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Michigan vs Texas and ...wth?

Round 2...
Huge, the issue is that many feel that the Pac-10 as a whole is a weak conference, so weak, that the beloved saviors of the Big12 (UT) lost to the 3rd best team in the Pac-10 last year in the Holiday Bowl. Historically, many from the Midwest/South & East have said that West Coast schools are weak. If so, why is it that UT lost last year to a Pac-10 team? Especially when Pac-10 teams are supposed to be very weak...what does that make UT?
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I still fail to see the relevance of UT losing to Wazzu last year and the PAC-10 being a weak conference this year. They had just 3 teams finish with more than 7 wins, Mike...3 teams. Do you really believe that the same Wazzu team that went 10-3 and beat Texas last year is the same team that went 5-6 this year? I'd really like to hear you explain how.

It is relevant to today because someone said that UT would whip CAL if they played. So my suggestion is that P10 schools aren't as weak as you think, especially one that barely lost (on the road) to USC (#1 team). UT almost lost to Arkansas & Kansas! Those teams are very vanilla, how would UT's D be able to deal with CAL's arsenal (Arrington, Rodgers & MacArthur)?
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I can only say I'd disagree with the notion that Texas would whip Cal because I don't share that belief. But I also think it works both ways. What makes the Cal supporters so sure they'd romp Texas? UT held OU's arsenal to 12 points. I have no reason to believe they couldn't do the same with Cal.

Whatever happened to the original format of the BCS.... where each Bowl picked its teams? I guess after the Oregon St/Notre Dame Fiesta Bowl (the time that people really brought up how weak the PAC-10 is-- only to have the Beavers beat the Irish 40+ to 9!) alot of changes had to be made?
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It's still in use. Because the Rose Bowl lost their team (USC) to the BCS title game (and because USC was the highest ranked BSC team), the Rose Bowl got the first pick of which team they wanted to replace out of the 2 at-large teams (they picked Texas). Fiesta followed up with Utah after they lost their team (OU).

So many arguments, so little time. Oh well, I guess all of that #1 ranked recruiting has finally paid off for Macky....what a waste of talent! Although he did get Greg Robinson as D-C, where did he come from??? Oh that's right, KC Chiefs......wow, he must be a defensive genius....KC did not even want him. Funny how it takes 2 DCs to help the horns!
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Is is just as funny that OU has had 2 defensive coordinators over the past 4 seasons?

BTW, KC's defensive ranking this year - 30th. That's quite an improvement after getting rid of the guy they didn't want.
 
MikeMc said:
Whatever happened to the original format of the BCS.... where each Bowl picked its teams? I guess after the Oregon St/Notre Dame Fiesta Bowl (the time that people really brought up how weak the PAC-10 is-- only to have the Beavers beat the Irish 40+ to 9!) alot of changes had to be made?
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Here are basically the rules:

1. The #1 and #2 teams in the BCS rankings play one another. That rule overrides all others.

2. No more than 2 teams from the same conference can go to a BCS game.

3. The 6 conference winners from the BCS conferences (Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, Big East, SEC) automatically go (the lone exception is if the #1 and #2 ranked teams are at-large teams from the same conference)

4. Any non-BCS teams ranked #6 or better get an automatic at-large bid, if any remain.

5. A #3 ranked BCS conference at-large team gets an automatic bid, if any remain.

6. A #4 ranked BCS conference at-large team gets an automatic bid, if any remain.

7. If there are any remaining at-large bids, a bowl may choose from any team ranked in the top 12 in the BCS rankings.

The past 2 years the #7 option has not been available because both of the at-large bids. They have had a fixed set of teams to choose from.
 
MikeMc said:
Um, they would use the other 3 divisions in NCAA for a playoff format...not the NFL.

Dom, I guess you have never heard about the PAC-10 being a weak conference? Did you just discover that thing with the buttons and screen (TV)? No access to an AM radio? It is not something new to NCAA this year, it has always been around (thinking the PAC-10 is weak).

Traditions suck, I guess. I wonder if the Rose Bowl is going to pull out of the BCS. They are like Notre Dame, they do not need the BCS....they could keep the PAC-10 & Big-10 champs and both the conferences & PAC-10 people will be happy.
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Yes, Mike, I know the PAC-10 has been accused of overrated before. The problem is that if you prove that you aren't overrated one year (like the PAC-10 did last year), it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be overrated the next year. They are independent of each other.

If the Rose Bowl wants to pull out of the BCS, go ahead. I just hope you understand that Cal still isn't in the Rose Bowl even if you do that.
 
Yet somehow I feel that if/when Texas wins, you'll find some other way to spin it instead of recognizing their rightful place.
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I and many others on here are not say that UT sucks and shouldn't even go to a bowl game. what we are not saying that they don't deserve to be there, i am saying that Cal deserves just as much if not more. also, as a football fan, i think cal vs. michigan would be a better matchup.

also, what really hurt cal was the hurricane. the game was suppose to be played in early september. if the game is played as scheduled, no notices, but because the game was moved back and everyone was talking about how cal had to blow them out or they might lose their spot in the BCS. they won and they got punished.
 
MikeMc said:
When it comes down to it, you play the teams you are scheduled. CAL played its schedule better than UT..end of story.
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Unfortunately, it's not about what you do on the field, it's about money. Texas is in the Rose Bowl because the BIG 12 coaches flipped their vote to Texas from Cal the previous week with some voting Texas ahead of Auburn. That's undefeated Auburn!! Not only that, they voted Cal as low as 8TH to ensure those Big 12 schools got that Rose Bowl money.

That's why the system (BcS) needs to die today. Not only is it a joke, and not a very funny one, it's also crooked.
 
Speedy said:
Unfortunately, it's not about what you do on the field, it's about money. Texas is in the Rose Bowl because the BIG 12 coaches flipped their vote to Texas from Cal the previous week with some voting Texas ahead of Auburn. That's undefeated Auburn!! Not only that, they voted Cal as low as 8TH to ensure those Big 12 schools got that Rose Bowl money.

That's why the system (BcS) needs to die today. Not only is it a joke, and not a very funny one, it's also crooked.
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Actually here is the rankings it does not bear out what you suggest.
http://aolsvc.cnnsi.sports.aol.com/football/ncaa/polls/2004/bcs/
If you look you will see that both AP and coachs poll had Cal 4th and Texas 6th and 5th, it was the computers that leapfrogged Texas over Cal.
Of course I do agree that the current system is total BS.
:bouncey:
 
axman40 said:
Actually here is the rankings it does not bear out what you suggest.
http://aolsvc.cnnsi.sports.aol.com/football/ncaa/polls/2004/bcs/
If you look you will see that both AP and coachs poll had Cal 4th and Texas 6th and 5th, it was the computers that leapfrogged Texas over Cal.
Of course I do agree that the current system is total BS.
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I won't claim to understand the whole thing, but evidently there are 4th's and there are 4th's--Orwell would have a field day. Cal was 4th overall, but their 4th wasn't as strong on the last vote because some coaches and/or reporters switched votes and that accounted for the swap more than the computers did.
 
Speedy said:
Unfortunately, it's not about what you do on the field, it's about money. Texas is in the Rose Bowl because the BIG 12 coaches flipped their vote to Texas from Cal the previous week with some voting Texas ahead of Auburn. That's undefeated Auburn!! Not only that, they voted Cal as low as 8TH to ensure those Big 12 schools got that Rose Bowl money.

That's why the system (BcS) needs to die today. Not only is it a joke, and not a very funny one, it's also crooked.
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That's a nice conspiracy theory... too bad it doesn't hold up. If the coaches poll is held exactly the same as the previous week, Texas would still be in the BCS. This is a fact. It's not to say that Big 12 coaches should be excused if they did this - it's obviously a bad practice - but it was not the reason Texas got to the BCS.
 
Wolf said:
I am thinking the rose bowl probably saved Mack Browns job.

At least this season we are getting a return (rose bowl money) on a coach making millions a year. (I was hearing that he was making 2.5 milllion but not sure)
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Mack Brown has a contract signed until 2011. He is the first coach in texas history to post two 11 win seasons in a row. He is not going anywhere for a long time. Think Joe Paterno.
 
Speedy said:
Unfortunately, it's not about what you do on the field, it's about money. Texas is in the Rose Bowl because the BIG 12 coaches flipped their vote to Texas from Cal the previous week with some voting Texas ahead of Auburn. That's undefeated Auburn!! Not only that, they voted Cal as low as 8TH to ensure those Big 12 schools got that Rose Bowl money.

That's why the system (BcS) needs to die today. Not only is it a joke, and not a very funny one, it's also crooked.
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And to point out more of your corruption. Neal McCready of the Mobile register had texas ranked 9th the week before.

Most coaches didnt move texas ahead of Cal, they just moved them ahead of Utah. The AP pollsters still did. Cal was clearly leading in both human polls, texas made up ground taking votes from Utah.
 
Speedy said:
Unfortunately, it's not about what you do on the field, it's about money. Texas is in the Rose Bowl because the BIG 12 coaches flipped their vote to Texas from Cal the previous week with some voting Texas ahead of Auburn. That's undefeated Auburn!! Not only that, they voted Cal as low as 8TH to ensure those Big 12 schools got that Rose Bowl money.

That's why the system (BcS) needs to die today. Not only is it a joke, and not a very funny one, it's also crooked.
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I am a Texas fan and I think they had as much of a right as Cal to be #4 in the BCS. I agree the coaches manipulated the system. If the coaches had to disclose their picks, it would help eleviate this from happening.

Lets not let the media off of the hook though. I think most people here would argue that Texas and Cal are close and each should be either #4 or #5 in the polls. The media apparently wanted Cal in the Rose Bowl so they placed Utah right between Cal and Texas. How can you really justify that? I could see someone voting for Utah as #4 and dropping Texas AND Cal below them, but how can you justify splitting Cal and Texas with Utah? INCONCEIVABLE.

Personally I think Utah, Texas, and Cal should all have been in the BCS. They need to revoke the Big East automatic bid now that Miami, Virginia Tech, and BC have left. Pittsburgh should never have gotten in.

Next year there are 10 BCS slots. That should help a bit.
 
10 BCS slots? Where do the other 2 come from?? Is that the "4 + 1" scenario?

Joe Paterno?? Come on, do you even know what PennSt was before JoePa? Not a damn thing! Do you know what UT was before Mack Brown?? Ever hear of this guy with DKR as his initials? Now, if DKR was the UT coach now (with all of his success at UT) then you could have the "Look at JoePa" argument. Mack is a part of the new wave of coaches, JoePa is a living legend at PennSt, just as "Bear" Bryant would be at Bama, and so forth.

With a living legend, you let him decide based on the fact that even though the program may be suffering of late, he was the one that got it to the level of success for so many years, not just a 2-4 yr success trend. If Mack went 5-6 , 4-7 , etc. his *** would be GONE! (see Ty Willingham).
 
MikeMc said:
10 BCS slots? Where do the other 2 come from?? Is that the "4 + 1" scenario?
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The bowl that gets the BCS Championship gets another bowl. It is not the "4 + 1" scenario. This year the Orange Bowl would have had two bowls, the Orange Bowl and the BCS Championship Game. I guess one is on the 1st and the other (Championship) is a few days later. These two extra teams are at-large picks.

Looking at the BCS rankings:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings

I believe all 4 "regular" BCS bowls retain their automatic conference ties unless the team is 1 or 2. So we likely would have had something like:

BCS Championship - USC (1) vs. OU (2)
Rose Bowl - Michigan (Big 12) vs. Cal (1st choice sub for USC)
Fiesta Bowl - Texas (guaranteed BCS, 2nd choice sub for OU) vs. Georgia (could be Boise State, Louisville, LSU, or Iowa, anyone in the top 12 of the BCS, instead)
Sugar Bowl - Auburn (SEC) vs. Utah (guaranteed BCS)
Orange Bowl - Virginia Tech (ACC) vs. Pitt (Big East)

They added the bowl to help non-BCS teams have a better shot at getting into a game. It was also added to prevent things like the Cal situation from happening. They just are going to implement it a season too late.
 
This explains the 10 slots.

No current BCS bowl will host two games (regular bowl game then BCS title game). The BCS is simply adding a 5th BCS bowl (site yet to be determined) and that site will be included in the title game rotation. This will take effect in 2006.
 
Well damned if that's not going to suck. I was thinking Houston would be a great place to have a 5th BCS bowl. Cotton Bowl? In January? No thanks.

And what if the Saints aren't given a new stadium? I realize the Sugar Bowl has a lot of history but the Super Dome is starting to get up there in age. Will New Orleans continue to be worthy of hosting even one BCS game?
 
Superdome's only attraction: it is in New Orleans! That stadium is so bad, I think the Astrodome looks better!

I know Reliant Stadium is trying their *** off to get the 5th Bowl game. It has been a dream since the "Houston Bowl" moved to Reliant. With the success of the Super Bowl, it would be nice to see who beats Houston, and if so, why/how!
 
MikeMc said:
Superdome's only attraction: it is in New Orleans! That stadium is so bad, I think the Astrodome looks better!

I know Reliant Stadium is trying their *** off to get the 5th Bowl game. It has been a dream since the "Houston Bowl" moved to Reliant. With the success of the Super Bowl, it would be nice to see who beats Houston, and if so, why/how!
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Again Houston lost out to the other 4 bowls. There won't be an actual new bowl. One of the existing 4 BCS bowls now gets 2 bowls. Too bad, I thought Texas would be a good location for a BCS bowl.
 
Huge said:
Well damned if that's not going to suck. I was thinking Houston would be a great place to have a 5th BCS bowl. Cotton Bowl? In January? No thanks.

And what if the Saints aren't given a new stadium? I realize the Sugar Bowl has a lot of history but the Super Dome is starting to get up there in age. Will New Orleans continue to be worthy of hosting even one BCS game?
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New orleans will alway's be worthy of hosting a bowl game as long as bourbon street is alive. Best town for a road trip imo.
 
I just realized that Boise State and Louisville would get the 2 new at-large bids under the new format. California would still be left out in the cold. Any non-BCS team in the top 12 is guaranteed a slot in the BCS (if any are still available)
 
I am a big fan of Texas... but I also think that Cal got cheated out of it... Much props to Texas but I think that Cal deserved that spot much more... I also think that Mack Brown's whining had something to do with it and that the BCS really needs a better system.. Human polling sucks and that more people would have wanted to see Cal and Michigan...
 
maybe all you commie sympathizers should show up in SanDiego with a kingsize box of baby wipes, so you can help soothe the bleeding orifices of these Berkeley sissies after Bobo&Co have their way with'em? :bouncey:
 
htown_julie said:
I am a big fan of Texas... but I also think that Cal got cheated out of it... Much props to Texas but I think that Cal deserved that spot much more... I also think that Mack Brown's whining had something to do with it and that the BCS really needs a better system.. Human polling sucks and that more people would have wanted to see Cal and Michigan...
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If the human polling sucks, why do you feel Cal deserves the spot over Texas? Cal was ahead of Texas in both polls. It was the (nonbiased) computer polls that had Texas ahead of Cal.
 
Well Cal got blown up by a Texas Team, hows that for irony.


UofM - UT today kiddies

If the QB runs, Michigan is done.
 
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