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Nnamdi Asomugha is now an unrestricted free agent...

GP said:
I know. Nothing "traumatic." We just want an out-patient, day surgery type of fix. Because we're just right on the cusp of getting to the playoffs.

Look at ubecool's idea. Unless the financials would be totally off, we could rid ourselves the $ for Jacoby and Okoye and gain Seymour and Aso. Bam.
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That would be fantastic. I'd be ecstatic with just one. getting rid of Okoye would be good.

The bad thing about Nnamdi O becoming a free agent is that probably ever team that didn't make the playoffs are going to check into signing him. One good thing aobut it is that we have played the Raiders quite a few times in the past years and hopefully he sees a team that is in need of him and has a nice new stadium that doesn't have mold..lol. Maybe the stadium and can be a selling point to him. If he is only going to want Dunta money I say give it to him.....I didn't want to see Dunta go but this guy is better than Dunta and has much more range.
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Idk how much a selling point this is (because i obviously don't know the extent of their friendship. Plus i'm sure Nnamdi has other friends in the NFL lol) but Andre and Nnamdi are friends. Hopefully Andre could pull a Dwade and convince him to come here.
 
Wasn't it reported around the trade deadline that the Texans were on Aso's radar of teams he would play for?

McNair, Please get this done. This would bring instant credibility to the Texans defense, and take away half of the field. An Aso and Allen combo at CB would be beastly.
 
otisbean said:
Agreed! The only FA I thought we should have gone after in the past was Turner, but given their system I can understand why they passed. This is a completely different animal. This guy is ultra elite, in his prime, a stand up guy and fills a HUGE position of need. He should be given the full court press by our FO. It would go a long way towards showing McNair is serious about building a championship team
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Lets not forget McNairs desire for character over abilities. Aso has both.
 
With the uncertainty with the CBA and what the cap will be after that is done, I doubt many if any team will be willing to toss out a huge deal at this time. You could get on the wrong side of the dollars and cripple the team for years. Now, could some sort of agreement be put together that has an out clause or modification clause based on CAP to get it at least partially done. This is going to be a VERY expensive deal to do and as good as Aso is now, he is 30 ...... time is short while at the top of the game and you might be spending a great deal of money for what he DID and not for what he will DO.
 
JB said:
I think that Joseph out of Cinci would be a nice pick up. I think that one of the Carolina CB's may be available. Not sure who else will be available.
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The only one of Carolinas' CBs that would be worth having is Gamble and he is not going anywhere. He just got resigned the same year we tagged Dunta. Richard Marshall may be available but he is not really what you want since we are committed to let Kareem Jackson learn and get better. They have Captain Munnerlyn but he is still RFA and is small but, I would love to have him as a kick returner.
 
ubecool454 said:
...since we are committed to let Kareem Jackson learn and get better.
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Shouldn't the Texans be committed to winning, rather than letting guys learn & get better? That's expansion thinking.

7 threads started on the Nnamdi free agency. Only one emanated from the correct forum.
 
I am shocked. Kubiak told McNair that he could work with David Carr, and he gets the HC job. LOL. And Wade tells McNair that he can get it done without requiring a lot of additional personnel.

I can live with the statement as long as the additional personnel required are mostly in the back half of the D. I am being foolishly optimistic but I am hoping his point was he has Ryans, Cushing, Williams and Smith along with some other good role players to run his scheme. In a perfect world we could add LB, NT and secondary hope but I will settle for serious secondary help!

One thing about Wade that I didnt see for Bush at all last year. Wade understands defense and how to scheme to cover up some of his squads weaker parts. No way in hell would he have waited 12 weeks into the season to start bringing pressure and scheming to get his guys on the back end some help.

I cant imagine what he could do if he knew he had a shut down guy on one side!
 
Wolf said:
I imagine if Wade came in and said " I have looked at 15 games of tape on the defense, they don't have much talent"

then some would ask"why did we hire him then if it is going to take some time to fix it"
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You don't get the job here unless you tell McNair that you can "make do" with what you have.

Worked for Kubiak. Worked for Phillips.

Patterns.

Why is this such a hard thing to understand? Wade Phillips is not about to tell McNair that he's screwed on talent. Oh, so McNair is going to sign Phillips to a fat contract and then ALSO be told by his new, fat-cat d-coord he needs to shell out more bucks for better talent? Riiiiiiight.....

Which is exactly why Aso isn't on our radar. Phillips can't very well request McNair to sign Aso.

The type of sack it would take to sign Aso isn't going to grow on McNair until about 3 or 4 years from now.

1. Weak expansion draft, the "take it in the ass and like it" job the Jags gave us? Check.

2. A better HC in Kubiak after four years of Capers? Check.

3. One last year of David Carr, due to "Trauma" avoidance by McNair? Check.

4. Lack of a true, intensive search for a true d-coord? Check.

5. Trauma avoidance, again, in the inability to fire Kubiak? Check.

6. Hiring of a better d-coord? Check.

7. Signing of a true, big-name veteran (on either side of the ball)? Not there yet.

This is what I call "piecing out the project." Baby steps.

McNair is the guy who buys $1800 worth of various components to build his own big screen projection TV...when all he had to do is buy the $1200 HDTV at Sam's Club.

Not because he has Jerry Jones syndrome (Wants to be THE reason why the team is a success). No, it's because Bob truly believes that he can baby-step his way to long-lasting success. He doesn't want to displace anybody on his payroll. It'd be like having a government job working for Bob.
 
GP said:
You don't get the job here unless you tell McNair that you can "make do" with what you have.

Worked for Kubiak. Worked for Phillips.
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Phillips was already hired when these comments were made. McNair was relaying what Phillips told him after coming in and watching game film after being hired. You're taking a blah nothing statement which essentially equates to "we don't have to tear apart the whole D" and twisting it into no changes will be made.

As to Nnamdi he is not the only CB out there and a responsible owner will weigh the options. If Nnamdi is going to cost $17 mil and I can get Champ and Brent Grimes for a total of $17 then I think the smart move is the latter and it isn't being cheap.
 
As people said above, the new cap under the CBA will be the big factor. "Cash light" teams will have the best shot. Overall there is talk in the Pitt locker room(according to LZ) that Ike Taylor would come here. Not a great cover guy. Champ is older. As I said, you might not have the cash for Iso, so you hope to get at least a vet who can improve you to the middle of the pack and have some staying power.
 
Former Raiders beat writer David White believes impending free agent Nnamdi Asomugha will end up with the Jets or Packers.

"I know him well. ... Mark it down," said White. After playing for the Raiders for eight seasons, White says Asomugha wants to play for a proven winner. White added that the shutdown corner has said he'd like to play for Jets coach Rex Ryan and his best friend is Packers corner Charles Woodson. Asomugha will draw interest from virtually every team in the league as the best defensive player available, but fitting him under the new CBA's salary cap is another story altogether.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=779
 
Wolf said:
I imagine if Wade came in and said " I have looked at 15 games of tape on the defense, they don't have much talent"

then some would ask"why did we hire him then if it is going to take some time to fix it"

as for the actual topic of the thread.

man it would be nice, but what are the other CB's that are becoming FA?

any of them give us some bang for the buck?
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Come on, Wolf. Most fans don't want the more realistic bang for your buck players. They want the most expensive players at every position and if it doesn't happen they freak out. :)
 
Kulluminatii said:
Former Raiders beat writer David White believes impending free agent Nnamdi Asomugha will end up with the Jets or Packers.

"I know him well. ... Mark it down," said White. After playing for the Raiders for eight seasons, White says Asomugha wants to play for a proven winner. White added that the shutdown corner has said he'd like to play for Jets coach Rex Ryan and his best friend is Packers corner Charles Woodson. Asomugha will draw interest from virtually every team in the league as the best defensive player available, but fitting him under the new CBA's salary cap is another story altogether.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=779
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I believe how Free Agency is right now, teams that make the playoffs (Jets and Packers) will have an extremely hard time signing a top-notch player like Asomugha. The new rules are something to the effect: a Playoff team can only sign one unrestricted free agent for each one they lost. Additionally, they must sign that player to a contract similar to one of their departing UFA and there are limits on annual increases. The Jets and Packers both won their games so they are in "The Final Eight" to which this effects. The teams that lost in the Wild Card round still have restrictions.

Now the catch is, when they agree to a new CBA will these free agency restrictions still apply? That's the catch and I havn't heard one way or another how the players/owners are leaning on this issue.

So Nnamdi going to ANY team that is still in the playoffs at this stage is highly unlikely unless he takes a SUBSTANTIAL pay decrease or the new CBA eliminates this rule. We're talking a decrease of 8 figures of guaranteed money.

If we want Nnamdi (which we all agree we do) IMO it will take more than Revis money. A ballpark contract this year for Nnamdi will probably be around 5 year $60MM with $40MM guaranteed, if not more. I still say we do it.

However, this is really important. Would you rather have Asomugha for that price or... 2 players like Ike Taylor at CB and Champ Bailey at FS for the same combined price as Nnamdi. That's what Rick Smith will be debating.
 
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The front office/mcnair bashing is so moot & if the texans don't land him it will be no major indictment on them not wanting to go out & get good FA's.

Bottom line is, It takes 2 to tango & if Nmandi doesn't want to come here, he doesn't want to come here. Contrary to popular belief, there are more popular teams & better situations he could go to & get top dollar. i mean really, have none of you learned from the chris bosh situation?
 
If you go to Evan's Twitter he is debating this point with Texans Chick. So we will see

http://twitter.com/#!/evansilva

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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/01/10/where-will-nnamdi-go/

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Houston hired Wade Phillips to turn around the defense, more specifically the NFL’s 32nd ranked pass defense. Yes, Asomugha wants to play for a winner and the Texans have never made the post season. The problem this season wasn’t a very good offense, but a pass defense that surrendered 33 touchdown passes and a staggering 100.6 passer rating for opposing quartebacks.

Might be the team most likely to write a gigantic check.
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I want us to sign him so bad. If we don't get him it's not the end of the world, but I really want him on the Texans. I at least want to see us being aggressive and showing a lot of interest. The worst that could happen is we drive up the price the other team has to pay.
 
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I question those two signing Nnamdi. Will the Jets be willing to spend the cash for Asomugha considering Revis is the highest paid CB in the league and Aso is likely going to want to be right up there with him as the highest? I doubt he goes to the Jets unless he takes less money.

Green Bay has Charles Woodson who is making 55 Million over five years & Tramon Williams is locked in for the next five years at 38 Million. If they sign Aso that would be one expensive secondary.

Houston needs him more & will likely dish out way more money on Asomugha than either of those teams.
 
Mr teX said:
The front office/mcnair bashing is so moot & if the texans don't land him it will be no major indictment on them not wanting to go out & get good FA's.

Bottom line is, It takes 2 to tango & if Nmandi doesn't want to come here, he doesn't want to come here. Contrary to popular belief, there are more popular teams & better situations he could go to & get top dollar. i mean really, have none of you learned from the chris bosh situation?
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This is not just a Houston fans thing. Overall, fans understand "free will" in their lives, but not in athletes.
 
JCTexan said:
I question those two signing Nnamdi. Will the Jets be willing to spend the cash for Asomugha considering Revis is the highest paid CB in the league and Aso is likely going to want to be right up there with him as the highest? I doubt he goes to the Jets unless he takes less money.

Green Bay has Charles Woodson who is making 55 Million over five years & Tramon Williams is locked in for the next five years at 38 Million. If they sign Aso that would be one expensive secondary.

Houston needs him more & will likely dish out way more money on Asomugha than either of those teams.
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It was rumored Champ Bailey and the Broncos were close to a 4 year $44 Million deal during the season (Nov. '10?) but DEN backed out. Darrelle Revis signed a 4 year $46 Million deal (Sept. '10?). So you have to assume that the floor price is there. If California/Florida taught us anything it's that Real Estate prices always go up, right? :facepalm: Well, same applies for NFL contracts until the CBA messes everything up.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
It was rumored Champ Bailey and the Broncos were close to a 4 year $44 Million deal during the season (Nov. '10?) but DEN backed out. Darrelle Revis signed a 4 year $46 Million deal (Sept. '10?). So you have to assume that the floor price is there. If California/Florida taught us anything it's that Real Estate prices always go up, right? :facepalm: Well, same applies for NFL contracts until the CBA messes everything up.
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Yeah, it's a guarantee that the prices will go up. My main point though is that I don't see teams like the Jets or Packers having the two highest paid corners in the game. It's the main reason I doubt the Texans will ever be in the market for Larry Fitzgerald. It's just too much money locked into one position on the field. Revis/Aso will likely be the two highest paid corners in the game, so I doubt the Jets will be true contenders for Asomugha. Do the Jets even need an upgrade in their secondary? Will the Packers be willing to spend so much money on Woodson-Williams-Asomugha? I just doubt it.
 
JCTexan said:
Yeah, it's a guarantee that the prices will go up. My main point though is that I don't see teams like the Jets or Packers having the two highest paid corners in the game. It's the main reason I doubt the Texans will ever be in the market for Larry Fitzgerald. It's just too much money locked into one position on the field. Revis/Aso will likely be the two highest paid corners in the game, so I doubt the Jets will be true contenders for Asomugha. Do the Jets even need an upgrade in their secondary? Will the Packers be willing to spend so much money on Woodson-Williams-Asomugha? I just doubt it.
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I completely agree.
 
JCTexan said:
I question those two signing Nnamdi. Will the Jets be willing to spend the cash for Asomugha considering Revis is the highest paid CB in the league and Aso is likely going to want to be right up there with him as the highest? I doubt he goes to the Jets unless he takes less money.

Green Bay has Charles Woodson who is making 55 Million over five years & Tramon Williams is locked in for the next five years at 38 Million. If they sign Aso that would be one expensive secondary.

Houston needs him more & will likely dish out way more money on Asomugha than either of those teams.
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Yeah, I seriously doubt the Jets will go for him, same with the Packers since both have so much money tied up. I can see Nnamdi taking less $ to go to a team that gives him the best chance to win a SB, but if that FA limit stays in the CBA and is passed he probably won't be able to go to any of the teams in the playoff right now unless he takes a serious pay cut. While Nnamdi is a class act guy, I don't think he's stupid either :D.

I think the two Texas teams have the best chance to sign him. All it comes down to now is which team can convince Nnamdi they will be in the playoffs next year.
 
Nnamdi and Champ are both going to be free agents I would sign both of them and then let Champ play FS and start Quinn and Aso at CB.
 
gary said:
Nnamdi and Champ are both going to be free agents I would sign both of them and then let Champ play FS and start Quinn and Aso at CB.
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I think that would cost way too much money to get both. I would hope that we present a case to Aso as to why he should sign here, even if it is unlikely that he would choose us. Stranger things have happened.
 
TexCanada said:
I think that would cost way too much money to get both. I would hope that we present a case to Aso as to why he should sign here, even if it is unlikely that he would choose us. Stranger things have happened.
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It is just what I'd like to see happen.
 
Thorn said:
Nice discussion, but it ain't happening, and yall know it. It would be wonderful if it did though.
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And that pretty much describes anything at all Houston Texans related that might cause a fan to get his or her hopes up. "Nice discussion but it ain't happening" can be said about almost anything you might have gotten excited about going back to the second game of the 2002 season.

If the Texans as a franchise died tomorrow "Nice discussion but it ain't happening" would go on their tombstone.
 
No one will be doing ANYTHING until the CBA is done and the CAP is agreed on. They can't even talk to players til the CBA is done and to make any player an offer before you know how much you can spend would be really stupid.
 
I would love to have Nnamdi on the roster for next year. I would also love a new car, a 10 mil a year position with a reputable company, and and a house in Champion's Forest.

Wish in one hand and sh!t in the other, so they say.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
However, this is really important. Would you rather have Asomugha for that price or... 2 players like Ike Taylor at CB and Champ Bailey at FS for the same combined price as Nnamdi. That's what Rick Smith will be debating.
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First, Rick Smith has as about as much say in that decision as you or I do. Second, hell yes I take Asomugha. Asomugha dictates where an offense goes with the ball. He's a game changer. Taylor is JAG and Bailey is a very questionable conversion.
 
gary said:
Nnamdi and Champ are both going to be free agents I would sign both of them and then let Champ play FS and start Quinn and Aso at CB.
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................so all it would take is money?


Sigh.....a front 7 with guys like Mario, Smith, Cushing, Barwin and Ryans deserves a secondary that includes Asomugha.

Hell, you might even get away with putting Pollard's all attitude/no coverage skillz ass behind him. Well......maybe if they drafted a FS too...
 
TimeKiller said:
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................so all it would take is money?


Sigh.....a front 7 with guys like Mario, Smith, Cushing, Barwin and Ryans deserves a secondary that includes Asomugha.

Hell, you might even get away with putting Pollard's all attitude/no coverage skillz ass behind him. Well......maybe if they drafted a FS too...
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We have more needs than a single cornerback that is going to kill our cap.
 
Lucky said:
First, Rick Smith has as about as much say in that decision as you or I do. Second, hell yes I take Asomugha. Asomugha dictates where an offense goes with the ball. He's a game changer. Taylor is JAG and Bailey is a very questionable conversion.
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On top of that, I wish people would read what Champ said.

He stated that he wants to play cornerback for another 3-4 years and get paid top corner money. After that, in 4-5 years he said he would take a pay cut and switch to safety to be able to keep playing longer.

Champ Bailey as a FS is a pipe dream right now, people. As a corner, however, that would be another story.
 
silvrhand said:
We have more needs than a single cornerback that is going to kill our cap.
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You say that only because we have never tried adding the best player instead of adding several average players for the price of one. You add Aso and suddenly what we already have doesn't seem so bad. Maybe Wade was right... we don't need a lot of personnel changes on defense. We have enough ordinary players on that side of the ball. We just need a true gamechanger on the backend.
 
I posted a thread a couple of days ago, but I guess the moderators had some logic as to why people's "Perfect season" and "Why are we switching to 3-4?" are more important posts than something that isn't theorycraft.

Nnamdi Asomugha's injury prevented him from improving on his interceptions and other stats (besides the fact that nobody wants to throw his way!), and that initiated a void on his contract with the Raiders. This means he's available for any potential suitors this offseason!

Do you think the Texans would spring for a proven CB like himself? I mean if you sign him, then you can draft front 7 type players in the 1st 2 rounds. I know in the past our organization hasn't made moves like this, but maybe Wade will get in Bob's ear? :doot:
 
Don't take it personally. Your thread was probably deleted because there were many duplicates written about Asomugha, and it was in the wrong section.

Judging from the Texans' history, it seems unlikely we're going to pursue and sign a premier FA. The general consensus is that Rick Smith takes a fairly conservative approach towards free agents. The mantra has been to build through the draft. However, teams like the Jets have disproved that theory.

I'd LOVE to see Asomugha in a Texan's uniform though. Unfortunately, there are numerous other teams vying for him and signing him is very unlikely. There have been rumors saying that Nnamdi wants to play for a proven team and win a superbowl ring; we're already at a disadvantage if those rumors prove to be true.
 
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