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Indications are we'll shift to a 4-3. I'm not sure we have anyone that can be the MLB we need to execute that defense effectively. I know many have discussed AJ Hawk

http://www.draftshowcase.com/AJHawk.htm

He'd be perfect and we could trade down and acquire extra picks. However, I doubt that will happen. Are there any other rookies or FAs that we should be thinking about? I was thinking of the MLB from OSU (he's from Texas).
 
if chad greenway somehow managed to fall to #33 he'd be good. im not sure if ahmad brooks has declared or whatever-he'd be decent aswell
 
Maddict5 said:
if chad greenway somehow managed to fall to #33 he'd be good. im not sure if ahmad brooks has declared or whatever-he'd be decent aswell
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Thats wat i would like. Or if Chad Greenway doesn't drop there is a good chance that Demarcus Ryans will b there
 
I like Greenway, but dont see him making it out of the first round. Freddie Roach, Rocky McIntosh are two guys that have impressed me. They both are 4-3 MLBs and play alot like Vilma, especially Rocky he is pretty much a Vilma clone.
 
Brooks has not declared. Kai Parham would be pretty good(he has experience in the 3-4) and in the 7th maybe some small school guy who flies under the radar.
 
rmartin65 said:
Brooks has not declared. Kai Parham would be pretty good(he has experience in the 3-4) and in the 7th maybe some small school guy who flies under the radar.
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Kai would be decent enough in the later rounds.

Small school guys: I posted an entire thread about sleeper LB's a week back or so. Nick Reid is a great MLB guy to look at in the 6th or 7th. He just has that "country boy, I'm going to kick your a** as soon as you cross that line" look to him.
 
cadahnic said:
I like Greenway, but dont see him making it out of the first round. Freddie Roach, Rocky McIntosh are two guys that have impressed me. They both are 4-3 MLBs and play alot like Vilma, especially Rocky he is pretty much a Vilma clone.
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McIntosh is currently my favorite option for our MLB spot since Brooks and Poluz did not declare this year. He will be a STUD in the league...and even if he's not, we know he is at least better than greenwood.
 
Abdul Hodge in the 2nd or Kai Parham in the 3rd. Hodge is a playmaker and flies to the ball while Parham has great size and is amazing at reacting to plays. Either or, it doesnt matter to me.
 
Texans>Colts said:
Abdul Hodge and Aaron Harris will fit fine in our system i think. Here's a good website about prospects:http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl-draft/positions/inside-linebackers.php
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Those were the two guys I had in mind. Ithink we can expect Hodge around the second round (last I heard, he might drop because of Greenway), then Harris in either the 3rd or 4th, more likley 4th, depending on combine...that would leave us with Greenwood and Wong on the outside, not thay bad I guess..
 
swtbound07 said:
come on now.....thats the only descriptive adjective you could find? not exactly the most pc thing you've ever posted.
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haha, yeah...thats all I could think of.

But for our mods I will rephrase it:

Ahmad Brooks would have been DROY, amassing tripple digit tackles.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Kai would be decent enough in the later rounds.

Small school guys: I posted an entire thread about sleeper LB's a week back or so. Nick Reid is a great MLB guy to look at in the 6th or 7th. He just has that "country boy, I'm going to kick your a** as soon as you cross that line" look to him.
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Heck, if we are talking about sleepers, Digger Anderson from North Dakota.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8118216786263113242&q=digger+anderson+nfl

Has experience in the 3-4(plays strong inside)and looks pretty good at adjusting to plays. Maybe a 5-7th rounder.
 
Texan in Japan said:
Great site! I like Anthony Schlegel, ILB, Ohio St.; believe he's from Texas and he has potential...may be able to pick him up on second day.
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There saying he might go in the 2nd round
 
Texan in Japan said:
Indications are we'll shift to a 4-3. I'm not sure we have anyone that can be the MLB we need to execute that defense effectively. I know many have discussed AJ Hawk

http://www.draftshowcase.com/AJHawk.htm

He'd be perfect and we could trade down and acquire extra picks. However, I doubt that will happen. Are there any other rookies or FAs that we should be thinking about? I was thinking of the MLB from OSU (he's from Texas).
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Kailee Wong played MLB in a 4-3 in Minn before coming to the Texans .... He put up decent numbers from that position in 2000 and 2001 . I think he would be the likely starter at that position at this point .... this being prior to the draft and free agent signings.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=79

2000: Earned MLB slot in training camp and started all 16 games…paced team with career-best 134 tackles…added two sacks, two INTs and three passes defensed…posted 10 or more tackles in eight games

2001: Started all 16 games, leading Minnesota with 116 tackles…added three sacks, one INT and six passes defensed

There are a multitude of talented ILB prospects available in the coming draft and depending on what they do in the first round where I think they will take one of for players .... Those being Bush , Young , Mario Williams or D'Brickashaw Ferguson im sure that the position will be looked into at some point in this draft ... Here's a few prospects that the Texans could look after the first round .

D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland 6-1 231 4.65 (Round 2)
Anthony Schlegel, Ohio State 6-2 245 (round 3)
Aaron Harris, Texas 6-0 235 (Round 3)
Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech 6-4 230 4.71 (Round 4)
Leon Williams, Miami (FL) 6-4 237 (round 4)

Kevin Simon, Tennessee 5-11 234 4.55 Could be a sleeper pick , This guy has tons of potential and could play multiple positions but has missed a ton of time because of injuries . Maybe take a flier on him in round 5 or 6 .

Seriously doubt that the Texans look at this position prior to round three and most likely later than that with all the holes thay have and with the rumored switch to the 4-3 .... They dont have a true 4-3 DE on the roster outside of G.Walker and he has durability issues not to mention his age and large contract . If the Texans switch to the 4-3 the DE position will take priority .
 
corrosion said:
Seriously doubt that the Texans look at this position prior to round three and most likely later than that with all the holes thay have and with the rumored switch to the 4-3 .... They dont have a true 4-3 DE on the roster outside of G.Walker and he has durability issues not to mention his age and large contract . If the Texans switch to the 4-3 the DE position will take priority .
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I agree, but Roger McInstosh and Nick Reid have my attention in the later rounds.
 
corrosion said:
Kailee Wong played MLB in a 4-3 in Minn before coming to the Texans .... He put up decent numbers from that position in 2000 and 2001 . I think he would be the likely starter at that position at this point .... this being prior to the draft and free agent signings.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=79

2000: Earned MLB slot in training camp and started all 16 games…paced team with career-best 134 tackles…added two sacks, two INTs and three passes defensed…posted 10 or more tackles in eight games

2001: Started all 16 games, leading Minnesota with 116 tackles…added three sacks, one INT and six passes defensed

There are a multitude of talented ILB prospects available in the coming draft and depending on what they do in the first round where I think they will take one of for players .... Those being Bush , Young , Mario Williams or D'Brickashaw Ferguson im sure that the position will be looked into at some point in this draft ... Here's a few prospects that the Texans could look after the first round .

D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland 6-1 231 4.65 (Round 2)
Anthony Schlegel, Ohio State 6-2 245 (round 3)
Aaron Harris, Texas 6-0 235 (Round 3)
Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech 6-4 230 4.71 (Round 4)
Leon Williams, Miami (FL) 6-4 237 (round 4)

Kevin Simon, Tennessee 5-11 234 4.55 Could be a sleeper pick , This guy has tons of potential and could play multiple positions but has missed a ton of time because of injuries . Maybe take a flier on him in round 5 or 6 .

Seriously doubt that the Texans look at this position prior to round three and most likely later than that with all the holes thay have and with the rumored switch to the 4-3 .... They dont have a true 4-3 DE on the roster outside of G.Walker and he has durability issues not to mention his age and large contract . If the Texans switch to the 4-3 the DE position will take priority .
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I totally agree with that, those are all good prospects. I've been wondering about DE's and think it more than likely we would take one in the second round if we did switch to the 4-3 or even planned to run a hybrid defense. I really like Darril Tapp, he has a great motor and I really don't see any other better prospects out there. Besides the ones that are going to be gone in the first round. Any thoughts?
 
Kailee Wong played MLB of the Vikings before coming to the texans. Greenwood could move back outside, with Babin and Peek puttin their hands down, and 4 DTs to rotate, the Defense will be better by fault.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I totally agree with that, those are all good prospects. I've been wondering about DE's and think it more than likely we would take one in the second round if we did switch to the 4-3 or even planned to run a hybrid defense. I really like Darril Tapp, he has a great motor and I really don't see any other better prospects out there. Besides the ones that are going to be gone in the first round. Any thoughts?
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I like Tapp ... He's got some talent but I really think he's gonna have to convert to LB in the NFL , He's listed at 6'2" 266 but thats probably a stretch . Its tough to play DE when you are 5'11" against some of these mammoth tackles in the NFL . We will have to wait for the combine and his true measurments ....
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/position/DE/tapp-d.html

Tapp could get labeled a "’tweener." Too small to play DT and too short to be a big-time rush end. These are both legit concerns, and the team that drafts him, will have to take that into consideration, as to where he can fit.
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As for taking a DE in the second round ... Thats a good possibility but it really depends on what they do in round one . If they take Bush or Young that pushes the rest of their many needs down a round . I think the biggest holes are along the INTERIOR of the O-Line Center and LG to be specific . Its not likely that they find a player in the draft ready to come in and take over at center .... Thats probably better filled via FA .

But the Guard position is a different story . Depending on what type of blocking scheme they run .... I'd like to see Max Gean-Gilles , Georgia 6-4 340 in round two or Taitusi Lutui , Southern Cal 6-6 370 in round three if they run a more traditional man blocking scheme .... Both are HUGE and would be instant upgrades to Fred Weary and Milford Brown.

If they choose to stick with the Zone blocking scheme .....Mark Setterstrom , Minnesota 6-3 295 or Dan Stevenson , Notre Dame 6-6 292 would probably still be around in the 4th and 5th rounds.

There are few DE's in this draft that I really like , Mario Williams is probably the best all around DE in the draft , Mathias Kiwanuka is probably the best pass rusher but both will be taken in round One.

As for later picks ....I havent done a ton of research on them but here are a couple who will deserve a look .

Manny Lawson, North Carolina St.6' 5"/245 (3rd rnd)
Kamerion Wimbley , Florida St. 6-4 255 (3rd rnd)
Victor Adeyanju , Indiana 6' 4"/275 (4th rnd)

This team has so many holes its going to be extremely difficult to fill them all in one draft . The also need to look at the TE , WR and CB positions . Ive been trying to come up w/ a mock that could fix all their problems but its near impossible . They are going to have to be aggressive via FA as well .

A few draft links .
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/
http://condraft.com/index.php
 
corrosion said:
Kailee Wong played MLB in a 4-3 in Minn before coming to the Texans .... He put up decent numbers from that position in 2000 and 2001 . I think he would be the likely starter at that position at this point .... this being prior to the draft and free agent signings.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=79

2000: Earned MLB slot in training camp and started all 16 games…paced team with career-best 134 tackles…added two sacks, two INTs and three passes defensed…posted 10 or more tackles in eight games

2001: Started all 16 games, leading Minnesota with 116 tackles…added three sacks, one INT and six passes defensed

There are a multitude of talented ILB prospects available in the coming draft and depending on what they do in the first round where I think they will take one of for players .... Those being Bush , Young , Mario Williams or D'Brickashaw Ferguson im sure that the position will be looked into at some point in this draft ... Here's a few prospects that the Texans could look after the first round .

D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland 6-1 231 4.65 (Round 2)
Anthony Schlegel, Ohio State 6-2 245 (round 3)
Aaron Harris, Texas 6-0 235 (Round 3)
Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech 6-4 230 4.71 (Round 4)
Leon Williams, Miami (FL) 6-4 237 (round 4)

Kevin Simon, Tennessee 5-11 234 4.55 Could be a sleeper pick , This guy has tons of potential and could play multiple positions but has missed a ton of time because of injuries . Maybe take a flier on him in round 5 or 6 .

Seriously doubt that the Texans look at this position prior to round three and most likely later than that with all the holes thay have and with the rumored switch to the 4-3 .... They dont have a true 4-3 DE on the roster outside of G.Walker and he has durability issues not to mention his age and large contract . If the Texans switch to the 4-3 the DE position will take priority .
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You may be right about Wong, but he doesn't engender a lot of excitement. I really want a killer Urlacher kind of guy, but if not AJ Hawk, then someone that is a playmaker/killer inside.

I think we can try Babin and Peak as pass rushing DEs in 4-3 and that Travis Johnson could probably play DE in the 4-3 (if he drops a little weight and works on his quickness/speed).

I like the idea of picking some LBs in middle/late rounds.
 
Mario Williams solidifies the LE of our line and Babin and Peek solidify the RE. Payne, Walker, TJ, and Smith hold down the DT and then Wong, Greenwood, Orr and possibly Andersen and Polk with the addition of hopefully Rocky McIntosh to hold down the LBs.
 
swtbound07 said:
come on now.....thats the only descriptive adjective you could find? not exactly the most pc thing you've ever posted.
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IMO you just used the most foul mouthed word (abbreviation or whatever) there is.
 
Texan in Japan said:
You may be right about Wong, but he doesn't engender a lot of excitement. I really want a killer Urlacher kind of guy, but if not AJ Hawk, then someone that is a playmaker/killer inside.

I think we can try Babin and Peak as pass rushing DEs in 4-3 and that Travis Johnson could probably play DE in the 4-3 (if he drops a little weight and works on his quickness/speed).

I like the idea of picking some LBs in middle/late rounds.
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Who wouldnt want Urlacher ? Or someone like him ? But you have to understand somehting here . This team is FULL OF HOLES and the coaching staff will have to prioritize them ... Wong wont cost them a fortune against the cap nor will he cost them a draft pick ... AJ Hawk is an OLB and would cost them their 1st round pick (trade down) .

Babin and Peek will be lucky to hold their roster spots if there is a FULL switch to the 4-3 . Neither are well suited for the DE position in the NFL . They were drafted as 3-4 OLB's for a reason . Travis Johnson is a possibility at DE ...
 
corrosion said:
Who wouldnt want Urlacher ? Or someone like him ? But you have to understand somehting here . This team is FULL OF HOLES and the coaching staff will have to prioritize them ... Wong wont cost them a fortune against the cap nor will he cost them a draft pick ... AJ Hawk is an OLB and would cost them their 1st round pick (trade down) .

Babin and Peek will be lucky to hold their roster spots if there is a FULL switch to the 4-3 . Neither are well suited for the DE position in the NFL . They were drafted as 3-4 OLB's for a reason . Travis Johnson is a possibility at DE ...
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Rumor has it that last year when the texans tried to get Pace, that the Rams wanted Peek as part of the deal to play DE for them. Also, another DE prospect is Ray Edwards from Purdue and came from the same high school as Peek. Edwards is 6'7" about 270 with the ability to gain weight if needed, but runs about a 4.6 still. Would be a good pick.
 
You could always pick a guy up in FA to add to that mix too if you went for a Will Witherspoon who played some MLB when Morgan was out this year for Carolina.
 
corrosion said:
Who wouldnt want Urlacher ? Or someone like him ? But you have to understand somehting here . This team is FULL OF HOLES and the coaching staff will have to prioritize them ... Wong wont cost them a fortune against the cap nor will he cost them a draft pick ... AJ Hawk is an OLB and would cost them their 1st round pick (trade down) .

Babin and Peek will be lucky to hold their roster spots if there is a FULL switch to the 4-3 . Neither are well suited for the DE position in the NFL . They were drafted as 3-4 OLB's for a reason . Travis Johnson is a possibility at DE ...
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Agree, and MLB in a 4-3 is an absolutely critical part and getting the RIGHT MLB should be one of our top priorities. I'm not sure Wong fits the Bronco model of fast LBs. I didn't get to see many games last year, but from what this board said, Wong didn't look to good either in camp or season when he played ILB. Even though different than being the man in 4-3, but still...

Another guy who could be solid is Brackett from Indy (if their cap issues allow); he would be a solid p/u if we can't draft a new MLB.

You mention Tapp (who I like also) as a DE possibility, but is he really that much different than Babin or Peak for that matter? I think if we take a triage approach to our holes, DL is in less need than MLB...my 2 cents.
 
HoustonFrog said:
You could always pick a guy up in FA to add to that mix too if you went for a Will Witherspoon who played some MLB when Morgan was out this year for Carolina.
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I like Will and he would definitely be someone we consider.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
Rumor has it that last year when the texans tried to get Pace, that the Rams wanted Peek as part of the deal to play DE for them. Also, another DE prospect is Ray Edwards from Purdue and came from the same high school as Peek. Edwards is 6'7" about 270 with the ability to gain weight if needed, but runs about a 4.6 still. Would be a good pick.
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I read somewhere that Purdue has issues with coaching, that maybe he left early because of those issues. I don't know if this has any validity, but I'll try to find that link. By the way I like Peek and think he could be a good DE even if he didn't do it every down he could be a situational PR and a solid backup.
 
corrosion said:
I like Tapp ... He's got some talent but I really think he's gonna have to convert to LB in the NFL , He's listed at 6'2" 266 but thats probably a stretch . Its tough to play DE when you are 5'11" against some of these mammoth tackles in the NFL . We will have to wait for the combine and his true measurments ....
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/position/DE/tapp-d.html



As for taking a DE in the second round ... Thats a good possibility but it really depends on what they do in round one . If they take Bush or Young that pushes the rest of their many needs down a round . I think the biggest holes are along the INTERIOR of the O-Line Center and LG to be specific . Its not likely that they find a player in the draft ready to come in and take over at center .... Thats probably better filled via FA .

But the Guard position is a different story . Depending on what type of blocking scheme they run .... I'd like to see Max Gean-Gilles , Georgia 6-4 340 in round two or Taitusi Lutui , Southern Cal 6-6 370 in round three if they run a more traditional man blocking scheme .... Both are HUGE and would be instant upgrades to Fred Weary and Milford Brown.

If they choose to stick with the Zone blocking scheme .....Mark Setterstrom , Minnesota 6-3 295 or Dan Stevenson , Notre Dame 6-6 292 would probably still be around in the 4th and 5th rounds.

There are few DE's in this draft that I really like , Mario Williams is probably the best all around DE in the draft , Mathias Kiwanuka is probably the best pass rusher but both will be taken in round One.

As for later picks ....I havent done a ton of research on them but here are a couple who will deserve a look .

Manny Lawson, North Carolina St.6' 5"/245 (3rd rnd)
Kamerion Wimbley , Florida St. 6-4 255 (3rd rnd)
Victor Adeyanju , Indiana 6' 4"/275 (4th rnd)

This team has so many holes its going to be extremely difficult to fill them all in one draft . The also need to look at the TE , WR and CB positions . Ive been trying to come up w/ a mock that could fix all their problems but its near impossible . They are going to have to be aggressive via FA as well .

A few draft links .
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/
http://condraft.com/index.php
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Thanks for the links, I totally agree with getting Setterstorm, I think they are going to stay with the zone blocking scheme. Getting a center in the later rounds isn't much of a stretch so he can be groomed, I think Hodgdon is decent so far and probably still has some upside. I agree with your assesment of the difficulty of filling all the holes, however I think we have an opportunity to fill the biggest ones this off season and be in a better overall position. No team is perfect but hopefully next season we'll be a few steps closer.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I read somewhere that Purdue has issues with coaching, that maybe he left early because of those issues. I don't know if this has any validity, but I'll try to find that link. By the way I like Peek and think he could be a good DE even if he didn't do it every down he could be a situational PR and a solid backup.
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well his issue was probably that he was their best player on D and they kept playing people in his spot. and that is why purdue has been terrible the last two years. also thats why tiller is going to get fired after this season as their coach. and its not issues with coaching, it was probably and issue with A coach.
 
I pretty much forgot about Ray Edwards when doing some mocks. I like him in the 3rd round for us if we dont get Mario in the first.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
well his issue was probably that he was their best player on D and they kept playing people in his spot. and that is why purdue has been terrible the last two years. also thats why tiller is going to get fired after this season as their coach. and its not issues with coaching, it was probably and issue with A coach.
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Thanx for clearing that up.
 
Here's a question. What if we dont get any good MLB's in free agency? Would you
A)Trade down and draft someone in the 1st.
B)Hope somebody falls to the second.
C)Stay with Wong/Greenwood and draft somebody in the 5-7th range.

I'm kinda leaning towards B. Kai Parham, McIntosh or Hodge will drop down. But even then, drafting someone in the late rounds sounds good.
 
rmartin65 said:
Here's a question. What if we dont get any good MLB's in free agency? Would you
A)Trade down and draft someone in the 1st.
B)Hope somebody falls to the second.
C)Stay with Wong/Greenwood and draft somebody in the 5-7th range.

I'm kinda leaning towards B. Kai Parham, McIntosh or Hodge will drop down. But even then, drafting someone in the late rounds sounds good.
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Greenwood can walk or get bent.

Kai and Roger should be there in the 4th or so. Hodge in the 3rd.
 
YTF I like your thinking. I never liked Greenwood and thought he was not overly good in Miami. He does not make plays, but I guess you need those solid role players just not at 5M a year. Kai and Rocky would to a lot to turn around are LB core and would give us by 07-08 something similar to Denver's current LBs, maybe not as athletic, but just as fast. Could you imagine Rocky, Parham, and Orr at the LB spots man that is a blitzing, tackling, playmaking bunch.
 
rmartin65 said:
Here's a question. What if we dont get any good MLB's in free agency? Would you
A)Trade down and draft someone in the 1st.
B)Hope somebody falls to the second.
C)Stay with Wong/Greenwood and draft somebody in the 5-7th range.

I'm kinda leaning towards B. Kai Parham, McIntosh or Hodge will drop down. But even then, drafting someone in the late rounds sounds good.
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Ill go w/ C . Wong is more than capable of filling the MLB position if they cant lure a quality FA . The bigger question to me is if he can stay healthy all season .
The holes on the offensive side OG , C ,TE or 2WR on Defense DE and 2CB are bigger issues at this point . And considering that they will more than likely take Bush that pushes the farther down in the draft . Now if they trade down its much more likely that all the holes can be filled .....

Trade down / draft Bush is a whole nother topic but its tied into how the rest of the draft will be treated .

YoungTexanFan said:
Greenwood can walk or get bent.
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I have a feeling Greenwood will be playing OLB next season ..... the contract is somewhat large so I doubt he would get cut , and there are just too many other places that need help to re-build the LB core completely to fit the 4-3 . Also I think he is better suited to a 4-3 OLB position than 3-4 ILB .
 
rmartin65 said:
Here's a question. What if we dont get any good MLB's in free agency? Would you
A)Trade down and draft someone in the 1st.
B)Hope somebody falls to the second.
C)Stay with Wong/Greenwood and draft somebody in the 5-7th range.

I'm kinda leaning towards B. Kai Parham, McIntosh or Hodge will drop down. But even then, drafting someone in the late rounds sounds good.
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A) If we could work some kind of double trade down scenario...for example trade #1 position to NO or TEN; then trade that pick down again to #5-7, we could have a shot at best defensive players, like Hawk, Mario Williams, etc. If we could get extra #2s this year and a #1 or #2 in '07, it would be worth it.
B) Not sure what MLB I'd draft at #33; however, if Bobby Carpenter is there--u betcha...probably more suited to OLB, but maybe he could play the middle.
C) Wong/Greenwood do not excite me, I guess if we don't have any other options; definitely would add a couple of LB prospects on Day 2, if neither A or B works out.
 
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