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Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.
 
Right after that, the other fella said that Bush won't make much of an impact on our team.
 
Yeah he said that he won't make much of an impact if we don't address the OL just like every other player on offense. I think that is a given.
 
If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.
 
Nawzer said:
If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.
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I think a lot of people don't really understand that concept. They look at the sacks and say that our line is terrible. The talking heads generally don't understand that we have a pretty good run blocking line but that they couldn't pass protect if their lives depended on it.
 
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:
 
I'd like to see Bush getting a little screen pass with Leonard Pope in front of him laying down the lumber and knocking heads off down the field.
 
Porky said:
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:
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I agree. I'd be stoked on the coaching changes alone, let alone the top player in the draft being added to the roster.
 
tulexan said:
Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.
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My gut feeling is this is our future. Kubiak thinks he can do something with Carr, and adding a second (or third if you include DD) playmaker is never a bad thing. Beef up the o-line to afford consistent protection, and the turnaround could be sooner than later.

I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007... :penalty:
 
Double Barrel said:
I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007... :penalty:
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Fangio's gone, so maybe (just maybe) we don't need to (very badly).
 
The reason I think we will keep Carr is because of the similarities between him and Jake Plummer. Both are good running QBs and both can really sell that bootleg playaction pass. Sure Plummer's been more succesful at it, but I think Gary Kubiak had something do with it. I think Kubiak will like to take a shot with Carr and sort of make him our version of Jake Plummer.
 
Double Barrel said:
I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007... :penalty:
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Here is the thing and i think it was addressed here before But I feel the need to reiterate. We cannot have a solid offense AND solid defense within a year. It is too tough to do that. We have holes on both our offense and D. This does not mean we should compleltely ignore one side of the ball, but I think we should focus on one side of the ball at a time. Remember KC might be just offense, but it is a whole lot better then being the Bengals prior to the last couple of seasons.
 
awtysst said:
Here is the thing and i think it was addressed here before But I feel the need to reiterate. We cannot have a solid offense AND solid defense within a year. It is too tough to do that. We have holes on both our offense and D. This does not mean we should compleltely ignore one side of the ball, but I think we should focus on one side of the ball at a time. Remember KC might be just offense, but it is a whole lot better then being the Bengals prior to the last couple of seasons.
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yep, I agree. Both units are way below average, so first things first. Get the offensive team on the same page, under an offensive minded head coach, and give them a year to play together. Address the defense in 2007.

We've only got so many choices, so some areas will not be fully addressed in one off-season.
 
Nawzer said:
If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.
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Yeah, so the rookie RB wont struggle? WHo is to say that Bush will be better then DD? The worst thing that can happen to this team is for Bush to be given the start when we have a proven and respected NFL RB in place. From what I have seen of Bush he is a niece guy and a hard worker, but I think the last thing we need is "the next big thing" coming in and being given the spot over DD, he should have to earn it like everyone else.

PS- our line really is that bad. Can you honestly tell me that when its 3rd and 9, you honestly beleive Carr will have the time? Football is a team sport, it requries a lot of trust in your teammates, how is Carr supposed to trust this O-line, which has failed him over 200 times?
 
I don't think we are going to have a starter next year at RB next year. Some games Reggie will start, some games Domanick will start. It will have nothing to do with who earns it or who doesn't, it will do with what the play is and who will give us the best opportunity to successfully complete that play.
 
basically i have to agree with mortenson...carr is our best option...i know VY is an out-standing player...i enjoy watching him play every week except when he plays us(tx tech)...you simply can't say enough about VY...his leadership...his ability...he's just special...but so is reggie bush...and i think what this boils down to his us(the fans) backing whoever we end up with...if it is reggie we can't hold VY over his head...if we trade down and pick up d'brick or hawk or mario williams you can't hold VY over their heads...be happy that we'll have a head coach with some freaking football sense and enjoy this upcoming year...because i just have a gut feeling that it's going to be a good...9-7
 
HJam72 said:
Fangio's gone, so maybe (just maybe) we don't need to (very badly).
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THAT is a very good point HJam. Our guys up front are at least average NFL lineman, the backers are close to it and one CB is outstanding. Will we be the Bears defense....hardly, but we MIGHT be able to approch NFL average in 06 with a new DC and some solid schemes. If we get the improvement in the offense that I think may be coming and we get the defense to a rank of from 15-20th, we should be fairly happy with the results.
 
edo783 said:
THAT is a very good point HJam. Our guys up front are at least average NFL lineman, the backers are close to it and one CB is outstanding. Will we be the Bears defense....hardly, but we MIGHT be able to approch NFL average in 06 with a new DC and some solid schemes. If we get the improvement in the offense that I think may be coming and we get the defense to a rank of from 15-20th, we should be fairly happy with the results.
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I have in the past and do agree with this assessment. To stay on topic I do not have a problem with Bush or Carr being here, I just think we can go a different avenue to achieve short and long term success.
 
run-david-run said:
PS- our line really is that bad. Can you honestly tell me that when its 3rd and 9, you honestly beleive Carr will have the time? Football is a team sport, it requries a lot of trust in your teammates, how is Carr supposed to trust this O-line, which has failed him over 200 times?
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Actually it's really NOT that bad imo. A good pass blocking line? No. But not as bad as many make it out to be. A few points. First, if we add a weapon like Bush, maybe, just maybe, defenses will be more reticent to blitz as often as they do now. That will give Carr more time. Maybe there is more to pass blocking than the 5 lineman. Maybe, just maybe a QB who just once would burn a blitz would tend to slow the rush down. How many times has Carr burnt the blitz? Maybe a RB who could chip on a pass rusher would help. Maybe a great blocking TE next to the tackles would help. Maybe better coaching than the Jr. High line coaches we have had would help. Hey, how about a real NFL scheme, insstead of pee wee league?:brickwall
 
When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?
 
tulexan said:
Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.
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Anybody but me think Mortensen seems to have a dog in this fight? He's been selling the same pro-Carr stuff all along, so you have to figure people with the team are really telling him stuff they're not telling anybody else, or he's got his donkey to ride. You make the call . . .
 
run-david-run said:
When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?
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First, it's true that Carr wasn't allowed to audible to pass plays or change them, which is stupid. Secondly, the safeties stay in and AJ is always double covered because they know they will get a pass rush and that we don't use (have?) a legitimate #2 receiver.
 
Nighthawk said:
Anybody but me think Mortensen seems to have a dog in this fight? He's been selling the same pro-Carr stuff all along, so you have to figure people with the team are really telling him stuff they're not telling anybody else, or he's got his donkey to ride. You make the call . . .
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I think it's about credibility. He thinks he knows what's going to happen, so he makes bold, strong statements about what his "sources" have told him while his co-workers and competitors are trying to make this into a more interesting horserace. When he's right about the Texans' pick (it's not exactly like he's going out on a limb about the Texans picking Reggie Bush) - he's solidified his credibility as a scoopster.

JMO.
 
Richard Justice is also dismissing Chris Mortensen's "definitive" scoop. He's a little more descriptive than John McClain was last week:

Memo to NFL reporters: You're being led astray, boys. That source you've got with the Texans isn't in charge. Stop listening to him.

The Texans may very well make Reggie Bush the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft. But that certain person you're listening to won't be doing the picking.
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http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/
 
Porky said:
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:
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Well stated, this is my stance as well. It'd suck to have to play VY twice a year....but guess what? It'd suck to play Bush twice a year too. I'm happy if we choose Young, I'm happy if we choose Bush, and I'm happy if we rob some unsuspecting team in a big trade down. Can anyone remember the last time the 1st pick in the draft had this high of a level of talent to choose from? Usually the 1st choice is unanimous for some quarterback, this year there're three players who could of easily gone number 1 in other drafts.
 
Nawzer said:
The reason I think we will keep Carr is because of the similarities between him and Jake Plummer. Both are good running QBs and both can really sell that bootleg playaction pass. Sure Plummer's been more succesful at it, but I think Gary Kubiak had something do with it. I think Kubiak will like to take a shot with Carr and sort of make him our version of Jake Plummer.
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That would be a sad thing if the best Carr will ever do is be a not so good version of plummer our franchise QB. i guess im selfish for wanting greatness from a QB.
 
I think Mortensen is full of it sometimes. He was pretty sure that the Texans were buying out Jeff Fischers contract too. His sources don't know all. We have three months of this. One thing I do know is that Bush and VY are studs and I think both are good guys and quality players for this team. After workouts you can see how many teams get the urge to send a boatload of picks your way too. It is nothing but a win/win unless Charlie gets to make the picks..:)
 
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?
 
tulexan said:
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?
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Maybe they just wanted to see how a guy could break down film of a potential player, simple as that. If they see things later they can change their mind. There are months to go.
 
tulexan said:
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?
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Casserly addressed this in his press briefing.

Also, who is lying - and about what?
 
tulexan said:
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?
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I still haven't seen a source yet on that rumor. If I'm wrong, I'd love to see the article for myself. Last I heard, it came from Jay Glazer....the same guy who was commentator for PRIDE Fighting Championship on FSN.
 
I just think it is funny how all of these people (Bob Glauber, Woody Paige, Jay Glazer, Chris Mortensen, Michael Smith) all say that the Texans have gone to talent evaluators around the league and all agree that Carr should be the guy next year and that they will in all likelihood pick Reggie Bush, but they are wrong because Richard Justice and John McClain say so. Talk about two people who have a dog in the fight. Face it, Vince is not coming here. We don't need a QB and we are not going to pick him.
 
tulexan said:
Yeah he said that he won't make much of an impact if we don't address the OL just like every other player on offense. I think that is a given.
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It makes so much sense it's hard to believe they won't want the best o-lineman prospect in the draft. I'm sure last year they were looking ahead to this draft so they could finally build a mammoth line and hoped somehow they could patch together some resemblance of pass blocking. Well it failed miserably, cost Capers his job, and now they're going to pass on that for a new shiny playmaker? I saw some clips earlier of real time pass rushes from what looked like a QB cam. I mean Carr was literally getting swiped at before his three step drop was over. It would be essentially impossible for anybody to lead an offense with the blocking we've had and NFL defenses are so fast most people can't really understand what Carr has been through. If they think bringing in Reggie and not D'brick+picks is what is best for this team after everything they've been through, I will be a little shocked. It better be a big smokescreen.
 
tulexan said:
I just think it is funny how all of these people (Bob Glauber, Woody Paige, Jay Glazer, Chris Mortensen, Michael Smith) all say that the Texans have gone to talent evaluators around the league and all agree that Carr should be the guy next year and that they will in all likelihood pick Reggie Bush, but they are wrong because Richard Justice and John McClain say so. Talk about two people who have a dog in the fight. Face it, Vince is not coming here. We don't need a QB and we are not going to pick him.
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Seems to me like it's a case of the local media saying not to believe the national media. Just depends if you want to believe the local media....
 
run-david-run said:
When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?
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This from the front page of the Texan's website
Casserly is well aware of the public fervor, both locally and nationally, regarding the Texans’ decision. The talk generally has centered around Bush and Young as the top-two options. While Bush was the talk of the town a few weeks ago, a large contingent of fans has had a change of heart since Young’s performance in the Rose Bowl.

“Vince Young is a local hero, a great player at Madison High School, a great player at the University of Texas and he’s certainly a terrific pro prospect,” Casserly said. “He is a very talented quarterback. He can run and he can throw. If he ends up here, then he’s certainly an outstanding pro prospect.”

I dont believe everything that Mort says, Kubiak might be saying one thing, but Uncle Charlie has look see what draft pick will have an imapct on the seats filing up in Reliant.
 
coreyvice said:
Seems to me like it's a case of the local media saying not to believe the national media. Just depends if you want to believe the local media....
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Well the local media is unbelievably biased so I do not believe them. What does the national media have to gain by saying that David Carr is good and that the Texans will pick Reggie Bush? Nothing. What does the local media have to gain by saying that the national media is lying? Everything, because they want Vince to come here.
 
tulexan said:
Well the local media is unbelievably biased so I do not believe them. What does the national media have to gain by saying that David Carr is good and that the Texans will pick Reggie Bush? Nothing. What does the local media have to gain by saying that the national media is lying? Everything, because they want Vince to come here.
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First, while it's true that local media can be homers, they tend to have better local sources because they have the ability and the time to cultivate relationships with a much smaller group of people.

Second, no one said Mort was lying. Saying that some sources are weaker than others doesn't translate into calling the reporter using that source a liar.

ETA: there's a reason why Mark Berman is usually the one to break the big stories in Houston and not someone at ESPN.
 
tulexan said:
Well the local media is unbelievably biased so I do not believe them. What does the national media have to gain by saying that David Carr is good and that the Texans will pick Reggie Bush? Nothing. What does the local media have to gain by saying that the national media is lying? Everything, because they want Vince to come here.
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Maybe so, but what I'm getting from McClain and Justice is that the Texans don't know if they'll take him or Bush. I agree that they're pro-VY, but they've backed off a little lately (the past couple of days.) The important thing I'm getting from these guys lately is that Casserly is on his way out.

Personally, I think I speak for more people than myself when I say I'll support any decision the front office makes. I'll support it a lot more if Reeves and Kubiak are the guys who actually make the decision.
 
tulexan said:
I just think it is funny how all of these people (Bob Glauber, Woody Paige, Jay Glazer, Chris Mortensen, Michael Smith) all say that the Texans have gone to talent evaluators around the league and all agree that Carr should be the guy next year and that they will in all likelihood pick Reggie Bush, but they are wrong because Richard Justice and John McClain say so. Talk about two people who have a dog in the fight. Face it, Vince is not coming here. We don't need a QB and we are not going to pick him.
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I clearly remember talking about empty seats during the middle of the year. I would love to get a boat load of draft picks from another team, but like all sports its about the MONEY!! UT has much off it sitting in that tower who are already filling their private jets headed for Houston. We might not need another quarterback but we sure need Primetime games and National attention and only Young will have us spending big on Texan seats and merchandise. A Texan Young jersey would be easily the hottest item next year with PS3 right behind it.:drool:
 
I know some above mentioned the O-line but I just don't see how using one of the top picks, hopefully the last one you will have this high, on an O-lineman will be worth it when you can get quality guys with the other 3 picks in the top 66. Plus if we have Kubiak, their lineman are smaller and more mobile and Denver stock piled in the later rounds. They have one first rounder that was further down and the rest are 4th and 7th rounders..one an undrafted FA rookie.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep, I agree. Both units are way below average, so first things first. Get the offensive team on the same page, under an offensive minded head coach, and give them a year to play together. Address the defense in 2007.

We've only got so many choices, so some areas will not be fully addressed in one off-season.
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I really don't think that's a bad plan of attack. If we get a very good DC we might very well see vast improvement in our defense. Just look at what Williams was able to do with the Washington defense. They are among one of the top units in the league, and your average NFL fan couldn't name one of their starting D-Lineman. Also it's important to keep in mind that the better the offense is then the less time the defense is on the field. With Davis and, in this scenario, Bush we'd be able to hold on to the ball and run it effectively. Limiting the oponents oppurtunities to score points is one of the best defenses of all.
 
angeltexus said:
I clearly remember talking about empty seats during the middle of the year. I would love to get a boat load of draft picks from another team, but like all sports its about the MONEY!! UT has much off it sitting in that tower who are already filling their private jets headed for Houston. We might not need another quarterback but we sure need Primetime games and National attention and only Young will have us spending big on Texan seats and merchandise. A Texan Young jersey would be easily the hottest item next year with PS3 right behind it.:drool:
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A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will. Remember, Roger Clemens wasn't selling out games in the beginning and middle of the season last year when they were bad.

And Reggie Bush will be just as big, if not bigger on a national level than Vince Young.
 
tulexan said:
A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will. Remember, Roger Clemens wasn't selling out games in the beginning and middle of the season last year when they were bad.

And Reggie Bush will be just as big, if not bigger on a national level than Vince Young.
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Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.:redtowel:
 
tulexan said:
A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will. Remember, Roger Clemens wasn't selling out games in the beginning and middle of the season last year when they were bad.

And Reggie Bush will be just as big, if not bigger on a national level than Vince Young.
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Well, we are not winning with Carr so I don't see the argument. A running back can only do so much. Anyone remember Corey Dillon in Cincy? Wasn't he breaking records up there but the team still sucked? The Bengals didn't turn it around until they put a leader on the field behind center, enter Carson Palmer.
 
angeltexus said:
Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.:redtowel:
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What? Did you just make that up?? No heart??? Like TO???? The guy already has two national titles. Because he didn't get an unprecedented third, he has no heart? Laughable.
 
pskinny said:
What? Did you just make that up?? No heart??? Like TO???? The guy already has two national titles. Because he didn't get an unprecedented third, he has no heart? Laughable.
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One and a half titles. LSU won the BCS Championship game in 2003.
 
The more I read - the more realizations I am having. First, I am begining to think that some of the people screaming for VY are becoming a tad delusional. They are so tightly wrapped they aren't thinking straight. They aren't putting the team first - they are putting their personal preferences first. Second, these people think that a local marketing "icon" is going to win football games. Last time I checked, games weren't won from the bench or from behind a clipboard. Third, John McClain is a total hoser *****. Not one legitmate reason does he offer for his "convincing" evidence that the Texans will draft VY. Believe me - he would be the FIRST to turn on VY when things go south.

I just don't understand why these folks can't see straight that taking VY will hamper the future of this franchise more than help it. There was a good editorial in the Chronicle today where the writer said that Reggie Bush will make us better faster than it would take VY to finally get on the field. They're right. For all the crap being flung at Carr for a crappy season, these folks sure are quick to give VY a pass and say that three or more bad seasons won't matter because Vince the Saviour is riding the pine! It matters to me - as a season ticket holder and a true Texan fan - I want to win NOW with the best players (that's plural - it takes more than one player to make a team).

One thing everyone needs to realize. WINNING GAMES WILL PUT FANS IN THE SEATS!!! That is done sooner by putting the best players available on the field - the players that can have an impact now - not in 2007, 2008, or on and on. Foxsports hits it here: "The first pick is not for taking gambles. Vince Young, at this stage of his development, is a gamble. The upside is there, and it is tremendous, but so is the risk that the Texans would be right back here five years from now — watching the David Carr-led Raiders challenge the Reggie Bush-led Saints in Super Bowl XLV while trying to decide whom they should take with the top pick to replace Vince Young."

My :twocents:
 
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