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NFL Total Access: Texans to pass on Bush?

Kaiser Toro said:
If you define us, as in those who need a rookie to define their team, then yes you unfortunately may be let down.
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That isn't what I meant. I simply meant us in the Draft Reggie camp that are excited at the thought of actually having the best player available on our team. Please don't try to make me out to be less of a fan if we don't draft Reggie. Leave that to the VY campers.
 
Lets get smart guys, when was the last time you seen DD on a highlight reel when the can was not labeled "Property of DD". Hum don't remember seeing anything on espn or even Houston television. Again he is not breaking out, he is not going..all...the...way!!!!!!
 
Frak The Jags said:
The one spot in this story that is shady to me is, why would this only come out now that some "higher-ups" in the organization didn't meet him. Owner-check. Head Coach-check. Offensive Coordinator-check. Running Backs coach-check. Who the hell else do they want him to meet?

I say take this story with a giant grain of salt, but......I do believe we will trade down...I will be crushed, but I will live.
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I am guessing that you have never thought of the possibilities of the Texans bringing in Bush as a ploy to increase the value of the pick. I read all over this message board where every time the Texans talk about Vince or Mario the Bush-Bandwagon go psychotic about the thought of the Texans not choosing Reggie Bush. I am not trying to P.O. you guys but it could very well be that the Texans have not wanted Reggie from the beginning? Kubiak never said they were set on Bush, heck he never said Bush was in the lead, he has said over and over that at this point it is a draw between Bush/Young/Mario. The Media has been pushing Bush, not the Texans. Maybe Bush’s agent came in and let it be known that the asking price is starting off at 30 million up front with 60 over 5 and the Texans said o.k. see you when we play your team on Sunday this year. I think the Texans have a ball-park figure financially and if Vince or Mario will meet that figure they will make the move to take them. That is what I have taken from this post.
 
I could take any..Bush, Young, or D'Brick! Williams??????????? Since when a DE was our main concern? Fix the OL because if they do well then we hopefully wont need the DL! :drool:
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
I am guessing that you have never thought of the possibilities of the Texans bringing in Bush as a ploy to increase the value of the pick. I read all over this message board where every time the Texans talk about Vince or Mario the Bush-Bandwagon go psychotic about the thought of the Texans not choosing Reggie Bush. I am not trying to P.O. you guys but it could very well be that the Texans have not wanted Reggie from the beginning? Kubiak never said they were set on Bush, heck he never said Bush was in the lead, he has said over and over that at this point it is a draw between Bush/Young/Mario. The Media has been pushing Bush, not the Texans. Maybe Bush’s agent came in and let it be known that the asking price is starting off at 30 million up front with 60 over 5 and the Texans said o.k. see you when we play your team on Sunday this year. I think the Texans have a ball-park figure financially and if Vince or Mario will meet that figure they will make the move to take them. That is what I have taken from this post.
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I actually agree. We aren't going to have Reggie or Vince. Guess we'd better get used to it.
 
Djjoeyv said:
Before you all say it, I know Defense Wins Games!!!
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No.... Defense wins championships. We have to GET to the playoffs before the defense has a chance to prove itself game by game.

I would be surprised if we pass on Bush AND Young... but not relatively unpleased. I would love to see a stud like Bush here.... but I love seeing DD on the field as our #1 guy as well. I think Mario would be the best choice should we pass along the two obvious picks.
 
Another key factor people must remind themselves is from day one the Texans have made it very clear that they are interested in trading down. Look at G.B. Packers. I think they are plotting to trade up from the #5 to pick up Reggie Bush at number one. The have a Hall of Fame QB who is serious about not comming back if they dont call in some relief, and they have been very stingy this off season with there money. Bush fits in better with that Team. He will play wide out, he will carry the Ball while A.Green rebuilds that knee, he will be perfect for Kick-off return and punt return. Bush is considered a great talent but the Texans in all actuality do not need the guy, and there are plenty of teams that do who I think will make the moves necessary to bring in the kid.
 
Frak The Jags said:
OK Frank. We get it. You are sold on Davis & not on Bush. Some of us are the opposite. 1000 yard rushers aren't all they used to be. It isn't measley by any stretch, but 1500+ is the new 1000. Plus, show me you can play more than 10 to 11 games a year before I pass on Reggie Bush for you.:twocents:
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Whoa brah, only 5 backs had over 1500 yards last season. 1500 rushing, some receiving yards and double digit TDs is pro bowl material, year in, year out.

I don't see how the FO (McNair) will allow the Texans to come out of this draft without either Reggie or Vince unless we get a smorgasboard of draft picks (not happening). Remember this entire off-season/season is about reinvigorating the fans as much as anything. If the Texans go sans Bush or Young, then Kubiak better plan on ripping off 5 straight wins to start the season.

Personally, I think the Texans are falling into the "instant" success trap that is responsible for all the NFL coach turnover lately. McNair has proven he can be loyal, even to a fault. Kubiak should draft for the long term success of the team, and not have to worry about jersey sales or highlight reel appearances...
 
ok...

Here's what we have. A writer/talking head with NFL.com is stating what we already knew... the Texans have had some sort of discussions with Mario Williams. So what.

After each player's visit, Houston media reported that all three met with members of the organization. We know that the whole team traveled to Austin to see Vince Young. We know that a large contingent went to LA to see Reggie Bush, and that he met with Bob McNair, Kubiak, et al. We also know (according to Bush) that he Reggie was told the coaches were excited for him to be a Texan. Young nor Williams said the same thing. BUT McNair said that Williams would have the same impact on defense that Reggie would have on the offense.

The only reports locally tonight (granted I tried to watch all Houston sports shows), but those who usually report first, Channels 13 and 26, NOTHING was reported about any ongoing negotiations or the Texans rethinking Bush. The only local story I am aware of is from 790 where Delotti mentioned that the Texans would like to begin negotiations with BUSH and have an agreement BEFORE the draft. He did mention that there were still some (probably the defensive coordinator and defensive line coach/LB coache) who are in Williams' corner. Delotti reported a possible 20-25 million guranteed and a 7 year 55 (I think) million contract for Bush.

I still think this is a nice little smokescreen floated by someone close to the Texans organization, an effort to make the #1 pick just as appealing as the #2 and also an attempt to get Bush's asking price down (you know that preliminary figures HAD to have been discussed during his visit here.) I think the next couple of days will be telling...
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Look at G.B. Packers. I think they are plotting to trade up from the #5 to pick up Reggie Bush at number one. The have a Hall of Fame QB who is serious about not comming back if they dont call in some relief, and they have been very stingy this off season with there money. Bush fits in better with that Team. He will play wide out, he will carry the Ball while A.Green rebuilds that knee, he will be perfect for Kick-off return and punt return.
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That's a good point. I hadn't tied the whole Favre thing to Reggie Bush yet, but you could make a pretty nice argument there.

Best of all, my #2 guy for this draft is AJ Hawk, who's currently slotted ... for the Green Bay Packers :)
 
It has seemed so long for me to get to this draft that it feels like that Texans/49ers game was over a year ago...
 
FYI-WE ARE TAKING BUSH!
Or Vince or trading down.

There is no way we take anyone not named Vince Young or Reggie Bush with the number one pick.

If the Texans want Williams you would be correct to say they must take him number one but let's say we trade down to four and Vince and Williams are on the board there is no way they can pass on Vince is there?

On the other hand Bush, either dbrick or matt l, then Vince would land us Williams too.

This is stupid they are taking Reggie Bush, I wish it were Vince but I'm cool taking bush.
 
Frak The Jags said:
Except us, apparently...:confused:
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Cheer up, Frak. My Texans first round record is:

David Carr in '02 - check
Andre Johnson in '03 - check
Sean Taylor (went #5), then DeAngelo Hall (went #8), then Dunta Robinson in '04 - check
Marcus Spears in trade down from #13 to #16, picking up 3rd rounder - semi-check, we did trade from #13 to #16, for a 3rd rounder this year, and I got the position right (3-4 DE)

... and I don't see anything to say we're not taking Bush.

Of course after the first round I only got Morency and Pitts right in 4 years :)
 
Here are some thoughts to throw out there about this:

Someone in RB's camp is saying he might not go number one... I don't see how this benefits RB at all especially when it has been said some very rich endorsement contracts hinge on this happening.

Our pressing needs are on the defensive side of the ball, after our FA signings... or on the OL perhaps.

We have significant money and talent tied up in the RB dept.

No one seems to be killing themselves to come up for RB.... even though he has been hyped someone in this very thread see fit to call him the best prospect ever.

This all leads me to conclude that I have no idea what will happen. :brickwall

But I would like to go get us some Mario Williams. :spy:
 
Another look abroad, San Francisco, very much in need of a Running Back/Reciever (Frank Gore was their team leader at 608 yards last year), and dumb enough to give us this years #1 #2 and Next Years #1. Plus you know the California people are pulling for that to happen. We trade down to number 6, and still come out with a great prospect. Maybe Vince falls to #6, or D'Brick is sitting there at #6. Heck I know A.J. Hawk will be there and he would be the starting MLB the day he sign's his contract on our football team no questions asked. Next year we have 2 #1's. That sounds good to me. Plus another #2 this year means a starting OL pick in the second round plus a bonus pick on either CB or OL
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Another look abroad, San Francisco, very much in need of a Running Back/Reciever (Frank Gore was their team leader at 608 yards last year), and dumb enough to give us this years #1 #2 and Next Years #1. Plus you know the California people are pulling for that to happen. We trade down to number 6, and still come out with a great prospect. Maybe Vince falls to #6, or D'Brick is sitting there at #6. Heck I know A.J. Hawk will be there and he would be the starting MLB the day he sign's his contract on our football team no questions asked. Next year we have 2 #1's. That sounds good to me. Plus another #2 this year means a starting OL pick in the second round plus a bonus pick on either CB or OL
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I have been against going as low as 6, is AJ Hawk good enough to miss out on what I felt where our big four, Mario, DBrick, VY and RB??

I don't see college ball so can the wisdom of the board guide me.

I do like the defensice pick though
 
The off-season moves line it up nicely for a Defensive selection in the 1st round.

1. Secured Carr & Davis with extensions/ new contracts
2. Re-Signed OL Weary & McKinney
3. Released dead-weight and salary with Coleman, Walker, Banks and Hollings
4. Signed key position FAs: FB-J Cook, QB #2 - Rosenfels, DEs - Weaver & Kalu, WRs - Moulds & Walter, TE - Putzier, OL - Flanagan & Loverne, LBs - Rainer, Cowart and Moreno, and DB - Michael Stone.

There is no need to draft VDavis (TE) because Putzier is Kubiak's guy. Kubiak is confident with the "newly" formed OL and OL Coach, Mike Sherman. Kubiak is comfortable with the Offense as a whole - seeing how he has re-constructed it through FA and trades (Moulds).

He has also built the Defense up with some solid vetern players. Now his next move is to draft for the future. Weaver will be a solid Base 4-3 DE, but Mario Williams will be that perfect combo pass rush/ run stopper at the other side. Kalu will probably only be a 3rd down rush specialist.....a one-down type DE (filling in for Weaver in passing situations). Mario will be the 3 down DE teams need. He is the only one in this draft, and the best since Julius Peppers!

I see Kubiak drafting a solid RB in the 4th or 5th round, and drafting more OL in the 3rd round as well as his type of OL that fall to day2. 2nd round pick might be a DB (especially CB) or a LB.....there are several solid MLBs that will still be there in the 3rd round......D'Qwell Jackson is the only one to definately be gone from rd 1 and 2.

I think this will be the Texans best off-season/ Free-Agency and Draft....leading me to believe they are on their way to the Playoffs in 2006!
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I have been against going as low as 6, is AJ Hawk good enough to miss out on what I felt where our big four, Mario, DBrick, VY and RB??

I don't see college ball so can the wisdom of the board guide me.

I do like the defensice pick though
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Hawk is awesome. He's #2 on my board after Reggie (yes, ahead of D'brick and Mario), since all three of our linebacking positions have issues. Cowart's the only semi-certain thing and he won't be around for many years.
 
Sarg01 said:
Cheer up, Frak. My Texans first round record is:

David Carr in '02 - check
Andre Johnson in '03 - check
Sean Taylor (went #5), then DeAngelo Hall (went #8), then Dunta Robinson in '04 - check
Marcus Spears in trade down from #13 to #16, picking up 3rd rounder - semi-check, we did trade from #13 to #16, for a 3rd rounder this year, and I got the position right (3-4 DE)

... and I don't see anything to say we're not taking Bush.

Of course after the first round I only got Morency and Pitts right in 4 years :)
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not really man. where is the justification in the "check" you gave yourself?
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Kubiak sticking with Domanick Davis, I like the sound of that. You go with the Horse that you know can produce. Oh, and Domanick Davis is a great running back, heck he put up 1000 yards with one of the most idiotic coaching schemes in the history of the NFL. He is going to be huge next year, 1500 yrds 10 TD. By this time next year no one will remember the mistake we almost made in taking Reggie Bush. Not taking Bush will end up being the smartest move these coaches ever made.
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I think you may have hit it dead on here--Bush is going to be very good, but the difference between him and DD is less than you'd think. Bush much flashier, of course, but at the end of the day they're both gonna get you the yards.

We have other needs--Mario or D'Brick with or (traded down to) 1st, additional building with the extra picks. THis is the smart move.
 
Djjoeyv said:
well then you trade down to get him. Name 1 DE that went #1 that made an impact on the team?
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Bruce Smith ('85)

It's true that only one that was taken with the first pick has made an impact, but you did ask for just one. Also, as someone else stated, Peppers should've gone #1 instead of Carr.
 
There are two major reasons why the Texans will draft Vince Young in this upcoming draft. I will break them down to the board and prove my above ascertain. Number one, the first goal of any Franchise is to win. If winning is not an option, you then take a different approach. You make moves that will ready your franchise for the future. Upon looking at the Texans schedule, any astute fan of the game will know, the Texans will only win 5 to 6 games next season regardless of what player they draft Young, Bush, Williams or Ferguson. The AFC south, the division the Texans are in, has the hardest schedule in football next year. First of all they play the NFC East. With all the off-season moves Dallas and Washington has made, you can pretty much chalk those two games up as losses. I don’t realistically see the Texans beating the Giants either another loss added to the board. Leaving only Philly, Philly has made no big off-season moves but they play the Texans in week one. Due to the fact that the organization has put in place a new system and a new coaching staff this will in the end mean another loss to the team. Now onto the rest of the Texans schedule. They play the AFC East. Out of this conference I see two of the five wins coming; I see them beating the Jets and the Bills. Miami and New England you can forget about those games, the Texans won’t win either this means two more looses. Now I’ll speak about the six in-conference games. The Colts and the Jags means four more losses to the Texans. Provided the Texans sweep the Tennessee series. You can add two more wins to the Texans. So that's four wins if you’re keeping tract. There are two more additional out of division games, Oakland and Cleveland. Let’s say the Texans split the games and beat Oakland. There you have it my total of five wins. And that's the best case Scenario. Knowing this tough schedule the Texans have, you have to know it's not just me who figured this out. As much as a football aficionado I think I am the men in the brass of the organization I can guarantee you looked at the schedule and murmured more than a few obscenities.
So what do you do when you know you're not going to win? If you guess build for the future then you've got it right. Like I said earlier regardless of whom they draft the Texans will not be at five hundred and you can take that to the bank. So who do you take? Mario Williams, D'brickashaw Ferguson. That's not going to happen because of the huge backlash from the fans they would get for not drafting Young or Bush. Now we have left Young and Bush. Why not Bush you ask? I think the Adam Schefter report on NFL Total Access said it all. They have a good back in Davis and a good punt return in Mathis the two positions Bush would play for the team. Why Young you may ask? You need not go any further than to the front page of the Texan home page to understand. The fans have spoken and because of that the Texans will draft Young. And as confident as Kube seems in Carr I guarantee you he has more than a few questions about him. After studying all the evidence it points to Young being back in Houston next year. And you don't have to believe me now but you will later on.


April 29 the prodigal son returns home
 
This is a win-win move for the Texans.
They let teams think they have a shot at #1 pick to get several offers to see if anyone will make a "Godfather" deal. We also say to Bush that the intrest in trading with us is for Leinart and if he wants to go#1 and get #1 money he better make a reasonable deal or he will go#2 or lower.
This ONLY works if everyone thinks we really will draft Williams.
 
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Well if we don't take Bush then all these people are wrong www.foxsports.com
 
Come on. They are just trying to boost the value of their pick for a possible trade. If eveyone KNOWS they are sold on Bush and they have him signed before the draft their pick has no value.

They are smart to then show interest in Mario Williams b/c teams sitting in the #3-4-5 spots know Mario might be available in those spots which would tempt them to trade up to get our #1 pick.

At the end of the day, nobody will pay our price, which should be a HIGH #1 pick this year, #2 this year, #3 this year, and #1 next year. Thus we will take Bush whether he is signed before the draft of not.
 
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Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports there is now legitimate reason, for the first time, to think that USC RB Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up with the Houston Texans, the team that currently holds the No. 1 overall NFL Draft pick. This does not come from one source or from one team. This comes from multiple sources, from across the league, without any agenda to push. As of Monday, April 17, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back. The Texans know they have a dependable running back and kick return man, the two spots Bush fills. A person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."
 
Texian said:
Texans | R. Bush not a lock to be No. 1 draft pick?
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:38:45 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports there is now legitimate reason, for the first time, to think that USC RB Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up with the Houston Texans, the team that currently holds the No. 1 overall NFL Draft pick. This does not come from one source or from one team. This comes from multiple sources, from across the league, without any agenda to push. As of Monday, April 17, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back. The Texans know they have a dependable running back and kick return man, the two spots Bush fills. A person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."
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And the plot thickens!!!!:spy:
 
Still think we cannot pass up on Reggie Bush or VY. Although it is highly unlikely that we will draft VY, I don't think the Texans will pass up on Bush. At this time of the year we will hear several rumors and stuff. At the end of the day I still think Bush will be a Texan. It doesn't make any sense to pass up the most dynamic player in college football in recent memory over M.Williams. Yeah Mario Williams is a special player who is a phyiscial specimen, but he was inconsistent while he was at N.C.State. The Texans absolutely cannot screw up this draft. If they do that we will be setback for years and years to come.
 
Hottoddie said:
I'm telling you right now, the Texans are targeting D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
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the D'Brickashaw is the clear #1 need that needs addressed, he fits perfectly in Kubiacs zone blocking scheme (relies on quickness and atheltic ability not strength or size). add to this another 2nd (strength of draft) and a #1 next year it is very attractive indeed :drool:
 
Rumors flying around the Texans camp are as follows:

The both the Jets and the Titans want Vince Young.

The Jets have a deal with New Orleans on the table for the number 2 pick, presuming we pick Bush, Young would be available.

The Titans are now seeking to trade for the number 1 pick so as to get Vince Young (yes all this bashing really has been a smoke screen). In turn, New Orleans would move the number 2 pick to the highest suitor who wants Bush and we would be left with the number 3 pick, which we would use on Mario Williams.

No one is saying what picks and/or players are being exchange for the trades. This is all contingent on the Jets interest in VY, as well as other teams that might try to trade into the 2 spot ahead of the Titans.
 
Sarg01 said:
That's a good point. I hadn't tied the whole Favre thing to Reggie Bush yet, but you could make a pretty nice argument there.

Best of all, my #2 guy for this draft is AJ Hawk, who's currently slotted ... for the Green Bay Packers :)
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In all honesty, I doubt Farve gives a fat rat's pattuti about Reggie Bush. If he wanted to see a running back in the backfield before making his decision, Edgerin James, would've been high on the Packer's list, or they would have tried to trade for a veteran RB....... Brett wants to win another ring....... not help develop a running back. He's been there, done that, knows what it's all about.

texanskan said:
FYI-WE ARE TAKING BUSH!
Or Vince or trading down.

There is no way we take anyone not named Vince Young or Reggie Bush with the number one pick.

If the Texans want Williams you would be correct to say they must take him number one but let's say we trade down to four and Vince and Williams are on the board there is no way they can pass on Vince is there?

On the other hand Bush, either dbrick or matt l, then Vince would land us Williams too.

This is stupid they are taking Reggie Bush, I wish it were Vince but I'm cool taking bush.
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Out of the three players mentioned, only one can be considered a need. If you want him, taking him at #1 is the only way to garuntee you can get him. Trading with N.O. for the #2 spot, is like shooting yourself in the foot.
 
thunderkyss said:
Out of the three players mentioned, only one can be considered a need. If you want him, taking him at #1 is the only way to garuntee you can get him. Trading with N.O. for the #2 spot, is like shooting yourself in the foot.
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the Texans could always take D'Brickashaw Ferguson @ #4 with a butt load of extra picks :cool:
 
Frak The Jags said:
That isn't what I meant. I simply meant us in the Draft Reggie camp that are excited at the thought of actually having the best player available on our team. Please don't try to make me out to be less of a fan if we don't draft Reggie. Leave that to the VY campers.
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Duly noted. My dig was that many Bush advocates never thought it was plausible that we could take Williams. I will not be unhappy with the selection of Bush. I just see Williams as filling the fiscal vacuum on the defensive side of the ball.
 
I understand people really liking Bush, Young, or Williams, but it seems alot like blind devotion. Now some posters look at each player objectively and say this is the best guy for us because. I would like to see an objective post for Young, because maybe my view of him skewed and I just dont see him as any better than a mid first rounder. I admit though that I have read posts about him and looked at his stats, but he still does not impress me and I would like an objective look at him. I looked at the prospect profiles on NFL.com and Young is not rated very well. Looking at Mario and Bush though the two best prospects in the draft might I add, I think we are in a good position to add to our team. Bush is not the end all to be all and neither is Mario, but I would not mind getting a jersey for either of them.
 
I would not be upset at all with us drafting Bush, Ferguson, or Williams, whether it be with the #1 spot or by trading down to 3-5. The only thing that would upset me in this draft is to take Young with the #1 pick.
 
I don't mind getting Mario's jersey - at the number 3 or 4 pick. Picking him at 1 would be a foolish mistake (as would be moving to 4 without serious compensation)...
 
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