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My December mock

rmartin65 said:
Oh, I did not say Ingram was average. I just dont think he is the next great back. He will be good, but not great.

I love your draft, it would be sick as hell. If Haden is gone, I am thinking Iupati-Gerhart- and a corner. We would switch to a power run game.



Haha, nope.
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I can not get a grip on this Kubiac thing. Radio talk shows seem to be running about 70-30 to fire him. If he leaves, you & I are on same page. I would probably panic and select Gerhart too early to avoid missing him. I am not usually a BPA guy but draft to fill need especially for priority. We have got to have a power back.

Matt McGuire for WalterFootball.com does two rounds:updated December 4th
Texans #17 Earl Thomas FS #49 (2nd) Jonathan Dwyer

Walt does three rounds:updated December 10th
Texans #13 Thomas F.S. #44 (2nd) Mike Iupati OG #74 Gerhart
I could live with that draft. I'd feel better with Thomas supporting Quin; but would like another CB. I have Kyle Wilson in 4th but many think he will be in 2nd round with Perrish Cox ahead of him. I am going to start looking for another CB in case.
 
badboy said:
I can not get a grip on this Kubiac thing. Radio talk shows seem to be running about 70-30 to fire him. If he leaves, you & I are on same page. I would probably panic and select Gerhart too early to avoid missing him. I am not usually a BPA guy but draft to fill need especially for priority. We have got to have a power back.

Matt McGuire for WalterFootball.com does two rounds:updated December 4th
Texans #17 Earl Thomas FS #49 (2nd) Jonathan Dwyer

Walt does three rounds:updated December 10th
Texans #13 Thomas F.S. #44 (2nd) Mike Iupati OG #74 Gerhart
I could live with that draft. I'd feel better with Thomas supporting Quin; but would like another CB. I have Kyle Wilson in 4th but many think he will be in 2nd round with Perrish Cox ahead of him. I am going to start looking for another CB in case.
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The thing is, you really cant take a guy to early, if you have him as the player you want. Everyone made fun of the Titans when they drafted Chris Johnson, saying they picked him too early, but look who is laughing now. Good teams dont let other teams opinions influence their draft.

As the Texans keep losing, it looks more likely the Texans will be in a position to draft Haden, and get Gerhart in the 2nd. I highly doubt Gerhart runs slow enough to drop him to the third, he is the best power back (maybe second best, but I bumped him over Dwyer) in the draft. The third round pick should probably be an interior lineman.
 
rmartin65 said:
The thing is, you really cant take a guy to early, if you have him as the player you want. Everyone made fun of the Titans when they drafted Chris Johnson, saying they picked him too early, but look who is laughing now. Good teams dont let other teams opinions influence their draft.

As the Texans keep losing, it looks more likely the Texans will be in a position to draft Haden, and get Gerhart in the 2nd. I highly doubt Gerhart runs slow enough to drop him to the third, he is the best power back (maybe second best, but I bumped him over Dwyer) in the draft. The third round pick should probably be an interior lineman.
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Good points. If you have a need and that guy is there pick him. To many worry about other saying he would have been there (later round). Maybe yes and maybe no. You are right on target about Chris Johnson and I think this philosophy may have impacted us not getting an Rb last draft. If we go to a power blocking O next year, I am not sure if Mike Johnson would start over Studdard or Brisiel if Caldwell moved to LG.
 
Maybe this offseason Rick Smith can get real proactive & trade players (Dunta Robinson, Amobi Okoye, Andre Davis, Xavier Adibi - you have to give up value to get value) then trade down if Hayden is off the board in first. This has been the Patriots style, the difference being they got too aggressive when still in contention while its clear the Texans have yet to be in contention.

Imagine a draft with a couple picks in every round, oh the things we could do :specnatz:

1st - CB/OL
2nd - RB/DL
3rd - OL/DB
4th - OLB/LB
5th - RB/WR
6th - PK/QB
7th - CB/P
 
beerlover said:
Maybe this offseason Rick Smith can get real proactive & trade players (Dunta Robinson, Amobi Okoye, Andre Davis, Xavier Adibi - you have to give up value to get value) then trade down if Hayden is off the board in first. This has been the Patriots style, the difference being they got too aggressive when still in contention while its clear the Texans have yet to be in contention.

Imagine a draft with a couple picks in every round, oh the things we could do :specnatz:

1st - CB/OL
2nd - RB/DL
3rd - OL/DB
4th - OLB/LB
5th - RB/WR
6th - PK/QB
7th - CB/P
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Yes... wouldn't it be loverly?!:turtle:
 
beerlover said:
Maybe this offseason Rick Smith can get real proactive & trade players (Dunta Robinson, Amobi Okoye, Andre Davis, Xavier Adibi - you have to give up value to get value) then trade down if Hayden is off the board in first. This has been the Patriots style, the difference being they got too aggressive when still in contention while its clear the Texans have yet to be in contention.

Imagine a draft with a couple picks in every round, oh the things we could do :specnatz:

1st - CB/OL
2nd - RB/DL
3rd - OL/DB
4th - OLB/LB
5th - RB/WR
6th - PK/QB
7th - CB/P
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I used to encourage this years ago until tired of being laughed off the board, I gave up. Why couldn't we have gotten at least a third for Dunta? I think the last trade up to get back into the first ended poorly and McNair issued a memorandum to knock it off. I would gladly take a 2nd for Jacoby Jones.
 
badboy said:
I used to encourage this years ago until tired of being laughed off the board, I gave up. Why couldn't we have gotten at least a third for Dunta? I think the last trade up to get back into the first ended poorly and McNair issued a memorandum to knock it off. I would gladly take a 2nd for Jacoby Jones.
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salary cap stuff mostly. In order to get a 3rd for Dunta you would have had to have him agree to a huge contract with his new team and he proved why he wasn't worth doing that this last season. Nobody would give up a 3rd with the player leaving for FA. Who in their right mind would give a 2nd for Jacoby (I don't start) Jones? You can get a dedicated kick returner on the second day of any draft.
 
Vinny said:
salary cap stuff mostly. In order to get a 3rd for Dunta you would have had to have him agree to a huge contract with his new team and he proved why he wasn't worth doing that this last season. Nobody would give up a 3rd with the player leaving for FA. Who in their right mind would give a 2nd for Jacoby (I don't start) Jones? You can get a dedicated kick returner on the second day of any draft.
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sometimes your such a debbie downer :scarygirl: J/K
 
Vinny said:
salary cap stuff mostly. In order to get a 3rd for Dunta you would have had to have him agree to a huge contract with his new team and he proved why he wasn't worth doing that this last season. Nobody would give up a 3rd with the player leaving for FA. Who in their right mind would give a 2nd for Jacoby (I don't start) Jones? You can get a dedicated kick returner on the second day of any draft.
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The trade I have discussed before was DR and others(Okoye, Okam & another I think) to Oakland for Aso and a nose tackle. Davis would get a younger CB for less $ and Okam to replace the aging NT and Okoye to add a possible lineman on the up. In that trade, DR would get most of his money and agree to the deal. Having said that, DR might be worth a 3rd to Raiders. JJ has shown recently to be more than a return guy. He has done well as a WR. What he can not do is get to work on time. And by the way didn't we give a 2nd for him? How many KR do have we had on this team who did little for us?
 
badboy said:
The trade I have discussed before was DR and others(Okoye, Okam & another I think) to Oakland for Aso and a nose tackle. Davis would get a younger CB for less $ and Okam to replace the aging NT and Okoye to add a possible lineman on the up. In that trade, DR would get most of his money and agree to the deal. Having said that, DR might be worth a 3rd to Raiders. JJ has shown recently to be more than a return guy. He has done well as a WR. What he can not do is get to work on time. And by the way didn't we give a 2nd for him? How many KR do have we had on this team who did little for us?
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Rick Smith - Hey yo Al! I would like to trade you my pile of turds for your diamonds!

Al - Hey yo Rick! I know you crazy, and I'ma let you finish, but that would be the worst trade of all time!
 
salary cap still. Teams trading their players have to accelerate the cost of the contract bonus pay into the trade year.

No way the Raiders touch Dunta...they like elite speed and really, they have the best CB in the NFL right now. They don't need a slot CB for elite money.

Jones can't even get more time than David Anderson. You are way overvaluing your talent. Ok0ye has no trade value and 0kman has less.
 
Goatcheese said:
Rick Smith - Hey yo Al! I would like to trade you my pile of turds for your diamonds!

Al - Hey yo Rick! I know you crazy, and I'ma let you finish, but that would be the worst trade of all time!
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This was suggested after it was noted that Davis had said he had a small select group (unidentified) he would offer up for bid. Remember your "turds" are starting and /or playing a lot of plays.
 
badboy said:
This was suggested after it was noted that Davis had said he had a small select group (unidentified) he would offer up for bid. Remember your "turds" are starting and /or playing a lot of plays.
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hence the 5-7 record
 
Vinny said:
salary cap still. Teams trading their players have to accelerate the cost of the contract bonus pay into the trade year.

No way the Raiders touch Dunta...they like elite speed and really, they have the best CB in the NFL right now. They don't need a slot CB for elite money.

Jones can't even get more time than David Anderson. You are way overvaluing your talent. Ok0ye has no trade value and 0kman has less.
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until JJ missed the meeting and told to stay home he was much more effective than Anderson. JJ had two TDs I think as a WR + his returns that Davis does not. You might like Davis better but I don't. Not arguing about DR versus Asomugha. The proposal I made was several weeks ago and the idea was set forth by a Raider fan that Davis was willing to cut loose almost anyone. As you recall back then the MB was roiling with pro cons on how good DR was.

Back to the point I agree that we might be able to trade some players for draft picks. Do you agree?
 
badboy said:
until JJ missed the meeting and told to stay home he was much more effective than Anderson. JJ had two TDs I think as a WR + his returns that Davis does not. You might like Davis better but I don't. Not arguing about DR versus Asomugha. The proposal I made was several weeks ago and the idea was set forth by a Raider fan that Davis was willing to cut loose almost anyone. As you recall back then the MB was roiling with pro cons on how good DR was.

Back to the point I agree that we might be able to trade some players for draft picks. Do you agree?
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Neither Davis or JJ have any trade value, but obviously Al didn't have a garage sale and I'm sure if he did, he wouldn't trade for guys like Davis (not with a team when we signed him) when he could just sign a guy like him in the off season. Davis and JJ are just role players...return men. Neither have proven they can start in the league.
 
Vinny said:
hence the 5-7 record
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Really? How many TDs has Dunta given up? Damn, I hate to be defending the guy. Okoye is part of a Dline that has greatly reduced the run. Don't start talking about whether he has been a bust, I am just talking about this season after Bush seemingly turned the D around. I don't know how much Okoye had to do with it but I don't remember many long runs against him. Maybe Jones in Jags game but I don't remember.
 
Vinny said:
Neither Davis or JJ have any trade value, but obviously Al didn't have a garage sale and I'm sure if he did, he wouldn't trade for guys like Davis (not with a team when we signed him) when he could just sign a guy like him in the off season. Davis and JJ are just role players...return men. Neither have proven they can start in the league.
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You don't have to be a starter to be worth a draft pick.
 
badboy said:
Really? How many TDs has Dunta given up? Damn, I hate to be defending the guy. Okoye is part of a Dline that has greatly reduced the run. Don't start talking about whether he has been a bust, I am just talking about this season after Bush seemingly turned the D around. I don't know how much Okoye had to do with it but I don't remember many long runs against him. Maybe Jones in Jags game but I don't remember.
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you totally overvalue ok0ye. He has zero trade worth....if you get anything it would be a TJ like haul.
 
Goatcheese said:
Rick Smith - Hey yo Al! I would like to trade you my pile of turds for your diamonds!

Al - Hey yo Rick! I know you crazy, and I'ma let you finish, but that would be the worst trade of all time!
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speaking of "pile of turds" who was it that struck the deal which brought P-Burn to Houston & what about those turds we could have drafted instead? :chef:

In 05 Oakland used the 2nd (#47) in another trade. Dan Cody who the Texans picked up in free agency was selected #53.

Moats was selected by Philly one pick before Houston/Oakland in 3rd. #77 while Vernand Morency (pick aquired via Dallas for Drew Henson) left town for Wisconsin never to be heard from again after some short lived success.

don't know what I'm trying to say but in around about way Texans wound up with something similar despite the trade so you just never know :butterfly:
 
On a side note can anyone tell me what happened to most of Denvers O-line? I was trying to see who maybe the Texans could try and get off their squad, but almost every OL on there has only been on the team this year. I would also like to see what Brett Helms and Foster have to offer since Kubiak is getting another year.
 
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