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You can look at all the stats you want, including Matt Ryan's 0-2 playoff record with an incredible 385 combined yards, 3 TDs and 4 INTs, but What anyone should do is watch the damn games. It is then where you automatically notice Matt Ryan is nothing special.

Are you honestly trying to use two playoff games where his team lost as evidence here when schaub still hasn't even been to a playoff game? Go check Manning's first few playoff games and see how well that works. You're trying to discredit someone that has accomplished more and using games that Matt hasn't even been able to lead his team to. I don't need a QB that is a stat god, and Matt Ryan is already getting great stats and winning games. Montana and Elway were never stat gods when they played. They knew how to win and could play well at the end of games in the clutch. They were consistent for 4 quarters as well which is something Matt Scahub has struggled with.
 
More fun stats from 2010 for comparison:

Schaub - Sacked 32 times for a loss of 226 yards
- Fumbled 9 times, 3 fumbles lost
- 22 rushes for 28 yards

Ryan - Sacked 23 time for a loss of 158 yards
- Fumbled 4 times, 3 fumbles lost
- 46 rushes for 122 yards
 
More fun stats from 2010 for comparison:

Schaub - Sacked 32 times for a loss of 226 yards
- Fumbled 9 times, 3 fumbles lost
- 22 rushes for 28 yards

Ryan - Sacked 23 time for a loss of 158 yards
- Fumbled 4 times, 3 fumbles lost
- 46 rushes for 122 yards

Other than Icak in this discussion, I don't really think the people that are acting like Schaub is way better even care about the stats unless they are stats that favor Schaub. Last year in the off season I had several folks making these very same types of arguments for Matt Schaub against Aaron Rodgers saying how Matt Schaub was better and all this stuff. They're going to argue for the guy who plays for the Texans no matter what unless it's a guy who already won a SB or Brady and Manning.
 
I "cherry picked" the stats where there was a significant difference.

Matt Schaub threw exactly 3 more passes than Matt Ryan. I don't know where you get that we threw a lot more. :rolleyes:

I don't downplay the TDs, but the lower number of INTs are because Ryan is a game manager who does not take chances.

So the defense was among the worst in league history but the #2 offense in the NFL is why we lost? Put the crack pipe down.

I call Matt Ryan a Game Manager because he is not a Game Breaker. 6.5 yards/attempt is flat out DAVID FREAKING CARR territory. 3,700 yards is AVERAGE for a QB who starts 16 games in the modern NFL. You keep saying "almost 4,000" like it's something special. No, 3,700 yards is not special in the pass happy 21st century NFL. Ryan was 15th in yards per game. FIFTEENTH. ONE FIVE. AVERAGE.

And Montana wasn't a stat god? 1989 70.1% completions, 270 yards/game, 26 TD, 8 INT, 9.1 YPA , 112.4 QB rating aren't great stats? He put those up against defenses that weren't handicapped by offense friendly rules.
 
I "cherry picked" the stats where there was a significant difference.

And you still didn't prove your point with those stats. The most important ones in my book were in Matt's favor.

Matt Schaub threw exactly 3 more passes than Matt Ryan. I don't know where you get that we threw a lot more. :rolleyes:

Then how in the hell is he a game manager to you?? Do you not notice how many times you contradict yourself?? If the Texans were one of the most pass happy offenses in the league, but Matt threw right around the same number off passes, UUUUUMMM that shows that he had to throw the ball around just as much. Game managers are guys that play for teams where they barely throw the ball around and hand the ball off all of the time like what Kerry Collins was in Tennessee or what Brad Johnson was for the Bucs when they won the SB.

I don't downplay the TDs, but the lower number of INTs are because Ryan is a game manager who does not take chances.

Lol!! Is that going to be all you keep saying? You just said yourself that he had to throw the ball just as much, so how is he taking less chances?? DO you hear what you're saying? No, that means he was more careful and made better decisions as a passer and didn't commit as many TO's. And even if Matt threw way less passes, that doesn't mean he threw less picks just because of that either. You seem to think that throwing bombs all day are what make a guy the best QB. I've got news for you. It's not.

So the defense was among the worst in league history but the #2 offense in the NFL is why we lost? Put the crack pipe down.

Show me where the Texans were the #2 scoring offense per game. That is the only stat that matters when comparing the best offenses in the league. Points win games. Not yards.

I call Matt Ryan a Game Manager because he is not a Game Breaker. 6.5 yards/attempt is flat out DAVID FREAKING CARR territory. 3,700 yards is AVERAGE for a QB who starts 16 games in the modern NFL. You keep saying "almost 4,000" like it's something special. No, 3,700 yards is not special in the pass happy 21st century NFL. Ryan was 15th in yards per game. FIFTEENTH. ONE FIVE. AVERAGE.

3,700 yards is damn good in any season for a QB. It's not elite as far as stats go, but it was okay for Elway, Montana, and Tom Brady when they were having great seasons. If you can put up yards like that and lead your team to 13 wins, you're out of your mind if you're going to say that a QB who did that didn't have a very good season.

And Montana wasn't a stat god? 1989 70.1% completions, 270 yards/game, 26 TD, 8 INT, 9.1 YPA , 112.4 QB rating aren't great stats? He put those up against defenses that weren't handicapped by offense friendly rules.

He wasn't a stat god with yards and TD passes year to year. He always threw a very low # of INT's and made very little mistakes. Montana never tried to do much and that's what made him great. He was the king of poise and being calm. He was Joe Cool.

And are you suggesting that Ryan and Schaub aren't playing against great defenses none the less? We've seen some of the greatest defenses of all time just in the last ten years in the Ravens, Steelers, and the Bucs.
 
Whenever our running game SUCKED in 2009 teams knew we were gonna throw, and YET he still lead the league in passing yards. So even with teams knowing what was coming he still leads the league in passing. Seriously someone needs to take off their Matt Ryan underwear and breathe a little, theyre to tight and cutting off circulation. :kitten:
 
Whenever our running game SUCKED in 2009 teams knew we were gonna throw, and YET he still lead the league in passing yards. So even with teams knowing what was coming he still leads the league in passing. Seriously someone needs to take off their Matt Ryan underwear and breathe a little, theyre to tight and cutting off circulation. :kitten:

Yeah, I'd rather debate with facts and logic than start a thread about how the entire forum is trash because people don't agree with me. That usually comes off better.
 
Yeah, I'd rather debate with facts and logic than start a thread about how the entire forum is trash because people don't agree with me. That usually comes off better.

i stated a fact. Though we had one of the worst running games in the NFL in 2009, Matt Schaub still finished first in passing yards. So even though teams knew we were throwing the ball they couldnt stop us/schaub. That is a fact.
 
i stated a fact. Though we had one of the worst running games in the NFL in 2009, Matt Schaub still finished first in passing yards. So even though teams knew we were throwing the ball they couldnt stop us/schaub. That is a fact.

I'm sorry, but I just don't care to engage with you on this. This doesn't feel like an objective conversation we're having here and you've began to get childish.
 
I'm sorry, but I just don't care to engage with you on this. This doesn't feel like an objective conversation we're having here and you've began to get childish.

I'm sorry i brought some MORE reality into the thread for you. I will take my childish ass else where. Although neither have won even 1 play-off game so who really cares whos better, we dont play to MAKE the play-offs we play to win the Superbowl. So who cares, we'll all see in time.
 
not sure how that changes my comments.

Which is that year in and year out Matt is among the leaders in pass attempts.

Is Ryan always that close to him? I dunno

Maybe, just maybe, folks should start using last names in this thread as the debate is between two Matt's.
 
not sure how that changes my comments.

Which is that year in and year out Matt is among the leaders in pass attempts.

Is Ryan always that close to him? I dunno

The year prior to that Ryan threw for only 451 times to Schaub's 583 attempts. However Ryan was hurt and played two less games, but that was still a pretty significant difference. Last season they seemed to let Ryan throw the ball a lot more since it was his 3rd year when most QB's and WR's get real comfortable in the NFL. The Texans throw a lot in general because Kubiak likes to pass and because we've got pretty good weapons in the passing game. ATL had Michael Turner running the ball a lot as well before last season.
 
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