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Mike Mayock 2014 NFL Draft

I've been a big Mayock guy for quite a while, but I can admit, his in depth scouting has dropped off significantly this year. Maybe it's due to doing more NFL games this past season? I'm not sure.

That said, I'll still be watching he and the rest of the NFLN crew on draft day. Watching espn and their two draft "experts" is liken to scrapping fingernails on a chalkboard. I'm not sure I'd watch the draft if NFLN wasn't around.
 
3/3
quarterback
1. Teddy bridgewater, louisville
2. Johnny manziel, texas a&m
3. Blake bortles, central florida
4. Derek carr, fresno state
t5. Aj mccarron, alabama
t5. Jimmy garoppolo, eastern illinois
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4/28
quarterback
1. Johnny manziel, texas a&m
2. Blake bortles, central florida
3. Derek carr, fresno state
4. Jimmy garoppolo, eastern illinois
t-5. Zach mettenberger, lsu
t-5. Teddy bridgewater, louisville
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Once again, Mayock may be a pundit, but he's no scout.

Teddy didn't suddenly get worse. Mayock is regurgitating a composite of OTHER opinions (wherever they may come from) and selling it as his own evaluation. That's not an evaluation, it's called averaging.
 
disaacks3 said:
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4/28


Once again, Mayock may be a pundit, but he's no scout.

Teddy didn't suddenly get worse. Mayock is regurgitating a composite of OTHER opinions (wherever they may come from) and selling it as his own evaluation. That's not an evaluation, it's called averaging.
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This gets back to my whole issue of what these guys are supposed to be reporting.

Are they supposed to come up with a draft board that reflects their grades on how good they think players are... divorced from scheme?

Are they supposed to come up with 32 draft boards so they can figure out which players are going to go where?

Are they supposed to be telling us which teams appear to like which players so they can figure out where those players are going to go?

Are they supposed to be telling us which players they like for which teams?

Each one of those things is a totally and completely different thing requiring entirely different information. AND, I don't think any team actually has their own board set into stone at this point, so trying to determine what a particular team's board looks like is doomed to failure. And if a particular team is still figuring out their boards with all the people they have available, all the eyes they have looking at this, all the money they're pouring into it, can we really blame a guy who's got a much smaller staff working on it for changing his mind and not being all things to all people?
 
disaacks3 said:
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4/28


Once again, Mayock may be a pundit, but he's no scout.

Teddy didn't suddenly get worse. Mayock is regurgitating a composite of OTHER opinions (wherever they may come from) and selling it as his own evaluation. That's not an evaluation, it's called averaging.
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Mayock sitting at the NFLN desk excused himself so he could go down on the field and witness up close and personal Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel first hand. He personally eye balled each and every one of them. When the workout was over he came back on the air and gave his opinion of each of the players performance. I don't think that falls under regurgitating others opinions. As for Mayock he grew up a coaches son, played at Boston College and played professionally for 3 years. He's been doing this his whole life.
 
Texian said:
Mayock sitting at the NFLN desk excused himself so he could go down on the field and witness up close and personal Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel first hand. He personally eye balled each and every one of them. When the workout was over he came back on the air and gave his opinion of each of the players performance. I don't think that falls under regurgitating others opinions. As for Mayock he grew up a coaches son, played at Boston College and played professionally for 3 years. He's been doing this his whole life.
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So, what was that opinion based off of on 3/3? Oh that's right, he hasn't even watched 4 games worth of tape on the kid by his own admission.

He was telling the world how Teddy's Pro Day had gone...while it was going on behind him!

There was a time when what Mayock said might have been worth something, that time has passed. What Mayock may have ONCE been, he is no more. His day job these days is a talking head I take only slightly more seriously than Kiper.

Face it, it's no longer HIS board, it's a running averaged tally of what he's hearing from others.
 
disaacks3 said:
So, what was that opinion based off of on 3/3? Oh that's right, he hasn't even watched 4 games worth of tape on the kid by his own admission.

He was telling the world how Teddy's Pro Day had gone...while it was going on behind him!

There was a time when what Mayock said might have been worth something, that time has passed. What Mayock may have ONCE been, he is no more. His day job these days is a talking head I take only slightly more seriously than Kiper.

Face it, it's no longer HIS board, it's a running averaged tally of what he's hearing from others.
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Negative Ghost Rider!

FYI - most coaches and scouts only watch 3-4 games of a players top competition. Contrary to popular belief they don't watch every game of a players college and high school career. It's physically impossible to do such a task on 500 players. You can do the math.
 
I like to watch a player's two best games and two worst games so four games isn't crazy to me.

What I don't like about Mayock is that he says that game tape is 85% of the process and combines and pro days are the other 15%, but then he absolutely kills a guy for being great at the 85% and bad at the 15%.

I don't care if he likes Bridgewater or not. But don't make a statement like that and then totally contradict it with your "rankings".
 
bah007 said:
I like to watch a player's two best games and two worst games so four games isn't crazy to me.

What I don't like about Mayock is that he says that game tape is 85% of the process and combines and pro days are the other 15%, but then he absolutely kills a guy for being great at the 85% and bad at the 15%.

I don't care if he likes Bridgewater or not. But don't make a statement like that and then totally contradict it with your "rankings".
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Sometimes that 15% can be THE difference maker. That's why they have a Combine and Pro days. In TB's case the Pro Day confirmed and verified many of the questions a number of folks said they had from watching TB games and tape. Completely understandable for many, for those in love with Teddy, not so much.
 
Texian said:
Sometimes that 15% can be THE difference maker. That's why they have a Combine and Pro days. In TB's case the Pro Day confirmed and verified many of the questions a number of folks said they had from watching TB games and tape. Completely understandable for many, for those in love with Teddy, not so much.
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I like Teddy a lot, but very rarely do I fall in love with a prospect. You're not going to get very far with me with that argument.

The 15% was enough for me to drop Bridgewater behind Bortles in my rankings. I understand the concerns about him. You and I have clashed enough times on this board to understand that the other guy may not always be right, but he does at least know what he is talking about.

My point is that it takes a lot more than 15% to drop a guy from 1st all the way to 6th. If Mayock would just admit that I would be fine with his opinion. There was a time when Mayock was a guy who would stand on his own opinion. That time has passed. His rankings used to look drastically different from everybody else. Now they look exactly the same.

The reason for that? I don't know. He's a busy man these days. Perhaps he doesn't have the time to do the amount of research that he used to. Or perhaps his hard work has given him a reputation that makes him untouchable, so he has decided to slide back toward the average and avoiding taking risks? Whatever the case, if you put his board next to Kiper's and McShay's you wouldn't be able to tell which is his.
 
Texian said:
Negative Ghost Rider!

FYI - most coaches and scouts only watch 3-4 games of a players top competition. Contrary to popular belief they don't watch every game of a players college and high school career. It's physically impossible to do such a task on 500 players. You can do the math.
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Maverick still requesting flyby - Some do and some don't. It depends on the player and position of need. They will definitely watch more tape of "top" prospects.

The Do's
Jeremiah went more in-depth on the process with fellow former Seahawks and Panthers scout Bucky Brooks on their CFB 24/7 podcast recently, expounding on the method to the madness of trying to land on a grade. "A lot of times when we'd get a discussion on a player," he said, "we would go up to the whiteboard, go around the room and say, okay, 'Which games did you watch? Which games did you watch?' Then literally, the director in the room would be like, ‘Okay, Bucky, why don't you go watch these four late-season games, D.J., you need to go watch these three games you missed early in the year. Let's come back together and see if we can't figure this guy out. We got to get him right, we got to get him where he belongs."

That's a classic methodology developed by Ozzie Newsome, the Ravens' highly-respected and preeminent scout-GM. However, as Bucky Brooks relates, that's certainly not universal from team to team.

The Don'ts
"It's funny," Brooks says, "when I worked in Seattle -- and the Green Bay Packers did this with Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf -- when we had these pre-Combine meetings, we would go in at the end of January, we would sit in this room, we'd pop on the tape, Kony Ealy (for example), and we would watch, as a group, three games. At the end of watching three games, as a unit, we would then decide where that player would go on the board."
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disaacks3 said:
Maverick still requesting flyby - Some do and some don't. It depends on the player and position of need. They will definitely watch more tape of "top" prospects.

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FTR - I don't follow or read Brooks or Jeremiah. Both have illustrated quite well why they're no longer scouts and have resorted to talking and writing heads. In Jeremiah's case he had 3 jobs in 6 years. That kind of resume goes straight in my trash can. They do know all the lexicon, definitions, scout talk, drills and their purpose. Unfortunately they don't have an eye for the talent and why they're no longer scouts. They weren't very good at it.

That said, your quotes indicate that they watched 3-4 games and only watched more when directed by the GM to do so. Still the average number of games a scout or coach will watch of an average player will be 3-4 games. There is an exception for 1st picks when there is more scrutiny at stake.

It's understandable that many have become upset with Mayock because he had some not so nice things to say about Teddy. Many have now turned on Mayock for downgrading Teddy. Also understandable is Mayock would be the GREATEST if he announced that Teddy is the next best thing to Andrew Luck. He didn't. However, if Mayock has resorted to copy catting, regurgitating, parroting or simply repeating what all the others have to say, as some have accused, why is Mayock one of the few saying what he's saying about Teddy. If Mayock was truly resorting to becoming all of the above, then everyone would be saying what Mayock is saying about Teddy. They're not! It appears that Mayock is not who many of you think he is.
 
Texian said:
That said, your quotes indicate that they watched 3-4 games and only watched more when directed by the GM to do so. Still the average number of games a scout or coach will watch of an average player will be 3-4 games. There is an exception for 1st picks when there is more scrutiny at stake.
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Thanks for making my point...again.


You're mistaking my taking Mayock to task for player preference. Teddy was simply a high-profile example. Nobody should go from #1 at their position (not to mention potential 1:1 overall) to #5/#6 in 8 weeks without some sort of major disaster. We're not talking mediocre Pro Day, we're talking hit-and-run, felony drug possession, broke their leg, shattered their knee, etc.

Since that didn't happen, either A) Mayock didn't do his homework to begin with or...B) He's regurgitating what he's hearing now from others around the league who might actually have done theirs.

Mayock simply isn't who you think he is, the rest of us are fine.:kitten:
 
bah007 said:
My point is that it takes a lot more than 15% to drop a guy from 1st all the way to 6th.
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I don't know. If you believe what OB said, that there are 10 guys that are really close, I can see a QB falling quite a bit in a draft like this... I believe there are 5 QBs in this draft with a first round grade, another 4 with a 2nd round grade. There are going to be some really good QBs available in the later rounds.

bah007 said:
If Mayock would just admit that I would be fine with his opinion.
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Agree. Totally agree. I couldn't see Bridgewater as the #1 overall QB with the questions I had. I said so. Shouldn't have been too hard for Mayock to say what he felt as well.

Having Bridgewater rated as the best QB in this class, then mocking him at #1 overall with no other QB going in the top 10 (way back when), doesn't sound like he believes the QBs in this class are close at all.
 
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