LoneStarState
Waterboy
I'm sure you wouldn't be so quick to call it a "half title" if Texas had won half a Championship. And besides, that's "half" a championship more than VY has...Hookem Horns said:
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TexanBacker93
Veteran
Young will put the fans in the seats this year. So will Bush. Putting together a winning team will put fans in the seats for years. The Texans won't pick a player just to put fans in the seats. The Longhorn boosters mean nothing to the Texans. Those guys sit in the luxury boxes. It's the fans in the stands that they want to come back. A winning team is the only way to get them here for good.
LoneStarState
Waterboy
THANK YOU!!!TexanBacker93 said:
i think the major thing to keep in mind is that do you really think it's smart to start over at the QB position every 4 years? no no no...is VY great yes...can carr be great yes...does reggie bush make this team better yes...honestly it doesn't matter what chris mortensen says or what john mcclain says...or richard justice for that matter...only thing is for certain...no one knows who we are going to pick right now...otherwise casserly would have already had contract talks with them
GP
Go Texans!
One thing nobody can deny is that we treat our draft picks very well.
Carr practically had his contract ready to sign on draft day.
DD got his payday for doing such a good job.
You just see a franchise that might not be winning right now, but that is sure enough turning heads around the league in terms of how we take care of them.
Why do you think Bush is publicly stating that he wouldn't mind playing for us?
I mean, everybody gets paid...but would you rather get paid to play in Houston or in New Orleans?
Bob McNair might not have delivered us a winning team thus far, but he sure has laid the foundation for this team that will get people's attention and make them want to come here to try and help us win.
He's making this team into a K.C. Chiefs kinda' team where things are run right, and talent wants to come here.
Carr practically had his contract ready to sign on draft day.
DD got his payday for doing such a good job.
You just see a franchise that might not be winning right now, but that is sure enough turning heads around the league in terms of how we take care of them.
Why do you think Bush is publicly stating that he wouldn't mind playing for us?
I mean, everybody gets paid...but would you rather get paid to play in Houston or in New Orleans?
Bob McNair might not have delivered us a winning team thus far, but he sure has laid the foundation for this team that will get people's attention and make them want to come here to try and help us win.
He's making this team into a K.C. Chiefs kinda' team where things are run right, and talent wants to come here.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
The trick is going to be getting good players to come here.
LoneStarState
Waterboy
The Front Office being loyal to the players (i.e., making honest attempts to get better players and maybe an OFFENSIVE LINE) matters a lot. If players know that the organization wants to win and take care of its players, they'll want to be here. If they think they will be drafted or brought in to get beaten up every Sunday with no chance to win - there's no way they'll want to be here. BUT - Bob McNair knows how to treat people and he wants to make sure that his players and staff have the tools and support to succeed.
LoneStarState
Waterboy
The minute VY screws up or has had a seaon like Carr did in 2005 (I know - that's unimaginable to all VY fans) - he'll be booed. All NFL teams face that possibility every year. A player they pass on turns into a hall of famer - that's the nature of the league. To say they'll be doomed forever is a little extreme. We will survive without VY - I guarantee it...Wordem said:
LoneStarState said:
Perhaps, but it will always be as a loser franchise who chose to alienate rather than embrace fans. As an ex-Oiler fan and hater of Bud Adams, I would have no problem cheering FOR the Titans/Oilers and AGAINST the Texans should VY lead the visiting team into Reliant every year. There are plenty of other people who grew up Oilers fans who feel the same way. The Texans haven't been around long enough to garner the loyalty of Luv Ya Blue era Houstonians. Vince grew up in Houston, as did I. The Texans did not. It's as simple as that.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Wordem said:
So you are saying that if the Texans draft Bush, make modest improvements this season, get into the playoffs the following season, win the Super Bowl the following season, and then go 8-8 and miss the 2009 playoffs they'll be doomed because Young has led the Saints to their 3rd consecutive 9-7 season while compiling Pro Bowl stats? True Texans fans won't care what happens with Young or Bush if they don't draft them as long as the team wins. If they have an off year it doesn't mean the franchise is doomed.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Young, if drafted by the Texans won't even start in 2006. They'd be foolish to send another rookie QB onto the field. It will either be Banks or another vet for a year. Yeah, I can see everyone flocking to watch VY hold a clipboard. Good business is looking out for the long term success, not going with the flavor of the month. VY is great. He will be a great QB, but you don't rest the success of your franchise on filling seats because the kid is local. If the Longhorn fans don't want to come to Reliant to root for the Texans because they pass on Young I am sure there will be 100 people ready to take each seat.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Wordem said:
The Cowboys went from 1-15 to a Super Bowl win in 3 years. It is possible in today's parity filled NFL. I don't think it will happen, but it isn't as far fetched as your VY colored glasses think.
dirty steve
Veteran
angeltexus said:Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.
how can you say that? have you ever thought that there is a head coach and an offensive coordinator for a reason? they call the plays, and they decide which players are in there in certain situations. the only reason you are saying bush has no heart is that you are in VY's pants right now.
take an unbiased (i.e.: stop letting the burnt orange blind you) view at the situation and make an assessment from there.
dirty steve
Veteran
Wordem said:
that's comforting because i am sure your name is either Bob McNair, Dan Reeves, Charley Casserly, or (soon to be ) HC Gary Kubiak. i guess they'll confer their opinion with you and then let you make the call to NYC with the pick. if you get lucky, they might let you announce the pick.
Nighthawk
Rookie
TexanBacker93 said:
Nobody disagrees with this. Some believe that Vince Young is the fastest & best way to a long term winner. Even if they believe Bush would be helpful quicker, the idea is that the help Bush will provide will be insufficient, with Carr at the helm, to achieve the long term goal.
Nighthawk
Rookie
TexanBacker93 said:
If Young is drafted he will play in 2006. Maybe not all the time, maybe not starting, but he will be on the field.
Hey--this isn't about Longhorn fans. It's about the Texans and the BPA in the draft. Why don't all you anti-VY guys get a clue and argue your case on the merits?
What makes you think Bush will tear up the NFL in 06? It's silly. He's a small and not all that fast by NFL standards and he jukes around a lot. When there are 6 NFL guys after him all that juking is going to get him thrown down faster than you can imagine. Sometimes I wonder if you guys watch the game at all.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I heard Reggie Bush today on the Dan Patrick show. He said that he thinks he's faster and stronger than LT in SD, but compared his play to Bryant Westbrook with the Eagles. The host (Patrick's fill-in) told him he should aim a little higher than Westbrook. Not hating, just sharing.
Nighthawk said:
EXACTLY. It's about the long term winning. Yes, with Carr and Bush we might go 6-10 next season and win faster if you consider 6-10 winning. However we might only go 7-9 the following season when we realize we are never going to win with Carr. Then guess what? Gee, we need a franchise QB. Oh, you mean we have to wait another 10 years?
The bottom line is, great QB's don't come along that often and when they do how many teams are in a position to draft them? How many great QB's did the Oilers ever have in their 30+ years being in Houston? Let's see...
George Blanda, Warren Moon, and Steve McNair. I count 3. I loved Cody Carlson also but you can't count him.
You know what I think we have in David Carr? Another Dan Pastorini. A guy drafted high that never lived up to his squat but managed to stick around for a long time. And sorry folks, Bush will not carry this team like Campbell did with the Oilers. Even if he did he wouldn't last very long.
texplayer2
Waterboy
Wordem said:
I grew up in Houston, and watched the Oilers and now the Texans are my team, as long as they are trying to win and not just supporting UT'ism. Trying to enforce your will on a Billionaire is quite comical. The only way to do that is get them to move and I have already seen how effective that was in making this a championship city. If McNair and CO. are conVINCEd that Young hung the moon and will win alot. I will be there to watch and give my opinion, if they think Reggie is the answer I will agree with them and still watch and critique. And if we were to trade down for a boatload of players, then...I will still be there rooting for and following each one. This is a game and it is much more fun when you are winning, but you also need to learn how to lose and get right back up.
michaelm
vox nihili
angeltexus said:Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.
The title of your post was 'Remember that look?"
At first I thought you were reffering to the same look VY had during tha A&M game. The guys calling the game were making comments about VY's attitude on the bench...
I'm not against VY by any means, but it is worth saying that he had an almost identical reaction during a game when he was having a rough day...
J-Storm
Waterboy
texplayer2 said:
I totally agree. It doesnt matter if Mortensen or whoever knows whatever they know atm. It's what the FO knows they want to do that I'm worried about. I'm not on the Bush bandwagon or the Young bandwagon (never was). I was always more in favour of the Trade Down bandwagon (still am). But I'll live with any of those 3 options or whatever options the FO chooses as long as it brings more "W's" than "L's"!
Porky said:While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush.
I agree with the general sentiment, but it's also going to take David Carr to step up his game another level or three. My fear with DC is that "it's" not all due to coaching and scheme, or lack of talent around him. I guess we will just have to wait and see. [but I guess the coaching experts just told me to relax and it will be all right, huh?]
If Kubiak and Shanahan can make Mike Anderson (and Ruben Droughns) 1000+ yard rushers, and Terrell Davis (a 6th rounder) a 2000 yard rusher, then why do we need a RB with the first pick overall?
(I know, because he's a potential gamebreaker -- it was a rhetorical question).
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
aj. said:
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
There is no guarantee with any of this and people need to stop putting down the kids and just evaluate. Bush is a good guy from the interviews I have seen and the things I have read. He sat on the sidelines dejected because they were about to lose. VY is a good kid. Stop hatin on them all when it is the hype you hate. There is going to be some good points on both sides. I've been all for taking Bush but there is a fear that he turns into a Metcalf, Westbrook, etc and not a Faulk, LT, etc. You will never know until he puts on the pads. On the other side, there is no logic behind saying we are starting over with VY. There is no rule that states that a guy can't be good within 2 years. Not every QB needs 4 years and a boatload of excuses. It isn't like we are making the playoffs next year so the main goal is to get the system in and improve.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Grid said:
I have never said or implied that. It has always been the value propostion around what we are paying him. I have no problem spending the money on resources that will help him achieve his potential, but then if one person needs that much help we need to look at the highest paid player and think about if we are spending our money in the right places.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Am I the only one who is excited about the Bush, DD backfield combo. Both explosive runners that can catch out of the backfield with AJ and maybe even picking a good #2(Reggie Wayne?). That would be a pretty good offense. Maybe we could even, I know I am wishing, beat the Colts. It is shamefull to be 0-8 againt that team.
Chance_C
All Pro
So you are a Vince Young fan, not a Texan fan? So if he is drafted by the Saints are you gonna root for the Saints? And BTW, I grew up an Oiler fan (albeit as a kid) and I wouldn't dream of rooting for anyone but the Texans. Kinda like when Bum and Earl went to New Orleans. It sucked but I didn't start rooting for the Saints. They did become my "fill in" team for awhile though.
aj. said:
well Droughns ran for 1300 in Cleveland this year, so I don't think it was all scheme with him.
And Portis is a 1400yd back in Washington.
maybe it isnt ALL scheme like its made out to be, they actually have some talented players.
Tatum Bell is a freakin speedster with great moves.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
Chance_C said:
I guess you can only be a fan with the following criteria:
1. They draft exactly who you want and no one else.
2. They post a perfect record every year, and win the SB.
3. You are right, and they are always wrong.
I couldn't imagine what it would be like to lose a hometown pro-team, in the manner in which it happened to Houston. It would be hard for me though to respect any team for doing so.
TEXANRED said:
Nope, I'm stoked, too! Bush will be a player that we can utilize in many different ways, from the backfield to lining up in the slot. With an offensive minded HC like Kubiak, he'll take advantage of matchups and force teams to leave at least one of our playmakers in man coverage. Give Carr longer than a split second in the pocket, and he might have enough time to hit one of these guys.
I see great things happening in our future. I have no problem being excited about the 2006 season, even though we've got so many issues still to resolve.
