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Mock Draft 1.0 Discussion

DC_ROCK said:
I was surprised to see Chris Kemoeatu, OG, of Utah, go before Marcus Johnson OG Ole Miss.
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hey whats up DC :BananaWav

just fired off e-mail to Drew @ the Huddle, he has 5 OT's going in the 1st round with the Texans selecting Jammal Brown with the 13th pick, while passing on these defensive studs
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  • Pac Man
  • Dan Cody
  • Marcus Spears
in our own Mock as you mentioned both will be starting OG's for along time, as fans it seems however that we don't rate offensive linemen high enough with only 2 tackles & 2 guards in the 1st round. the second round already there have been 2 tackles & 1 guard selected in the 1st 12 picks. somewhere between reality must exist :confused:
 
beerlover said:
hey whats up DC :BananaWav

just fired off e-mail to Drew @ the Huddle, he has 5 OT's going in the 1st round with the Texans selecting Jammal Brown with the 13th pick, while passing on these defensive studs
  • Pac Man
  • Dan Cody
  • Marcus Spears
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5 OT's?

I dont think so. The only ones I see going round 1, are Brown, Barron, Terry, and MAYBE Khalif Barnes, whos stock seems to be on the rise from the senior bowl. The rest seem to be lower tier talent.

But I am just a fan and not a draft guru.
 
DC_ROCK said:
...The only ones I see going round 1, are Brown, Barron, Terry, and MAYBE Khalif Barnes...
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Bama's Wesley Britt could go late 1st if he bounces back from his leg injury. He's certainly not a lower tier talent.
 
Drew has just come out with a new Mock and in it only three OT's now make the 1st round & no guards. the Texans select TE Heath Miller, Marcus Spears goes #2 to the Dolphins and Derrick Johnson falls to the Chiefs @ 15.

If this scenero happens maybe you'd think the Texans draft Derrick Johnson instead & see what Bennie Joppru can do, maybe we all just had to wait a couple of years for a reason that could really pay off, now the Texans can address another need instead of a Heath Miller.
 
beerlover said:
If this scenero happens maybe you'd think the Texans draft Derrick Johnson instead & see what Bennie Joppru can do...
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I think the Texans vets will begin their off season conditioning program prior to the draft (late March?). I'm sure there will be eyes trained on Joppru to see how he is coming around. Even if Joppru looks ready to go, that doesn't mean the Texans won't find a TE in the draft at some point. The position would just become less of a priority.
 
DC_ROCK said:
I was surprised to see Chris Kemoeatu, OG, of Utah, go before Marcus Johnson OG Ole Miss.
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Kemoeatu is probably one of the best run blocking pure guards in the draft. I was debating drafting Johnson but felt he was more inclined to be a Tackle, which the Cards really don't need. The Senior Bowl is all fine and good, but sometimes we get too wrapped up into 1 game to look at other talent that are underclassmen. Utah ran the ball well last year and its hard not to give credit to the line, which KeMo was an integral part. The Senior Bowl should not be the measuring stick to draft a player, it's just one aspect over the career of a college athlete.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
The problem with him is that he is a serious headcase.
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That wouldn't stop Denny Green from drafting Kemoeatu if he were the best player on their board.
 
He had a few problems in his Sophmore year, nothing really major, just overreacting on the field. I don't think he got arrested or was in trouble with the law. Did he have any problems last year? I think the Sophomore incident is whats keeping his stock down but he's had a year to mature past that and has grown up a bit.
 
Once again, that incident was in his Sophomore year, I think he grew up a bit after that incident. Did he have any problems last year? If my behavior was judge by my employer when I was a Sophomore, I'd still be washing cars like Fiddy!
 
If we're handicapping Vinny's pick, I'd put Demarcus Ware as the favorite with Cedric Houston as a darkhorse.
 
You can tell Lucky has read a few of my posts. I lived up in TN for a while and became a bit of an SEC fan, so I follow Ole Miss quite a bit and have really liked Houston when I have gotten a few glimpses of him. TN backs have done pretty well in the NFL over the years and Houston has great size and speed.

Also, Ware passed my bean bag/sing-along agility test with high marks...had to take him.
 
Vinny said:
Also, Ware passed my bean bag/sing-along agility test with high marks...had to take him.
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I heard that the Texans passed on Shawn Andrews last year because during the 2.5 hour test he ate the beanbag.
 
Lucky said:
I heard that the Texans passed on Shawn Andrews last year because during the 2.5 hour test he ate the beanbag.
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Can't blame the big guy. A man gets hungry answering questions all day. Mmmm beanbag.
 
great job everyone making your selections, I think this is the best "with trades" Mock draft out there. Proud to be a Texan :howdy:

sesupergenius- I like what you've done with that trade to the Packers. You've picked up a young CB, while still raw, eventually may prove to be a more productive pro in the long run than Rolle and to add insult to injury chose the one QB I've heard rumored to be the Packers choice in the 1st rd (Charlie Frye). I'm keeping a close eye on you :popcorn:
 
I know I picked the guy for the Saints, but does Darryl Blackstock seem suitable if Houston was able to nab him in the 2nd? Great pass rusher, improved against the run, pretty good speed to cover and played in a 3-4 at Virginia. Would he be able to play Foremans ILB spot? (I think he was OLB in college?)
 
Based on this profile from NFLDraftCountdown,

Weaknesses: A liability versus the run...Not a natural in coverage...Lacks fluid hips...Doesn't change direction well...Plays in a 3-4 defense that is perfectly tailored to his skills and may need to be in a similar scheme in the pros.
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it doesn't seem to me he'd be a prototype ILB...
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
I know I picked the guy for the Saints, but does Darryl Blackstock seem suitable if Houston was able to nab him in the 2nd? Great pass rusher, improved against the run, pretty good speed to cover and played in a 3-4 at Virginia. Would he be able to play Foremans ILB spot? (I think he was OLB in college?)
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i doubt he goes 2nd round to the Texans, maybe later in the 2nd like to the Saints. if he is still around later in the 3rd they might, just depends on who they already drafted. from what I see the Texans will target one of the top linebackers off the board early so there will probably be other needs to be addressed at that time.
 
If there's a player you're interested in at the Colts pick (#60), let me know soon.
 
Steel Blue, if you're interested in my pick let me know now. If Fiddy gives me the go ahead, I'm making the pick and getting this mock rolling.
 
Lucky said:
Steel Blue, if you're interested in my pick let me know now. If Fiddy gives me the go ahead, I'm making the pick and getting this mock rolling.
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Yeah, go ahead. I've been busy today and totally forgot...
 
Lucky said:
Steel Blue, if you're interested in my pick let me know now. If Fiddy gives me the go ahead, I'm making the pick and getting this mock rolling.
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Nope, go ahead and pick. I'm sure one of my prospects will fall to me.
 
Vinny said:
Looks like Wags is importing the entire Cal team.
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They have to be better than the 49ers.

If I had been here for the first pick I probably would have passed on Rogers.
Mike Nugent was my guy from day one.
 
wags said:
They have to be better than the 49ers.

If I had been here for the first pick I probably would have passed on Rogers.
Mike Nugent was my guy from day one.
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I hear he is rated higher than Kaeding from last season. Kaeding went in the 3rd round.
 
Vinny said:
I hear he is rated higher than Kaeding from last season. Kaeding went in the 3rd round.
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Yeah that's not a surprise because Nugent has been very impressive in college. He's an "athletic" kicker kind of in the mold of a David Akers or Adam Vinatierri. I remember a piece on College Gameday talking about how he was a popular guy on the Ohio State team because he often ran plays as a WR or DB in practice to fill in for other guys after finishing up special teams practice. I still have a hard time imagining him going in the 2nd round, but if a team needed a kicker bad enough I'm sure it is a possibility.
On a side note there's also a kicker out of Ole Miss, his name escapes me at the moment, that won the Groza award last year, and I believe he's in the draft too. However, I haven't seen what round he's scheduled to go in, or if he's expected to be a rookie free agent. So he's another option for teams looking for a good kicker.
 
texasguy346 said:
On a side note there's also a kicker out of Ole Miss, his name escapes me at the moment, that won the Groza award last year, and I believe he's in the draft too.
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Jonathan Nichols. He was better last year, but is still pretty good.
 
wags said:
Jonathan Nichols. He was better last year, but is still pretty good.
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That's him. Yeah there was some talk about him playing with a broken toe or something like that this year. I think that's why he had such an off year this past season.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The Tennessee Titans select Ciatrick Fason RB Florida 6'0 215" 4.4 speed. Fason has as much natural skill as any RB in the draft ... but in the third run this player is an excellent value.
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Exactly the reason I was going to pick him up late in the third, and be a 'genius'. Guess I should've brought out my 'genius' thinking cap in the 2nd Round. Curse you ArlingtonTexan!
 
I listed a few backs I like in the 3rd round in another thread but left Fason out because I can't see how he falls there. He has a nice blend of speed and power and is a first round type back in some years.
 
Vinny said:
I listed a few backs I like in the 3rd round in another thread but left Fason out because I can't see how he falls there. He has a nice blend of speed and power and is a first round type back in some years.
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I liked him as well as any of the 1st Round backs, and in some cases better. With the abundance of talent at RB I think it's possible for him to slip as far as the 3rd, but definately not probable. If he's not gone by the end of the 2nd Round in April you can color me surprised.
 
Fason came within a hair of being my pick for the Eagles, along with Barber, who is still on the board. I went with Shelton because of size and it gives the Eagles a different look. But let me tell you, I had a really hard time deciding with of the three I was going to take. I think all three will be really good pro backs.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
The Dallas Cowboys select Odell Thurman LB form the University of Georgia. This is a pick the help with the the transsion to the 3-4 defense (damn I'd wish they just annouce if they are going to a 3-4 or not, make this alot easier) At 6'1" and 235 pounds, Odell may be a bit slight, but he is more than makes up for it with his physical play. A superb tackler, and sble to cover from sideline ot sideline, Thurman should quickly find a home with the starting linebacker corps.
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Looks like Odell was already off the board. Looks like Patterson was definately the right decision then.
 
LoL...I checked the prospect list and his name wasn't crossed off, so I assumed he was still on the board, but we all know what happens when you assume...
 
1) Vinny Texans (Seahawks) - David Baas, C/OG, Michigan
2a) Vinny Texans (Titans) - Chris Canty, DE Virginia
2b) Vinny Texans - Demarcus Ware LB, Troy State
3) Vinny Texans (Dal) - Luis Castillo, DT, Northwestern

Well, my first day selections are done with this pick. Luis Castillo could be the best candidate to play NT in this draft although personally, I'm not totally sold on him so I go with a bit of broad consensus and the fact that he is creeping into the first rd of some mocks (in the first round at Ourlads) combined with the fact that he is the 4th player chosen in the draft so the fallout is a little more negligible if he doesn't pan out.

I really liked Ryan Moats (can you say Brian Westbrook?), Marion Barber, Wesly Britt, or Kevin Everett here but will trust others opinions over my own at this point. So my gamble and hope would be that one of those guys would be there for my virtual Texans in the 4th.

So, to sum it up, I took care of the interior Offensive line with a physical player who can match up with the Hainsworths, Hendersons, and Strouds in the middle of the field and not get pushed around. Baas has been known to play with fire; a real nasty streak. Injecting a bit of attitude into our passive offensive line will help out tremendously. With Castillo and Canty we have injected size, youth and talent into a line that was aging and becoming injury prone. Demarcus Ware will take Peek's place at situational pass-rusher and hopefully Peek will have the entire scheme down and play with enough smarts to start over the hard working, steady but not spectacular Wong at the ROLB. Hopefully Ware is good enough to start by year 2. It will be a nice problem to have.

The front 7 is beefed up, and our interior line is improved. A team can only go as far as the lines will let them go and our OT play will improve when we have an actual pocket for Carr to step into. It is nearly impossible to keep your body in between Carr and the player you are blocking when you don't know where Carr will be after 2 seconds. Most of Carrs sacks were a direct result of the pocket getting too much inside push and he had to flush to the outside where it is almost impossible to protect him. With the lines improved on both sides of the ball the Offensive skill guys will be able to do their jobs better and should really improve our defense over last years effort.
 
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