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NFL Combine

Playoffs said:
I think this is one of the deeper drafts in years and that there are ~equally graded difference makers from 5 to 25. As a QB class it is weak, but there's a lot of talent this year.

I prefer drafting into depth, and with the number of picks we have a good draft can upgrade us at many positions.

I'd like to see us get better up the middle on D -- S, ILB, NT and add a top WR prospect and deepen our OL.

Underwear Olympics alone, there's some speed out there.
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There is an absolute TON of speed, unfortunately there isn't as much size as you'd hope throughout the class. I think one of the underrated parts of this class on this board is how athletic a lot of the OT's are. There's a couple of guys here that the Texans should take long looks at to see if they could be an immediate upgrade at RT.
 
b0ng said:
There is an absolute TON of speed, unfortunately there isn't as much size as you'd hope throughout the class. I think one of the underrated parts of this class on this board is how athletic a lot of the OT's are. There's a couple of guys here that the Texans should take long looks at to see if they could be an immediate upgrade at RT.
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just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?
 
beerlover said:
just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?
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Im pretty sure Kyle Long is being projected as a RT. He looked like he was in good shape & possibly had room to bulk up despite weighing in at 313lbs. Plus he ran real well for being that big. I think he would fit real well in the ZBS. I also like Schwenke out of Cal to play G/C. He too fit the ZBS size & mobility & held hid own at the Senior Bowl against the likes of Jenkins.
 
I know that when Kyle Long was at FSU on a baseball scholarship, he really screwed the pooch with the coaches. Not sure exactly what transpired, but it wasn't good.
 
beerlover said:
just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?
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He's definitely got the size and mobility that the Texans have desired from their OT's in the past. I think his last name is going to end up getting him a higher draft spot than what he would've gotten if he was the son of some joe schmoe, but he's certainly a guy to look at if he's available at the Texans 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Jeff Baca is also a guy I think the Texans may look at as a backup or swing tackle if he's there in the middle or later rounds. (Yes I know he's listed as a Guard on a lot of the scouting sites, but he's got a lot of the qualities the Texans look for in a Tackle).

Terron Armstead might be a guy who has shot up too high on other draft boards, but if he's available after the first you got to look at him as well.
 
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Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.
 
Vinny said:
He is shorter, slower, and smaller than advertised.
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Yes, he is starting to look much less like a first round lock than what was thought before ND played 'Bama.

Here is another couple of funny moving pictures

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I think the subtle Reid "thumbs up" kills me.
 
beerlover said:
regardless you uniformed opinion still carry's weight with me, but here is my question for you- what is easier for you to address this draft, defense or the offense? and why?
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I probably draft a balance. WR, NT and ILB are the major positions I want to see filled.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Yep, I like Hopkins too. IMO he is the most complete WR out there. He gave LSU fits, really showed up in that big game, and 18 TD last year is really impressive. The only thing is that I think that there will be many more quality WR in round 2 than quality DT. We need to come out of this draft with a starting WR, DT, and ILB.
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I'm glad to see D. Hopkins getting some love. So far, he's my guy for the Texans.
 
b0ng said:
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Te'o with a 4.8 40 dash. Ouch.
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I'm not if this was that huge of a surprise. Mayock predicted a 4.75, but the other commentators predicted under then that but they thought it would be close to 4.75. I kinda think Minter getting 4.8 was just as ugly. Demontre Moore was HIGHLY OVERRATED. A 4.9 40 to go along with only 12 reps of 225lbs, that's horrible to say the least.
 
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beerlover said:
just throwing this out there because I see Kyle Long as a premier LG but how do you think he would fare as possible swing tackle option for Texans, especially RT?
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I know this post wasn't directed at me, but I really like Long though he will probably be gone be #54.

I've got my eye on 2 OT's in the 3rd rd. Fragel and Quessenberry are both tough athletic RT's who would be perfect fits in the ZBS.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Brandon Spikes and Vontaze Burfict both had worse 40s than Teo and became beasts.
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Burfict played on the outside due to injury last year....did very well, but is a natural pass rusher. They may not even move him back inside next season. He is a good example though.

Spikes is 260 pounds and is an elite run stuffer...something Teo isn't. Spikes also has the same problem Teo has in coverage....he's just not fast enough.

According to ProFootballFocus (subscription-only), Spikes grades out cumulatively as just the 29th-ranked ILB in pass coverage, which frankly sounds about right.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1409368-new-england-patriots-the-curious-case-of-brandon-spikes
 
Vinny said:
According to ProFootballFocus (subscription-only), Spikes grades out cumulatively as just the 29th-ranked ILB in pass coverage, which frankly sounds about right.
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Brandon Spikes is rated 21st out of 53 ILBs in coverage by PFF for ILBs taking >25% of team snaps in 2012. He was worse in the postseason.

SAMURAITEXAN said:
Tyrann Mathieu does look good. May worth 3rd pick. If no concern, probably worth 2nd pick I think.
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I've met him. I wouldn't touch him. And it's not because he's shorter than me.
 
Xavier Rhodes from Florida State ran a 4.41 unofficial at 6'1", 210 lbs (33 3/4" long arms). He also posted a 40.5" vertical. He is a man coverage guy that really does have the potential to be a lockdown cornerback. Deion commented that he seemed to kind of "chill" some in games when things weren't really coming at him or he wasn't being challenged, and I agree, so he will need to work on that. He is my favorite player from Florida State and has been a starter for three years. At home games, I would watch him ALOT when the defense was on the field. One of the problems he will have with scouts and coaches is that he didn't improve alot from his Sophomore to Junior year. He was basically the same player. He has the potential to be a lockdown corner, but he isn't quite there yet. Overall, I think he fits the Texans quite well but would need to be our first rounder if we were to get him.
 
I posted this in the interview thread, but decided it needs to be here too. Hamilton advocates can get excited now.

More Houston interviewees per Walter Football.

Anthony Amos, WR, Middle Tennessee State (EW)
Will Davis#, DB, Utah State (SR)
Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas (COM)
Gerald Hodges, LB, Penn State (EW)
Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (COM) (INT)
Eric Kush, OL, California PA (EW)
Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut (EW)
Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame (COM)
Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida (EW)

Link.

Edit: I just saw that these were from separate events, as indicated in the key below:

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
* - indicates more than one meeting.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2013 Senior Bowl or the 2013 East-West Shrine Game
 
I think Darrius Slay just made himself a lot of money today:

Slay posted an official time of 4.36 seconds in his second 40 run to finish with the fastest time on the day. Slay came to the combine slated as a middle-round selection, but his speedy performance should help him move up boards with the 2013 NFL Draft less than two months away.
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TexansSeminole said:
Xavier Rhodes from Florida State ran a 4.41 unofficial at 6'1", 210 lbs (33 3/4" long arms). He also posted a 40.5" vertical. He is a man coverage guy that really does have the potential to be a lockdown cornerback. Deion commented that he seemed to kind of "chill" some in games when things weren't really coming at him or he wasn't being challenged, and I agree, so he will need to work on that. He is my favorite player from Florida State and has been a starter for three years. At home games, I would watch him ALOT when the defense was on the field. One of the problems he will have with scouts and coaches is that he didn't improve alot from his Sophomore to Junior year. He was basically the same player. He has the potential to be a lockdown corner, but he isn't quite there yet. Overall, I think he fits the Texans quite well but would need to be our first rounder if we were to get him.
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I've always loved Florida State for some reason ever since I was a kid. Maybe because Warrick Dunn was such a badass. I hope they get back to winning titles soon. Jimbo seems like the guy to get them there.
 
greekdbag said:
I've always loved Florida State for some reason ever since I was a kid. Maybe because Warrick Dunn was such a badass. I hope they get back to winning titles soon. Jimbo seems like the guy to get them there.
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If he gives up play calling duties to an offensive coordinator, perhaps. At this point, I do not like his play calling. He is one hell of a recruiter though.
 
Playoffs said:
No. He's a young man who has every chance to grow up & contribute meaningfully. I just think he's a risky selection.
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Do you think he's anymore of a risk then D. Rodgers(WR)? They bother seem to be coming clean & taking responsibility for their actions.

In all honesty, my issue w/ Mathieu is that horrible 4 reps of 225lbs.
 
tru80texan said:
Do you think he's anymore of a risk then D. Rodgers(WR)?
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Don't know anything about him.

Personally, I lean more to Mr. McNair's thinking of avoiding problem children. Perhaps one on each side might give a team an edge, but I'd personally choose guys I'd want to be shoulder-to-shoulder with in a war. Cap is tight, rosters still seem pretty small, and this is business.

But, every young man has a chance to change his ways and how he behaves. I don't like the idea of dismissing people altogether. I've seen many men of all ages make fundamental changes in how they think and what they do. Gotta have hope.

I'm getting off topic -- looking forward to reviewing today's Combine participants in depth. Some good S prospects in there.
 
Playoffs said:
Don't know anything about him.

Personally, I lean more to Mr. McNair's thinking of avoiding problem children. Perhaps one on each side might give a team an edge, but I'd personally choose guys I'd want to be shoulder-to-shoulder with in a war. Cap is tight, rosters still seem pretty small, and this is business.

But, every young man has a chance to change his ways and how he behaves. I don't like the idea of dismissing people altogether. I've seen many men of all ages make fundamental changes in how they think and what they do. Gotta have hope.

I'm getting off topic -- looking forward to reviewing today's Combine participants in depth. Some good S prospects in there.
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Da'Rick Rogers. I apologize, I spelled his name wrong earlier. Anyways, he's considered 1st or 2nd round talent, but questions surround him about him being booted from Tennessee after 3 failed drug tests. Some say he could 1 of the better wr's in the draft, but his character is questioned because of the failed test. I know the Texans pick high character individuals, but this team seems to be gaining players who command discipline from their teammates. At some point I hope the Texans could acquire a player who may have an issue or 2 in the past, but know that type of behavior won't happen as a member of the Texans because of the vets. Other organizations have this such as the Ravens & I hope the Texans are getting there as well. The player adapts to the organization, not the opposite.
 
tru80texan said:
Do you think he's anymore of a risk then D. Rodgers(WR)? They bother seem to be coming clean & taking responsibility for their actions.

In all honesty, my issue w/ Mathieu is that horrible 4 reps of 225lbs.
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That really is terrible. He had all the time in the world to get prepared so it makes you wonder.
 
Evan Silva's risers.

There is more text in the linked article on each prospect.
This is a rundown of 15 players who either helped or solidified their draft stock by testing well at the 2013 Scouting Combine. We'll start off with seven bigger-named prospects before digging a bit deeper on 8-15.

1. BYU DE Ziggy Ansah
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Realistic Landing Spots: Jaguars at No. 2, Raiders at No. 3, Lions at No. 5.

2. Tennessee WR Justin Hunter
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Realistic Landing Spots: Texans at No. 27, Patriots at No. 29, Jets at No. 39.

3. Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert
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Realistic Landing Spots: Bucs at No. 13, Bears at No. 20, Falcons at No. 30.

4. Oklahoma LT Lane Johnson
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Realistic Landing Spots: Cardinals at No. 7, Chargers at No. 11, Dolphins at No. 12.

5. LSU DE/LB Barkevious Mingo
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Realistic Landing Spots: Jets at No. 9, Saints at No. 15, Steelers at No. 17.

6. Washington CB Desmond Trufant
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 12, Bucs at No. 13, Panthers at No. 14.

7. Oregon LB Dion Jordan
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Realistic Landing Spots: Eagles at No. 4, Browns at No. 6, Jets at No. 9.

8. Arkansas RB Knile Davis
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Realistic Landing Spots: Titans, Falcons, Cowboys in the fifth round.

9. Arkansas-Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead
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Realistic Landing Spots: Redskins at No. 51, Dolphins at No. 54, Seahawks at No. 56.

10. SMU DE Margus Hunt
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Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs, Browns, 49ers in the sixth round.

11. Mississippi State CB Darius Slay
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Realistic Landing Spots: Bucs at No. 73, 49ers at No. 74, Chargers at No. 76.

12. Rice TE Vance McDonald
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Realistic Landing Spots: Rams at No. 46, Bears at No. 50, Redskins at No. 51.

13. Texas A&M WR Ryan Swope
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Realistic Landing Spots: Bills at No. 71, Jets at No. 72, Dolphins at No. 77.

14. Arkansas TE Chris Gragg
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Realistic Landing Spots: 49ers, Falcons, Redskins in the fifth round.

15. Cal CB Steve Williams
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Realistic Landing Spots: Ravens, Steelers, Jaguars in the fifth round.
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read more: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42630/60/nfl-combine-risers
 
10. SMU DE Margus Hunt
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Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs, Browns, 49ers in the sixth round.
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I haven't been following the combine, but what happened here? Some people thought he was a late 1st round pick, now he's a 6th?
 
And Evan Silva's "fallers"...

Gotta read the text for these to make sense.

1. Georgia LB Jarvis Jones
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Realistic Landing Spots: 49ers at No. 31, Ravens at No. 32, Eagles at No. 35.

2. LSU DE Sam Montgomery
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 82, Bengals at No. 84, Broncos at No. 90.

3. Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins
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Realistic Landing Spots: Packers at No. 55, Texans at No. 57, 49ers at No. 61.

4. Stanford RB Stepfan Taylor
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Realistic Landing Spots: Packers, Chargers, Bucs in the seventh round.

5. Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore
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Realistic Landing Spots: Falcons at No. 30, Jaguars at No. 33, Lions at No. 36.

6. Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel
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Realistic Landing Spots: Chiefs at No. 1, Eagles at No. 4, Lions at No. 5.

7. Wisconsin RB Montee Ball
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Realistic Landing Spots: Falcons at No. 60, Jaguars at No. 64, Jets at No. 72.

8. Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o
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Realistic Landing Spots: Broncos at No. 28, Falcons at No. 30, Ravens at No. 32.

9. Florida State DE Bjoern Werner
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 12, Bucs at No. 13, Cowboys at No. 18.

10. Mississippi State CB Johnthan Banks
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Realistic Landing Spots: Dolphins at No. 42, Bucs at No. 43, Panthers at No. 44.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42638/60/nfl-combine-fallers
 
TexansSeminole said:
If he gives up play calling duties to an offensive coordinator, perhaps. At this point, I do not like his play calling. He is one hell of a recruiter though.
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Just not enough creativity. Dumb plays all the time, long developing run plays when we have a below average line. I'm glad he really makes an effort to run a clean program and keep our guys out of the press but not sure where his ceiling is.

Feel like I clicked on my Warchant tab.
 
ralph said:
Just not enough creativity. Dumb plays all the time, long developing run plays when we have a below average line. I'm glad he really makes an effort to run a clean program and keep our guys out of the press but not sure where his ceiling is.

Feel like I clicked on my Warchant tab.
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It became pretty clear that something was wrong when Tricket came in at QB and we ran the read option. That alone should tell you something.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I haven't been following the combine, but what happened here? Some people thought [Margus Hunt] was a late 1st round pick, now he's a 6th?
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It's just an example of someone who doesn't know what the !@#$ they're talking about. Hunt will be gone by the end of the 2nd round, and he'll probably be drafted somewhere in the first.

They act like Ziggy Ansah is such a revelation...Hunt is just as athletic--but bigger--and has been playing football for just as long (or 1 year longer?)...
 
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