans........they related to me that the baby is counted as a person when allotting bag count.......................................................................................and (after I asked) that size of the the baby's hand will not act as the criteria for the size of a clutch purse the baby can carry in.:kubepalm::wadepalm:
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
I had decided to stay out of this discussion, BUT, it's football season and I AM a woman, so here's my opinion, for what it's worth!
I understand the ban, and support it completely! Here's why. We're talking about approx FOUR hours out of a game day that a person will be without all the STUFF they think they can't live without. That's not a very long time, and where there's a will there's a way. I can shove everything I need into my pockets, or into a clear bag. IF a baby needs more than a couple diapers, or one bottle of milk during that four hours then maybe that baby needs to be under a Doc's care or home with a babysitter, not at a football game!! Pads and tampons are EASY to hide, and again, if you need to use more that 2 during a four hr time frame then you might want to consider seeing a GYN! For old timers like me, I will take my meds BEFORE I go to the game or put them in one of those cute little containers they have for medications these days. You don't have to take the entire, huge bottle of pills to a game!! I just think fans are making more out of this than they need to.. All ya gotta do is plan for the time you're inside the stadium, not the entire time you are on the premises. Safety should always come first! JMO!
I understand the ban, and support it completely! Here's why. We're talking about approx FOUR hours out of a game day that a person will be without all the STUFF they think they can't live without. That's not a very long time, and where there's a will there's a way. I can shove everything I need into my pockets, or into a clear bag. IF a baby needs more than a couple diapers, or one bottle of milk during that four hours then maybe that baby needs to be under a Doc's care or home with a babysitter, not at a football game!! Pads and tampons are EASY to hide, and again, if you need to use more that 2 during a four hr time frame then you might want to consider seeing a GYN! For old timers like me, I will take my meds BEFORE I go to the game or put them in one of those cute little containers they have for medications these days. You don't have to take the entire, huge bottle of pills to a game!! I just think fans are making more out of this than they need to.. All ya gotta do is plan for the time you're inside the stadium, not the entire time you are on the premises. Safety should always come first! JMO!
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
Think I can get a Texan's logo on one of these? I plan on loading up my clear plastic bag with all sorts of fun items.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Even if we completely agree with that statement, this measure does nothing to actually enhance safety.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Think I can get a Texan's logo on one of these? I plan on loading up my clear plastic bag with all sorts of fun items.
Lipstick?????????..........Oops, just touched.........and it started making funny vibrating noises........
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Though I don't disagree with most of what you say, I think the NFL is making more out of it than they need to.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
I agree with you Speedy! The NFL is slowly ruining game day experience for everyone. Players can't celebrate, fans can't bring in noise makers, (still miss my cowbell,) and the cost of going to the game can equal a car note. I truly believe there is NO way to prevent a major terrorist attack if some group really wants to pull it off. But, if this new rule makes just one of them think twice then it will be worth it. I understand all the opinions, pro and con, but, for me personally, I refuse to allow this rule to ruin my day. I'll just stick my tube of carmax, glasses, phone, and a few bucks in my pocket and head on in to the stadium to support my team. They OWN me for the three hours they're on that football field! I'll comb my hair and put on makeup when I get back to the tailgate!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I agree with you Speedy! The NFL is slowly ruining game day experience for everyone. Players can't celebrate, fans can't bring in noise makers, (still miss my cowbell,) and the cost of going to the game can equal a car note. I truly believe there is NO way to prevent a major terrorist attack if some group really wants to pull it off. But, if this new rule makes just one of them think twice then it will be worth it. I understand all the opinions, pro and con, but, for me personally, I refuse to allow this rule to ruin my day. I'll just stick my tube of carmax, glasses, phone, and a few bucks in my pocket and head on in to the stadium to support my team. They OWN me for the three hours they're on that football field! I'll comb my hair and put on makeup when I get back to the tailgate!
I did some digging and couldn't find any provisions for not being able to wear cargo pants or cargo shorts (multiple large front and back compartments). Looks like no-one's thought of that yet. Could solve a good many problems for many fans, especially the females.
DoCRoN
Waterboy
I don't have a strong opinion on this, we'll make it work whatever the rule, but I will summarize how my wife feels:
We've got a 2 year old and 5 year old. The oldest has been to every game (apart from pre-season) since she was 8 weeks old. The youngest has done the same, as well as the game at Denver last year. We bought our 4 PSLs before we had any kids, with the dream of having 2 kids and going to Texans games as an awesome family tradition.
Who does this rule really impact the most? Families such as ours. Diapers, wipes, and bottles... sure, those are what kids "essentially" need. However, realistically, it's so much more than that...
Potty accidents are very likely, which means a change of clothes for each. How about my boy, who's learning to eat and fighting through some gag reflex problems? He's got a menu of about 4 or 5 food items that he'll stomach, that's it. Reliant doesn't sell those, so I need to pack a few of those things. Maybe that's "medical exemption" worthy, but what does that require... a doctor's note? That's not something we would normally carry with us...
Is it realistic to think my kids will be watching the game for 3 hours? Nope.... a book here, an ipod there, maybe a few toys... And how about walking from the yellow lot? My oldest rides on my shoulders, I'm sure the youngest will this year too (mine or the wife's). It's much more feasible for me to strap on a backpack than to try and carry a 12x12x6 handbag.
I'm sure there are plenty of other things I'm forgetting. I'm a guy. I'm expressing some of what the wife mentioned (what I can remember).
I know this isn't the "typical" experience for most fans. Some of you, hell many of you may feel, "pssshh, leave the kids at home". I'll bet 8 years ago I woulda said the same thing.
The thing is, me and the wife love football and we love the Texans. Ever since the Oilers left, and I went out of state for school and eventually work, I told myself...if I ever find myself back in the Houston area, I'm getting season tickets to the Texans and I'm going to every damn game. Life changes be damned, we (as a family) are going to every damn game.
If that means doing something as absurd as bringing an iPod so that my 2-year-old can watch flippin' Caillou for 30 minutes to keep him happy... that's what we do. It's like a mini version of a home play area in our 4 seats. We try to minimize fan interference around us. It's an exhausting 8 or 9 outings a year (we tailgate before and after as well), different than most other fans' experience.
To wrap this up, what we do is crazy to many (often myself included). And I understand we are probably in the vast minority, and rules aren't made for the vast minority. Will we make this new rule work? Sure, we'll adapt. But it just seems like an unnecessary step for families with children, who often have to (choose to?) haul around a bunch of crap everywhere they go. Exempt medical. Exempt families with small children. (If there's another obvious special-needs group I'm missing, exempt them too.) Give us a special line that takes much longer to go through, if needed. Don't make doing something we love more of a challenge than it needs to be.
We've got a 2 year old and 5 year old. The oldest has been to every game (apart from pre-season) since she was 8 weeks old. The youngest has done the same, as well as the game at Denver last year. We bought our 4 PSLs before we had any kids, with the dream of having 2 kids and going to Texans games as an awesome family tradition.
Who does this rule really impact the most? Families such as ours. Diapers, wipes, and bottles... sure, those are what kids "essentially" need. However, realistically, it's so much more than that...
Potty accidents are very likely, which means a change of clothes for each. How about my boy, who's learning to eat and fighting through some gag reflex problems? He's got a menu of about 4 or 5 food items that he'll stomach, that's it. Reliant doesn't sell those, so I need to pack a few of those things. Maybe that's "medical exemption" worthy, but what does that require... a doctor's note? That's not something we would normally carry with us...
Is it realistic to think my kids will be watching the game for 3 hours? Nope.... a book here, an ipod there, maybe a few toys... And how about walking from the yellow lot? My oldest rides on my shoulders, I'm sure the youngest will this year too (mine or the wife's). It's much more feasible for me to strap on a backpack than to try and carry a 12x12x6 handbag.
I'm sure there are plenty of other things I'm forgetting. I'm a guy. I'm expressing some of what the wife mentioned (what I can remember).
I know this isn't the "typical" experience for most fans. Some of you, hell many of you may feel, "pssshh, leave the kids at home". I'll bet 8 years ago I woulda said the same thing.
The thing is, me and the wife love football and we love the Texans. Ever since the Oilers left, and I went out of state for school and eventually work, I told myself...if I ever find myself back in the Houston area, I'm getting season tickets to the Texans and I'm going to every damn game. Life changes be damned, we (as a family) are going to every damn game.
If that means doing something as absurd as bringing an iPod so that my 2-year-old can watch flippin' Caillou for 30 minutes to keep him happy... that's what we do. It's like a mini version of a home play area in our 4 seats. We try to minimize fan interference around us. It's an exhausting 8 or 9 outings a year (we tailgate before and after as well), different than most other fans' experience.
To wrap this up, what we do is crazy to many (often myself included). And I understand we are probably in the vast minority, and rules aren't made for the vast minority. Will we make this new rule work? Sure, we'll adapt. But it just seems like an unnecessary step for families with children, who often have to (choose to?) haul around a bunch of crap everywhere they go. Exempt medical. Exempt families with small children. (If there's another obvious special-needs group I'm missing, exempt them too.) Give us a special line that takes much longer to go through, if needed. Don't make doing something we love more of a challenge than it needs to be.
I received the bag today as well. I don't know why, but I was expecting a Texans logo.
Oh yes! Nothing like someone behind you instead of placing unfinished beer in the cup holder setting it on the floor then turning the bottle over. I don't want the stuff spilling on my shoe, and definitely not my PURSE.
My worst experience in my regular seat was a couple of drunk Titans fans were sitting in the seats behind me. Nothing critical about the Titans, but just an observation for that game. The worst experience ever was visiting a relative on the visitors side near the 25 yd. line and fairly close to the field. That place was worse than a pig sty. I was glad to return to my regular seat.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Well, I sit/stand in the Bullpen, so, there's plenty of beer flowing EVERYWHERE!
Spills are common, and I learned early on not to put my bag on the floor. Actually, this plastic one will be just fine under my seat, IF I decide to use it. Not really sure yet.
So I have to wonder what policy the NFL will implement to deal with this particular potential terrorist threat.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
So I have to wonder what policy the NFL will implement to deal with this particular potential terrorist threat.
I will volunteer my time and efforts into inspecting said threats!
I will volunteer my time and efforts into inspecting said threats!
I know you're the man for the job!
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
I wonder if the ladies will be able to fit a pad in that bag since some couldn't manage to do so in a bag the size of your hand
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You missed the point on that which was they didn't want the world staring at their feminine products. Of course pads fit in the clear bags.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Maybe you should review post 76, my reply and your silly ass response to my post as it has zero to do with what you are stating now. Also people need to grow up. I'm pretty sure the world wouldn't be staring at your pad or tampon and even if they did who gives a ****?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
#1) Not going to go back and retrace every single conversation to try to limit it to what you think it was about. Being visible has clearly been an issue raised in this thread. Size and sight are related because the only hidden from view option is the small bag.
#2) Nobody, particularly women give a flying squirrel whether you mind having your feminine products on display.
#3) There was no hostility in my post. Who rubbed sand in your vagina?
#4) Now pull your tampon out and grow up.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Wonder how the league would respond if fans simply lined their clear bags.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
It was your assumption that prompted my response. You failed to follow my point rather than me not following. Carrying fem products is something that nearly half the population does I'm not sure why anyone would care if anyone saw it. Take your valtrex before you leave the house so people don't see that in your purse, that I could understand
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
It is fake safety.
Look at the pictures of the stuffed plastic bag. They still have to inspect it.
The bag doesn't have a shoulder strap. Which would be all sorts of handy if you are dealing with kids or at a tailgate and want to use two hands.
And shoulder straps on clutches are tiny. My pockets are typically too small for stuff. And the plastic bag has no shoulder straps. One way I figure out what purse to get is whether somebody could easily snatch it if I was in a public place.
This policy makes me feel LESS SAFE. I either have bare minimum stuff with me in a clutch with a small shoulder strap or all my valuables on display in a plastic bag that is so rickety it will likely fall apart in a couple of games.
And it isn't just 4 hours.
When we were at the Ravens game, I packed my purse full of cold weather gear. We left our hotel super early in the morning. Walked over a mile to a bar, tailgate then stadium. In some sketchy parts of Baltimore without any security. Then we walked back to the hotel after the game.
In the fourth quarter when the sun went down, I was able to grab my extra cold weather gear. And that game wasn't even the coldest the league sees. Or rainy.
If I'm tailgating without my own car about, I have to hold my stuff with one hand because no shoulder strap. And hold a blanket? (I packed mine tight in my purse last time).
This is a stupid policy that makes exactly no one safer and makes me feel less safe with greater inconveniences. Security theater.
Hopefully it doesn't catch on. They never roll back stupid fake security measures.
Fred
Veteran
Repped for the entire post but just wanted to emphasize the bolded. Earlier this year they were going to allow us to take nail clipper and tiny knives on airplanes, but people complained of all the bloodshed to come and they cancel the common sense change. (Almost every else in the world you can carry these items on planes and they have no problems).
The real motives for the NFL's policy are: 1. Catch people trying to sneak in beverages or snacks, and 2. The NFL Security braintrust can say "Hey lookie! We done done some'in'!" Unfortunately next year they will want to done some'in' new.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I agree with all you've said. But there are "official" NFL clear bags that have handles, strings and shoulder straps..........that will make your life so much easier.
And you can use them to strangle visiting fans.........if you aren't already wearing a "waist weapon" (belt). 
silvrhand
All Pro
I agree with all you've said. But there are "official" NFL clear bags that have handles, strings and shoulder straps..........that will make your life so much easier.
My problem with this is the profit the NFL is making on the items they are selling. Sell them at cost if their main goal is to simply provide better security, don't make a profit!!!
The NFL gets a lot of scope with the exception from the anti-trust laws that exist in the US. If the NFL continues to move broadcasting to paid channels, and continues to force more money out of us, then someone needs to repeal the act below..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961