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NFL.com:Carr ties consecutive completions record

Our defense gives up two 80+ TD's and another one with 9 seconds left on the clock, our FB fumbles at the 6, and our OLG gets called for a holding penalty on a play Carr runs to the 11. Carr leads the team on three TD drives, yet it is somehow his fault? Heck if it weren't for Pitts penalty and Cook's fumble we might have scored 35.

Carr clearly lost the Dallas and Tennesee games, but I think some of you will blame every loss on him regardless of the circumstances.
 
trublu said:
It seems to me that about half of his passes were for more than at least 10 yds, yet he is still the "king of dink and dump". I guess people just choose to see what they want and ignore the rest.:twocents:
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the NFL calls it YAC....yards after catch.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser . This franchise had a tiger by the tale , great fans , high picks , a huge homefield advantage , its gone in five years and theres only one main component left .

Carr is the face of the franchise ... he gets some blame . All the excuses about him being rich and pretty and their girlfirends likes him is weak . 99% just care about football .

Why do you think he's cute ?
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Yea and 85% of them dont know squat about the sport other then just waiting for the ESPN top 10 plays to come on.

I think he is doing a DARN!!!!!!! Good job considering this is his first year in this system, just waite tell we run the ball like we want to, I mean really run it, with a back that derfenses fear, Adrian Peterson!
 
Not a Carr hater, nor a Carr pimp, but that's precisely why I have been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The first four years under the old regime were simply a waste. A waste of all those things that Honoring Earl mentioned and thats why I am considering this almost a rookie season for him.

HOWEVER, if he does not continue to improve - then I say we re-evaluate.
 
Hulk75 said:
Yea and 85% of them dont know squat about the sport other then just waiting for the ESPN top 10 plays to come on.

I think he is doing a DARN!!!!!!! Good job considering this is his first year in this system, just waite tell we run the ball like we want to, I mean really run it, with a back that derfenses fear, Adrian Peterson!
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Most of us have been around sports longer than you've been alive ... having said that no I did'nt play at New Mexico or whatever but I have been involved in a lot of winning and understand what it takes or whats lacking .

Carr could be with the Colts and he'd look down Marvin Harrison .
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I have been supportive of Carr this year but have had enough of the bs excuses. I have had enough of his act and its time to ship his arse off.
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And do what? Replace him with some QB fresh out of college so we can be assured of more losing seasons instead of building around someone already in the system? Or get some washed-up QB through free agency or trade that no one else wants? Please, do tell what we should do. This should be interesting...
:stirpot:
 
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
And do what? Replace him with some QB fresh out of college so we can be assured of more losing seasons instead of building around someone already in the system? Or get some washed-up QB through free agency or trade that no one else wants? Please, do tell what we should do. This should be interesting...
:stirpot:
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Romo , Rivers , and Gradkowski are first year starters . Romo and Gradkowski are a 6th rd. pick and a FA . I have watched each make plays to WIN games .

The point is we can get a 3-6 record with an undrafted FA or a 6th pick and spend the extra cash on a FA LB .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Romo , Rivers , and Gradkowski are first year starters . Romo and Gradkowski are a 6th rd. pick and a FA . I have watched each make plays to WIN games .

The point is we can get a 3-6 record with an undrafted FA or a 6th pick and spend the extra cash on a FA LB .
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Nevermind
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Most of us have been around sports longer than you've been alive ... having said that no I did'nt play at New Mexico or whatever but I have been involved in a lot of winning and understand what it takes or whats lacking .

Carr could be with the Colts and he'd look down Marvin Harrison .
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Thank You for proving my point. Have another beer at the games then tell everyone how the QB possition should be played.

My favorite today from John McClain.........
At a time when former players and coaches among the national media are talking about Carr's improvement under Kubiak, his critics within the Texans' fan base are convinced the team will never win consistently with him at quarterback.
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So old players and coaches in the national media vs Texans fan base? Who to believe? old players and coaches that have been at footballs highest competition or the guy that said he has been "watching" football longer then I have been alive O and he never played.
 
Hulk75 said:
Thank You for proving my point. Have another beer at the games then tell everyone how the QB possition should be played.

My favorite today from John McClain.........

So old players and coaches in the national media vs Texans fan base? Who to believe? old players and coaches that have been at footballs highest competition or the guy that said he has been "watching" football longer then I have been alive O and he never played.
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Go figure!!
 
Hulk75 said:
So old players and coaches in the national media vs Texans fan base? Who to believe? old players and coaches that have been at footballs highest competition or the guy that said he has been "watching" football longer then I have been alive O and he never played.
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How many of them actually watch our games? How many of them have as much time, emotion and dollars invested in the Texans as us? They are simply pundits that watch highlights with a beer in their hand just like us.

Results are not in Carr's or the national media's favor. We unfortunately endure this mess on a weekly basis.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Certainly could not hurt.

Kiss the Ring,
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
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Two of those guys had the #1 ranked defense in the NFL behind them when they won their ring and the third guy had the #7 ranked defense in the NFL, the 2002 Bucs and the 2000 Ravens both had the #1 defense in the NFL and the 1999 Rams had the #7 overall ranked defense in the NFL while 2 of the 3 guys ran offenses that were ranked misddle of the pack overall.
 
texan279 said:
Two of those guys had the #1 ranked defense in the NFL behind them when they won their ring and the third guy had the #7 ranked defense in the NFL, the 2002 Bucs and the 2000 Ravens both had the #1 defense in the NFL and the 1999 Rams had the #7 overall ranked defense in the NFL while 2 of the 3 guys ran offenses that were ranked misddle of the pack overall.
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Exactly the type of team I want. Low cost QB, spend elsewhere.
 
Hulk75 said:
Thank You for proving my point. Have another beer at the games then tell everyone how the QB possition should be played.

My favorite today from John McClain.........

So old players and coaches in the national media vs Texans fan base? Who to believe? old players and coaches that have been at footballs highest competition or the guy that said he has been "watching" football longer then I have been alive O and he never played.
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I said I never played college ... I did'nt say I've never played . That does'nt matter anyway cause at the end of the day your not good enough to be out there either . So what makes your opinion worth a damn .

The Texans will be the only expansion team since the league merger not to have a winnig record by its 5th year ... ##$#% impressive . Carr has been the QB all 5 yrs and he's not any better than Tony Romo a first year starter and an undrafted free agent . That is the problem that you don't have to have sacked Chris Sims to see .
 
we are the only expansion team after 5 years is still trying to find Offensive tackles.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Exactly the type of team I want. Low cost QB, spend elsewhere.
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We've basically spent everywhere except on the offensive line and the secondary. This season we've got $11 mil tied up in our top 3 WR's, $13 mil tied up on our 4 starting defensive linemen, almost $8 mil tied up in our 3 starting LB's, $9.1 mil spent this season on our starting offensive line. We've got more than double tied up this season in our starting front 7 on defense than we do in our starting 5 on the O line.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I said I never played college ... I did'nt say I've never played . That does'nt matter anyway cause at the end of the day your not good enough to be out there either . So what makes your opinion worth a damn .

The Texans will be the only expansion team since the league merger not to have a winnig record by its 5th year ... ##$#% impressive . Carr has been the QB all 5 yrs and he's not any better than Tony Romo a first year starter and an undrafted free agent . That is the problem that you don't have to have sacked Chris Sims to see .
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Romo also has 3 Pro Bowl lineman blocking for him.
 
Vinny said:
the NFL calls it YAC....yards after catch.
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Watch the game again those passes were caught beyond 8 yards at least. The 25 yarder to Moulds was caught and step out of bounds with only 1 YAC. There were many others where the ball was caught 12 to 15 yds deep. Choose to call it what you will, I just think Carr can do no right in some of the peoples eyes on this board. No matter what.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The Texans will be the only expansion team since the league merger not to have a winnig record by its 5th year ... ##$#% impressive . Carr has been the QB all 5 yrs and he's not any better than Tony Romo a first year starter and an undrafted free agent . That is the problem that you don't have to have sacked Chris Sims to see .
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Romo might be a first year starter but he has been in the system for years now. He also happens to have a top 10 Defense and a pretty good running tandem. You could try to compare QBs all you want but there are 21 other players that contribute to wins and losses. But since you have been watching football since before I was born as well, you probably already knew that.
 
trublu said:
Romo might be a first year starter but he has been in the system for years now. He also happens to have a top 10 Defense and a pretty good running tandem. You could try to compare QBs all you want but there are 21 other players that contribute to wins and losses. But since you have been watching football since before I was born as well, you probably already knew that.
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Romo has the same team Bledsoe had you know. The easy 2+2 = 4 conclusion could be that if you improve the QB play the team amazingly looks like a playoff team.
 
I agree with that, yet sadly in some's eyes if Carr passed for 400 yards, it isn't Carr that did that it is the WR's that made the plays ... also like Brees last week threw for 500+ yards and they lost. if that happened on here, the focus would be on the pass that Carr didn't complete.

It is unfortuant but sometimes I think Carr will never be good enough for the fans of the Texans..I am like you he has all the tools (some reason his deep ball is horrible looking at times), yet his mental game is lacking, I don't know how many OC he has had (4?) over the years, but hopefully Kubiak can bring some stability to David's mental game.
 
Vinny said:
Romo has the same team Bledsoe had you know. The easy 2+2 = 4 conclusion could be that if you improve the QB play the team amazingly looks like a playoff team.
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Well then that's a knock on Bledsoe not Carr. Go to the Cowboys message board and complain about Bledsoe all you want. Carr does not have that running game and the #6 defence.

If the Texans had won the game there wouldn't be this discussion on Carr. So if our prevent defence (which doesn't prevent a darn thing) would have stopped the Bills on the final drive nobody would be complaining about Carr.
 
Romo has the same team Bledsoe had you know. The easy 2+2 = 4 conclusion could be that if you improve the QB play the team amazingly looks like a playoff team.
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or like they could actually make a comeback and win a game, like Sage in the second half of the Titans game. Especially when he scored 3 TD's in a half, which would be Carrs RECORD of TD's for an entire game, counted in a peroid of over 65 games now.

But hey, glad Carr set a 22 in a row completion record. While scoring no TD's again. :yikes: nice. completely useless to the team, but nice for him. :superman:

big whoop :twocents:
 
thegr8fan said:
or like they could actually make a comeback and win a game, like Sage in the second half of the Titans game. Especially when he scored 3 TD's in a half, which would be Carrs RECORD of TD's for an entire game, counted in a peroid of over 65 games now.

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So how did Sage do against the Jags when Carr went out with the shoulder injury? Did he light up the defence? How many TDs did he throw? How well did he avoid the pressure? Surely you remember.
 
trublu said:
So how did Sage do against the Jags when Carr went out with the shoulder injury? Did he light up the defence? How many TDs did he throw? How well did he avoid the pressure? Surely you remember.
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He threw three passes....

Hardly a big enough sample size to ask whether he "lit up the defense" or not....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
He threw three passes....

Hardly a big enough sample size to ask whether he "lit up the defense" or not....
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He went in with 14 min in the fourth and had 4 possesions. 2 went for four and out, 1 for three and out and the final one was kneeled down to run out the clock. My point is not his stats but his management/presence in the game. Carr haters are so eager to throw Sage in there as if he were the savior. I'm not hating on Sage but I don't think he is better than Carr and I think Kubiak feels the same way too.
 
trublu said:
So how did Sage do against the Jags when Carr went out with the shoulder injury? Did he light up the defence? How many TDs did he throw? How well did he avoid the pressure? Surely you remember.
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He was 1/3 .... of course one his incompletions was the Daniels fumble , drop . The defense and their 4 ints won that game . Carr's major contribution was no turnovers .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
He was 1/3 .... of course one his incompletions was the Daniels fumble , drop . The defense and their 4 ints won that game . Carr's major contribution was no turnovers .
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so...cooks fumble in the red zone doesn't give David any slack for a possible TD?
 
I'm not hating on Sage but I don't think he is better than Carr and I think Kubiak feels the same way too.
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on this we agree totally. Sage and Carr are definite equals. One isn't a #1 draft pick with multi million dollar paycheck every payday, 65+ games starting, and a record of 15-53 though.

you figure out which one that is.

Carr is a marginal starter and a good backup. Just like Sage. IMHO.

bet your tail that if we lost that game ..defense would be blamed not Sage esp after going for it on 4th and short
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and if we are going to 'what if' this thing, if AJ hadn't of broken up an INT with a Pass Interference penalty, we wouldn't be reading about Carr's new passing record anyway.

so who really gets the credit for this record?
 
I say give it to the Oline as much of a beating they have taken from us fans they deserve the credit giving how beat up they are and basicly a bunch of backups give the the line a little love not to much they might get a big head.:joker:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I said I never played college ... I did'nt say I've never played . That does'nt matter anyway cause at the end of the day your not good enough to be out there either . So what makes your opinion worth a damn .

The Texans will be the only expansion team since the league merger not to have a winnig record by its 5th year ... ##$#% impressive . Carr has been the QB all 5 yrs and he's not any better than Tony Romo a first year starter and an undrafted free agent . That is the problem that you don't have to have sacked Chris Sims to see .
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Cause wise guy, I have suited up and gone to a camp or two in my day, and I still play hoping to get a look. Thats why I know more and have been around coaches and players that know more, "Honor"-34 by never questioning my knowledge of football again, I have been through more football then you could ever dream, I got the NFL checks, jerseys and helments to prove it.

Well you know what, lets just go to the super bowl, who cares what kind of players and coaches were around this guy when he first got here.
 
thegr8fan said:
on this we agree totally. Sage and Carr are definite equals. One isn't a #1 draft pick with multi million dollar paycheck every payday, 65+ games starting, and a record of 15-53 though.

you figure out which one that is.

Carr is a marginal starter and a good backup. Just like Sage. IMHO.



and if we are going to 'what if' this thing, if AJ hadn't of broken up an INT with a Pass Interference penalty, we wouldn't be reading about Carr's new passing record anyway.

so who really gets the credit for this record?
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personally I wasn't worried about the record if you read my early posts, all I was happy about is that we set a record against someone instead of having one set against us, it felt good for the change and yes, I wanted a "W" but it didn't happen

however through the miles of posts that got lost in translation on my side.
 
Hulk75 said:
Cause wise guy, I have suited up and gone to a camp or two in my day, and I still play hoping to get a look. Thats why I know more and have been around coaches and players that know more, "Honor"-34 by never questioning my knowledge of football again, I have been through more football then you could ever dream, I got the NFL checks, jerseys and helments to prove it.

Well you know what, lets just go to the super bowl, who cares what kind of players and coaches were around this guy when he first got here.
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I live in the real world where I have to hope my schedule allows me to watch a game or parts of it or tape it ( job , kids , etc , ) . I sometimes watch half and listen to half because of obligations . I feel like I've wasted 3 hrs when all we have to do is complete a 2yd. pass and can't do it ... I said before Kubiak's seeing if the dog can hunt or is it a porch dog .

I don't care if it was my son ... after five years of losing I'd say a change is needed simply because he's not near where he should be . Romo's QB coach is that lousy Chris Palmer and right now Romo is a better QB .

ps . If your gonna give a negative rep sign it .
 
Houston QB David Carr is the most-sacked quarterback in the NFL the last four years, but the Bills only got to him twice because the Texans employed their tight ends as extra blockers and used a short passing game that allowed Carr to release the ball quickly. Although he tied an NFL record with 22 consecutive completions, 12 of them were for six yards or less.
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kubiak's game plan maybe?

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061121/1015164.asp
 
Hulk75 said:
Cause wise guy, I have suited up and gone to a camp or two in my day, and I still play hoping to get a look. Thats why I know more and have been around coaches and players that know more, "Honor"-34 by never questioning my knowledge of football again, I have been through more football then you could ever dream, I got the NFL checks, jerseys and helments to prove it.Well you know what, lets just go to the super bowl, who cares what kind of players and coaches were around this guy when he first got here.
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Yet you still defend Carr given your bevy of knowledge and experience in the professional ranks. Not that you already know this, but you play the game to win. That may help you on your journey to land a job. Supporting and defending players that have a penchant for playing for losing teams while commanding a top salary would only be my role model for how to collect a check without earning it. You should model after Sage, a guy that scratches and claws his way to find a spot on a roster and when called upon performs to expectations.

Best of luck on making a team.
 
Allrighty now I guess we have gotten a little out of hand .

Hulk I give you the X's and O's part but you fly down to Texas and we'll play a game about player history at 10$ a question until your broke ... then I'll take you to dinner . KT you can come to and bring some of that Tito's Vodka .

HulK , I have no problems with you , I just think a 7,000,000 dollar QB should make plays at the end of the game to seal the deal ... no excuses .

You guys have a Happy Thanksgivng and try to stomach watching Detroit .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Allrighty now I guess we have gotten a little out of hand .

Hulk I give you the X's and O's part but you fly down to Texas and we'll play a game about player history at 10$ a question until your broke ... then I'll take you to dinner . KT you can come to and bring some of that Tito's Vodka .

HulK , I have no problems with you , I just think a 7,000,000 dollar QB should make plays at the end of the game to seal the deal ... no excuses .

You guys have a Happy Thanksgivng and try to stomach watching Detroit .
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Austin's award winning Vodka and Austin's award winning Sweet Leaf Honey Mint Tea make for a great concoction which I like to call the South Austin Tea Party.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I live in the real world where I have to hope my schedule allows me to watch a game or parts of it or tape it ( job , kids , etc , ) . I sometimes watch half and listen to half because of obligations . I feel like I've wasted 3 hrs when all we have to do is complete a 2yd. pass and can't do it ... I said before Kubiak's seeing if the dog can hunt or is it a porch dog .

I don't care if it was my son ... after five years of losing I'd say a change is needed simply because he's not near where he should be . Romo's QB coach is that lousy Chris Palmer and right now Romo is a better QB .

ps . If your gonna give a negative rep sign it .
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Sorry not me!
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The record shows that efficient QB play alone is not effective. Carr played a better game last week when he barely completed half of his passes, but made key throws, nice runs and displayed a general toughness.

As for the no TDs in 4 weeks, I thought it was two weeks and felt disappointed. 4 weeks is pathetic.
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What it shows is it takes a team effort to get a win. Qb's don't win games alone ask Trent Dilfer to show you his SB ring.
 
TPIMP said:
What it shows is it takes a team effort to get a win. Qb's don't win games alone ask Trent Dilfer to show you his SB ring.
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Exactly. A low cost QB affords you the ability to spend it on the other 52. I would have zero problem with Carr if he were paid as Dilfer was.
 
Vinny said:
Romo has the same team Bledsoe had you know. The easy 2+2 = 4 conclusion could be that if you improve the QB play the team amazingly looks like a playoff team.
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And using that logic if we had Chris Palmer we would be a playoff team? Not as simple as 2+2.
 
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