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There is not anyone to ever play in the NFL that can be compared to Vince Young. That is why so many teams are affraid to draft him. Vince has dominated at every level. He was more dominant than any player, remember he only played 3 entire games all season due to blowouts and still finished with 3,000 passing and 1,000 rushing. He would have easily won the Heisman over Reggie last year if he played all four quarters of each game. Anyone who thinks he will flop does not know the game, there is always a learning curve. Vince has proved he can learn. Vince is the face of Houston, the is a real Texan!
 
BeReal said:
Your forgetting the fact that Simms' eventually had success in the Texas offense, the same one that had to be changed for Vince. If you look at Vince's final season at Texas and Simms' final at Texas, they are pretty even if you ask me.

PASSING Cmp Att Pct Yds Yd/A TD Int Rating
Vince Young 212 325 65.2 3,036 9.3 26 10 163.9

Chris Simms 235 396 59.3 3,207 8.1 26 12 143.0
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I'm not "forgetting" that Simms eventually had success in that offense.

I'm saying it'd be dumb to compare Simms' numbers as a Junior/Senior (when he eventually had success) to Young's numbers as a Freshman/Sophmore.

Now if Young had better numbers than Simms in that offense if you compare their Freshman/Sophomore seasons, why is it so hard to believe that Young to would've eventually succeeded in that offense? He certainly started off better than Simms.

And despite the rumors (or can somebody provide a link, quote, etc. to the contrary) that Texas changed their offense because Young struggled in it, it's not the truth.

Texas changed their offense because they knew Young was their most potent weapon on offense and the current system wasn't fully taking advantage of his strengths...not because it exposed his weaknesses. And after the run they had, who's going to argue with the results?

If you tell me that the top rated passing QB coming out of high school finished with similar passing stats as the top rated dual-threat QB coming out of high school (as you just did), which QB would you want on your team? Apparently they have the same level of talent passing the ball but one is exponentially better at running it as well.

Agree? If not, why?
 
trutxn said:
There is not anyone to ever play in the NFL that can be compared to Vince Young. That is why so many teams are affraid to draft him. Vince has dominated at every level. He was more dominant than any player, remember he only played 3 entire games all season due to blowouts and still finished with 3,000 passing and 1,000 rushing. He would have easily won the Heisman over Reggie last year if he played all four quarters of each game. Anyone who thinks he will flop does not know the game, there is always a learning curve. Vince has proved he can learn. Vince is the face of Houston, the is a real Texan!
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He is bigger, stronger, and more accurate than both Randal Cunningham and Mike Vick. He is faster than Elway and S. Young, and he has the leadership skills of Montana. He is a long way from the Hall of Fame, but with the right coach (Kubes), Vince could change the game like Vick was supposed to. In-Vince-ible has been around a long time for those of you who know nothing about Texas football.
 
Huge said:
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And despite the rumors (or can somebody provide a link, quote, etc. to the contrary) that Texas changed their offense because Young struggled in it, it's not the truth.

Texas changed their offense because they knew Young was their most potent weapon on offense and the current system wasn't fully taking advantage of his strengths...not because it exposed his weaknesses. And after the run they had, who's going to argue with the results?
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Texas changed their offense to maximize Vince's athletic abilities. Everyone is after Vince, how come no one is attacking how USC had to change their game plan to get Reggie involved? It is the same for any great player, you build your offense around their skills.
 
trutxn said:
how come no one is attacking how USC had to change their game plan to get Reggie involved? It is the same for any great player, you build your offense around their skills.
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Good point, I'll have to start using this one.
 
If we trade out of the #1 pick we are going to take who ever is left between Bush, Mario, and D'Brick.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
IF we trade out of the number one pick, do you think we will still get Vince? Or are we gonna have to use the number one pick on him?:stirpot:
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Still going to get Vince? We aren't going to get Vince anyways, at #1 or after trading down. The decision is between Mario Williams and Reggie Bush with the #1 pick, the only way we trade down is on draft day if we are assured of getting Mario Williams after trading down.
 
wags said:
He was OK. Played mostly a joker role in nickel sets. Sacked Tom Brady and shut down Vick every time he scrambled. Almost killed Terrence Murphy in the Packers game.

The Panthers like him and he will be used better this year. They are switching him to linebacker apparently.
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I had him pegged as a linebacker all the way... :redtowel: ...of course, we didn't take him...but sigh...they never take who I like anyway.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=99820&postcount=31
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=98512&postcount=4
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=99818&postcount=40
 
trutxn said:
Texas changed their offense to maximize Vince's athletic abilities. Everyone is after Vince, how come no one is attacking how USC had to change their game plan to get Reggie involved? It is the same for any great player, you build your offense around their skills.
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They didn't change their game plan at all to get Reggie involved. He made the most of his chances, when given the opportunity within the scheme. He would take a five yard dump-off to the house and break ankles along the way.
USC's offense was great and Reggie was a Spark that would ignite them. They will be good this year, but I think they will lack the Spark. Texas will also be good, but I think they will lack a Spark also. Vince is a good athlete, but not the ONLY athlete.
 
TexanFan881 said:
There are much bigger needs than DE. If we don't get Bush I want to see us trade down or would rather see us get a freak in Vernon Davis. This info on us potentially not drafting Bush makes me think that the organization is doing a really good job trying to hide who we are going to pick and try to get teams to trade with us. If we aren't going to get Bush I would much rather see us trade down than get Mario Williams.
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I've watched a lot of the draft specials on NFL network and also on espn, (gotta get a life). I note this explain my memory lapse.

One of the talking heads on one of the shows? made the statement that the highest % of first round busts are D-linemen. He didn't quote any names or sources so I am not sure if it was just his opinion or backed up with facts. Just mentioned this because of the Mario Williams talk.

Can anyone here support his claim or shoot it down?..idonno:

:coffee:
 
Vinny said:
I had him pegged as a linebacker all the way... :redtowel: ...of course, we didn't take him...but sigh...they never take who I like anyway.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=99820&postcount=31
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=98512&postcount=4
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=99818&postcount=40
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Wait, I'm renewing my bandwagon tickets. I was against Davis as a SS and for him as a LB and the year before was against Boulware as a LB and for him as a SS. Hey, even a pig finds a truffle...
 
Vinny said:
I had him pegged as a linebacker all the way... :redtowel: ...of course, we didn't take him...but sigh...they never take who I like anyway.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=99820&postcount=31
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=98512&postcount=4
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=99818&postcount=40
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Pretty amazing that he played safety and New Orleans, KC, and Carolina had him as the number #1 linebacker ahead of DJ.

Read on kffl that Terrence Murphy's career may be over from the hit Davis gave him on MNF.
 
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