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More Draft hype about Saquon Barkley than any back since Reggie Bush

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Dave Gettleman undoubtedly grasps how significant this spring is for the Giants organization, but it was still an experience on Thursday to sit in an auditorium with the general manager and get a true feel of just how much pressure there is on him to get this next week right.

Gettleman must hit big with the No. 2 overall draft pick he holds in next Thursday’s first round — “when you’re picking this high, if you make a mistake, you’re done.” He still hasn’t re-signed, or promised not to trade, his best player, Odell Beckham Jr. — “I’m not going to say. He’s on our team, he’s a valued member of our football team.”

He’s taking a big risk in believing that Eli Manning has a lot left in the tank — “Eli takes great care of himself, he’s very fit and he still has plenty of arm.” And he can’t discuss any of it without having to stop midway through his press conference in East Rutherford to admit that, yes, he had just released six-time Pro Bowl receiver Brandon Marshall before he walked in — “yes, we have.”
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...sounds-draft-saquon-barkley-article-1.3944462
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Will there be some fool who drafts the Penn State star with a top 5 pick ?
 
If I'm Cleveland, absolutely. I think the Giants will take him at #2 if the Browns go QB instead. If I looked at both Taylor and Manning for 2018....in all seriousness, Taylor's the one with more in the tank in my opinion. Since the Brown's are very content with Taylor being the starting QB, I'd get this guy some weapons so I could optimize his chances for success.

Look at what a full season of Elliott did for Prescott and the Cowboys versus last season when he was relegated to almost a half season as a no-show....Dallas was a no-show last season as well.

Since the Brown's possess the 1st pick of RD2, selecting Rudolph with that pick will give them their QB who could take a season and be groomed properly. I'd like the chances of Barkley being a big factor in Taylor and the Browns offensive success in 2018. I'm in the camp that thinks Rudolph could be as good as any of the QB's taken in RD1.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Look at what a full season of Elliott did for Prescott and the Cowboys versus last season when he was relegated to almost a half season as a no-show....Dallas was a no-show last season as well.

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I'm sorry OT but that's too simplistic IMO.
Didn't a third round pick by the name of Demarco Murray have a better year with Dallas ? See good backs can be had in mid-rounds or even later.
I say use those real high Draft picks on players with more positional value.
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm sorry OT but that's too simplistic IMO.
Didn't a third round pick by the name of Demarco Murray have a better year with Dallas ? See good backs can be had in mid-rounds or even later.
I say use those real high Draft picks on players with more positional value.
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I'm generally agree on top 5, but you treat RBs as far too fungible. Top 10 rushers last season were 5 1sts, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th & 1 UDFA. There are not franchise backs laces liberally throughout the draft. There are a few diamonds, generally with warts, who get past the 3rd.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm generally agree on top 5, but you treat RBs as far too fungible. Top 10 rushers last season were 5 1sts, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 5th & 1 UDFA. There are not franchise backs laces liberally throughout the draft. There are a few diamonds, generally with warts, who get past the 3rd.
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But Fournett & Elliot are the only top 5 or even top 10 in that group, right ?
You betcha fungible works for me. I'd use two picks with neither being above a mid-rounder and draft two backs instead of drafting one real high.
With a top pick in this Draft and with any need now in the not too distant future for a QB any team is nutz IMO to take a back and not one of these QBs
But seeing where Barkly goes in the Draft will be another interesting subplot next week.
 
I wouldn’t take him. This draft is loaded with talented RBs. He’s dam good but RBs just don’t last long enough to spend top five picks on. Especially if I’m Cleveland. I’m drafting the top QB with my first pick and my 4th pick. Call me crazy but the best one starts and the other becomes trade bait next year.
 
mussop said:
I wouldn’t take him. This draft is loaded with talented RBs. He’s dam good but RBs just don’t last long enough to spend top five picks on. Especially if I’m Cleveland. I’m drafting the top QB with my first pick and my 4th pick. Call me crazy but the best one starts and the other becomes trade bait next year.
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Supposedly they are considering that.

My bet is they end up QB & Chubb. Will be interesting.

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But Fournett & Elliot are the only top 5 or even top 10 in that group, right ?
You betcha fungible works for me. I'd use two picks with neither being above a mid-rounder and draft two backs instead of drafting one real high.
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Still with a false dichotomy. It's not top 10 v. 4th+. There's a lot of territory in between. In fact the best territory for getting a RB.
 
I would not take two qbs in the top 5.

It’s different if you take a guy later say like in the third. You could get get return on the investment if they sit for a while and play well in spots.

But if you take a guy that early and have a qb comp and he losses, his value immediately goes down. Let a lone if in his limited snaps he doesn’t look all that great.

The chance of getting return for that guy that is even equivalent to a top 5 pick is slim to none.
 
I guess it depends on how soon the Browns want to be relevant (5 -9wins). This season, then I take Saquan at one and a QB at four. With what they have and what else they will get in the draft should get them to that level. If they are more measured in their thinking, then Darnold or Allen and then Chub at four if he is there if not, then that really good lineman that is listed so h high. One way probably generates wins sooner, but may not be able to sustain it.
 
edo783 said:
I guess it depends on how soon the Browns want to be relevant (5 -9wins). This season, then I take Saquan at one and a QB at four. With what they have and what else they will get in the draft should get them to that level. If they are more measured in their thinking, then Darnold or Allen and then Chub at four if he is there if not, then that really good lineman that is listed so h high. One way probably generates wins sooner, but may not be able to sustain it.
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If they take whatever QB they want at #1 then one or both of Chubb and Barkley will be there at #4.
 
infantrycak said:
If they take whatever QB they want at #1 then one or both of Chubb and Barkley will be there at #4.
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Lotta folks believe the new Browns GM John Dorsey will take Josh Allen #1 for the same reason he took MaHomes over Watson in last years Draft when he was the Chiefs GM because Allen, who is not the most NFL ready, does have the highest ceiling and his arm is off the charts.
I will be stunned if this cagey NFL vet-GM drafts the back with his second top 5 pick but wow would it be a crowd fav in Cleveland and putting butts in the seats
is a top priority for any NFL franchise and nothing does it like when a GM drafts "Mr Touchdown".
 
I guess some feel that if the Browns take Barkley with the #1 overall, they will have completely screwed the unspoken rules of how the draft works. So the Browns pass, take one of the QB's and he spends his first season behind Taylor.

The Giants on the other hand, who have the #2 pick, decide to get Manning the most dominate back coming into the NFL as a weapon. The Giants pick is hailed as brilliant while everyone keeps stammering for the words to describe how much Barkley will mean to Manning and the Giants offense. He's a Day 1 impact player who provides Manning a much needed weapon that allows the passing game to elevate.

This unwritten protocol is the same crap the Texans found themselves in when they couldn't trade out of the first pick and took Clowney b/c he was considered a freak of nature athlete. He was a tweener who faced the same re-education as Mercilus did...which meant, a college DE being transformed into an OLB and a process that took 2 seasons to yield results. Texans could've drafted Khalil Mack who was already a dominant OLB and with hindsight being 20/20, would've been the better pick for the team and the fact that Clowney didn't begin his delivery until his 3rd season. If the Texans had selected Mack with the 1st pick...every NFL analyst would've lost their collective minds b/c that's not how the NFL Draft works....according to the unwritten rules.
 
RB's are generally only as good as their Oline. I'd much rather invest high draft picks and large sums of money into the Oline which protects the running game and the passing game. A lot of teams do really well with committees as well. No way I'm using a top 5 pick on a RB. You can have him.
 
I agree with RBs coming from anywhere in the draft and typically I grade most top 10 RBs out of the 1st round due to this. Saquon is different, his size, his quick feet, his speed, his hands, his athleticism. Best RB prospect ever. Zeke was worth a 1st round pick, Saquon is worth a #1 overall pick. Can't compare Saquon to Fournette, Gurley or other recent top 10 RB picks. Saquon as a prospect is head and shoulders better in virtually every way. There is absolutely no consensus on a top QB in the draft, Cleveland needs to let Giants and Jets roll the dice and then get the one with a chip on the shoulder. **** what everyone thinks they should do, get the best RB prospect of all time, then take your QB.
 
JB said:
that's a bold statement
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Yes it is, of course this declaration is just based since the 90s, not much info available to make comparisons before then.

I think Jim Brown and Bo Jackson if he only played football are only comparisons
 
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gs27 said:
Yes it is, of course this declaration is just based since the 90s, not much info available to make comparisons before then.

I think Jim Brown and Bo Jackson if he only played football are only comparisons
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since the 90's is far different from all-time... and you don't think Earl or Barry or even Adrian would be in the conversation?
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JB said:
since the 90's is far different from all-time... and you don't think Earl or Barry or even Adrian would be in the conversation?
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From a size, speed and ability to do it all comparisons, no. Barry Sanders had a unique skill set but as a prospect I don't think many would have predicted what was coming. Brown, Jackson and Saquon are the fastest men on the field at 230 lbs, combined with quick feet and great abililities to make plays as a receiver. Peterson coming out of Oklahoma was a stud, but no comparison to Barkley across the board.
 
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From a size, speed and ability to do it all comparisons, no. Barry Sanders had a unique skill set but as a prospect I don't think many would have predicted what was coming. Brown, Jackson and Saquon are the fastest men on the field at 230 lbs, combined with quick feet and great abililities to make plays as a receiver. Peterson coming out of Oklahoma was a stud, but no comparison to Barkley across the board.
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to each their own
 
San Fran undrafted FA Matt Breida with 101 yrds on 17 carrys @ 5.9 yards a play outplayed 2nd overall pick Saquon Barkley last night.
 
IDEXAN said:
San Fran undrafted FA Matt Breida with 101 yrds on 17 carrys @ 5.9 yards a play outplayed 2nd overall pick Saquon Barkley last night.
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So, would you put the Texans running game in the hands of Breida or Barkley if the choice was yours to make?
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
So, would you put the Texans running game in the hands of Breida or Barkley if the choice was yours to make?
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All things being equal of course I'd choose Barkley over the undrafted guy, but invest the #2 overall of the 2018 NFL Draft in Barkley - what a gigantic mistake by the Giants.
 
IDEXAN said:
All things being equal of course I'd choose Barkley over the undrafted guy, but invest the #2 overall of the 2018 NFL Draft in Barkley - what a gigantic mistake by the Giants.
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Why does it have to be a gigantic mistake though?
 
IDEXAN said:
All things being equal of course I'd choose Barkley over the undrafted guy, but invest the #2 overall of the 2018 NFL Draft in Barkley - what a gigantic mistake by the Giants.
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If the Giants OL had panned out this season, Barkley could have been a much bigger and more productive cog in the Giants offense. As for why they invested in Barkley.....ever wonder where the Rams might be this season without Gurley?
 
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If the Giants OL had panned out this season, Barkley could have been a much bigger and more productive cog in the Giants offense. As for why they invested in Barkley.....ever wonder where the Rams might be this season without Gurley?
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Gurley was a #10 pick in his Draft not even close to top 5.
The problem for the Giants is the opportunity cost which is they passed up an opportunity to draft their new franchise QB because Eli's career is in the rear-view mirror.
 
IDEXAN said:
Gurley was a #10 pick in his Draft not even close to top 5.
The problem for the Giants is the opportunity cost which is they passed up an opportunity to draft their new franchise QB because Eli's career is in the rear-view mirror.
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NYG management didn't agree with you. They thought they could get one more year out of Eli, and backs like Barkley come along rarely
 
JB said:
NYG management didn't agree with you. They thought they could get one more year out of Eli, and backs like Barkley come along rarely
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Of course they didn't agree considering the direction they went. Doesn't mean they were right.

And backs like Barkley happen more often than we probably realize. Conner, Kamara and Hunt in the 3rd. Breida and Lindsay UDFA. Hell, we had our own stud UDFA right here. QBs are a lot harder to find.
 
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