Mr. McNair, Kubiak, Casserly - Too Smart for Bu$h hype!

[infantrycak]

Right..... it's not that people on this board are making this up. It's one of Bush's negatives on his scout report.

Until Reggie Bush actually gets injured, people are making it up. In any event, it is by no means a certainty he will have problems--at this point is at most a potential negative rather than an actual one.

but from experience, leaner guys can't handle the 20+ carries life of an NFL back, without bulking up. There are exceptions, but generally speaking they'll have to bulk up, if they will be used in this manner.

It's a lot more than exceptions. Barry Sanders only missed 10 games over 10 years. Emmitt Smith only missed 7 games over his first 12 years. Tony Dorsett missed 17 games in 11 seasons and 7 of those came in a single season. Walter Peyton missed 12 games over 13 seasons. Curtis Martin missed 10 games over 11 seasons. Someone who wants to keep harranging this durability concern should step up and find a bunch of small backs who are consistantly unable to perform due to pounding that would have been saved by carrying an extra 20 lbs, i.e. not ankle and knee injuries which are the most common injuries for RB's. See Jamal Lewis 25 games missed in 6 seasons, Fred Taylor 35 games missed over 8 seasons, Deuce McAllister 26 games over 5 seasons, Jerome Bettis 23 games over his 1st 10 seasons.

 

[Double Barrel]

It's a lot more than exceptions. Barry Sanders only missed 10 games over 10 years. Emmitt Smith only missed 7 games over his first 12 years. Tony Dorsett missed 17 games in 11 seasons and 7 of those came in a single season. Walter Peyton missed 12 games over 13 seasons. Curtis Martin missed 10 games over 11 seasons. Someone who wants to keep harranging this durability concern should step up and find a bunch of small backs who are consistantly unable to perform due to pounding that would have been saved by carrying an extra 20 lbs, i.e. not ankle and knee injuries which are the most common injuries for RB's. See Jamal Lewis 25 games missed in 6 seasons, Fred Taylor 35 games missed over 8 seasons, Deuce McAllister 26 games over 5 seasons, Jerome Bettis 23 games over his 1st 10 seasons.

Hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good debate, o.k.?

Good post, tho'. I'm going to c&p your quote for future reference.

 

[thunderkyss]

It's a lot more than exceptions. Barry Sanders only missed 10 games over 10 years. Emmitt Smith only missed 7 games over his first 12 years. Tony Dorsett missed 17 games in 11 seasons and 7 of those came in a single season. Walter Peyton missed 12 games over 13 seasons. Curtis Martin missed 10 games over 11 seasons. Someone who wants to keep harranging this durability concern should step up and find a bunch of small backs who are consistantly unable to perform due to pounding that would have been saved by carrying an extra 20 lbs

I'm not that someone, as I've no idea how small Reggie is.

But none of the guys you mentioned are small by comparison. NFL backs who are 5'10" should weigh 200lbs...... any lighter, and he is considered small.
5'11" should weigh 210lbs....... any lighter, and he is considered small.
6'0" should weigh 215lbs........ any lighter, and he is considered small.
6'1" should weigh 220........ any lighter, and he is considered small.
6'2" should weigh 225..... any lighter, and he is considered small.
6'3" should weigh 230........ any lighter, and he is considered small.

any taller than 6'3", and we would call him a tight end.

In your list, Walter Payton is small....... he is the exception.

 

[infantrycak]

But none of the guys you mentioned are small by comparison.

Everyone of those guys had size concerns coming into the NFL.

NFL backs who are 5'10" should weigh 200lbs...... any lighter, and he is considered small. ...

This might mean something (other than you have created another arbitrary standard to discount an alternate to your priority of VY or Mario) if it (a) was an opinion/standard used by anyone connected to the NFL and (b) if there was even a smidgen of proof to show 200 lb 5' 11" backs were consistantly more injury prone than 5' 10" backs--otherwise it is just conjecture which doesn't appear to have any basis in fact.

In your list, Walter Payton is small....... he is the exception.

Have fun reading McClain's article on Wednesday where he provides combine weights for 10 RB's who were full timers and successful. By the way--Dorsett was smaller than Payton--5' 11" 190 lbs.

 

[TreWardTxn]

I think we can agree that the size, strength, and speed of defenders and the "standard" NFL back size has changed since the days of Dorsett and Payton. I don't care how big (or little) Payton was, he was one of the most physical guys on the field, Bush is not that guy.

I honestly believe if the Texans try to make Bush a 20 carry guy, he will have endurance/durability issues. The great part though is, if Bush has a shoulder injury or something, you can simply move him to wideout and limit him to a handful of carries. Other backs don't offer or have that luxury...

 

[Mailman04]

The public doesn't want Vince Young, only some Texas Longhorn fans. The Texans don't need a QB, how hard is that for some of you to understand. You say Bush is going to be a bust, are you sure Young, Leinart and Cutler won't be a bust? Reggie Bush dominated far more at USC than Mario Williams did at NC State. I have serious questions about Young, but any player could be a bust. But, the people insisting Bush will be a bust have nothing to back that up other than they,. not the public, want Bush.

 

[swtbound07]

The public doesn't want Vince Young, only some Texas Longhorn fans. The Texans don't need a QB, how hard is that for some of you to understand. You say Bush is going to be a bust, are you sure Young, Leinart and Cutler won't be a bust? Reggie Bush dominated far more at USC than Mario Williams did at NC State. I have serious questions about Young, but any player could be a bust. But, the people insisting Bush will be a bust have nothing to back that up other than they,. not the public, want Bush.

Am i not the public??? Im not a longhorn fan. That is a myth perpetuated on this board. We do need a new qb. PERIOD. How hard is that for you to get through your head. Bush will be a bust, and im sure young wont. I have serious questions about bush......see how this post in reverse is just as obnoxious?

 

[TreWardTxn]

At least one of those guys coming out of USC is going to be a bust. Somebody give me an early line on Leinart...

 

[BradK10]

Greetings elgie,

What a dynamic as well as beautifully written post. Your sort of talent, just does not come along very often upon this great website.....

WELCOME TO THE CLUB! .....for the once seemingly ominous clouds above, seem to be parting at just the proper occasion -- for we really have not seen anything just yet.....

OUR NATIVE SON VINCE YOUNG, IS INDEED COMING HOME TO PLAY KIND ELGIE!

....cannot wait to feast my eyes upon your written articulation then.....
MONARCH

God, this guy is on whatever killed Hendrix.

 

[BradK10]

IMHO, anything Reggie Gets, will be taking away from what DD, Moulds, AJ, Mathis, Putz, Cook, Morency & Walter should be getting... We've got a very potent offense on paper, right now. David, if kept upright, should have a 3800 yard passing season... we should have 2000 yards rushing, with no help from the QB....... we've got the players now, to make that happen. Reggie will not likely add to this total, but be a part of it.

Thunderkyss, that's a damned good point.

 

[MorKnolle]

IMHO, anything Reggie Gets, will be taking away from what DD, Moulds, AJ, Mathis, Putz, Cook, Morency & Walter should be getting... We've got a very potent offense on paper, right now. David, if kept upright, should have a 3800 yard passing season... we should have 2000 yards rushing, with no help from the QB....... we've got the players now, to make that happen. Reggie will not likely add to this total, but be a part of it.

I somewhat agree. Bush definitely adds a new dimension to the offense and would increase my expectations for yards, scoring, ability to sustain drives, and ability to create matchup problems. Either way, I wouldn't expect 3800 passing yards and 2000 rushing yards, that puts us in the top 3 overall offenses last year and with or without Bush I don't expect us to beat out Indianapolis, Denver, Cincinnati, NY Giants, Kansas City, Seattle, etc. just yet, but I do expect Bush will add to the offensive output. However, I do agree that I think the offense can be solid without him and that he doesn't bring an amazing amount of new production in this scheme, which is one big reason why I think Mario Williams would bring more to our defense than Bush brings to our offense.