Mock Draft 1.0 Discussion

[beerlover]

is there an official time clock? has the venerable Vinny given his blessing?

 

[Fiddy]

is there an official time clock? has the venerable Vinny given his blessing?

24 hours is how much time you have

Forget Vinny

 

[texan279]

Wags let me know if you are interested in trading your #1 pick. Nevermind Wags, even if I traded all of my picks it wouldn't be worth your #1 pick.

 

[Vinny]

The draft is a slow-draft style and is the same as the others we have run in the past. As soon as the pick is made the next team is on the clock. Please try to be ready for your pick. If 24 hours pass then the next team is automatically on the clock. Your pick will be made for you if you miss your selection. We will only let one team pass you then the pick will be made for you and we move on.

Let's see how our first run pans out. Let the chips fall...where the chips fall.

 

[Hottoddie]

Uhhhh.......,has it been 24 hours yet? Or, are we not really going to start this thing yet? Hello? Chirp Chirp Chirp........

 

[Vinny]

We were hoping Wags came around today. If he doesn't show up by mid-day tomorrow his pick will be made and this thing will be pushed off and started without him.

 

[Blake]

We were hoping Wags came around today. If he doesn't show up by mid-day tomorrow his pick will be made and this thing will be pushed off and started without him.

Wags takes Aaron Rodgers.

Just to show im not trying to put a bad pick on Wags: Check this site.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/mockdrafts.cfm

Most mock sites have the 49ers taking Rodgers. So lets move on.

We will be here to draft day if we give everyone 35+ hours to pick.

 

[beerlover]

DC_ROCK your forgettiing beerlovers Mock, oh my bad Aaron Rogers

think that wags was hoping for someone to trade down with, is there anyone foolish enough to consumate a deal for the #1 pick? Guess not. I second DC_ROCK, its mid day & time to move along, let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Vinny]

This mock starts when Wags makes his pick. If he doesn't get here by the time Fiddy gets out of school today then his pick will be made....

It may be Rogers but I don't know what Fiddy has in mind though. Once this thing starts properly then the 24 hour limits will be watched closely. The clock really starts when he makes his pick.

 

[beerlover]

the wheels on the bus go round & round, round & round, round & round

 

[texansalltheway]

ledzeppelin269 I will trade you the Redskins #9 pick=1350 for NO #16 & #41=1490 or any one else that is interested, I am looking to move down and pick up an extra pick.

 

[texan279]

I will trade but I am last pick so I don't think my picks would be worth your pick.

 

[beerlover]

very unfortunate wags could'nt get out of bed, make the big dance or turn the big trade (closet Viking fan). gwallaia on the other hand is very shrewd & probably this very moment contemplating his next move, I know he loves defense so he may be e-mailing GM's about trading down so he could aquire the top DE prospect (not going to spoil that for you) but if no one plays he may just have to take a RB

gotta give mad props to the fins for having excellent depth @ QB (Feeley, Fiedler & Smith) sounds like attorney firm

 

[D-ReK]

If anyone wants to jump up to #5, act quickly...Trades are in the works...

Have a package ready and send me a PM...

The #5 pick must go...

ACT NOW!!!!

 

[Blake]

How are those trades coming D-Rek? People lining up to snag the #5 spot?

 

[D-ReK]

Actually, no...

I tried pulling a Drew Rosenhaus and make all the GMs think a trade was in the works...

Sadly, nobody offered what I was looking for...

 

[texansalltheway]

Anyone heard anything from Wags?

 

[Blake]

Anyone heard anything from Wags?

Nope. The Member list says he hasnt been on the board since we made the pick for him...

 

[Blake]

Thomas Davis to the raiders eh? Didnt see that one coming. I was predicting Edwards. WR

 

[Fiddy]

Thomas Davis to the raiders eh? Didnt see that one coming. I was predicting Edwards. WR

There was a rumor I read that had the Vikings trading Randy Moss to the Raiders for the Raiders first and Phillip Bucannon, I'll try to find it later...

 

[Blake]

There was a rumor I read that had the Vikings trading Randy Moss to the Raiders for the Raiders first and Phillip Bucannon, I'll try to find it later...

it was on si.com the 10 spot or something. I read that too. But I dont know.

Also, this trade is crazy. The cardinals need a RB, and Benson is still on the board, along with Williams. And I dont understand who the pack are looking for. Maybe Erasmus James...

 

[Fiddy]

Also, this trade is crazy. The cardinals need a RB, and Benson is still on the board, along with Williams. And I dont understand who the pack are looking for. Maybe Erasmus James...

You should figure out any second now. I think it was great for both teams. But I am the commish so I have the inside scoop...

 

[Lucky]

Also, this trade is crazy.

I think it's a good trade. The Cards can still get a RB like Morency in the late 1st, early 2nd. They need more than just one guy. With the big WRs in the NFC North (Moss, Roy W., & now Mike W.), Rolle would be a great pickup for the Pack.

 

[fresno8]

Looking to trade my other 2nd round pick for 2 3rd rounders

 

[SESupergenius]

I will tell you the Cards thinking after the draft.

 

[beerlover]

this Mock or course has limitations that being you have to work with 3 rounds only (this year) you can't add less meaningfull late round picks & possibly more meaningfull next years picks. the move is brilliant for the Cards they can still get one of the better DE's with the 1st then a RB with the second plus another solid 2nd & 3rd round pick. the packer secondary was exposed because of lack of pass rush, Ahmad Carroll didn't have a Aaron Glenn teaching the rookie tricks of the trade which really helped Dunta, I think he will be fine in 2-3 years. with the strong CB group I don't think he was worth selling the whole draft for, the packers have many more needs....

 

[Lucky]

...with the strong CB group I don't think he was worth selling the whole draft for, the packers have many more needs....

The Pack picked up the Saints 2nd round pick in the Mike McKenzie deal. So they still have quite a bit of draft left. Carroll will always be at a disadvantage physically against guys like Moss & Roy. Not so with Rolle. Other than Favre's eventual replacement, this was Green Bay's biggest need.

 

[texan279]

Carroll will always be at a disadvantage physically against guys like Moss & Roy. Not so with Rolle.

I don't know anything about college ball but I have read that Rolle doesn't have the speed to keep up with WR's like those, but I dunno, never seen him play and can't believe everything you read I guess...

 

[Blake]

I agree. There were to many good CB's in this years draft to jump up for rolle. The packs #1 need was QB. 2nd was DE. CB was one of the last needs, and thats just for depth.

And I dont think Danny would pass up a chance to get Benson/Brown/Williams, for his offense.

JMHO.

 

[Lucky]

Well, the QBs were gone after the 1st 2 picks. And even though the Pack collected 40 sacks this season, they allowed the most TD passes (33). That tells me that CB isn't the last of their needs. Batman Carroll is one of the fastest stopwatch players in the NFL. But he can't cover big WRs like Moss or Roy Williams. Rolle is as proven a CB that has come into league in a while. If you play Cover 2 as much as Green Bay does, you can get away with a CB that doesn't have top speed. Maybe there's some question about Rolle's off the field issues, but on paper this pick fills a need for the Pack and they get good value.

 

[fresno8]

I agree. There were to many good CB's in this years draft to jump up for rolle. The packs #1 need was QB. 2nd was DE. CB was one of the last needs, and thats just for depth.

And I dont think Danny would pass up a chance to get Benson/Brown/Williams, for his offense.

JMHO.

The Pack's d-line though not spectacular is solid, w/ KGB, Grady Jackson, Cletius Hunt (if he gets his act together). The top two QB's were gone and they don't need anything else on offense other than maybe a OG to replace Rivera in a few years. Back to the deffense. They have Barnett and Diggs at LB (could use a replacement for Navies, but Derrick Johnson was gone). They have one good saftey in Sharper and a serviceable ones in Jue/Roman so taking Rolle was the way to go. Now they have Harris/Rolle w/ Carroll in the nickel/dime package (not bad) Can always pick a QB/DE in the 2nd

 

[beerlover]

The Pack picked up the Saints 2nd round pick in the Mike McKenzie deal. So they still have quite a bit of draft left. Carroll will always be at a disadvantage physically against guys like Moss & Roy. Not so with Rolle. Other than Favre's eventual replacement, this was Green Bay's biggest need.

I like Fresno, not trying to ride him but the only pick he has left is the Saints 2nd round pick after this deal. I quess it could work out, next year the Pack will have one of the top picks (maybe the 1st pick overall if Farve retires) then they can draft Leinart yeah thats the ticket

 

[ComstockLode]

Wow this mock is not very good so far...Top 5 picks look good then it spirals downhill... Lol...

1. wags 49ers – Aaron Rogers, QB, Cal This is obvious definately the correct pick.

2.gwallaia Dolphins – Alex Smith, QB, Utah This definately could happen, but most would think it will be a running back here. Good Pick

3.DC_ROCK Browns - Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas Good pick

4.Grid Bears – Mike Williams, WR, USC Good Pick

5.D-ReK Buccaneers – Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn Would be a good pick, would he be picked ahead of benson and cadillac who are higher on pretty much everyones board?

6.ArlingtonTexan Titans – Alex Barron, OT, FSU I dont know about this pick, the titans have more pressing needs I thought...

7.ColdSteelBlue Raiders - Thomas Davis, S, Georgia I dont know where this pick comes from, because the raiders need all kinds of help on offense. No QB, no WR's, and no RB's. At this point in the draft you would assume you would go with one of the franchise type backs out there, and with benson lasting this long, it should have been an easy pick.

8.fresno8 Packers (from Cardinals) – Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami I like this move up by the packers, but the cardinals still need some key players on defense and offense, and in such a weak draft, I would think a pickup of antrel rolle or maybe a runningback would prevent the cardinals from trading this pick. Hell Benson and Cadillac are still available

 

[Fiddy]

Hell Benson and Cadillac are still available

That is going to happen. Teams dont like taking RBs in the top 10 because they play the most greuling position on the field and longevity is always a question. Look at recent drafts. McGahee, with two torn ligaments in his knee, was the back taken in the 03 draft around 20 and Steven Jackson (who may be just as good as the RBs coming out this year) was the first back taken last year in the mid-20s...

 

[Hottoddie]

I'm interested in trading down from the #10 pick, if anyone's interested.

 

[Grid]

everyone loves to trade down .. honestly I dont see alot of trading down happening in this draft. It just isnt deep enough.. people are going to want a sure thing.. and unless you are going for a CB or an RB.. you probably are gonna want to stay put.

I could see the Thomas Davis pick happening because I think the Raiders are going to look to fix their RB problem in FA.. though I think they would really like to get a hold of a young QB, especially with all the success young QBs have been having in the league lately. They havent had a young QB in Oakland in forever.. and they are definatly hitting that rebuilding stage. I look for them to take a Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers if he falls to them.. or possibly trade up to grab one of them.

 

[D-ReK]

5.D-ReK Buccaneers – Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn Would be a good pick, would he be picked ahead of benson and cadillac who are higher on pretty much everyones board?

Brown is faster than Cadillac and has almost, if not as much power as Benson...The only knock I've heard on Brown is that he wasn't the main ball carrier at Auburn...

The main reason I chose Brown over Benson and Cadillac, though, is the fact that Brown fits better into the Bucs system...The RB in the Bucs' scheme basically plays the same role as DD plays in our offense...

 

[Fiddy]

Brown is faster than Cadillac and has almost, if not as much power as Benson...The only knock I've heard on Brown is that he wasn't the main ball carrier at Auburn...

And dont forget that Brown, arguably, had the best hands on the Aurburn team last year...

 

[Errant Hothy]

Plus since Brown and Williams split the carries at Auburn, neither has the wear that Benson has.

 

[TheTim5125]

Can I be in the Mock Draft

 

[Fiddy]

Can I be in the Mock Draft

You may be able to. I think texasguy346 is doubling up with the Bills, but the Bills dont have a 1st round pick. If no one else has claimed them, then ask texasguy346...

 

[Mistril48]

That is going to happen. Teams dont like taking RBs in the top 10 ...

I don't totally agree that teams won't draft RBs with the early picks. It is true that a RB wasn't taken at the top of the last 3 drafts, but prior to that RBs were usually taken in the early picks. The following are backs taken before our pick (13th) the last few years prior to 2002.

Year . .Pk . . . . . . Player . . . . . . . . . . Team

2001 . . 5 . . . . LaDainian Tomlinson . . . Chargers
2000 . . 5 . . . . Jamaal Lewis . . . . . . . . Ravens
2000 . . 7 . . . . Thomas Jones . . . . . . . Cardinals
2000. . 11 . . . . Ron Dayne . . . . . . . . . Giants
1999 . . 4. . . . . Edgerrin James . . . . . . Colts
1999 . . 5. . . . . Ricky Williams . . . . . . . Saints
1998 . . 5. . . . . Curtis Enis . . . . . . . . . Bears
1998 . . 9. . . . . Fred Taylor . . . . . . . . .Jaguars
1997. . 12 . . . . Warrick Dunn . . . . . . . .Buccaneers
1996 . . 6. . . . . Lawrence Phillips . . . . . Rams
1996 . . 8. . . . . Tim Biakabutuka. . . . . . Carolina
1995 . . 1. . . . . Ki-Jana Carter . . . . . . . Bengals
1994 . . 2. . . . . Marshall Faulk . . . . . . . Colts
1993 . . 3. . . . . Garrison Hearst . . . . . . Cardinals
1993. . 10 . . . . Jerome Bettis . . . . . . . .Rams

I agree that 3 is a lot to absorb. Some teams don't need RBs, in the same way we won't draft a QB with the 13th pick. I just think it's a little early to say. We have a long way to go between now and draft day. All 3 (Benson, Brown, Williams) may have good workouts and depending on where traded RBs go (Henry), all 3 could easily go earlier than Jackson last year, etc.

In terms of longevity, the general manager and coach won't have much longevity if they don't get their programs going and a franchise RB can be a quick fix.

 

[beerlover]

check this out from Great Blue North-

Five-pack of teams looking at Bills' RB Henry... Buffalo RB Travis Henry, whom the Bills gave permission to seek a trade for himself, says that five teams have expressed an interest in acquiring his services. Henry, who became expendable in Buffalo when Willis McGahee emerged as star #1 back this season, in fact, identified Tampa Bay as one team interested in his services. Other teams believed to have some interest in Henry are Arizona, Miami, Carolina and Oakland. Henry, though, isn't the only veteran RB on the market. Earlier this week, for example, Denver also gave RB Reuben Droughns permission to seek a trade for himself, while its widely expected that Minnesota could also try and shop RB Michael Bennett; then there's Jets' RB Lamont Jordan who will almost assuredly be an unrestricted free agent later this winter. And the fact that so many quality veteran RBs are, or could be available, this off-season, will also have a major bearing on how team's approach the position at this year's draft.

 

[Grid]

actually.. talk out of NY is that LaMont Jordan is willing to stay a jet if he gets starter pay. He knows that Martin will be retiring soon and he is gonna be the man at RB after that.

 

[beerlover]

thats common logic & maybe agent talk. I was one who really was selling LaMont to come to Houston, but that seems like distant light years away now. he was just trying to use any leverage possible to increase his contract, not that a blame him one bit, we all know money talks.

 

[ColdSteelBlue]

Just playing the part. Al Davis never makes sense. ifelt he was the BPA. RB is prob. got in FA. Davis is an impact player that can make a difference NOW. I did want Brown here, but alas he was gone. IMO Brown was the only do it all back. Not sold on Bensons speed or Williams power.

 

[Hottoddie]

Okay folks. The #10 pick is available for trade.

There are several quality players left on the board that might not be there when you pick. Players such as, Cedric Benson(RB), Carnell Williams(RB), Heath Miller(TE), Jammal Brown(OT), Elton Brown(OG), Shawne Merriman(OLB/DE), Erasmus James(DE), David Pollack(DE), Shaun Cody(DT), & Adam "Pac-Man" Jones(CB).

I had a trade offer on the table for the #10 pick, but the player they wanted was picked at #9 (Braylon Edwards). Don't let this happen to you.

If there's a player that you really want & you're holding your breath that he'll slip to you, here's your chance to guarantee that you get him.

Since I have 24 hrs. to make my pick, I'll wait until 11:00 AM (Houston time) tomorrow to make my pick, unless I get an offer too good to pass up.

 

[texansalltheway]

Whoever wanted Edwards the Redskins are open to trade discussion for extra picks, so don't hesitate to inquire.

 

[Hottoddie]

For those that might like to make some trades, here's a list of the picks each team has through the first 3 rounds, according to NFL Draft Blitz.com.

Don't forget that there has already been one trade between Green Bay & Arizona in our mock. I've also included the point value of each pick (according to NFL.com) in parenthesis. Hope this helps.

NFLDraftBlitz.com

First Round

1. San Francisco 49ers (3,000)

2. Miami Dolphins (2,600)

3. Cleveland Browns (2,200)

4. Chicago Bears (1,800)

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1,700)

6. Tennessee Titans (1,600)

7. Oakland Raiders (1,500)

8. Arizona Cardinals (1,400)

9. Washington Redskins (1,350)

10. Detroit Lions (1,300)

11. Dallas Cowboys (1,250)

12. San Diego Chargers (NYG) (1,200)

13. Houston Texans (1,150)

14. Carolina Panthers (1,100)

15. Kansas City Chiefs (1,050)

16. New Orleans Saints (1,000)

17. Cincinnati Bengals (950)

18. Minnesota Vikings (900)

19. St. Louis Rams (875)

20. Dallas Cowboys (Buf) (850)

21. Jacksonville Jaguars (800)

22. Baltimore Ravens (780)

23. Seattle Seahawks (760)

24. Green Bay Packers (740)

25. Denver Broncos (720)

26. New York Jets (700)

27. Atlanta Falcons* (680)

28. San Diego Chargers* (660)

29. Indianapolis Colts* (640)

30. Philadelphia Eagles* (620)

31. New England Patriots* (600)

32. Pittsburgh Steelers* (590)

Second Round

33. San Francisco 49ers (580)

34. Cleveland Browns (560)

35. Philadelphia Eagles (Mia) (550)

36. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (540)

37. Tennessee Titans (530)

38. Oakland Raiders (520)

39. Chicago Bears (510)

40. New Orleans Saints (Wash) (500)

41. Detroit Lions (490)

42. Dallas Cowboys (480)

43. New York Giants (470)

44. Arizona Cardinals (460)

45. Carolina Panthers (450)

46. Kansas City Chiefs (440)

47. Houston Texans (430)

48. Cincinnati Bengals (420)

49. Minnesota Vikings (410)

50. St. Louis Rams (400)

51. Green Bay Packers (NO) (390)

52. Jacksonville Jaguars (380)

53. Baltimore Ravens (370)

54. Seattle Seahawks (360)

55. Buffalo Bills (350)

56. Denver Broncos (340)

57. New York Jets (330)

58. Green Bay Packers (320)

59. Atlanta Falcons* (310)

60. Indianapolis Colts* (300)

61. San Diego Chargers* (292)

62. Philadelphia Eagles* (284)

63. New England Patriots* (276)

64. Pittsburgh Steelers* (270)

Third Round

65. San Francisco 49ers (265)

66. St. Louis Rams (Mia) (260)

67. Cleveland Browns (255)

68. Tennessee Titans (250)

69. Oakland Raiders (245)

70. Miami Dolphins (Chi) (240)

71. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (235)

72. Detroit Lions (230)

73. Houston Texans (Dal) (225)

74. New York Giants (220)

75. Arizona Cardinals (215)

76. Washington Redskins (210)

77. Philadelphia Eagles (KC) (205)

78. Houston Texans (200)

79. Carolina Panthers (195)

80. Minnesota Vikings (190)

81. St. Louis Rams (185)

82. New Orleans Saints (180)

83. Cincinnati Bengals (175)

84. Baltimore Ravens (170)

85. Seattle Seahawks (165)

86. Buffalo Bills (160)

87. Jacksonville Jaguars (155)

88. New York Jets (150)

89. Green Bay Packers (145)

90. Denver-no pick (***)

91. Atlanta Falcons* (140)

92. Tampa Bay Bucs (SD)* (136)

93. Indianapolis Colts* (132)

94. Philadelphia Eagles* (128)

95. New England Patriots* (124)

96. Pittsburgh Steelers* (120)


Edit: ****! I just realized that all this hasn't been updated since January 4th. The draft order was wrong from the 18th pick to the 22nd pick & the 30th to the 31st pick. With this edit, I've adjusted the draft orders, including the 2nd & 3rd round picks. Which wasn't easy with the NFL's formula of shifting the teams with the same record, up one position each round. If anyone see's any errors, please let me know & I'll adjust it accordingly.

 

[texasguy346]

Can I be in the Mock Draft

If you'd like the Bills just let me know, but you wouldn't have a 1st Round pick. You'd be picking at around the 50th overal pick. Also I'd be happy to share what I think the Bills' needs are in order to help you make your pick. Just let me know what you decide.