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Minnesota Vikings: Percy Harvin Could Be Traded

Man, Percy Harvin and Darelle Revis are available for trade this offseason. A team like Denver or SF trading for either of them would be interesting. I'd like the Texans to get Harvin if possible, but I don't see it happening. The 49ers have the caproom to trade for both, and after seeing them waste a 1st round pick last year on AJ Jenkins, I would think it would be best to trade for a proven guy like Harvin. If they spent a 2nd and 4th on Harvin, and their 1st on Revis, they would have a very good chance of winning it all next year.
 
First off I would love to have Harvin. I do have concerns about attitude but would take the gamble on that. But the compensation in picks and money is just outside the Texans' reach.

HoustonFrog said:
Love this guy. His injury concerns are way overblown as up until last year he had only missed one game due to the migraines. 2 years back he was the most productive WR in the league the 2nd half of the year and started the same last year until the injury. The guy is incredibly talented.
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Not sure where you get the bold. Double what he was doing last year and you don't get close to AJ or CJ. Harvin has never topped 1000 yds receiving. AJ had a better rookie year than any Harvin has had so far and that was with Carr throwing to him.

I'd like to have him on the team but I think he is and will be dramatically over valued.
 
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infantrycak said:
I'd like to have him on the team but I think he is and will be dramatically over valued.
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I feel exactly the same way. But if we end up not getting him, I bet it's going to serve as proof that Bob is Cheap.

Nevermind that there is a hard cap. Bob's Cheap.


& that's just sad.
 
If the FO can't land him, I don't think that'll be an indictment of them seeing as Harvin is going to be targeted by other teams.

As for whether they should, I've been mocking Quinton Patton to Houston in the second a bunch, and getting Harvin would basically mean getting a more experienced Patton right away.

If we can't bring him in, we save some cap space and draft picks. If we do, that's one crucial missing piece filled. Going to be interesting to see where he lands this offseason.
 
infantrycak said:
First off I would love to have Harvin. I do have concerns about attitude but would take the gamble on that. But the compensation in picks and money is just outside the Texans' reach.



Not sure where you get the bold. Double what he was doing last year and you don't get close to AJ or CJ. Harvin has never topped 1000 yds receiving. AJ had a better rookie year than any Harvin has had so far and that was with Carr throwing to him.

I'd like to have him on the team but I think he is and will be dramatically over valued.
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Players always seem to be just outside othe Texans reach. Which one is it? If he would make the team better I'm would be all for signing Harvin up. Overvalued is in the eye of the beholder.

BTW, after reading Docs post on Harvins injury history I would pass on him.

But it appears the Pats are going to try to trade for Harvin. We're chasing the Pats, does them getting Harvin and the Texans put them farther ahead of the Texans?

See, the thing is teams like the Pats either, A manage their cap better or B are willing to take chances the Texans are not. This explains part of the difference between the 2 orgs. The Texans say they want to emulate the Pats org. But do they really? Because their actions aren't ringing true to their words. They operate nothing like the Pats.
 
TheIronDuke said:
Brought up 3 days ago, thread is in the NFL section where it belongs.
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I think it's OK being here since this is a discussion of him possibly fitting in with the Texans.

The Texans do need someone else for sure. I don't know enough about this guy (besides him being a good player) to give an educated opinion. Has he had any off the field issues or locker room issues?
 
Hookem Horns said:
I think it's OK being here since this is a discussion of him possibly fitting in with the Texans.

The Texans do need someone else for sure. I don't know enough about this guy (besides him being a good player) to give an educated opinion. Has he had any off the field issues or locker room issues?
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How about we just have a free agency thread in the NFL section where every free agent is discussed? These threads always end up being about how he would fit on the Texans anyways, might as well clean this place up and corral the discussion. 99% of these guys don't even get an offer from us anyways, so what's it matter?
 
Dutchrudder said:
How about we just have a free agency thread in the NFL section where every free agent is discussed? These threads always end up being about how he would fit on the Texans anyways, might as well clean this place up and corral the discussion. 99% of these guys don't even get an offer from us anyways, so what's it matter?
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I'd like an entire Free Agency SUB FORUM in the NFL section for that matter.

Make as many threads about as many free agents as a person's heart is set upon for all I care, just round it all up and put it in one spot and get it out of the general discussion area and out of the NFL general discussion area too while we're at it.

The standing rule for the free agent threads in that forum would be that once a thread is created once for a player, it becomes an All Encompassing Percy Harvin thread. This way you can keep Percy Harvin discussions in one thread in one Free Agent forum...so that the discussion can be tracked each time he's a free agent (making it easy to go back and see what was said about him, to see the flow of the thread from one period to the next of his free agency transactions). If a person starts another Percy Harvin thread, it gets dumped into the All Encompassing Percy Harvin thread that already exists. Magic.

If Mock Drafts forum(s) exists, why not make a Free Agent forum too?
 
There's just a few too many voices in Viking-land unanimously urging Harvin's ouster for my liking. It's not like they have anything behind him.

That & $30 million guaranteed makes it a 'no' for me.
 
Rey said:
"nobody" wanted jacoby jones here either.
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I think it's pretty obvious why people didn't want Jacoby, however I'm not so sure why they don't want Percy. If it's simply an attitude thing or maybe he just doesn't like his coach, then I'm OK with it. That's all it seems to be to me, so I'm good with him. And for the record, I wouldn't mind having a guy like Brandon Marshall on the team either, because talent will trump interpersonal issues.
 
Dutchrudder said:
And for the record, I wouldn't mind having a guy like Brandon Marshall on the team either, because talent will trump interpersonal issues.
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Totally depends on the coach. There are some guys who just need to not poke the bear.
 
badboy said:
Hook'em done said NO! Anyways what's the biggie? My eyes get just as tired no matter where the posts are. Often the title tells what thread is about and if you don't want to read ....:fingergun:
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There was no mention before of "merging" the thread here ........just of not "moving" the thread to the NFL section. Most of the NFL-based thread has been how it relates to the Texans anyway. Merging would just make the subject more complete and compact, with much more continuity, and with much less chance of duplication of facts/thoughts. If this merger doesn't happen, I can and will adapt and read the NFL thread with my left eye while reading the Texans Talk thread with my right.:D
 
In my opinion No! The Texans go out of there way to avoid players with attitude problems like Harvin. Would he be a great fit schematically? Yes. But I Can also see Harvin yelling at Kubiak on the sideline when he is not involved in the gameplan and is the 4th option behind Arian, Andre and Owen.
 
Why does everyone think the Texans can/should go after every big name FA available?

Do they really think the Texans have the $$$ to sign any big players? Let alone an injury-prone niche player?
 
I like the thought of making this move. I think Percy could really stretch defenses and give us a legit second outside threat, which this offense border desperately needs.
 
Goldensilence said:
I like the thought of making this move. I think Percy could really stretch defenses and give us a legit second outside threat, which this offense border desperately needs.
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What is it about Harvin that makes you think he is capable of either stretching the field, or threaten a defense on the outside?

Don't get me wrong, I think Harvin is a dynamic player & I'd love to see him in a Texans uni next year, but if you think this offense needs a deep threat or a major weapon on the edge, Harvin is not that guy.
 
Quick II Draw said:
Why does everyone think the Texans can/should go after every big name FA available?

Do they really think the Texans have the $$$ to sign any big players? Let alone an injury-prone niche player?
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He's not a free agent. Wed have to get him through trade and he still has a year left on his rookie deal.

He'd likely be looking for a new contract here, but you're pretty much off base in regards to having the money to get him.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I think it's pretty obvious why people didn't want Jacoby...
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Well, my point was jacoby was perceived to be a screw up knuckle head. And that might still be the case...but a team took him in and got enough out of him to help them win a superbowl.

Everyone wants a big upgrade at wr, but no one wants to take a risk. We are trying to get a bargain due to our cap problems. If the guy is as talented as Harvin with no issues he's going to cost a lot more to get if he's even available.
 
Rey said:
He's not a free agent. Wed have to get him through trade and he still has a year left on his rookie deal.

He'd likely be looking for a new contract here, but you're pretty much off base in regards to having the money to get him.
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The rumor is that the Vikings are expecting him to hold out. So the thinking is if we were to trade for him, he'll most likely not play for the remainder of his contract.

While I do believe he will hold out if we trade for him, I don't think he would hold out if he were traded to a true contender, San Francisco or New England
 
thunderkyss said:
The rumor is that the Vikings are expecting him to hold out. So the thinking is if we were to trade for him, he'll most likely not play for the remainder of his contract.

While I do believe he will hold out if we trade for him, I don't think he would hold out if he were traded to a true contender, San Francisco or New England
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Yeah, I'm up to speed, but I'm not sure if he'd hold out wherever he was traded. There's other issues in minny besides money...his playing time has been a problem for him ...he wanted to reach certain incentives in his contract and he felt like he wasn't being allowed to do so by being taken off the field too often....

But if we traded for him I think it'd be a non issue because I think they'd try to extend him. And he can afford to hold out in minnesotta through camp and pre season or whatever...he knows the plays there...he has proven himself as a player in that locker room...

Can you imagine how difficult hed make it on himself by being traded and then holding out?

He has to be smarter than that....right? Seems like he'd have more to lose in that situation than gain...
 
Rey said:
He's not a free agent. Wed have to get him through trade and he still has a year left on his rookie deal.

He'd likely be looking for a new contract here, but you're pretty much off base in regards to having the money to get him.
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Yep, and he's making life diffucult for the Vikings because he wants to be paid. The Vikings dont want to pay him which is why Harvin is on the block.

Pay him and there wont be any problems. He smoked pot to help him with his migranes. They figured out how to help control them and Harvin has been pot free since.
 
badboy said:
Hook'em done said NO!
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I don't have a problem with anyone merging the thread. BTW, I only pay the bills here. I am not a mod. I like to let them do their job and stay out of the way.

I just voiced my opinion that I thought discussing the pros/cons of Harvin being a Texan was ok in the Texans section.

:)
 
Rey said:
Can you imagine how difficult hed make it on himself by being traded and then holding out?

He has to be smarter than that....right? Seems like he'd have more to lose in that situation than gain...
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I don't know what half these guys are thinking, but I'm sure if Houston was interested & initiated talks with Minnesota, they'd be given access to Harvin's agent to find out.

But, chances are he'll want a big contract (don't know how big) & that becomes an issue with our cap situation.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't know what half these guys are thinking, but I'm sure if Houston was interested & initiated talks with Minnesota, they'd be given access to Harvin's agent to find out.

But, chances are he'll want a big contract (don't know how big) & that becomes an issue with our cap situation.
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I'm not a cap expert, but wouldn't that be a next off season problem?

Even if you extend him, that big cap hit wouldn't come until next season right?

If that is correct, there are other things that can be done between that time to make sure he fits under the cap...
 
Rey said:
I'm not a cap expert, but wouldn't that be a next off season problem?

Even if you extend him, that big cap hit wouldn't come until next season right?

If that is correct, there are other things that can be done between that time to make sure he fits under the cap...
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Depends on the deal. Harvin wants to get paid now. If we extend him, it will be with a bonus. Depending on the amount of the bonus, the length of his contract, & his 2013 salary his cap hit for 2013 can be $10M

If he's looking for $5M-$8M/yr, I think it would be possible to structure it so that he has a $3M-$5M 2013 cap hit & even that will be a chore for the Texans to get under the cap.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I just voiced my opinion that I thought discussing the pros/cons of Harvin being a Texan was ok in the Texans section.

:)
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These guys know the rules regarding where to put threads. News about Texan players go into the Texans forum. News about other NFL players go into the NFL. forum. We would have 50 threads about every NFL free agent (or in this case a trade rumor), if we opened up that door.

If it were a piece from a legitimate news source that mentioned the Texans interest, then that would be Texans news. But, this is just a blog from a fan site. He will probably have a piece on Mike Wallace and how he fits with the Texans next week. Rank speculation.

The team that trades for Harvin will need to sign him to a long term deal. Or face the problems the Vikings have had with Harvin's attitude. The Texans are not in a cap position to make a deal like that. So that is how Harvin fits. He doesn't fit.
 
Lucky's right...on all accounts. Thread really belongs in the NFL section and no way we are gonna see Harvin here.
 
Harvin could be a double asset meaning HOU needs a another impact WR and possibly keeping that asset away from a AFC rival as in NE. A lot of talk about NE going after Harvin so HOU needs to help themself while hurting NE IMO.
 
Why is it that the Pats seem to always have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

Do Rick/Olsen have a clue about the cap?
 
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steelbtexan said:
Why is it that the Pats seem to aleays have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

Do Rick/Olsen have a clue about the cap?
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I still think they took a chance & gambled that the cap was going to go up last season. They were wrong & had to make some tough choices. They's still paying for that gamble.

It's kinda funny when people say we don't take chances, when the fact is most of the ones we do backfire in our faces.
 
thunderkyss said:
I still think they took a chance & gambled that the cap was going to go up last season. They were wrong & had to make some tough choices. They's still paying for that gamble.

It's kinda funny when people say we don't take chances, when the fact is most of the ones we do backfire in our faces.
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Backfiring in their face means they've got the wrong people calling the shots.

I'm looking at you Smoothe Ricky
 
steelbtexan said:
Why is it that the Pats seem to aleays have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?
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They have a very smart and strategically-oriented front office. They don't get caught having paid huge contracts in advance of proven performance that restrict them. The have a "get it done" attitude and take intelligent, measured risks with low downside. They have conviction that they can take a talented player that has had some controversy and inspire him to want to win.

Closer to home, we hear "they can't", "they won't", and "they don't".....as in sign a player like Harvin. If we don't even show an interest in him, I hope signs on with an AFC team.
 
I don't understand why New England wouldn't just keep Welker, he's shown that he can & will do what ever they ask & he just keeps getting better.
 
thunderkyss said:
What is it about Harvin that makes you think he is capable of either stretching the field, or threaten a defense on the outside?

Don't get me wrong, I think Harvin is a dynamic player & I'd love to see him in a Texans uni next year, but if you think this offense needs a deep threat or a major weapon on the edge, Harvin is not that guy.
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AJ is still a viable deep threat and I think Harvin still have the speed and elusiveness to be effective outside, but I think he'd be better suited being moved around creating mismatch opportunities and breaking short crossing passes into something much bigger. While Martin is shifty enough in the slot I still am not sure he has the ability to break away from defenders the way Harvin can.

At any rate this offense could use ANYONE more dynamic at WR.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't understand why New England wouldn't just keep Welker, he's shown that he can & will do what ever they ask & he just keeps getting better.
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Umm, I'm going to guess Harvin and Welker want about the same $$$$ and BB thinks Harvin is better. They've come close with to winning a SB with a Brady to Welker combo. They think Brady to Harvin is better and will be enough to win a SB. Will it happen, who knows? But I like that the Pats are willing to take chances. Unlike my favorite team.
 
BullBlitz said:
They have a very smart and strategically-oriented front office. They don't get caught having paid huge contracts in advance of proven performance that restrict them. The have a "get it done" attitude and take intelligent, measured risks with low downside. They have conviction that they can take a talented player that has had some controversy and inspire him to want to win.

Closer to home, we hear "they can't", "they won't", and "they don't".....as in sign a player like Harvin. If we don't even show an interest in him, I hope signs on with an AFC team.
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That's one way to put it. LOL

Good answer
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't understand why New England wouldn't just keep Welker, he's shown that he can & will do what ever they ask & he just keeps getting better.
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Good stats and production aside, I still remember the Super Bowl against the Giants on what would have likely been a game-winning, first down catch that he just dropped. I'd rather have Percy Harvin instead of Wes Welker right now despite what the numbers say. The only numbers that matter to me are 31 years old versus 24 years old. I want a guy who will be around a longer time.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why is it that the Pats seem to always have cap room to make moves like Harvin and the Texans are always so cap strapped?

Do Rick/Olsen have a clue about the cap?
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The Patriots aren't paying a WR the kind of $$$ that Andre Johnson gets. They're not paying a RB what Arian Foster gets. Or a CB or Safety what Joseph and Manning get. Yeah, they're paying a QB franchise type money. So are the Texans.

I'm not defending the Texans management. Just pointing out that the Texans have more players making big bucks, which is why the Pats have more cap flexibility.
 
Lucky said:
The Patriots aren't paying a WR the kind of $$$ that Andre Johnson gets. They're not paying a RB what Arian Foster gets. Or a CB or Safety what Joseph and Manning get. Yeah, they're paying a QB franchise type money. So are the Texans.

I'm not defending the Texans management. Just pointing out that the Texans have more players making big bucks, which is why the Pats have more cap flexibility.
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Schaub played 18 games in 2012. Andre played 18 games in 2012.

As you noted above, the Texans are paying franchise QB type money to Schaub, and big dollars to Andre, both of whom are Pro Bowlers.

Net result for this investment: 4 TDs.

I have nothing bad to say about Andre Johnson. But what kind of offensive coaching wastes this kind of money?
 
Bulls on Parade said:
The only numbers that matter to me are 31 years old versus 24 years old. I want a guy who will be around a longer time.
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It's not likely that either receiver will play for the Patriots 10 years from now. They'll probably sign him for 5-6 years, but the next 3 is all that really matters. If he doesn't perform over the next 3, chances he'll be cut before the final two.

So the only years that matter, are the next three.

Welker may very well have peaked. Harvin may peak in the next three.

I'm not saying there is a clear cut right choice, but I don't thin their ages make it a no brainer.


Another thing, the way the Randy Moss experiment ended, & the Ocho Cinco debacle, I'm not so sure the Patriots would be interested.
 
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