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Mock Draft 2.0 Discussion

beerlover

beerlover

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don't know about the rest of you but I need an outlet to discuss our MOCK II draft. So far I think everyone has done a great job with their selections, elso of note the number of trades (@ fair value) so far which I think fairly reflect what is really going to transpire draft day. also something I've never experienced before to this high level of anxiety is the pressure of waiting for your time to pick while your #1 guy is still on the board. it has really helped me understand why the Texans gave up so much last year to trade up for Babin, they where unwilling to take the chance & wait & folded under the pressure to get their man. can't blame them at all, until your in that position its hard to explain. anyways great job so far, hope to get more feedback as we go along :listening :wacko:
 
Right now the only players getting picked are the confirmed 1st round picks, I think the real action and suprises will come in the second and later rounds. :thumbup
 
I was torn between Edwards, Rolle, and Pac-Man...It was easy to dismiss Edwards because the Titans still have Drew Bennett (I hate that guy) and Tyrone Calico, who should have a good season after being injured last year...

The choice between Antrel and Pac-Man was rather difficult for me, as the Titans already have a bigger CB in Andre Woolfolk...In the end, I chose Antrel because I feel he will be more of a playmaker in the NFL...While he doesn't have the best 40, he is physical and adept at jamming his man at the line...I'd like to get some opinions of who yall would pick if you were in my (or the Titans') shoes...
 
I think its interesting that everybody said this would be a shallow draft, and everyone would be trying to trade down...but as a GM with only one pressing need, im finding it impossible to trade UP, especially with the stupid value chart telling people my picks are worthless....this is much more challenging then i would have thought, and i havent even picked yet :hmmm:
 
D-ReK said:
I was torn between Edwards, Rolle, and Pac-Man...It was easy to dismiss Edwards because the Titans still have Drew Bennett (I hate that guy) and Tyrone Calico, who should have a good season after being injured last year...

The choice between Antrel and Pac-Man was rather difficult for me, as the Titans already have a bigger CB in Andre Woolfolk...In the end, I chose Antrel because I feel he will be more of a playmaker in the NFL...While he doesn't have the best 40, he is physical and adept at jamming his man at the line...I'd like to get some opinions of who yall would pick if you were in my (or the Titans') shoes...
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I think out of the cornerback options, that high up antrel is definitely the SAFE pick.....probably the right one too...Im more of the gambling type, so i would have taken a shot at pac man, because i think he will be phenominal...jmo
 
swtbound07 said:
I think its interesting that everybody said this would be a shallow draft, and everyone would be trying to trade down...but as a GM with only one pressing need, im finding it impossible to trade UP, especially with the stupid value chart telling people my picks are worthless....this is much more challenging then i would have thought, and i havent even picked yet :hmmm:
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Me as the 49ers,

I find that the 49'ers are hurting all around the board. By giving up one awesome pick, I choose to go with 3-4 picks of a good nature. This way, I can fill more voids and might even find a diamond in a second price.
 
the most surprising development so far is that Alex Smith is still on the board, with the 49er's trading down I guess thats not too shocking, I wonder if Dime is going through the same feelings I experienced?
 
Well....im pretty much expecting the next pick to be the redskins taking pac man.....this is going much faster than i expected though. I like the cadillac pick fiddy.....not sure marcell shipp would, but with warner you can afford to take a qb next year, or maybe go after a later round proposition.....nice choices by everyone so far
 
They've got a very good chance. It doesn't appear that either of the teams picking ahead of them are looking for a QB. Unless someone trades up to snag him then he could very well fall to the 49ers.
 
swtbound07 said:
Well....im pretty much expecting the next pick to be the redskins taking pac man.....this is going much faster than i expected though. I like the cadillac pick fiddy.....not sure marcell shipp would, but with warner you can afford to take a qb next year, or maybe go after a later round proposition.....nice choices by everyone so far
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Hey look...im psychic :thumbup
 
It was pretty obvious after losing Smoot that they would go CB...They need one almost as bad as the Titans do...
 
swtbound07 said:
well...the redskins arent exactly in QB heaven, but they have bigger needs
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I think Ramsey will be fine once he gets a chance. They could use a young QB, but I'd expect them to address that need later in the draft with the likes of Frye, Fitzpatrick, or Green.
 
this whole issue of where does Derrick go was reaffirmed in MOCK II as Cowboy GM Hottodie traded up to get in front of the Titans & Vikings to secure Johnson. also it looks like the Texans are loading up with f/a LB's so they clearly are looking elsewhere with the 13th pick. all eyes will soon be upon SESupergenius :whew
 
beerlover said:
the most surprising development so far is that Alex Smith is still on the board, with the 49er's trading down I guess thats not too shocking, I wonder if Dime is going through the same feelings I experienced?
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I was going to take him when the Dolphins GM missed his pick. Sometimes when I look at this mock and really think about what may really happen I think that he would have been the wiser choice, but I feel real good about Ronnie Brown's talent level.
 
How about if it is a player that is already established as being "on the trading block" such as Patrick Surtain, J. Abraham, Michael Bennett, Edgerin James, S. Alexander, Rod Gardner, Donovin Darius, Jamie Sharper, etc.
 
great job Dime, you exacuted your plan to perfection, picked up extra picks, avoided the big 1st pick contract and got your man Alex Smith. if the 49ers could do as good of job they would be spinning cartwheels off the Golden Gate Bridge :thumbup
 
beerlover said:
great job Dime, you exacuted your plan to perfection, picked up extra picks, avoided the big 1st pick contract and got your man Alex Smith. if the 49ers could do as good of job they would be spinning cartwheels off the Golden Gate Bridge :thumbup
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Thank you ... I thought the Dolphins would pass for a great RB, but I didnt think it would make it that far. But when it started coming down, I was sweating it BIG TIME with the Cards pick. Hehe.. I even offered another trade down to the Texans (#13), but never heard anything since the Chargers dont need a QB and David Carr would have a cow if he was picked up. I was to afraid the Panthers would pick him up though, so I took it here. :whew
 
Well played, Dime :thumbup ...I was hoping DJ would fall to me at 6, but *sigh* he was taken one before my pick...
 
How does everyone feel about the Shaun Cody pick? I think if we were targeting him specifically, we could trade down and get him...If we were looking D-Line, I would think we would take Spears...SES said he had a master plan, though, so I'm willing to wait until after the draft ends to fully evaluate...
 
I agree lets be nice & wait to see his master plan unfold :confused: frankly given this scenero I'd be all for trading down & taking Baas :thumbup
 
D-ReK said:
How does everyone feel about the Shaun Cody pick?
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I like Cody a lot. At 6'4" 293 (with room to grow) he's got enough size to play on the 34 line. The Supergenius doesn't think that Cody is a "freak" athlete. But from watching him play, I expect Shaun to have the best workout numbers (pro day on 3/23) of any DT in this draft. I think Cody could come in and play on passing downs immediatly and work into a starting job in a year or 2. Like any other player taken at #13. The other players I would have considered at #13 from this mock draft would be FSU's DT Travis Johnson, LSU's DE Marcus Spears, & OU's Tackle Jammal Brown.
 
D-ReK said:
How does everyone feel about the Shaun Cody pick? I think if we were targeting him specifically, we could trade down and get him...If we were looking D-Line, I would think we would take Spears...SES said he had a master plan, though, so I'm willing to wait until after the draft ends to fully evaluate...
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I think that getting Cody in the first round is a great pickup. However, I think that he is more a 20-30 range pick. I'm sure that SES did the best he could. Most of the big name talent was off the board when it dropped to him.
 
D-ReK said:
How does everyone feel about the Shaun Cody pick? I think if we were targeting him specifically, we could trade down and get him.
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Teams don't trade down for one player. If they like a guy they just take him. Only draftniks get all worked up over slotting when it comes to this kind of a deal. If you have a group of players you like, then you trade down. One guy? Too much chance someone else likes him too so you just pull the trigger and take the guy you like. Trading down to save money on draft slots is a worthless strategy if you fail to land the guy you want.
 
I would say drafting at the 11-16 range is probably the toughest because the talent level starts leveling out more. I would say after the 16th pick then the talent is just a pick as you chose scenario where most of the athletes are pretty equally graded. I liked Spears a lot, but he just didn't have the strength to impress me enough for the 13th pick. I like Travis Johnson as well, but I liked Cody a little more because of his versatility. I will say this, I had a few players that I was specifically targeting and would have only traded up for 2, B. Edwards and DJ, but felt that this years 2nd rounders are too much to give up for 1 guy because some of our olders guys will need to be replaced in the next 2 years.

As for trading down, I just couldn't risk it because of how the 1st round picks were going, they were all over the board.
 
The two d linemen that projsct to the 3-4 the best are Spears and Cody. While Spears has the athletic ability, Cody has more versitility and would most likely be a bigger success faster since he is use to taking on guards and tackles from his time as a DT. Not to mention the fact that he has been a full time starter on a two time national championship defense :thumbup .
 
Vinny said:
Teams don't trade down for one player. If they like a guy they just take him. Only draftniks get all worked up over slotting when it comes to this kind of a deal. If you have a group of players you like, then you trade down. One guy? Too much chance someone else likes him too so you just pull the trigger and take the guy you like. Trading down to save money on draft slots is a worthless strategy if you fail to land the guy you want.
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I agree with this to a point. One of the things you do as a GM is trying to make your best guess which team will take what. Basing that one needs and the team, 75% percent (Not close to 100% mind you), you could forsee who will be taken and make estimates if you can pick up extra picks, but still be in the running for a person. If your 'guy' is taken, that gives only more reason to change down more, or investigate the next teir of player to fulfill your need.

As I had stated in a earier not, I was at #11 but tried to move down to #13 because there was only a 5% chance in my mind the Chargers or Texans would pick up Alex Smith (in my mind). Chargers with two #1 QB's wouldnt make since for another, and David Carr would blow a gasket (not to mention, he still has the faith of the team). Panthers could have worked with Alex Smith, so since nothing could be reached with the Texans. I took Alex's.

BTW, As I said before, I didnt think Alex would make it past the Cards. So Even if you have that %75 forsee, the other 25% is pure luck. Just my thoughts..
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
Good pick Coldsteelblue. I honestly believe Justin Miller is the best CB in this year's draft.
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Thanks. If Rogers or Rolle would have been there, I would have had a a hard choice. They seem to be more polished. That said Miller might have some the best upside of any player, so I'm not dissapointed.

BTW like your pick up of Benson. He and Jones could be a nasty 1-2 punch. :thumbup
 
the Vikings are currently accepting offers for the 18th selection overall, pm me if interested & I'll sleep on it.......... :sleep: goodnight, hint, hint SESupergenius
 
swtbound07 said:
thoughts and opinions on the trade up for clayton?
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I know that the Falcons need another wideout. I think that Clayton is a little small to give up later picks for him. However, he could be another Hinez Ward. In which case you would be a genius.
 
ColdSteelBlue said:
Great pick up of Roth for the Cowboys Hottoddie. Although I would hate to see him in Dallas it would be a good fit. Good choice. :thumbup
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Thanks. Everything I've read about this guy makes me think he's a far superior prospect than guys like Spears, James, & Pollard.

I'd love to see the Texans snag him in the real draft.
 
Hottoddie said:
Thanks. Everything I've read about this guy makes me think he's a far superior prospect than guys like Spears, James, & Pollard.

I'd love to see the Texans snag him in the real draft.
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thats your opinion and your entitled to your opinion :wacko: and of course you mean he is better than David Pollack not Pollard right :confused: define far superior to two guys still available Spears & Pollack-

adding a free link to a current top 32 board- http://www.thehuddlereport.com/BIGBOARD-3-21.htm
 
:shocked I just noticed that...Our mock lost a lot of credibility with that one...I was looking at him as a 3rd rounder at best...
 
That pick caught my eye as well. The dude who drafted him talked about trying him out as a QB, but why would you do that when you have Bulger. Not to metion most teams see him as a WR/TE. :hmmm:
 
D-ReK said:
...Our mock lost a lot of credibility with that one...
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The pick of Jones may have been off the chart. But if you've followed the draft over the past 5 years, you've seen the Rams make off the chart picks in the 1st round.

2000 Trung Canidate - Arizona- A real puzzler in that Faulk was in his prime.
2001 Ryan Pickett - Ohio State - Most had as a 3rd round value.
2002 Robert Thomas - LB - UCLA - Another guy most saw in the 3rd round.

Odd pick, OK. Loss of credibility for the mock, I don't think so.
 
I just looked up the Rams recent drafts, and since 2000, they have been horrible for the most part...I retract my previous statements...Great job in keeping with the Rams' trends, and thanks for the input, Lucky...
 
That was a bit of a homer pick from O/T since he is a Razorback fan, but to his credit he just about nailed the Ahmad Carroll draft position last year when nobody had him in the 1st round at that time. Also, with so many guys rated around the same this draft will probably have a few surprising moments. If Matt Jones eventually plays to first round value (and he might) then the pick was a good one (I wouldn't have done it though).
 
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