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My new 7 round draft. There should be no arguing with this list.

The Texans trade #1 overall to Oakland for #7 overall?.
The Texans recieve Robert Gallery, this years 2nd and next years first.

The raiders take their pick of the top QB.

The Texans take Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina St. with their first round pick.
In the second round, with pick #33, we take Ko Simpson FS S. Carolina.
With our other second, we take Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma
With our first third, we take CB Jason Allen Tenn.
With our other third, we take LB Thomas Howard, UTEP
In the fourth we take TE David Thomas, Texas
With our fifth rounder we take RB Maurice Drew, UCLA
In the sixth we take QB Barrick Nealy, Texas St.
In the seventh we take DT Roderkus Wright, Grossmont JC, CA
 
CoastalTexan said:
will Drew fall that far? I was under the impression he was pretty good.

He is pretty good. He played for a major college. He is a scat back, and very similar to Bush. The top of the draft is stocked with top tier RB prospects and he should fall once the top ones are taken.

Maybe I would switch Drew with Davis. I still want both, just maybe at different spots.
 
I really like the trade idea :idea: you must also realize that Gallery would be the top ranked OT over any in this years draft combined with two years of NFL experience would be a plus.

then we go defense with our 1st pick as we change to the 4-3 improving the pass rush another good idea :idea:

Ko Simpson FS S. Carolina- never seen him play, maybe you could provide a scouting report.

Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma- should be a solid starting Pro Guard that has the experince to add depth at the tackle position.

CB Jason Allen Tenn- I doubt he slips this far, will depend on his recovery will fill a definte need.

LB Thomas Howard, UTEP- going to be a project but I have no problem adding another LB.

RB Maurice Drew, UCLA- would depend if we resign Wells.

QB Barrick Nealy, Texas St.- need another scouting report.

DT Roderkus Wright, Grossmont JC, CA- ditto

all in all you seem to be focused on need which is ok, more along the lines that Casserly likes to use anyway :rolleyes:
 
beerlover said:
I really like the trade idea :idea: you must also realize that Gallery would be the top ranked OT over any in this years draft combined with two years of NFL experience would be a plus.

then we go defense with our 1st pick as we change to the 4-3 improving the pass rush another good idea :idea:

Ko Simpson FS S. Carolina- never seen him play, maybe you could provide a scouting report.

Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma- should be a solid starting Pro Guard that has the experince to add depth at the tackle position.

CB Jason Allen Tenn- I doubt he slips this far, will depend on his recovery will fill a definte need.

LB Thomas Howard, UTEP- going to be a project but I have no problem adding another LB.

RB Maurice Drew, UCLA- would depend if we resign Wells.

QB Barrick Nealy, Texas St.- need another scouting report.

DT Roderkus Wright, Grossmont JC, CA- ditto

all in all you seem to be focused on need which is ok, more along the lines that Casserly likes to use anyway :rolleyes:


I actually got the idea for Gallery from you beer. :rolleyes:

Ko Simpson Report: Well, for those that may not know a lot about Ko Simpson. He is a ball hawking Safety of the highest order, but he also posseses the ability to lay people out. Ko will probably not have a monster Combine, as I expect him to run in the 4.5 range. What he is though, is a pure football player who a high football IQ. If you watched him play against UGA either of the last 2 years you would have sworn he was the best Safety in the nation and he grades out that way in my book. At 6'2", 210 lbs he has the kind of size you want as well as good enough speed to cover a large territory in zones, and can go man up with most backs & ends.

I have been doing some research and have seen Allen as far down as the fourth. His injury is supposedly "career threatening" and he will have to have a GREAT combine to rise back up.

Howard is quite a project but has EXCELLENT speed, and is faster than hawk and most others. He is more local and his national hype has died down considerably. He makes the needed tackles.

Roderuk Wright courtsey of http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/RWright.htm
Try not to laugh when you read these stats, but keep reading to better understand how they came about… 65 tackles, 45 tackles for loss, 26.5 sacks, 66 QB hurries, five blocked kicks, five forced fumbles, five fumble recoveries and four pass breakups in 13 JC contests this year… games reviewed include San Jacinto, Victor Valley, Antelope Valley, College of the Canyons and City College of San Francisco; many of which he only played into the early portion of the second half…

Nealy - http://www.draftshowcase.com/BarrickNealy.htm
 
beerlover said:
you must also realize that Gallery would be the top ranked OT over any in this years draft combined with two years of NFL experience would be a plus.

This I do realize, and he INSTANTLY becomes our LT, no questions asked. Pitts moves to RT.

beerlover said:
then we go defense with our 1st pick as we change to the 4-3 improving the pass rush another good idea :idea:

Yes, I took into account our again D-line, and the likelyhood of a switch to the 4-3. Mario is someone teams need to game plan for seperatly. He helps our secondary with his pass rush ability.


beerlover said:
all in all you seem to be focused on need which is ok, more along the lines that Casserly likes to use anyway :rolleyes:

I am focused mostly on need, but I did take a few non need picks, mostly based on BPA, in the latter rounds. I have us taking a QB, RB, and DT.

Though beer, I feel my draft would turn out 100x anything cass could put out. Plus, forget his lines, because THIS is how I roll. :rolleyes:
 
Why would the Raiders trade Gallery when they have line problems of their own?
 
Vinny said:
Why would the Raiders trade Gallery when they have line problems of their own?


This isnt scientic vinny.

However, I feel the Raiders will fall in love with Bush/Young and I also feel they are trigger happy. Gallery has also not lived up to his draft position of #2 overall.

I think it is unlikely they give him up, but in order to secure that top spot, we will ask for him. They are a team that seems willing to gamble.

Aside, this is only a mock, and just a different version to help pass the time until after the combine.
 
Hasn't Gallery been a bit of a flop so far?

Also, Mario Williams will go by pick 6 at the latest, probably 4 (top six appear to be bush/leinert/VY/Fergy/Mario/Hawk). But JWilliams would be ok at #7.

I doubt Nealy is there in the 6th - more like 4th round.
Instead, we could use that pick on a kicker.

I would think we go for more linemen - since that is the strength of the draft. Specifically, pick 33 should net a sweet OL or DL that drops (a lineman projected in the 18-25 range will drop - it happens every year).

One deal I would like to do: #1 for #9 and Roy Williams (even better if we could trade down a pick or two an then do this deal). Detroit is desperate enough for a qb that they would do this. AJ and Roy would be a sweet tandem.
At #9, we take whoever falls: bush/leinert/VY/Fergy/Mario/Hawk should go top 6, JWilliams would be sweet at CB, Winston would work at LOT; if these are gone we go for Ngato (a stud NT if we are staying in the 3-4) or a pass rusher like Hali or Kiwanuka (or trade down again).
 
Vinny said:
Why would the Raiders trade Gallery when they have line problems of their own?

Because Vinny, the Raiders are interested in helping us trade down, to make our team better. Duh!

Just think of it like this guys. If we had Gallery, and the 7th pick in the draft, would you trade for it?

Of course you wouldnt. You would laugh at the proposal.
 
Xman said:
Hasn't Gallery been a bit of a flop so far?

Also, Mario Williams will go by pick 6 at the latest, probably 4 (top six appear to be bush/leinert/VY/Fergy/Mario/Hawk). But JWilliams would be ok at #7.

I doubt Nealy is there in the 6th - more like 4th round.
Instead, we could use that pick on a kicker.

I would think we go for more linemen - since that is the strength of the draft. Specifically, pick 33 should net a sweet OL or DL that drops (a lineman projected in the 18-25 range will drop - it happens every year).

One deal I would like to do: #1 for #9 and Roy Williams (even better if we could trade down a pick or two an then do this deal). Detroit is desperate enough for a qb that they would do this. AJ and Roy would be a sweet tandem.
At #9, we take whoever falls: bush/leinert/VY/Fergy/Mario/Hawk should go top 6, JWilliams would be sweet at CB, Winston would work at LOT; if these are gone we go for Ngato (a stud NT if we are staying in the 3-4) or a pass rusher like Hali or Kiwanuka (or trade down again).

Nealy is a D-II prospect and is considered very raw and would be a project. He has run a spread similar to VY. He will not go in the 4th.
 
There is no way that Oakland does that deal. They are essentially trading 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder (or 2+2 if you follow the whole first rounder next year = 2nd rounder this year thing) to move up 5/6 spots. While Gallery has not lived up to expectations of the #2 pick, he certainly has performed very solidly for the Raiders and would be our best O-lineman (just a bit better than Pitts) right now.
 
ok, aside from the gallery trade...does anyone have anything to add to the actual mock i took the effort to create? the picks? questions besides gallery?
 
I doubt it could happen, but I could get behind that draft. Not perfect, but heck, when's the last time ANY team had a perfect draft. Meets a LOT of our needs.
 
I like the 7th round pick. I dont think Howard will drop that far. Other than that, its pretty good. My only issue is if Howard does not drop that far, we dont get a Linebacker. I think we have to decent safeties in Brown and Earl, and instead of Ko Simpson we pick Bobby Carpenter of OSU. But either way, its a good mock.
 
rmartin65 said:
I like the 7th round pick. I dont think Howard will drop that far. Other than that, its pretty good. My only issue is if Howard does not drop that far, we dont get a Linebacker. I think we have to decent safeties in Brown and Earl, and instead of Ko Simpson we pick Bobby Carpenter of OSU. But either way, its a good mock.

We have two SS's, with one playing FS. Those two can battle it out for SS, but we need a true ballhawking FS. Simpson fits that mold. I REALLY want a LB, and instead of Mario in the first, I might later have us take A. Brooks if he tests well enough (assuming he declares). But all of that will be in a different mock.

I think howard will fall because of the staple of top tier LB's. LB's tend to slide as it is, and Hawk may have trouble going in the top 10, and then there are maybe 6 other LB's who could go in the 1-2. That is not even counting the 3-4 OLB/DE hybrids that ALWAYS rise up like manny lawson.
 
edo783 said:
I doubt it could happen, but I could get behind that draft. Not perfect, but heck, when's the last time ANY team had a perfect draft. Meets a LOT of our needs.

i think most people could get behind this draft.

I focused mostly on our needs early, and BPA or "high ceiling" prospects in the latter rounds.
 
From what I have read, Thomas Davis could go as early as the second round after his Rose Bowl performance.
 
texan279 said:
From what I have read, Thomas Davis could go as early as the second round after his Rose Bowl performance.

I really do not think he will.

Lewis, Davis, Pope, Day, Byrd, Klop...from Col.,and that guy from tusla all are rated pretty highly. I see him going no earlier than the 4th, regardless. His name will also fall of around the time of the combine.
 
Thomas Davis? David Thomas you mean? Vernon Davis is the potential top-10 TE from Maryland, David Thomas the TE from UT who should be 2nd/3rd round material. I'm not sure that he or Drew falls to the 4th and 5th rounds respectively. I don't think we can not take a tackle early in the draft though with our tremendous need and the talent available.
 
Jerry said:
Thomas Davis? David Thomas you mean? Vernon Davis is the potential top-10 TE from Maryland, David Thomas the TE from UT who should be 2nd/3rd round material. I'm not sure that he or Drew falls to the 4th and 5th rounds respectively. I don't think we can not take a tackle early in the draft though with our tremendous need and the talent available.

haha, my bad. nice catch. i was watching him in the panters game yesterday.
 
I don't see much point in drafting Maurice Drew in the 5th round, even though he'd be a decent pick there. I don't see him getting much playing time with Davis, Wells, and Morency in front of him. Just because we are contemplating drafting Bush doesn't mean we need to draft a RB if we pass on him. I agree that we also need to look for an OT high in the draft, I would say in the 1st round unless Mario Williams puts up a nice workout, then I'd be all for drafting him if we are switching to a 4-3 defense. You did have us trading for Gallery, but I'm not sold on him, I guess he'd be a good enough option for us, although he is the one player on their team that I think they are least likely to trade other than Moss.
 
MorKnolle said:
I don't see much point in drafting Maurice Drew in the 5th round, even though he'd be a decent pick there. I don't see him getting much playing time with Davis, Wells, and Morency in front of him. Just because we are contemplating drafting Bush doesn't mean we need to draft a RB if we pass on him. I agree that we also need to look for an OT high in the draft, I would say in the 1st round unless Mario Williams puts up a nice workout, then I'd be all for drafting him if we are switching to a 4-3 defense. You did have us trading for Gallery, but I'm not sold on him, I guess he'd be a good enough option for us, although he is the one player on their team that I think they are least likely to trade other than Moss.

I has an unesasy feeling about us retaining Wells, and an uneasy feeling whenever Morency is on the field. I should probally have listed a power back, but Drew was too much of a talent to pass on at that point.

Gallery was a much better prospect coming out as opposed to this years crop. He would be the "head and shoulders above the rest" LT. He also is seasoned, but has been considered a minor bust. He has not yet lived up to his potential or his draft position. I think dangling VY in front of Oakland would tempt them.
 
Robert Gallery = overrated. I dont think we would improve our O-line that much.

The Texans take Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina St. He is the top rated DL in the draft. Most people think he will be the 1st Defensive player taken. But we Still run the 34 so i dont know about this. Until we get a 43 coach we should plan for the 34.

In the second round, with pick #33, we take Ko Simpson FS S. Carolina. Now this might be a good pick for us. He is the #2 rated FS on my draft board. I like this pick.

With our other second, we take Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma Again the #2 rated OG on my draft board. This would massively improve our inner O-line. I like this pick too.

With our first third, we take CB Jason Allen Tenn. I know you have him as a CB but he can also play FS. Since we took Simpson in your mock then i have to say no here. He is ranked 3rd behind Simpson on my FS list. I think a Alan Zemaitis or a DeMario Minter would be more our fit for a CB. Plus i am not even sure Allen will be ther at what is this 37-39. i have him going 27 to the Jaguars.

With our other third, we take LB Thomas Howard, UTEP I think this is a stretch to say he will fall to the 3rd round. He is #5 on my list on OLB's. He should go prob in the middle of the 2nd round. Maybe a Spencer Havner or a Terna Nande would be a 3rd round picks and would be available for us.

In the fourth we take TE David Thomas, Texas Wow did this guys stock jump or what. I have him as a 6th round pick. In the 4th round check out some names that should be available... Jeff King and Owen Daniels are possible better options.

With our fifth rounder we take RB Maurice Drew, UCLA Personally this guy didnt even make my draft board. And why pretell do we need a RB dont we have Wells, Hollings, DD, and Morrency. I think an OL would eb good here. Maybe an OT like Zach Strief would be a good fit for a backup.

In the sixth we take QB Barrick Nealy, Texas St. QB are we planning on Banks leabing or what. I think maybe a 7th round pick or a undrafted FA i mean come on a 3rd stringer he wont play. I think a WR would or a CB would be good here. WR's Clinton Solomon, Steve Sanders, Mike Espy, Dallas Baker, Eric Kimble, Jeremy Bloom.. then CB's David Pittman, Harrison Smith or a Ray Washington if his stock might raise a little.

In the seventh we take DT Roderkus Wright, Grossmont JC, CAhmmm you know i might go along with this because i know last year we had a good pick in CC Brown that not 1 of us guessed so i say go for this pick... and good job looking this guys name up[/QUOTE]
 
royce1054 said:
Robert Gallery = overrated. I dont think we would improve our O-line that much.

The Texans take Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina St. He is the top rated DL in the draft. Most people think he will be the 1st Defensive player taken. But we Still run the 34 so i dont know about this. Until we get a 43 coach we should plan for the 34.

In the second round, with pick #33, we take Ko Simpson FS S. Carolina. Now this might be a good pick for us. He is the #2 rated FS on my draft board. I like this pick.

With our other second, we take Davin Joseph OG Oklahoma Again the #2 rated OG on my draft board. This would massively improve our inner O-line. I like this pick too.

With our first third, we take CB Jason Allen Tenn. I know you have him as a CB but he can also play FS. Since we took Simpson in your mock then i have to say no here. He is ranked 3rd behind Simpson on my FS list. I think a Alan Zemaitis or a DeMario Minter would be more our fit for a CB. Plus i am not even sure Allen will be ther at what is this 37-39. i have him going 27 to the Jaguars.

With our other third, we take LB Thomas Howard, UTEP I think this is a stretch to say he will fall to the 3rd round. He is #5 on my list on OLB's. He should go prob in the middle of the 2nd round. Maybe a Spencer Havner or a Terna Nande would be a 3rd round picks and would be available for us.

In the fourth we take TE David Thomas, Texas Wow did this guys stock jump or what. I have him as a 6th round pick. In the 4th round check out some names that should be available... Jeff King and Owen Daniels are possible better options.

With our fifth rounder we take RB Maurice Drew, UCLA Personally this guy didnt even make my draft board. And why pretell do we need a RB dont we have Wells, Hollings, DD, and Morrency. I think an OL would eb good here. Maybe an OT like Zach Strief would be a good fit for a backup.

In the sixth we take QB Barrick Nealy, Texas St. QB are we planning on Banks leabing or what. I think maybe a 7th round pick or a undrafted FA i mean come on a 3rd stringer he wont play. I think a WR would or a CB would be good here. WR's Clinton Solomon, Steve Sanders, Mike Espy, Dallas Baker, Eric Kimble, Jeremy Bloom.. then CB's David Pittman, Harrison Smith or a Ray Washington if his stock might raise a little.

In the seventh we take DT Roderkus Wright, Grossmont JC, CAhmmm you know i might go along with this because i know last year we had a good pick in CC Brown that not 1 of us guessed so i say go for this pick... and good job looking this guys name up
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that was a GREAT honest review. I will take a lot of that into consideration. Some of it, looking back now, I can't really argue with you too much. I will defend what I feel like I can:

Mario if we are in the 4-3, Ngata if still 3-4. I think most agree Mario would be the best option if we were to go defensive in the first.

Jason Allen was a tough one to predict. He is quite a talent, but I have heard his injury was career threatening. However, recently I believe he has begun to work out to prep for the combine. His injury really hurt his stock. In the end you are probally right. He should go higher.

Drew- I feel we won't be able to retain Wells, and I really do not like Morency. Most don't like hollings, I do however. I may be better off switching this pick entirely, but maybe going with a power back. This pick was mostly BPA however.

Howard- You may be right again, but his stock has fallen like few others. He plays OLB in a very strong class, and is not considered one of the top prospects. He is raw by most accounts, getting by w/speed. LB's also tend to drop more than expected. It may be a reach, but right now it does not appear to be much of one.

Nealy was more of an insurance pick for us. We trade out of VY, get a clone. I am assuming banks is gone. He becomes our third QB and is a tremendous athlete. I may change this pick later and maybe also switch it to Vick.
 
royce1054 said:
The Texans take Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina St. He is the top rated DL in the draft. Most people think he will be the 1st Defensive player taken. But we Still run the 34 so i dont know about this. Until we get a 43 coach we should plan for the 34.
6’7 290 Mario williams can easily play a 3-4 DE
 
Bubbajwp said:
6’7 290 Mario williams can easily play a 3-4 DE

It's not a matter of him being able to play the position at his size, its more about nuetralizing his natural ability through the 3-4. He has the pass rush ability of an OLB, but would you honestly consider him there?
 
YoungTexanFan said:
It's not a matter of him being able to play the position at his size, its more about nuetralizing his natural ability through the 3-4. He has the pass rush ability of an OLB, but would you honestly consider him there?

I had made this point in a previous thread and agree with you on that, Mario is physically big enough to play DE in a 3-4 but it will be a waste of his athletic, pass-rushing skills. I don't see much of a point in drafting Ngata in the 1st round with our current DLine, Payne and Walker are starting to get a little old but are pretty effective in a 3-4 and they have big enough contracts that we can't move them, and we have many problems to fix on the team that our 1st round pick would be better spent on.
 
MorKnolle said:
I had made this point in a previous thread and agree with you on that, Mario is physically big enough to play DE in a 3-4 but it will be a waste of his athletic, pass-rushing skills. I don't see much of a point in drafting Ngata in the 1st round with our current DLine, Payne and Walker are starting to get a little old but are pretty effective in a 3-4 and they have big enough contracts that we can't move them, and we have many problems to fix on the team that our 1st round pick would be better spent on.

Yes, but I am trying to find a reasonable option for our situation while still gaing mulitiple picks.

Mario is still my top guy right now...I can see it now...."OLB Mario Williams shoulder checks the RB down and bear paws the QB. Folks, now he is just toying with the QB. Somebody get the tranquilizer darts before this gets ugly. Mario, for the sweet love of Teddy Roosevelt, go back to the huddle."
 
YoungTexanFan said:
anyone else's opinion on this mock?
I think the Gallery deal would be more feasabile if WE gave up something next year, maybe our second this year or something like that... hell, they can have our entire line except for Pitts and Hodge if they want....
 
run-david-run said:
I think the Gallery deal would be more feasabile if WE gave up something next year, maybe our second this year or something like that... hell, they can have our entire line except for Pitts and Hodge if they want....

Maybe, but VY/Bush seem to both fit in Oakland. I think they would really be interested, and of course I would throw in a next year 3rd to insure gallery.
 
nealy? he was the scrambling qb that played on a torn acl for tha coogs isn't he? then left without warning if i remember right...i didn't look him up just sounds familiar
 
Nealy was at UH then got hurt and transferred to Texas State (SWT). Hes been a starter for 3 years and has put up very similar numbers to VY. They are both 6,5 230 and have read they both run around 4.5 40s. Many say that Nealy is a more polished passer than VY and is more of a pass first QB. They both played in the same style of offense. Nealy led Texas State to the semi finals in the D-1AA and lost due to a coaches decision. Nealy put up better numbers against the "wrecking crew" than vince. I've also seen Barrick pitch to an H-back and run 30 yards down the field to catch a pass. He has been looked at as a WR and QB in the NFL. He is very versitile. Well thats about it, i've seen every home game he played this year so if anyone has any other ?s just let me know.
 
CoastalTexan said:
Nealy was at UH then got hurt and transferred to Texas State (SWT). Hes been a starter for 3 years and has put up very similar numbers to VY. They are both 6,5 230 and have read they both run around 4.5 40s. Many say that Nealy is a more polished passer than VY and is more of a pass first QB. They both played in the same style of offense. Nealy led Texas State to the semi finals in the D-1AA and lost due to a coaches decision. Nealy put up better numbers against the "wrecking crew" than vince. I've also seen Barrick pitch to an H-back and run 30 yards down the field to catch a pass. He has been looked at as a WR and QB in the NFL. He is very versitile. Well thats about it, i've seen every home game he played this year so if anyone has any other ?s just let me know.

how quickly and well does he read the D.

What are the major knocks you saw from watching him personally.
 
He did the same option deal VY did, (hand off, run, pass). But I noticed him always pointing out blitzers. He would avoid the pass rush pretty good and run outside and make some outragous pass that I thought for sure it would be picked off but somehow ends up perfectly in a recievers hands. When he ran outside his throws seemed kinda VYish, but in the pocket he could throw a rocket and more accurate. He did have a very good LT (for D-1AA) so he wouldn't really worry about his blindside. Sometimes he would have a good 10 yard run right in front of him and pass instead. He lead a couple game winning drives if I remember correctly. Sometimes instead of getting a sure 1st down running he would pass and sometimes not get it. When he was heavily blitzed he would make iffy decisions (Overtime of the semifinal game). Sometimes it looked like he was afraid of getting hit. He did tear the defenses apart but then again we played in AA ball. We also had a good defense and a 6,7 WR that was his favorite target. We did a 2-3 RB rotation and it worked alright. Kinda like VY just a good overall team for the conference, but you could tell he was a man among boys out there.
 
first of all, maurice drew will be gone late 2nd or early 3rd round

there are also alot of teams that are in need of linebacker help(steelers, pats, dolphins, giants) so i see thomas howard being gone mid 2nd

jason allen could be available 3rd round, so if he is, thats a good pick

i seriously doubt the raiders will trade gallery considering they spent a #2 overall pick on him

they have too much invested in carr, so they wont take vince young. dbrick ferguson is great, but its hard to justify taking a lineman with the #1 overall pick.

they will stick with bush with the #1 pick because they will not find a trade worthy of passing on a great talent like bush

this is what i see for the first 4 rounds:

1st reggie bush RB
2nd jonathan scott OT
3rd anthony fasano TE
4th jason spitz OG
 
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