I'm strongly in the VY category and failing that I'm firmly in the Reggie Bush camp. I just think the possible upside of these guys is crazy. My deal I would still need to be able to get Hawk or D-Brick swapping #1's, a number one next year, and two #2's probably. Very small chance anyone gives that but my threshold would probably be that high.
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Name your price (picks) to trade away the #1
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jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Pick for picks, I would like to see the team's first rounder this year, third rounder this year, and possibly a second rounder in the next. But that is off the top of my head.
Anyone know where the draft value pick chart is?
I think if Cass works it right, because of the dual Bush/Young possibilities, we could find a team or two that would fall all over us for rights to the #1 this year.
Anyone know where the draft value pick chart is?
I think if Cass works it right, because of the dual Bush/Young possibilities, we could find a team or two that would fall all over us for rights to the #1 this year.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I want them to trade down in the general sence, but I'm going to have to rely on others who agree with that to know if the possible trade is really worth it or not. I'm no draft expert, but I really believe that we don't need an RB or QB. I don't think the answer is DD either, unless it's goal line time. The starting RB on this team should be Wells.
TheOgre
All Pro
I was strongly in the trade down camp, but I think the fans would revolt if we don't end up with Bush or VY. I personally think that Carr has more upside than DD, so I want Bush. I think Carr can excel if we surround him with better talent. So I am basically in the exact opposite position as you.
The Jets are the trade partner I like, if we went that route. If we could get their 2006 1st, their 2007 1st, and their 2006 2nd, I would jump on it. I would take Ferguson with our 1st. With our two 2nd's and two 3rd's, I would likely take an OG, TE, safety and someone in the front seven on defense (perhaps a pass-rushing DE or MLB).
In 2007, we could focus on defense and perhaps filling a need at our #2 WR spot (if Mathis or someone else hasn't filled this need yet).
The Jets are the trade partner I like, if we went that route. If we could get their 2006 1st, their 2007 1st, and their 2006 2nd, I would jump on it. I would take Ferguson with our 1st. With our two 2nd's and two 3rd's, I would likely take an OG, TE, safety and someone in the front seven on defense (perhaps a pass-rushing DE or MLB).
In 2007, we could focus on defense and perhaps filling a need at our #2 WR spot (if Mathis or someone else hasn't filled this need yet).
TheOgre said:
yep, this is pretty much where I'm at. Don't trade too far down, though...the Jets would be a good place to draw the line. Mario Williams, D'brick, or AJ Hawk would be great picks with that no. 1, IMO. (but I'd make them thrown in a 2006 3rd just to sweeten the deal)
Great minds think alike!
(If this seems crazy it's because I had to take a pain killer earlier)
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
D-ReK said:
I know every team is different but there was a good discussion the other day saying the Texans need to set the bar before the draft even starts. If teams have players, etc to trade, that is fine but the Texans need to at least convey that two #1s will be involved..this year and next..and then I'd say a 2nd or 3rd this year.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Just by looking at that draft chart and knowing that I want a LT, I say we need to get the 4th or 5th pick and a second rounder this year and next. That is the absolute minimum. The 2nd or 3rd pick would change things a little, but I don't see either one of those teams offering when we keep insisting publicly that we will take Bush.
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
HoustonFrog said:
It all depends on how far we're trading down...If we trade past, say, pick 5, the asking price should rise tremendously since most of the "can't miss" prospects will be off the board...
The reason I added a player rather than an extra pick to my scenario is that it just seems like a better option for this team at this time...We'd be getting a known commodity who already has NFL experience and will be ready to come in and start from day one...The same can't be said for most 3rd rounders...Another advantage is that, in the event that the player we trade for is a bust, the team we trade with will have already absorbed all of said player's signing bonus, so we could cut ties with the player without worrying about cap ramifications...
awtysst
Draft Guru
1-3 said:
I want to trade with the Jets. I would require their number 4 overall this year plus Abraham along with their first rounder next year.
Rememeber, if Kubiak comes here he will bring the Denver theory on Zone blocking. He likes a line that is lighter and generally passed over becuase they are smaller. Perhaps Dbrick would fit. If not, I would trade down to about 8 or so and pick up CB Jimmy Williams. So our D now adds Abraham plus a stud CB to compliment Dunta. With our next few picks we can address any number of spots. With these moves we will not be a supwerbowl contender or playoff contender, but we also wont win only 2 games next year.
IMO you can throw the draft value chart right out the window.
There not trading for a draft pick.
There trading for Reggie Bush.
No trading outside the top Eight.
If we trade and only recieve picks I would want two first round picks and two second round picks.
If we trade for picks and players I would want two first and a player.
Everybody is talking about trading for J Abraham which would be great but I would just like to throw J Vilmas or Santana Moss's name out there.
AJ and Moss sounds exciting doesnt it.
There not trading for a draft pick.
There trading for Reggie Bush.
No trading outside the top Eight.
If we trade and only recieve picks I would want two first round picks and two second round picks.
If we trade for picks and players I would want two first and a player.
Everybody is talking about trading for J Abraham which would be great but I would just like to throw J Vilmas or Santana Moss's name out there.
AJ and Moss sounds exciting doesnt it.
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
I would only like a trade down to 3 thats the lowest i would go but it would require swaps of 1st and this years 2nd and next years 1st and we would come out looking like roses with a franchise QB either young Or Leinart
Texian
Hall of Fame
I am writing this on the assumption Kubiak is the HC. That said, write off any oline in RDs 1-4. Gary is a student of Alex Gibbs, the Guru of Zone Blocking and the Denver and Atlanta running game. Alex finds his oline in Rds 4-7 and RBs in Rds 3-4.
I begin with W C Fields, "a sucker is born every minute" and would attempt to parlay the #1 into a BIG Bonanza. I would start with the Saints, 06 & 07 #1s for the 1st pick. They take Lienart or Young, GTD. Then I give the Titans a chance at who is left for a 06 1st and 06 2nd & 07 2nd picks. Finally, the Jets can have Bush for their 06 1st, a 06 2nd and a 07 2rd.
The Texans now have 4th pick in 06, 2 1sts in 07, 3 2nds in 06 and 3 2nds in 07.
With the 4th pick they take Mario Williams, DE, NCST
I begin with W C Fields, "a sucker is born every minute" and would attempt to parlay the #1 into a BIG Bonanza. I would start with the Saints, 06 & 07 #1s for the 1st pick. They take Lienart or Young, GTD. Then I give the Titans a chance at who is left for a 06 1st and 06 2nd & 07 2nd picks. Finally, the Jets can have Bush for their 06 1st, a 06 2nd and a 07 2rd.
The Texans now have 4th pick in 06, 2 1sts in 07, 3 2nds in 06 and 3 2nds in 07.
With the 4th pick they take Mario Williams, DE, NCST
I would be okay with trading the #1 with the Jets for there #4 1Rounder (AJ Hawk), John Abraham (would have to be franchised by Jets), and there 2 Rounder. With our second rounders we would need to address the offense with maybe a top WR that fell and a top O-lineman. With the third I'd personally pick up a corner, maybe a top TE with the second 3rd or our 4th rounder. Just a thought... anybody want a probowl end and stud rookie linebacker and top5 2nd rounder???
To be honest I don't understand why everyone is wanting to pick up a QB in this draft. Truth be told, Carr is not as bad as everyone thinks at this point and the franchise is sticking with him, so to trade away the #1 to get VY or Leinart would place us in a similar predicament as the Chargers who thought Brees was suckin' it up so they made a great deal for more picks and landed a future QB in Rivers who has been sitting on the bench for the past 2 years with a finger up his bottom, and the Chargers our stuck paying two QB's premium money. It would seriously hinder the Texans chances of improvement by selecting a QB in the draft and keepin him
In theory, trading down to #3 looks good to me, but for a far different reason than you suggest.Napa Auto Parts said:I would only like a trade down to 3 thats the lowest i would go but it would require swaps of 1st and this years 2nd and next years 1st and we would come out looking like roses with a franchise QB either young Or Leinart
Thinks about NEEDS at #1 & #2 in that scenario and tell me if this seems far-fetched.
We trade down to #3 (swapping with the Titans) and pick up at least an additional 2nd rounder this year.
With the 1st pick, the Titans select....Vince Young QB-Texas
It makes sense on many levels and is who I believe that the Titans would take at that slot, and would actually MAKE the trade for fear of the Saints getting him.
With the 2nd pick, the Saints select....Matt Leineart QB-USC
It fills their most glaring need, and if they can't have Vince, why not pick the more "proto-typical" QB?
With the 3rd pick, the Texans select....Reggie Bush RB-USC
This appeases the fans by giving them a "name" pick in exchange for their suffering this year, and a player who has a much higher % chance of showing dividends year 1.
With the added pick(s), the Texans trade back into the 1st round for more quality talent.
....and STILL GET THE GUY THEY WANTED AT #1!!!
Feel free to shoot holes in this...
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Plus there is also the chance that the Jets would trade with the Saints so they could grab Bush. The Saints would figure we weren't going to grab Leinart so they could also get an extra pick.
I think the Jets are the most likely team to trade down with. They want either Young or Bush and the league would love Young to be in NYC. I'm not sure I want Abraham. He's a great talent, but all I can remember of him is his refusing to play in last year's playoffs hurt. I think any dealings with them has to start and end with 2 picks this year (1st and 3rd) and one next season (1st). Enough teams will be interested in moving up they can use that to negotiate. I'd like to see a 2nd pick next season, but that is more likely to happen if the Texans drop down more than to the 4th spot.
I think the Jets are the most likely team to trade down with. They want either Young or Bush and the league would love Young to be in NYC. I'm not sure I want Abraham. He's a great talent, but all I can remember of him is his refusing to play in last year's playoffs hurt. I think any dealings with them has to start and end with 2 picks this year (1st and 3rd) and one next season (1st). Enough teams will be interested in moving up they can use that to negotiate. I'd like to see a 2nd pick next season, but that is more likely to happen if the Texans drop down more than to the 4th spot.
Texans86
Rookie
HJam72 said:
Despite what you may think, many teams across the country would love to get Bush. Many think that he is still the best prospect in the draft. I agree that CC was a little premature, but not everyone is as enamoured by Young as Texans seem to be. Also, the news "claimed" to have had his inside information from the Texans before the Rose Bowl, so anything about Young being the better player before then really doesn't matter, he hadn't lit up the Rose Bowl yet. I've forgotten what this thread was about, they've all started to look the same. So I'll just say trade down.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Casserly telling everyone that we're taking Bush allows the Saints and probably the Titans too to sit back a relax. If they didn't know, they'd worry about us taking the QB they want. There's no need to be showing your hand so early, even if you think Bush is the better player.
MorKnolle
All Pro
tulexan said:
ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!
Good stuff, one hundred, billion dollars!
Beyond that, if we trade down to the 4-6 range we should be able to add this year's 2nd round pick and next years 1st and 3rd round picks from the team, plus if we're trading with the Jets I'd try to work out a sign-and-trade for John Abraham and take this year's 3rd or 4th instead of 2nd round pick, at least if we're going to switch to a 4-3 defense.
Bubbajwp said:
Santana Moss is on the Redskins now, Laveraneus Coles is on the Jets and would also be a decent option since he is a very fast WR and there aren't all that many good WRs in this draft. I don't see them trading Vilma, he's the one guy on their team I don't think we can get, plus Abraham is going to be a free agent and they are going to be very close to the cap limit before resigning him, so they could have problems resigning him anyways, and by transition tagging him and sending him here as part of the deal they at least get Bush in return.
Bubbajwp said:
Washington doesn't have a 1st round pick to trade us this year anyways (they sent it to Denver), and yes they did draft Campbell last year so they likely won't be looking at Young or Leinart and they have Portis so I doubt they go after Bush. I think we could trade three 3rd round picks (assuming we get another 3rd in a trade down) to Denver for the #20 pick, since they generally make a lot of trades and don't overly like 1st round picks and have made a killing in the 3rd round and seem to love those picks, so if someone like Michael Huff is available at #20 and we want to get back in to grab him that might be an option too.
Napa Auto Parts said:I would only like a trade down to 3 thats the lowest i would go but it would require swaps of 1st and this years 2nd and next years 1st and we would come out looking like roses with a franchise QB either young Or Leinart
Tennessee is not going to trade up, especially not going to give up a future 1st rounder when they know Leinart or Young will be available to them at #3 anyways, plus if Tennessee moves up to #1 and New Orleans stays at #2, Young and Leinart will be gone and we'll have Bush left anyways.
Texian said:
That sounds like a great plan but New Orleans and then Tennessee are not going to trade up with us to move up one spot, especially giving up the picks that you mentioned, it would be nice but it is not going to happen at all. I wouldn't have a problem with trading directly down with the Jets and grabbing Mario Williams, at least if we're switching to a 4-3 and he puts up decent workouts, so I'd take either him or the best OT.
wolf123 said:
I am also for trading with the Jets and I think they are the most likely team to trade up, butwe could likely get this year's 1st round and 4th round, next year's 1st round and 3rd round, and John Abraham. I also do not like taking Hawk at #4, very few LBs are worth taking that high and he's not one of them, if we want him we can trade down again and grab him a #7-9, at #4 we should go after Mario Williams or an OT.
HJam72 said:
Casserly has never come out and said we are drafting Bush (or McNair or anyone else for that matter), they have said they intend to resign David Carr and that they won't spend a 1st round pick on a QB while David is here, and all that makes sense, so they have definitely alluded more towards Bush. However, they have sounded much more open the last day or two about trading down to grab extra picks/players, but like Cass said this morning on the radio they have several months of evaluating players left to do, they have to finalize hiring a head coach and pick out his coaching staff, evaluate our current players to see what we need, and then get our draft board in order, figure out how many players they think are willing to take in the 1st round and then that will tell them how far they are willing to trade down in order to ensure they get one of those players, then they entertain trade offers. Either way, as he said this morning, I'm sure they won't come out and say who they are drafting at all before the draft and any trades will probably happen only within the last week before the draft.
I would take #9, Roy Williams and a 3rd rounder.
Roy and AJ would give us a WR tandem that would be hard to beat - even if everyone else had to stay in and block.
At #9, we could take A CB (JWilliams, if he is there) or a S (Huff if he is worth the pick) or OT (Winston, if he is worth the pick) or any other player we like at that point (Ngato would be interesting if we stay 3-4) or trade down again.
I don't see Tennessee or NO paying to move up 1 or 2 spots (at least not giving what we would want to move down). I know I wouldn't. I think NO is perfectly happy at #2 (they get their qb or they will get a stud RB or they can then trade down). Tennessee is just happy Vince declared, now they either get a rb or qb of the future - and their happy with either.
The Jets need a lot. But, I think they can get a qb at a cheaper price:
#4 for PRivers and #19 (San Diego would probably jump all over this)
Roy and AJ would give us a WR tandem that would be hard to beat - even if everyone else had to stay in and block.
At #9, we could take A CB (JWilliams, if he is there) or a S (Huff if he is worth the pick) or OT (Winston, if he is worth the pick) or any other player we like at that point (Ngato would be interesting if we stay 3-4) or trade down again.
I don't see Tennessee or NO paying to move up 1 or 2 spots (at least not giving what we would want to move down). I know I wouldn't. I think NO is perfectly happy at #2 (they get their qb or they will get a stud RB or they can then trade down). Tennessee is just happy Vince declared, now they either get a rb or qb of the future - and their happy with either.
The Jets need a lot. But, I think they can get a qb at a cheaper price:
#4 for PRivers and #19 (San Diego would probably jump all over this)
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
IMO, the draft chart goes out the window. You have two players (no telling their upsides) that mighta had some of the best college seasons of all times:
See e.g.: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/collegefootball/seasons.html
Both Reggie's and VY's seasons could easily go on that list. Leinhart's career ain't too shabby either. Hype for us is good. You think people freaked over Vick??? VY is a better prospect than Vick, especially in a post Vick world.
No way to predict for sure how that translates to NFL success, but all it takes for a couple of teams to go berzerker over it and it can help us out.
If we trade down, I want tons of value. I want some quality NFL starters and picks. I want players too because we are already very inexperienced--more picks just means more young guys that "fail to execute".