Mussops mock

[beerlover]

Trade back.

I've heard Seattle (#12) is interested in Fleener, they would like to trade back & then draft him somewhere before Cleveland (#22) who also is interested. But if he does make it to the Texans #26 the Giants would be willing to trade their 3rd to get him. This would give Texans two picks in the 3rd rd. & 4th rd. that's 9 selections in all

 

[aussie_texan]

I've heard Seattle (#12) is interested in Fleener, they would like to trade back & then draft him somewhere before Cleveland (#22) who also is interested. But if he does make it to the Texans #26 the Giants would be willing to trade their 3rd to get him. This would give Texans two picks in the 3rd rd. & 4th rd. that's 9 selections in all

Trading with the giants would be a dream scenario because we get the extra pick but still many prospects we value should be around

 

[SW H-TOWN]

Good mock, you just need a Kicker and somebody who can rush the QB.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Good mock, you just need a Kicker and somebody who can rush the QB.

I agree. Drafting a FB is kind of a waste of a pick, especially with Casey on the roster and drafting a TE high. Swap out the 6th for a kicker and I think this would be a pretty good mock. I'm not too thrilled with the Fleener pick, but I can see the value in it. OD probably won't be here after this year, so we need a good pass catcher to replace him. Just need to teach him how to block well and he could be the #1 TE next year.

 

[mussop]

I agree. Drafting a FB is kind of a waste of a pick, especially with Casey on the roster and drafting a TE high. Swap out the 6th for a kicker and I think this would be a pretty good mock. I'm not too thrilled with the Fleener pick, but I can see the value in it. OD probably won't be here after this year, so we need a good pass catcher to replace him. Just need to teach him how to block well and he could be the #1 TE next year.

Just trying to look at the draft from a different prospective from the one thats been beaten to death for the last two months. Drafting a TE while maybe not an immediate huge need, could pay off big next year if cap problems continue like they have. And Fleener is good enough that he would make significant contributions this year IMO and could possibly be a major player for us in the near future. Add to that that this is a late first the risk is worth the potential reward.

Rodriquez isn't your typical FB. He is more a Casey clone. Those types aren't as easy to find in FA. I don't care for having a thumper at FB. Having two really good TE's and two receiving threats out of the backfield will loosen defenses up enough for us in short yardage situations and it will keep Foster from having to take a beating in those situations.


As far as adding another pass rusher goes. I have a plan! Trade next years first and a late pick (say our 4th) with New England for one of their first this year and draft either Branch or McClellin.

 

[beerlover]

Exactly how inferior prospect is Egnew to Fleener? Late 1st vs early 3rd.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Just trying to look at the draft from a different prospective from the one thats been beaten to death for the last two months. Drafting a TE while maybe not an immediate huge need, could pay off big next year if cap problems continue like they have. And Fleener is good enough that he would make significant contributions this year IMO and could possibly be a major player for us in the near future. Add to that that this is a late first the risk is worth the potential reward.

No problem with that at all. I always like seeing mocks, the good, bad and the weird

Rodriquez isn't your typical FB. He is more a Casey clone. Those types aren't as easy to find in FA. I don't care for having a thumper at FB. Having two really good TE's and two receiving threats out of the backfield will loosen defenses up enough for us in short yardage situations and it will keep Foster from having to take a beating in those situations.

Well, why do we need a Casey clone if we have Casey? We have Casey on the roster now, and he won't command much money as a free agent next year. I'm sure we can re-sign him, he's a Houston guy, went to Rice, has a family here. I think the Texans will have him as long as they want.

As far as adding another pass rusher goes. I have a plan! Trade next years first and a late pick (say our 4th) with New England for one of their first this year and draft either Branch or McClellin.

No need to trade the 4th, the Pats would be happy with just a future first. They won't expect the Texans to make it too deep into the playoffs next year, so it will likely be considered a 20-28th pick. Could get #27 or 31 this year from them, like the Saints did when they traded their 2012 first for the 28th pick in the draft last year.

 

[mussop]

I've heard Seattle (#12) is interested in Fleener, they would like to trade back & then draft him somewhere before Cleveland (#22) who also is interested. But if he does make it to the Texans #26 the Giants would be willing to trade their 3rd to get him. This would give Texans two picks in the 3rd rd. & 4th rd. that's 9 selections in all

Trade our first for the Giants first and third? I would do that. I would even trade down again if I could. There is a lot of talent at positions of need for us in the second round of this draft.

I think we are going to see alot more trades this year than we usually do. Teams will be willing to part way with later picks to move up since the money won't be so high. Wonder how this will affect the value chart?

 

[mussop]

Exactly how inferior prospect is Egnew to Fleener? Late 1st vs early 3rd.

I like Egnew. He is my second favorite TE. I have him rated a late 3rd or fourth round pick. He's on my new mock. I have said many times that Egnew reminds me alot of OD.

 

[rarazz00]

1st Coby Fleener TE Stanford Sr 6-6 247

With all the 2 TE sets we run and the pending cap problems/huge contract OD has going into next year, getting a top flight TE should be important. Fleener is the best TE in this draft period and is as close as you get to can't miss.

2nd Mitchell Schwartz OT California Sr 6-5 318

We have no real depth at OT and Schwartz is a perfect fit for our system. He can also play OG.


3rd Mike Martin DT Michigan Sr 6-1 306

Adding another active player to our front seven rotation is going to pay huge dividends down the dtretch.

4th a Greg Childs WR Arkansas Sr 6-3 219

Do I need to explain this pick?

4th b Derek Wolfe DE Cincinnati Sr 6-5 295

AGAIN = Adding another active player to our front seven rotation is going to pay huge dividends down the stretch.


5th Audie Cole ILB NC State rSr 6-4 246

Competition for Sharpton. Have to have more quality depth here.

6th Evan Rodriguez FB Temple Sr 6-1 239

Backs up Casey and don't have to change anything when he is in.

7th J.R. Sweezy DT NC State rSr 6-5 298

AGAIN = Adding another active player to our front seven rotation is going to pay huge dividends down the stretch.

Not too excited about Coby Fleener, but I can roll with it as well
Love the 2nd pick (Schwartz)
wont argue too much on the 3rd(Martin) but I will say Derek Wolf is listed as DE/DL and would he not make for a better DL here as he will be gone by the end of the 3rd?
we both love Childs
I got Tank Carder and you got Cole..Tank is 2" smaller and 10lbs lighter than your guy, though my guy is faster..both have done well in college
Don't know of the 6th or 7th pick, so I cant respond to the players..

 

[bah007]

I think Egnew is a bigger but less talented version of Travis Beckum, who has caught only 26 passes in three years for the Giants. I think his game and skills are very similar to where Beckum was coming out of college.

I'm not interested.

 

[powda]

Hindsight is 20/20. Curious, do you guys still wish we'd drafted fleener? I thought the mercilous pick was solid and he played well when given the opportunity. You?

 

[mussop]

Hindsight is 20/20. Curious, do you guys still wish we'd drafted fleener? I thought the mercilous pick was solid and he played well when given the opportunity. You?

I think Fleener would of been wasted pick. At least with Schaub at QB.

I was very happy with the Mercilous pick. I honestly never considered him because I thought there was no was he fell to us. I think he will start next year and he has the ability to play really well. Now we just need someone in the middle that can either push the pocket back or get penetration up the middle.

 

[Insideop]

Hindsight is 20/20. Curious, do you guys still wish we'd drafted fleener? I thought the mercilous pick was solid and he played well when given the opportunity. You?

I was one who had wished the Texans drafted Fleener but I wasn't disappointed about them getting Mercilus. I figured they wouldn't draft a TE that high anyway. This year I think is a deeper class of TE's and there are some taller ones (6'6"+) they can grab in the early and middle rounds that may turn out to be pretty good like Fauria and Kelce. With all the compensatory picks (maybe 4) the Texans should be able to get a good TE in the 3rd or 4th round at least.

 

[Rey]

Hindsight is 20/20. Curious, do you guys still wish we'd drafted fleener? I thought the mercilous pick was solid and he played well when given the opportunity. You?

I didn't want either one of those guys. I wanted zeitler and if I could do it over again that's still who I'd have chosen.

I like fleener and merci is ok I guess. But I just really like zeitler. I think he's going to be a great guard for years.

 

[steelbtexan]

I didn't want either one of those guys. I wanted zeitler and if I could do it over again that's still who I'd have chosen.

I like fleener and merci is ok I guess. But I just really like zeitler. I think he's going to be a great guard for years.

Love Zeitler, wish you were the GM. LOL

Who do you see is comparable to Zeitler in this yrs draft? Excluding Warmack