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My 2 cents about taking Reggie Bush

beerlover said:
one way or another Bush is worth at least a couple birds in the hand :rolleyes: something that no one has yet considered is in fact a trade with a team willing to deal a player the Texans covet plus picks to aquire a talent like Bush.

having the #1 pick is important IF its handled properly, the question to me is- "Do we trust Casserly to make the right move?"
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True, having the #1 pick will present many options that could help the team, but I still refuse to hope the team loses in order to lock up the #1 pick like some of the people on this board have been doing. (btw not saying you are one of them) We can still do plenty to help this team with any pick that we will likely end up with.
 
chances are we dont need to worry about whether or not Casserly will make the right move... we need to worry about whether his replacement will.
 
Grid said:
chances are we dont need to worry about whether or not Casserly will make the right move... we need to worry about whether his replacement will.
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as much as would like to concure I have yet to see any source implying that Casserly will not be the GM in charge therefore until that is addressed this will continue to be a concern.:cool:
 
the texans won't take bush, and likely they shouldn't.

but we are entitled to feel bitter about this- about the fact the team, 4 years in, has only a handful of bona fide NFL players and thus must trade quality for quantity.

and the architect of the disaster, in the houston version of "accountability", need feel bitter about nothing- his paychecks keep on coming. and the owner instead blames the losing on us not cheering loud enough.

it's a messed-up situation, the "enron" of the NFL.

buit it's what we have. and they can't take bush. we can at least revel in the factr the price for bush/leinart is going higher, going into eli manning-esque territory. vilma plus the #3 type level.
 
I agree with Heywood. The best case scenario for us would be Trade with Tennessee swapping 1st rounders and acquiring a player like Ben Troupe in the process. Then we draft D.Brick with that pick. If that move were to happen, that would solidify our front 6.

With weapons and protection around him. We give Carr one more year if he can pull off a Drew Brees. But if a 2nd and 3rd round pick is offered on the table for D.Carr, i think we should take it. With those picks we should try to acquire a player like Philip Rivers or Matt Schuab.
 
Trapped said:
I agree with Heywood. The best case scenario for us would be Trade with Tennessee swapping 1st rounders and acquiring a player like Ben Troupe in the process. Then we draft D.Brick with that pick. If that move were to happen, that would solidify our front 6.

With weapons and protection around him. We give Carr one more year if he can pull off a Drew Brees. But if a 2nd and 3rd round pick is offered on the table for D.Carr, i think we should take it. With those picks we should try to acquire a player like Philip Rivers or Matt Schuab.
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1) If we're trading off our first pick (presumably the #1 overall) we'd damn better get more than a later 1st round pick and Ben Troupe for it. We could likely trade it for the 4-7 pick, plus this year's second rounder, and next year's first or second round pick from a team, or if we're looking for a player in return we need something much better than a decent TE.

2) I doubt there will be many trade offers for Carr because even though I think he will be a great QB in this league, people aren't going to trade a whole lot for someone that has been underdeveloped and possibly damaged in his four years with this team, plus if we exercise the option on him then trade him, that's $8+ million in dead cap space for us next year, plus trying to draft a starting quality QB in the 3rd round that can come in and start right away and try to improve the team is not going to happen.
 
So much of this subject hinges on whether or not you believe the Texans problems are talent based or coaching based. If you buy the lack of talent argument then you feel that the team needs more players.

If you consider coaching to blame for our current record then you think we already have players and just want to add the best one possible in the first round. Here's where it gets interesting.

What does Charlie Casserly think? Charlie is going to survive this regime change and he's going to do it by riding the "I gave him players and he didn't get it done" train. He's also going to hire the next coach and I expect that Charlie is going to be the guy who really has the most input into what happens with that #1 pick if we should get it.

I think it could go one of a couple of different ways. Casserly likes to trade. It's in his blood and I personally think he does it even when he probably shouldn't. He seems to think of himself as some sort of personnel genius who knows more than everyone around him about talent. Personally I think he's liable to trade the pick down.

Most of us want to see the Texans take a LT if this happens. Even those of us who would prefer that he take Reggie Bush expect him to draft a LT if he trades down.

I bet Charlie doesn't do that unless Bob McNair personally walks into his office and tells him to do it. I bet the message is literally going to have to be that direct.

You guys just wait and see. Charlie Casserly does not think the Texans are in dire need to better talent. That would be an indictment of the job he's done as our GM so I'm certain that the "Chester Pitts is our franchise LT" talk is originating with CC. He's going to draft someone we do not expect. He's going to be "clever" and outsmart us all. He's going to be "creative".

The more I think about it the more worried I make myself. I'm not worried that we won't draft Reggie Bush, honestly. I'm worried that we won't draft Reggie Bush AND we won't end up with the kind of value that you would expect from a team that traded away the right to draft Reggie Bush would get. I'm worried that 'ol Charlie the "Riverboat Gambler" will blow the deal.

This is of course the same guy who made the Babin deal with Tennessee so that not only would we trade a bunch of picks for our guy but those same picks could come back and bite us in the rear end twice a year for the next decade or so. He's also the guy who gave away two first day picks for Buchanon.

When he's on Casserly does some good stuff but that's two times specifically that I've seen him do something particularly lame-brained. If he blows this pick I'm going to be making me a new avatar.
 
Hervoyel said:
You guys just wait and see. Charlie Casserly does not think the Texans are in dire need to better talent. That would be an indictment of the job he's done as our GM so I'm certain that the "Chester Pitts is our franchise LT" talk is originating with CC. He's going to draft someone we do not expect. He's going to be "clever" and outsmart us all. He's going to be "creative".
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You bring up a good point and have me worried about this too now. Casserly in the past has traded a lot of picks, although generally he's traded them away to get players, all the while saying he wants to build through the draft.
 
I think Reggie Bush is a special talent in college and will be a great NFL player. That said, I do not think he is the best option for our team. Because of many past personnel transactions that have happened (or haven't happened depending on the case), we have many holes we need to fill, RB is one of our stronger positions and we have Domanick locked down to a decently hefty contract even if we wanted to get rid of him (I don't), and the way our offense has been built I think he would not be the wisest choice for us. Unfortunately it is a matter of timing, if Bush (with his current skills) had been available two years ago I would definitely say we should get him, and maybe if he was coming out in 2-3 years I would say the same, but with the way our team is built I don't think taking Reggie Bush would be the best thing for improving our team. At some point in the next couple weeks I'll put together my list of what I would have us do in the off-season if I was in control of the team.
 
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