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New Orleans - Split off from Vince Announcing thread
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LikeABoss
Rookie
The city is being rebuilt, the Superdome is being rebuilt, hell they are already playing college basketball in New Orleans and the Hornets will be playing 3 games back there this season. I don't think you really know the conditions of the city, cause if it was that bad Taglibue would not let the Saints play in New Orleans next season.
The Saints has way less holes than you think. But, I'll just let you live in your little delusional world on that one.
Not really, you should have never replied to me to begin with cause my question was never intended for you.
LikeABoss
Rookie
This is gonna change, the Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis seems intent on turning this team into a winner. It was his decision to fire Haslett, and Tom Ben$son gave him full authority to turn this team around with no questions asked.
It seems the Saints aren't the only underachieving team, plus that will be changed next season with a better coach in place.
Well right now, they are in Louisiana and the commissioner is giving the people of Louisiana a chance to show that they can still support the team. It's up to the fans to show that they can still support the team. As far as Katrina, well that's over.
Please name the free agents that don't won't to be there. The only free agents I know that are leaving is Darren Howard. LeCharles will be franchised, and he also said in a interview with Kenny Wilkerson that he wants to play with the Saints.
LikeABoss
Rookie
Tulip said:
The organization is making step towards change, it's pretty obvious when they decided to let Haslett go. What else can be proven right now? The Saints will be interviewing head coaching candidates next week when they officially move back into their training facility.
LikeABoss said:
Do we really need to explain this any further? Look, don't take this wrong but you don't reside in N.O.. If your boss made you re-locate your family there right now I'm guessing you would not be dancing in the streets. Its unfortunate what happened there and nobody is questioning that the city is not rebuilding and things won't get better...N.O. will and they will be stronger for it! Its just not a place you want to start an NFL career at right now. Its like re-locating into a house that is undergoing a complete remodel...its confusing, loud, dusty, and hard to focus...
The Dream
All Pro
Yes, actually I have....I work at a real estate office and we always get people from N.O. coming in saying they want out of their city, because there's nothing to go back to, just because there are a few businesses opened in the French Quarter doesn't mean the city is back to normal.....I'm done arguing this point, because I think some people like to argue just for the sake of it.
LikeABoss
Rookie
BREAZE said:
You really don't know the conditions of the city other than what you saw on TV. Just ask yourself, if the commissioner has been to New Orleans, do you really think he would let one of his teams play in the city of New Orleans if things were that bad. I mean the commissioner is observing this whole thing.
LikeABoss
Rookie
The Dream said:
So the stadium is gonna be empty because a majority of the people in New Orleans are not living there anymore? Fans do travel to games, and not all Saints fans were just in the city of New Orleans or even the State of Louisiana. The Saints have fans in the state of Mississippi, Alabama, even some in Texas even before the relocation to San Antonio.
Jack Bauer
Rookie
LikeABoss said:
If the city of New Orleans' population never regains the numbers before Katrina, the NFL will not remain there long term. There are estimates that the city will probably be a city of approximately 250,000. Unless the number gets to pre-Katrina numbers, the team will move. The team is barely viable with the approximately 500,000 it had before Katrina.
I don't like the way Benson handled the situation, but I do think NO is in danger of losing their team down the road.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
The Dream said:
Have you physically been there? Because I have been back there and am moving back to New Orleans next week. Yes, there are a lot of bad areas that are going to take a long time to rebuild. Nobody is denying it. But I really don't think that Vince Young or Matt Leinart or whoever is going to be spending a lot of time in the Lower 9th Ward, Chalmette, and the Lakeview areas. They will probably be living and doing stuff in one of four areas, the West Bank, Metarie, Downtown, or Uptown. All of those areas are relatively unscathed compared to some of the other areas.
Bongo59
Waterboy
I am in NO right now.............Jefferson Parish in Metairie where the training facility is is perfectly normal................Orleans Parish is a complete mess...............nothing north of Carrolton Ave is livable and NO East and St Bernanrd Parish will not have any inhabitants for the next decade....................there is no power still in parts of downtown NO.................when NO had a full population they could not fill the dome.............now that the city has 50% of its population I expect 25 K in the dome.....................the City wont be normal for at least a decade.
Jack Bauer
Rookie
LikeABoss said:
And I stand by my original statement. Even with people coming from outside New Orleans, the city can not support a professional football team with a population of 250,000 or less. The Saints were BARELY viable with 500,000 people in the city as I said before. If you take 250,000 people from the city, it will be impossible. The television market was already pretty bad, now it is even worse. I just don't see it working unless the city reaches levels we just can't imagine right now.
FWIW, I do want to say that New Orleans loves the Saints. I just do not think it is viable for the team to stay there in the current state. Saints attendance wasn't that far behind Houston's before this season (not the only measure of viability).
LikeABoss
Rookie
Zephyr said:
I didn't think that would have any affect on this really.
I thought the commissioner was giving the fans and entire state a chance to see if it can still support the team. It's impossible to expect just the city of New Orleans to support the team with the condition that the city is in right now.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I don't think this thread has any real validity. Most draft picks would be thankful to play for any team. Just because Eli Manning pulled a ***** move and refused to play for SD doesn't mean that any of this yrs draft prospects share the same perspective. Point A) NO may suck, but guess what if the w-l record is any indication then we suck worse. I don't know about their specific team potential, but they have a good receiver in Horn and good back in McAllister. If Brooks left then they are in great position (even though I thought he said if they went to another city he would leave, which makes me doubt it would happen cuz the st's are staying in NO for the time being.)to draft a good QB right now or get a QB in FA. Also I don't think we could say their line is worse than ours considering we want one of their linemen. Point B) perennial underachievers, this really has nothing to do with the future, NO could turn things around next yr. they are in the same boat as us. No head coach as of yet and a good high draft pick. Matter of fact they might be in better position then us to improve next yr. Point C) rebuilding in the city is bad, but once the situation settles down the Saint's should once again be well settled in NO, and fanbase could go up because the team distracted the cities inhabitants during a dark time. I would not wish for NO to loose a team the way we did. Damn Bud for that.
bdiddy
Waterboy
No offense by the Saints have won one playoff game in their history, do not have a coach (Haslett could not wait to get out of town), a poor and cheap owner, no QB, and are playing in a city that will take at least a decade to be rebuilt.
New Orleans is that, trust me I live in San Antonio and we have got plenty of Saints coverage. The players do not want to go back because they no as much. I admire your dedication to your team and wish the Saints and the city the best, but if you are honest with yourself you have to realize N.O. is not an attractive franchise right now.
New Orleans is that, trust me I live in San Antonio and we have got plenty of Saints coverage. The players do not want to go back because they no as much. I admire your dedication to your team and wish the Saints and the city the best, but if you are honest with yourself you have to realize N.O. is not an attractive franchise right now.
Fiddy
All Pro
It's like the Jacksonville situation, it's hard to fill up a statidum when it would take a good portion of the city to be their at the game. These people are also rebuilding so they cant spend hundreds of dollars on a football game when they need to rebuild their lives.LikeABoss said:I don't get it
Wolf
100% Texan
change the uniforms and that might be the 1st step to making the city better
sorry had to throw some ill fated humor on here.
Nothing against N.O. but if L.A. had a stadium ready right now.. the commish would have yanked that team to L.A. and not have a small debate about whether the owner wanted to move to San Antonio and the league wanted to stay in N.O.
sorry had to throw some ill fated humor on here.
Nothing against N.O. but if L.A. had a stadium ready right now.. the commish would have yanked that team to L.A. and not have a small debate about whether the owner wanted to move to San Antonio and the league wanted to stay in N.O.
Long-Spurs-Texan
Waterboy
The problems with the NO Saints are many. I don't envy the situation that they are in one bit. The team was already being subsidized by the State of Loiusiana to stay, as it is not economically viable as an NFL franchise to be there in the first place. NFL teams NEED big business, luxury boxes, TV ratings, & merchandising to stay profitable in todays times of huge salaries. The problem before Katrina was there is only 1 Fortune 500 company in LA period. That's not going to get it done. Saints tickets were being given away practically to garner support for the team. Now Katrina has come. The city of NO & state of LA have NO BUSINESS giving sports franchises a single penny while there are still in a disaster area. The Superdome with the bathroom rapes and piles of dead bodies & fecal matter needs to be razed...Benson should be allowed to move the team to San Antonio. The city has show that they will support the team in every way. As far as Tagliabue giving a crap about the Saints, please. His act this season has shown he doesn't give 2 craps about the Saints, or Louisiana. The NFL gave a Million dollars for relief. That doesn't even register as pocket lint for them.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8790459
Kevin Garnett of the T-Wolves gave more than the NFL.
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/community/garnett_oprah_051110.html
When Tagliabue FINALLY met with Saints personnel at the end of the season, he answered all questions except one. A Saints player asked Tagliabue if he would have his family in NO. Tagliabue just ignored the question. SAD.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8790459
Kevin Garnett of the T-Wolves gave more than the NFL.
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/community/garnett_oprah_051110.html
When Tagliabue FINALLY met with Saints personnel at the end of the season, he answered all questions except one. A Saints player asked Tagliabue if he would have his family in NO. Tagliabue just ignored the question. SAD.
MorKnolle
All Pro
Another note, even before Katrina, New Orleans was one of, if not the worst, team in NFL in terms of fan support, revenue generation, and general profitability. I think Hurrican Katrina will actually keep the team there longer as the NFL tries to support the rebuilding of the city and everything, but without that happening I think the Saints would have been headed to Los Angeles within a couple years anyways, which may be prolonged longer now, but I still think it is inevitable.
MorKnolle said:
Please don't spread misinformation like this. You are only adding to widely thought falsehoods and showing your own ignorance. The Saints were one of the BEST franchises as far as fan support goes. This is proven by having 36 consecutive sellouts leading up to their temporary move to San Antonio. This despite their losing ways on the field and a hated owner. It has yet to be seen if fans will continue to pack the superdome, but you also have to realize that a large portion of the fans with money (middle and upper class) just moved across Lake Ponchatrain to Covington/Mandaville or to Baton Rouge and surrounding areas. I think fans will rally knowing what is at stake and support the team more than ever before. This coupled with the excitement over a Leinert/Bush, and a determined government/league to keep the team will get it done. The Saints aren't going anywhere.
Long-Spurs-Texan
Waterboy
Yes, the Saints fans have shown that they can pack a stadium like no other. They all have excellent hands, accepting near free tickets. As far as "fans rallying", huh? Lemme see, I'll take the 4 tickets for $40 instead of rebuilding my house. Right. I for one would like to see the government determined to do something that makes sense, like feeding & housing people. Screw football.
TheOgre
All Pro
Young/Lineart, McAllister, Horn, and Stallworth make for a formidable set of skill position players. They have pass-rushing ends coming out of all orifices. This team can get to the playoffs fast with a good head coach if it weren't for the "other problems". There are some issues right now:
1. The owner wanted to move this team BEFORE Katrina. They had to pay him $15 million a year just to keep him in town. It is still an option and an issue.
2. New Orleans is still a city in flux. They may not even have the Super Dome ready for play in 2006. There are health concerns and more pressing issues than a football team right now in that city.
3. The city was "small" for NFL standards. They have lost a considerable amount of their residents permanently. Even if they fill the seats due to "city pride" the first couple of seasons, how long will it be before it returns to "normal" and it is an issue again?
4. It will be difficult to sign FA's to come play there. Why would anyone want to go through the hell they endured last year?
I just have more questions than answers when it comes to the Saint's future.
1. The owner wanted to move this team BEFORE Katrina. They had to pay him $15 million a year just to keep him in town. It is still an option and an issue.
2. New Orleans is still a city in flux. They may not even have the Super Dome ready for play in 2006. There are health concerns and more pressing issues than a football team right now in that city.
3. The city was "small" for NFL standards. They have lost a considerable amount of their residents permanently. Even if they fill the seats due to "city pride" the first couple of seasons, how long will it be before it returns to "normal" and it is an issue again?
4. It will be difficult to sign FA's to come play there. Why would anyone want to go through the hell they endured last year?
I just have more questions than answers when it comes to the Saint's future.
LikeABoss
Rookie
Long-Spurs-Texan said:
The Green Bay Packers don't even have a majority of this stuff. Are they suffering without it?
Who gives a crap about San Antonio and the people there. I would rather the team move to L.A. before Tag's decides to give the people of that city a football franchise. San Antonio doesn't deserve a NFL franchise, especially after the classless way the mayor and people of that city handled this whole situation. Anybody BUT San Antonio is worthy of having the Saints if they decide to leave.
Long-Spurs-Texan
Waterboy
The Green bay Packers are publicly held, that's why they aren't suffering. "Titletown" also has a heritage of winning championships. San Antonio did exactly what the front running non fans of So Cal couldn't do. They had OPEN ARMS, a stadium, plans to renovate, local government and HUGE corporations behind their efforts. Sounds good to me. What would the Saints have done without San Antonio last year? Many a Texans fan would think that Los Angeles would never deserve a franchise after all the BS that Tagliabue shoveled on the city of Houston during the expansion process. So Cal has the worst fans (unless they are winning championships).
LikeABoss
Rookie
And who publicly holds the Packers?
And the pathetic people of San Antonio are the ones that want to inherit this dissaster of a franchise and and it's pathetic loser of an owner. So what's your point?
The people of San Antonio and that coward, punk ***** of a mayor Phil Turdbuger are the most classless, unsympathetic, uncompassionate people on this got damn planet. To sit up here and slap the people of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana right in the face while SUPPOSEDLY trying to lend a hand, says enough about the people of that city. Trust me, there is not alot of respect for people over there coming from here. They definitely won't recieve a warm welcome if they come to any Saints games out here in Baton Rouge or New Orleans next season that's for sure.
Go to Oklahoma City like the Hornets
I still don't see how New Orleans can support a team right now, and if I understand it correctly, the state was paying the saints a substancial amount of money already. Tag. needs to convince Benson to move his franchise to LA. New Orleans would keep the rights to the teams name and colors, then, when the city gets back on it's feet and people and bussiness, then, award the city a new franchise with the old name and colors. You get rid of Benson and get a fresh start. Worked well in Houston.
Long-Spurs-Texan
Waterboy
Titletown is Green Bay...
LikeABoss
Rookie
The city can't support the team alone, especially not at it's current state.
True, Tom Ben$on is raping the state out of money while refusing to at least put a competent product on to the field. The state has been trying to redo this contract since last season before Katrina was even a after thought, but old Tom just kept on refusing. What's funny is the people of San Antonio is willing to inherit this franchise with that sorry pathetic loser of an owner. Do they not think he would not try to do the same thing to them like he has done to us?
L.A. doesn't want the team if Ben$on is still the owner. What Tags needs to do is convince that old turd to sell the team to Terry Bradshaw and his investment crew who wants to keep the Saints in Louisiana. But the old turd does not want to sell the team because he wants his little grand daughter to take over after he steps down
Exactumundo.
Well, Benson wants to bring the team to San Antonio. I have not heard of him wanting to relocate anywhere else. I think Tag. would need to convince him not to move the team to SA and move it to LA. If Benson moved the team to San Antonio, New Orleans may not get a team, as the next probable move would be La. The NFL does not want to abandon Orleans in the wake of this hurricane, and i personaly would like to see the team succeed in New Orleans, but there is just too much to take care of and rebuild over there that will take years, and i just don't see an nfl franchise surviving during this period. The town has lost too much of it's population. Benson should keep his mouth shut about San Antonio and do everything possible to remain in NO, but if it does not work out, and i don't think it will, then relocate that franchise to LA, and leave the saints name in New Orleans for better days.
Long-Spurs-Texan
Waterboy
Bottom line, the Saints are finished in New Orleans. Benson will be leaving for San Antonio or LA. Benson will be filing a lawsuit to make it happen, just like Al Davis (a true turd). Look at the storied Baltimore Colts moving to Indy, the St. Louis Cardinals moving to Arizona, and the Cleveland Brown going back to Baltimore. ALL those teams had solid fan bases, as well as a tradition winning. ALL those teams left over $$$. $$$ beats fans every time. Tag (or his Yoda, Pete Rozelle) had a hand in *****ing every one of those cities. Newsflash, there was no devastating Act of God involved. It was over stadiums, & TV (just like NO). I can't see how you can be mad at Benson for taking the deal they offered him in Louisiana. It's like beig mad at a Grizzly Bear for eating someone. Grizzly's eat people, it's what they do. NFL owners care about their bottom line first and foremost, It's what they do.