Does anyone remember Tony Romo fumbling a hold on a FG years ago. That was essentially extra point distance. Yeah, it is almost a given that it should be made every time, but that isn't always the case. I watch red zone and there was a week this year where there were almost 3-4 botched extra points within an hour. Its not always a sure thing.
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NFL considering proposal to abolish/modify extra points
- Thread starter srrono
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Does anyone remember Tony Romo fumbling a hold on a FG years ago. That was essentially extra point distance. Yeah, it is almost a given that it should be made every time, but that isn't always the case. I watch red zone and there was a week this year where there were almost 3-4 botched extra points within an hour. Its not always a sure thing.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
You arent making a case against this change. The fact the PAT kick is so automatic is actually a reason for the change. The two point PAT choice is still there
If you took out a play that happens 3-8 times a game that has game stopage usually on both sides of it, it would speed up the game.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.
If the object is to get rid of the "automatic" 1 point kick, why not make the 2 point conversion worth 3 points?
A team has the option for the 1 point kick from the same spot as now or score 3 points. Most teams will go for 3, thus accomplishing goal of more "action" while adding more suspense to end of games.
A team has the option for the 1 point kick from the same spot as now or score 3 points. Most teams will go for 3, thus accomplishing goal of more "action" while adding more suspense to end of games.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Maybe. One option is to score the TD then get the option of 1 automatically tacked on (no play) or attempt a 2 pt.
TheDrifter
Rookie
Thats not a given. If its a -1 or +1 sort of "two point conversion" then that doesn't get run any more often than usual (rarely).
And even if we replace the current extra point with another play, it is almost certain to be a much more compelling play, since the XP is basically automatic.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
You are incorrect. As it stands most kick pats, if you get that point without kicking it most teams will still take that and move on. No play would be run between the td and the kickoff
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Does a PAT really slow the game down that much though? Not really..all the damn commercial breaks do but i doubt there's been serious consideration to eliminating a few of those to speed up the game. The NFL is the only sport i'm aware of where its fans look forward to seeing commercials....At least on Superbowl Sunday anyway.
Lets just call this what this is...it's another attempt by Ol' Rog & the owners to bring more novice viewers to the game...i.e. more money. I get it from a business standpoint, but it's so unnecessary to mess with the game every year much less this aspect of the game.
This, combined with the changes he's made on kickoffs....seems like he's trying to lessen the importance of kicking and/or get rid of kickers all together.
he needs to just leave it alone already...& focus more on getting these refs to be more consistent......
Lets just call this what this is...it's another attempt by Ol' Rog & the owners to bring more novice viewers to the game...i.e. more money. I get it from a business standpoint, but it's so unnecessary to mess with the game every year much less this aspect of the game.
This, combined with the changes he's made on kickoffs....seems like he's trying to lessen the importance of kicking and/or get rid of kickers all together.
he needs to just leave it alone already...& focus more on getting these refs to be more consistent......
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
How would this bring more novice viewers to the game?
I think it does eliminate the possibility of a couple breaks per game
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
imo they're only talking about this move to bring back some of the action & excitement to the game that they lost when they did what they did to kickoffs....essentially making them touchback fests.
I have no proof, but i'm guessing that those kinds of 1 off excitement plays (like TDs) are more apt to catch & draw in a novice viewer as opposed to watching a guy kick an extra point or watching the drive that led up to the TD..or watching the actual games...Basically they're trying to extend the excitement of a TD play.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
What are you talking about? If they eliminate the PAT kicking attempt and just give you an extra point to walk away or give you the option of going for two most teams will take the extra point without a play.
Im not sure what action and excitement you are talking about adding in or extending the excitement of a td. This is eliminating a play more often than not
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
But what real need is there to eliminate the actual play for period? it doesn't happen often, but there are instances where PAT's aren't converted routinely. It effectively eliminates an opportunity (albeit a small one) for the opposition to effect the game in the long run. It just Doesn't make sense to me b/c the play itself doesn't take that long to complete & you're not gonna be saving a ton of time/breaks by eliminating it anyway.
You're assuming the bolded....& you're probably right for the most part. But obviously with some of the other options they & others have suggested in this thread, there seems to be an interest in eliminating a fairly routine play like a PAT & there's no real valid explanation for it.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
My assumption on the first part is due in part to the fact that most teams kick pats vs attempting the two point conversion. The fact that the failure rate for kicking pats is higher than 0 but would then the +1 would go to zero suggest that the use of just taking a point would be higher if this change was made.
Getting rid of kicking pats would remove spots for commercial breaks and would save time if teams took the free extra point and moved on
No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.
From the article:
Roger Goodell said:
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.
The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.
This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.
I agree completely. They should just leave it alone. Do not fix what is not broken, IMO.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That is the same thing described differently. However worded you get 7 doing nothing but scoring the TD or you can attempt a conversion akin to the 2 pt now and get either 6 or 8 depending on the result. Call it 0 or 2 v. -1 or +1 it is the same 2 pt swing.
I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.
For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.
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I gotcha'. I thought you were talking about Goodell's intention, but yeah, I see what you're saying now.
Are you for this change?
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Considering the PAT kicking success rate it really wouldnt take much away from the game and stating it was "quite a bit" is overstating it imo
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Starting? Did you really say STARTING?
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
How about this for a gimmick? Throwback rules with the throwback jerseys. Use a rugby type ball and make the forward pass illegal and the flying wedge legal. And no pads.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I was editing while you asked this. Now, from above:
I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.
For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.
The added strategy element is intriguing. One of the many great facets of the game is the design of strategy, so this is one of those issues that could have some interesting scenarios for teams and fans to ponder.
My initial reactions to this kind of suggestion is to leave it alone. However, that doesn't mean that I'm not open to hearing ideas and accepting them if they add to the game.
Extra points are rather boring. I cannot really defend it because it's gotten so routine and monotonous. I liked it when they added 2 point conversion options, so this might be another element that grows on me over time.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Instead of having "Special Teams" each team should have another squad of anywhere between 10 and 20 guys who all dress in period uniforms and equipment. These are not members of the team per se. They're guys who probably couldn't make an NFL franchise but who still want to be a part of it. Think of them as some kind of bizarre throwback 12th man. They sit on the sidelines until a TD is scored and then they are solely responsible for coming in and doing these goal line extra point plays and literally anything goes. Leather helmets, no forward pass, everyone wears funky brown cleats and black socks. Freaky stripes EVERYWHERE
There. That's a change I could get behind. At least half of them need to be named "Sullivan".
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Yeah this would make the game really interesting for sure.
Sigma
Veteran
there are a lot of talks about changing the PAT
everyone is focussing on making the kick from a greater distance
would you like to have a PAT similar to the one in rugby?
if the ball breaks the plane of the endzone near one sideline you have to kick from that sideline, if the ball breaks the plane near the center of the field you can kick from the center.
everyone is focussing on making the kick from a greater distance
would you like to have a PAT similar to the one in rugby?
if the ball breaks the plane of the endzone near one sideline you have to kick from that sideline, if the ball breaks the plane near the center of the field you can kick from the center.
Blake
MMQB
remove kicks, make it a 2-point play
A long time ago I said they should run a play form the 1 yard line for 1 point, or run a play from the 2 yard line for 2.
1 point conversion: Place ball at 1 yard line and run a play.
2 point conversion: Place ball at 2 yard line and run a play.
