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My Oilers/Titans/Texans story; am I alone?

Nighthawk

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I've been an Oilers fan since the Charlie Hennigan, Charlie Tolar and George Blanda. When the Oilers moved I did not like Fisher and his brand of football, which was downright Capers-like in those days. I lost interest.

Then came the Texans. I got interested until Casserly and Capers and Carr and the team stunk it up. A couple years ago I faded. Games were boring and team wasn't happening. This year team was a freaking joke. An embarassment. I paid for my NFL Sunday Ticket but couldn't bear to watch.

Now comes Vince Young, ours for the taking. The guy is a big time major league leader with skills to match. He IS what you want your franchise to be about, talent and success and never giving up and having the will to win. He's QB equivalent of Earl Campbell.

So now the Texans are planning on taking a really excellent RB from USC instead, a guy who will have some effect on the team, but won't be the salvation of the team. It's a mistake. It's a rube's play. Sure, having a quick RB who can cut (better than DD, maybe) is a good idea. 1st pick in the draft? Nah.

If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.
 
heh.. first its "DONT LET HIM GO TO THE TITANS!" then its "I may have to become a Titans fan if they have Vince Young"... then when we go to the superbowl it will be "I love the Texans! they are my hometown team!"
 
id rather the cowboys trade up and get him, if the texans pass up on him, what better situation for vince than heading to the cowboys?
 
I was a huge Oiler fan, win or lose, good or bad, I stuck by that team. In fact that 35-3 game still brings a slight tear to my eye.

But the Oilers are much like that first wife who runs off with your best friend and breaks your heart. You wish her only the worst and hope she regrets leaving you. Never will I rout for them. Okay well maybe if it takes a Titan win to get the Texans into the playoffs, but thats it.

So now on to Vince Young. A home town hero that every Long horn fan in this state is clamering for. Why? From what I keep hearing and reading the only scope Vince is even on is Houston's. Every other team and every scout in the leauge has Bush being the #1 prospect. In fact Lienart in manys eyes is still rated ahead of Young. So really why shouldnt we take Lienart if we are all so sure that Carr isnt the one? If the fans who claim that they would give up there season tickets, not watch the games, and rout for the titans are at all serious then shouldnt it be Lienart they scream for? Or is this truely a Homer thing?

Either way, GO TEXANS!
 
Nighthawk said:
It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell.

If I read this one more time about Bush or Young, I think I might go over the deep end.
 
thetexanator said:
id rather the cowboys trade up and get him, if the texans pass up on him, what better situation for vince than heading to the cowboys?

Me getting hit by a bus. Needless to say, I hate the Cowboys.
 
If as a "Texans fan" your loyalty hinges on whether or not they draft Vince Young, just head on over to the Titans MB and get started, why wait? I think I speak for most of us true Texans fans when I say good riddance. We will be here, regardless of anything, bad drafts, bad records, it doesn't matter. Oh, and when we start winning, we will be the ones kicking the rest of you guy's a**es off the bandwagon when you try to jump on! Anybody else with me?
 
Vy will sell more tickets,but ticket sales dont win superbowls.:brickwall
 
I dont believe alot of you are giving Carr a chance.This guy is one of the toughest SOBs at the QB spot (aka Bradshaw).IMO you take Bush,Build the OL with FA vets.Draft defense in the 2nd and 3rd RD. and take TE(D.Thomas) in the 4th,then draft OL 5th and 6th RD.Get Abraham via FA.We are not going to Superbowl next year,lets build for 2-3 years from now.
 
If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance

I root for the team, not the player. If we switched players with the Titans completely, I would still root for the Texans. Where's the loyalty these days?
 
whiskeyrbl said:
I dont believe alot of you are giving Carr a chance.This guy is one of the toughest SOBs at the QB spot (aka Bradshaw).IMO you take Bush,Build the OL with FA vets.Draft defense in the 2nd and 3rd RD. and take TE(D.Thomas) in the 4th,then draft OL 5th and 6th RD.Get Abraham via FA.We are not going to Superbowl next year,lets build for 2-3 years from now.

4 years was my chance. Are we supposed to give him a perfect line, the perfect compliment to AJ, the perfect TE, the perfect RB and then if he messes up, it must be the new coaching?Maybe we can draft a guy in the 7th who can put his hair behind his ears while he is on the bench. I'm tired of excuses for him. At 2-14, there is not one player that deserves a shot more than another and the team as a whole needs to be evaluated.
 
HoustonFrog said:
4 years was my chance. Are we supposed to give him a perfect line, the perfect compliment to AJ, the perfect TE, the perfect RB and then if he messes up, it must be the new coaching?Maybe we can draft a guy in the 7th who can put his hair behind his ears while he is on the bench. I'm tired of excuses for him. At 2-14, there is not one player that deserves a shot more than another and the team as a whole needs to be evaluated.

Here, Here H-Frog... I'm with ya!!!:yahoo:
 
whiskeyrbl said:
Vy will sell more tickets,but ticket sales dont win superbowls.:brickwall

Winning sells tickets.

I dont care if we draft Young, Bush, or trade down and take bob fartman, if we start winning, and going to the playoffs, my butt will be in the seat rooting on fartman.
 
Nighthawk said:
I've been an Oilers fan since the Charlie Hennigan, Charlie Tolar and George Blanda. When the Oilers moved I did not like Fisher and his brand of football, which was downright Capers-like in those days. I lost interest.

Then came the Texans. I got interested until Casserly and Capers and Carr and the team stunk it up. A couple years ago I faded. Games were boring and team wasn't happening. This year team was a freaking joke. An embarassment. I paid for my NFL Sunday Ticket but couldn't bear to watch.

Now comes Vince Young, ours for the taking. The guy is a big time major league leader with skills to match. He IS what you want your franchise to be about, talent and success and never giving up and having the will to win. He's QB equivalent of Earl Campbell.

So now the Texans are planning on taking a really excellent RB from USC instead, a guy who will have some effect on the team, but won't be the salvation of the team. It's a mistake. It's a rube's play. Sure, having a quick RB who can cut (better than DD, maybe) is a good idea. 1st pick in the draft? Nah.

If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.


wow, great story!!! i opened up this thread thinking i was going to see some stories about old-school Houston pro football. turns out all it was somebody stumping for vince, again. all you did was dug up some old Oilers names. lame...just say "this is another i want vince. thread."
 
dirty steve said:
wow, great story!!! i opened up this thread thinking i was going to see some stories about old-school Houston pro football. turns out all it was somebody stumping for vince, again. all you did was dug up some old Oilers names. lame...just say "this is another i want vince. thread."

Ditto. Why not just title the thread for what it really is.
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
or trade down and take bob fartman, if we start winning, and going to the playoffs, my butt will be in the seat rooting on fartman.
What is the Fartman's 40 time, bench press, and do you see him more of a split end or a tight end.
 
TEXANRED said:
But the Oilers are much like that first wife who runs off with your best friend and breaks your heart. You wish her only the worst and hope she regrets leaving you. Never will I rout for them. Okay well maybe if it takes a Titan win to get the Texans into the playoffs, but thats it.

That old team leaving town was worst than any breakup I've ever had. Made me angry and sad and betrayed at the same time. It would be like the worst break up ever, and then having to read about it in the newspapers everyday about the toothless hillybilly hag that stole your spouse, and then also having to read more and more about that classless plastic surgeoned harlot to the north. HORRIBLE!!!!! With the way that exit went, and the way the national media portrayed it, I thought we would never get an NFL team in Houston again.

The last lameduck sorry season the old team was in town, I decided I couldn't go to any of the games. I broke my promise though. One rainy Sunday, I played flag football for four games all morning. Covered in mud. After the games, I was driving to my house and they were doing the pregame on the radio. And they were talking about all the oldtime Steeler-Oiler rivalry games, and that this was the last one ever, and I was in the car just listening to that and crying. (and I don't cry much).

Well, I really didn't have anything to do that day, and I was prolly gonna watch football anyway, so, I called a ticket broker and asked him what the best single ticket he had was and for how much. Face. I told him that I was gonna clean up and be right there.

Got to the game and the Steeler fans were loud. They were ahead in the game. Ended up sitting next to a guy from Houston who was a trashtalking Steeler-Aggy fan of all things. Gack.

The Steeler fans got quiet at the Oilers came back and won the game. And many of the players came up to the stands after the game and high fived the crowd and acknowledged them. At the end of the game, it felt like a real game again but it was just so sad that we were never gonna have the NFL back in Houston again. I felt bad for us and I felt horrible for the players during the transferred time because it wasn't under their control.

And I felt really really jipted. I really really liked Steve McNair as a player. I couldn't wait to watch him play. He was supposed to be playing in HOUSTON dammit!!! HOUSTON!!!!!! And the Dud done stoled him away.

I hated the flying meatballs, despised Bud, but part of me still liked the old players from the Houston team. It is hard to hate a team but still kinda wanting some of the players from the old team to do well even if you don't want to admit that to yourself.

OK, after that long windup, this is my pitch: I don't want the Dudster to steal another one of my amazing upside QBs. Evar evar evar!!!! It just reopens old wounds, and given good QB longevity, it could hurt for a decade.

I'm not saying that VY is the next Steve McNair--he is different than McNair and different than any QB I've ever seen. The comparisons are hard to make, but like McNair, he was seen as a bit of a project, and both were players that I wanted to see develop. Dud robbed me of one of those guys, I don't wanted to be robbed of a second.

My best case scenario is VY in Houston.
Second best case scenario is Bush in Houston and VY NOT in TN or Dallas.
I am not so keen on the trading down stuff for a multitude of reasons.

Anyhow, maybe that makes me spiteful and bitter and all, but that is the way it is. I love our new stadium, our new owner, having the NFL back in Houston but it will kill me if the Dud gets another great amazing upside QB. It isn't gonna make me any less of a Texans fan, but I can't say it wouldn't hurt like heck.

Let the Titanhicks have Leinart--I don't care--he is just another fungible statue talented QB whose had surgery.

One way or another....GO TEXANS!!!

:texflag:
 
I was at that game too. That was a great game. Last time I ever got to harrass a steeler fan. Even became a steeler fan just so I could watch the steelers beat the Titans twice a year.(plan backfired, Titans got good and the steelers sucked. Maybe I am cursed.)

With all that said I still think the Saints would take Young and Lienart goes to the Titans. Thats not to bad, we get Bush, Saints move to San Antonio so Young gets to go home and Leinart go to Tennapee.

At least that is in my perfect world.
 
If you say that you will leave and not be a fan if this or that happens, then you are not a fan anyway so you can pretty much make sure the door doesn't hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!!

Real fans remain fans if this or that happens. It is called loyalty.
 
Nighthawk said:
If Vince Young goes to the Titans old Oilers fans will consider switching their allegiance. They are not fickle. It's about Vince Young who is a once in a lifetime talent, like Earl Campbell. If the Texans pass him him up maybe they don't deserve our allegiance.


If your allegiance is so thin that you would switch to the freaking Titans, then maybe you don't deserve to be a Texans fan.
 
i never completely switched my allegiance to the texans - a part of me remembered too fondly bum phillips, earl, pastorini, snake, dr. doom, ray childress, etc.,

getting vy, a PROVEN winner with unnatural physical ability will get me to become a season ticket holder. if the titans end up with him, i will follow the titans. i also suspect that bud will get the titans to wear throwback jerseys (i.e., oilers jerseys) when the titans play at reliant - sign me up for a no. 10 jersey!

reggie bush = desmond howard. an 'electrifying' heisman winner that won't really make it in the nfl. vy is the evolution of the nfl qb.
 
TheOgre said:
If I read this one more time about Bush or Young, I think I might go over the deep end.

Thank you! I agree 100%.

Not to diminish the potential of Young or Bush, but we're talking EARL CAMPBELL!! No player has ever come out and been the QB equivalent of no. 34. That's diminishing Earl's legacy to even make the comparison. For shame! :challenge

TEXANRED said:
I was at that game too. That was a great game.

yep, me and Jungle Bob were at that game, too! We got there thinking we'd get in with no problem, but so many people showed up that we ended up missing a good chunk of the first quarter. So many Steelers fans, and such a sweet victory for a lameduck team and a bunch of broken-hearted football fans.

Thank you, Bob and the NFL, for the Texans!! :texflag: No way will I ever shift allegiance from this team, and this means through all good times and bad. Part of being a fanatic is supporting the team and proudly wearing the colors regardless of their win/loss record or who plays for the team.
 
swisher said:
If your allegiance is so thin that you would switch to the freaking Titans, then maybe you don't deserve to be a Texans fan.
Maybe the way they play and the way they make personell decisions they don't deserve to have any fans until they trade in the broken carr.
 
I have the perfect idea. We can clone Earl Campbell. He is raised by the University of Texas (or "t.u." for the remedial readers) staff. He wins 4 Heisman Trophies from 2024-2027, becomes the first selection in the draft, the Texans trade up 39 slots to get the #1 pick and draft Bevo Campbell. They go on to win 5 championships in his 6 year pro career.:redtowel:
 
Double Barrel said:
Thank you, Bob and the NFL, for the Texans!! :texflag:

This has recently crossed my mind. The Texans were gonna be an LA team. I remember all the talk in the late 90's. Most of us never thought there would be another Houston NFL team.

Uncle Bob moved Heaven and Earth to get this franchise from California's clutches. The odds were stacked way against him and he pulled off what was considered an impossible feat at the time.

It's 10 years later now and still no LA NFL franchise. I'd like to have VY here because I think he'd do wonders for the team identity among other reasons that I've outlined in my other posts. But I can never let that be a reason for me to switch allegiance to Bud Adams.

As I see it, we owe Bob McNair for the very fact that we have the Texans to argue over. Bud Adams still owes us.
 
bigtex77 said:
If as a "Texans fan" your loyalty hinges on whether or not they draft Vince Young, just head on over to the Titans MB and get started, why wait? I think I speak for most of us true Texans fans when I say good riddance. We will be here, regardless of anything, bad drafts, bad records, it doesn't matter. Oh, and when we start winning, we will be the ones kicking the rest of you guy's a**es off the bandwagon when you try to jump on! Anybody else with me?

I'm with you!
 
I don't see how any Texan fan could be accused of being a bandwaggon fan. They haven't had any tangible success yet. ;)

I really don't see what the big issue is here. Longhorn fans are HUGE Vince Young fans. This isn't just another Longhorn. We are - as a whole - very interested in following Vince's pro career. He was freaking Superman to us. Maybe he isn't the right pick for the Texans. I think that's a very sensible conclusion based on the fact that Carr really hasn't been given much opportunity to show what he can do in a good offensive system. But, for some of us, if Vince goes elsewhere, our pro football watching probably leans more towards Vince than the hometown team. At least initially.

By way of disclosure, I was also a LONGTIME Oiler fan. My dad had season tickets and I started going to games at 10 and never stopped. I think I went to every game until the year they announced they were leaving town.
 
In Vince We Trust said:
i never completely switched my allegiance to the texans - a part of me remembered too fondly bum phillips, earl, pastorini, snake, dr. doom, ray childress, etc.,

getting vy, a PROVEN winner with unnatural physical ability will get me to become a season ticket holder. if the titans end up with him, i will follow the titans. i also suspect that bud will get the titans to wear throwback jerseys (i.e., oilers jerseys) when the titans play at reliant - sign me up for a no. 10 jersey!

reggie bush = desmond howard. an 'electrifying' heisman winner that won't really make it in the nfl. vy is the evolution of the nfl qb.
This is a serious question. How do you know that Vince Young is a proven winner? I do understand he is 32-2 in college and won the national championship, but we are talking about the NFL. 75% of college players will never play a down in the pro's. How do you know how he will react to a blitzing defense? To a shoty O-line? To receivers who give you zero help when you are running for your life?

If we are talking about winners I will pose the question again. If this is truely about replacing Carr cause he is damaged goods and will never be a good QB, what about Lienart? He has won two national championships and the heisman and only lost one game, to Young's one championship and no heisman's.

Reggie=Howard? Vince Young is evolution? You must have a better magic 8-ball than I do cause mine isnt telling me anything. I will have to admit that when I gazed upon the ole Magic-8 and asked the question how many wins we would have this year its shot back a possible, possible 16-0(it thought we would have an easy schedule, I thought 12-4. We were both wrong.)
 
All you so called fans saying that you will leave the team and go to the tacks if we dont draft young, like el tejano said don't let the door hit you in the @$$ and if you have season tickets that would be better. But i'll bet none of you will respond or sell the tickets you will stick by and ride the tacks pole until the texans get good and say you have been with them since day one. The oilers where the oilers they will never be the oilers again it's gone quit your nostalgia and either get with it or go. The Texans are here and thats it.
I could care less who they draft, I have my opinions but I have no say in it, as long as what's better for the team.
 
TEXANRED said:
This is a serious question. How do you know that Vince Young is a proven winner? I do understand he is 32-2 in college and won the national championship, but we are talking about the NFL. 75% of college players will never play a down in the pro's. How do you know how he will react to a blitzing defense? To a shoty O-line? To receivers who give you zero help when you are running for your life?

If we are talking about winners I will pose the question again. If this is truely about replacing Carr cause he is damaged goods and will never be a good QB, what about Lienart? He has won two national championships and the heisman and only lost one game, to Young's one championship and no heisman's.

Reggie=Howard? Vince Young is evolution? You must have a better magic 8-ball than I do cause mine isnt telling me anything. I will have to admit that when I gazed upon the ole Magic-8 and asked the question how many wins we would have this year its shot back a possible, possible 16-0(it thought we would have an easy schedule, I thought 12-4. We were both wrong.)

This basically boils down to one point . . . the college game is different and you can't easily project NFL success based solely on success in college.

As for Leinart v. Young, wasn't that settled on the field on 1/4? And didn't Leinart have a HUGE talent advantage backing him up as well (Bush/White/Jarrett/Smith/Byrd)? Seriously I would love to have that unit on the field for my pro team. Young had a solid crew, but he was the true difference maker - no doubt about it.

Reggie Bush is a great talent. I don't think he should be denegrated to fit the argument in favor of Young. The issue is whether the Texans are better off with a great qb that brings overall leadership or fitting a piece to the puzzle in by adding a great combination RB/WR and believing Carr will get the job done. Don't expect Reggie Bush to return kicks btw. He's not nearly as good as Jerome.
 
Str8tupg42k1 said:
All you so called fans saying that you will leave the team and go to the tacks if we dont draft young, like el tejano said don't let the door hit you in the @$$ and if you have season tickets that would be better. But i'll bet none of you will respond or sell the tickets you will stick by and ride the tacks pole until the texans get good and say you have been with them since day one. The oilers where the oilers they will never be the oilers again it's gone quit your nostalgia and either get with it or go. The Texans are here and thats it.
I could care less who they draft, I have my opinions but I have no say in it, as long as what's better for the team.

Look. This organization - as a business - can't take the perspective that you don't have to win over the fans. It's not like a college team that's been around since the dawn of time. It should be OK to be a Texans 2%er or T-shirt fan at this point. These are potential long-term fans for this team and they will need them to survive. I do think the key to building a longterm fan base is winning. You have to get to the playoffs to get the interest level up where it needs to be. I don't understand the burning desire to run off potential fans of your team just because they don't share your views.
 
Texans_Chick said:
My best case scenario is VY in Houston.
Second best case scenario is Bush in Houston and VY NOT in TN or Dallas.
I am not so keen on the trading down stuff for a multitude of reasons. :texflag:

I echo those same sentiments as well. But I will say this, I will keep an eye on the Titans more than I have been doing (which was not at all) if that is Young's ultimate destination. Just seeing Young in Tennessee or Dallas would really disappoint me. I just don't have the faith in Carr that some of you do. First and foremost, my loyality is to Houston period. I love this city and its people. I can't see me cheering for another team.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep, me and Jungle Bob were at that game, too! We got there thinking we'd get in with no problem, but so many people showed up that we ended up missing a good chunk of the first quarter. So many Steelers fans, and such a sweet victory for a lameduck team and a bunch of broken-hearted football fans.

IIRC, there was some sort of car show going on at the same time. And there weren't enough folks directing traffic for both things going on. I didn't get in until the end of the first quarter.

My seat was just about the best seat you could get in the Dome which meant that it still stunk. That was just a bad place to watch a football game. Bad sight lines everywhere.
 
Caphorn said:
As for Leinart v. Young, wasn't that settled on the field on 1/4? And didn't Leinart have a HUGE talent advantage backing him up as well (Bush/White/Jarrett/Smith/Byrd)? Seriously I would love to have that unit on the field for my pro team. Young had a solid crew, but he was the true difference maker - no doubt about it.
I wouldnt consider one game, even the national championship, as the desiding factor of who is the better QB. How many perfect seasons does Young have to Leinart? How many Heismans? How many national championships?

As for all the fans who are saying that they will never buy tickets again or watch the team or rout for the titans (lightning will strike you down for that one) consider this, winning solves all problems and in a city of 4 million people and a state with the largest population I dont think it will take a whole lot to get people to the games once we start winning. In my humbled yet over stated opinion Bush gives us the best opportunity to win now and be good now, not later.
 
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.
 
Texans_Chick said:
My seat was just about the best seat you could get in the Dome which meant that it still stunk. That was just a bad place to watch a football game. Bad sight lines everywhere.
What are you talking about!!!! Lanier, the county commisioner guy, and McClane himself said there was nothing wrong with the dome. That is why we didnt build a new stadium.

Say didnt McClane threaten to move the Astros if we didnt build him a new ballpark?
 
TEXANRED said:
What are you talking about!!!! Lanier, the county commisioner guy, and McClane himself said there was nothing wrong with the dome. That is why we didnt build a new stadium.

Say didnt McClane threaten to move the Astros if we didnt build him a new ballpark?

Another thing to be thankful for, not worrying about new stadiums for the next 20+ years!
 
Nighthawk,

I feel your pain. When the Oilers lost, I felt like someone kicked me in the gut.

When the Texans lose... honestly I'm indifferent.

I just haven't "bonded" with this team. And I HAVE tried. I bought a PSL and had season tickets, I went to all the games, had a great time and all...

But so far this organization has made it very difficult to be a fan. I love Mr. McNair and am grateful for all he's done for this city. But from Casserly on down it has so far been a disaster, and I think Mr. McNair made a huge mistake in retaining him. He should've just cleaned house and started over.

I'd love to see Vince in here, but honestly the most important thing this team can do is WIN. So their football people need to make their decisions based on that. I do have a lot of faith in Kubiak.

I am a Houstonian and so it's difficult to be loyal to any team not from here. If Vince goes to the Saints or Titans then I will root for them. In the meantime I'm not going to allow myself to get to close to the Texans until I see them at least have a decent draft.
 
Htown34s said:
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.

Ah, the memories of me going to R.P. Harris Elementary worshiping Billy "White Shoes" Johnson. I cried my eyes out when the refs (my how somethings never change) blew the CATCH that Renfro made in Pittsburg. H-Town 34's and Texan Chick I back your sentiments one million percent! It would mean a great deal to me for Young to play here. Eventhough the odds are stacked against it. I just want my kids to experience the highs that I did as a child cheering a native while playing for the home team. Is that really so wrong?
 
chall8 said:
Nighthawk,

I feel your pain. When the Oilers lost, I felt like someone kicked me in the gut.

When the Texans lose... honestly I'm indifferent.

I just haven't "bonded" with this team. And I HAVE tried. I bought a PSL and had season tickets, I went to all the games, had a great time and all...

But so far this organization has made it very difficult to be a fan. I love Mr. McNair and am grateful for all he's done for this city. But from Casserly on down it has so far been a disaster, and I think Mr. McNair made a huge mistake in retaining him. He should've just cleaned house and started over.

I'd love to see Vince in here, but honestly the most important thing this team can do is WIN. So their football people need to make their decisions based on that. I do have a lot of faith in Kubiak.

I am a Houstonian and so it's difficult to be loyal to any team not from here. If Vince goes to the Saints or Titans then I will root for them. In the meantime I'm not going to allow myself to get to close to the Texans until I see them at least have a decent draft.

I'll give Mr. McNair some credit for trying to rectify the mistakes of CC. But now he needs to seal the deal and cancel CC's ***!
 
Htown34s said:
Thank you, Nighthawk and Texans_Chick, for your heartfelt football stories. I'm like you, with many found memories growing up with the Oilers.

I think most (if not all) of the rude responses you've gotten on this thread are from younger people or people new to Houston. They don't rememeber what it was like in the Luv Ya Blue! days. They weren't here to see the entire town transformed and brought together with Earl Campbell leading the way.

Sure, they rebuilt and had some other great teams with Moon and the run and shoot, and those were fun also. But nothing like the late 70's.

You see people, that was a special time. The odds of your team building a great team come around every decade or so, but those truely special teams only happen once in a generation or two.

To some of us, Vince Young represents a chance to have a very special team that we would all remember for the rest of our lives. Just look at what he has done to Houston. It truely is incredible.

Sure, he could be a bust. But looking back at drafts through the years you can see that ANY player can be a bust. But what I don't hear is the Vince haters ever speculating what if he ISN'T? What if he lives up to his potential? Could you imagine the high the entire city would be in during that time?

Sure, it may be a dream, but to me it's a dream worth reaching for.
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!

Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.

But thats my opinion.
 
TEXANRED said:
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!

Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.

But thats my opinion.
Thank you too buddy! But on Young, you know what I see in him, I see attitude, confidence, leadership. You have to admit it takes a pretty big set to say on TV that you plan to make people re-think their Heisman vote at the Rose Bowl. Then to start the year out challenging his teammates to rally around him for the Ohio State game. It's kinda like the Montana-Elway arguement. Elway did it with no tools in the box, Montana did it with all the tools box (BTW, I am a Montana guy). He plays with a chip on his shoulder. I just have a feeling that the Texans not drafting him will inspire him a whole lot more. BTW, did you see the look on his face when they gave the Heisman to Bush? The expression on his face told a thousand stories. I can accept Leinart or Bush coming here from the Titans and having career days against us more readily than I could Young having career days against us.
 
TEXANRED said:
Where is my thank you? I had a heart felt story!
Na seriously, what about Young over Lienart is so special. We are talking about a running QB. Running QB's dont have the longevity a pocket passer has in the NFL. I will say it again, Lienarts two national championships, heisman, and a 37-2 record is more impressive than anything Young did in college.
But thats my opinion.

Sorry, I feel your pain too. But truthfully, a lot of fans never got over Bud trading Earl and firing Bum. The Moon era just felt different.

Speaking of Vince, while he has outstanding numbers of his own, that isn't what you look at when taking someone like him. It seems to me like you haven't seen him in more than a game or two. I've seen every game he has played in. He is truely an incredible talent.

Sure, running QB's don't last long, but how many of those were ever 6'-5" and 235 lbs? Could they make people miss like him? What about their leadership ability? The Rose Bowl wasn't the first time that I saw VY lead his team to victory through shear will power.
 
Htown34s said:
Sorry, I feel your pain too. But truthfully, a lot of fans never got over Bud trading Earl and firing Bum. The Moon era just felt different.

Speaking of Vince, while he has outstanding numbers of his own, that isn't what you look at when taking someone like him. It seems to me like you haven't seen him in more than a game or two. I've seen every game he has played in. He is truely an incredible talent.

Sure, running QB's don't last long, but how many of those were ever 6'-5" and 235 lbs? Could they make people miss like him? What about their leadership ability? The Rose Bowl wasn't the first time that I saw VY lead his team to victory through shear will power.

I like the stuff about Young you don't see. The things you can't coach.
 
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