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McShay Mock

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I know we all clown on McShay, but I'm not an ESPN insider and would still like to see what he's got to say.

Can one of y'all insiders bring that into here for discussion / viewing?
 
1. Tennessee - Joey Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
2. Cleveland - Paxton Lynch (QB, Memphis)
3. San Diego - Robert Nkemdiche (DT, Ole Miss)
4. Baltimore - Jalen Ramsey (DB, Florida State)
5. San Francisco - Jared Goff (QB, California)
6. Dallas - Jaylon Smith (OLB, Notre Dame)
7. Detroit - Laremy Tunsil (OT, Ole Miss)
8. Miami - Ronnie Stanley (OT, Notre Dame)
9. Jacksonville - Vernon Hargreaves (CB, Florida)
10. St. Louis - Laquon Treadwell (WR, Ole Miss)
11. New Orleans - Jarran Reed (DT, Alabama)
12. Chicago - DeForest Buckner (DE, Oregon)
13. Tampa Bay - Jack Conklin (OT, Michigan State)
14. Atlanta - Myles Jack (LB, UCLA)
15. Oakland - Tre'Davious White (CB, LSU)
16. Washington - Michael Thomas (WR, Ohio State)
17. NY Giants - Shaq Lawson (DE, Clemson)
18. Buffalo - Taylor Decker (OT, Ohio State)
19. Houston - A'Shawn Robinson (DT, Alabama)
20. Philadelphia - Sheldon Rankins (DT, Louisville)
21. Indianapolis - Kendall Fuller (CB, Virginia Tech)
22. NY Jets - Leonard Floyd (OLB, Georgia)
23. Minnesota - Darron Lee (OLB, Ohio State)
24. Pittsburgh - Cameron Sutton (CB, Tennessee)
25. Kansas City - Reggie Ragland (ILB, Alabama)
26. Seattle - Maliek Collins (DT, Nebraska)
27. Green Bay - Su'a Cravens (OLB, USC)
28. Denver - Kenny Clark (DT, UCLA)
29. Cincinnati - Will Fuller (WR, Notre Dame)
30. Arizona - Carson Wentz (QB, North Dakota State)
31. Carolina - Emmanuel Ogbah (DE, Oklahoma State)
 
Lucky said:
If you're the Houston Texans, you draft defensive players. It's what you do.

If you want to save 15% or more on car insurance, you switch to GEICO. It's what you do.
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unfortunately it's sad at the same time
 
Texan4Ever said:
I liked what I saw in Cook vs Michigan...made some great throws in tight spaces however he seems to have an attitude problem and someone I'd be wary of.
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That's based off what? The incident he quickly apologized for or did I miss something else?
 
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Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't have Cook in the first. Thought for sure he'd be a guaranteed 1st rounder.
 
JB said:
I wish we had someone that could successfully manage a game
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Right? People have called Eli and Flacco game managers, while others have called them elite. Both have rings...I'm good with that!
 
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PapaL said:
That's based off what? The incident he quickly apologized for or did I miss something else?
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Not the incident. As a Michigan fan I've watched him play and when the camera isn't focused on him he turns into a douche and has tendencies a la Jay Cutler. No doubt about his talents but what happens if the Texans draft him with him under center and we start the season 1-4? What happens when he disagrees with his O-coordinator or QB coach and says to himself, "**** it I'm doing things my way!" I'll have to see how he performs vs. Bama and his combine event but I'm a bit concerned about him versus others like Paxton or Goff.
 
JB said:
I wish we had someone that could successfully manage a game
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We do, the problem is fans want a Dan Marino...a guy that slings it all over the place...Anything short of that at the position is a failure in their eyes.
 
WolverineFan said:
Agreed. "Game manager" is just a lazy tag for saying you expect a prospect to be solid at the next level but not spectacular.

Even if Cook is just solid he's still an upgrade over whatever we currently have.
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I take it to mean a guy who isn't gonna lose the game...which is pretty much what we already have and have had for the last 2 years.
 
Mr teX said:
We do, the problem is fans want a Dan Marino...a guy that slings it all over the place...Anything short of that at the position is a failure in their eyes.
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Or the fans want a guy who can make critical throws at critical times to win games. If you believe the guy we have now can do that with anything resembling consistency then fair enough. Some of us don't believe that and simply want more.
 
I could see Cook falling in the draft. Probably not out of the 1st but definitely down the board.

I don't know anything about off-field stuff. But I do know that while he makes several great throws per game, he also lacks accuracy big time. He leaves a ton of plays on the field with throws that he just flat out misses. And his WR Burbridge saves him quite frequently on bad throws.

He operates a pro style offense and he doesn't throw INTs. I like that. But the lack of accuracy is a big deal.
 
JB said:
I wish we had someone that could successfully manage a game
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A game manager is a term often used to describe a QB who can run the offense, not make mistakes and not lose the game. It also is also a term used to malign a QB abilities to win the game when his team needs him to. Contrary to the negative connotation often associated with the term "Game Manager" there are game managers who can do all the above and also deliver when their team needs them to.
 
Texian said:
A game manager is a term often used to describe a QB who can run the offense, not make mistakes and not lose the game. It also is also a term used to malign a QB abilities to win the game when his team needs him to. Contrary to the negative connotation often associated with the term "Game Manager" there are game managers who can do all the above and also deliver when their team needs them to.
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Curious, please give examples?
 
Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, & Russell Wilson all started as game managers. Tom & Ben have evolved into franchise QBs. Russell appears to be making that transition.

Flacco. He's shown the ability to take over games in the most crucial moments... but then he looks completely lost at other times.

When your run game disappears, & your QB can't even move the ball. You've got a game manager. If your Defense decides to take the day off & your offense can't keep up... you've got a game manager.

Nothing wrong with game managers, that's where every "young" QB should start. IMO, but eventually, to be a franchise guy, he's got to take the next step. He can't "just take what the defense gives him" he's got to tear that defense apart.
 
If we draft defense, it may only be at the inside linebacker position. I would say safety as well, but not unless there's a Sean Taylor in this draft - who would be long gone before we select.

But we better draft a damn quarterback in the first.
 
JB said:
So, if Goff, Lynch, Wentz and Cook are gone before our pick, which QB must we then pick?
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Four QB's in what's considered a weak class top 15 is a little dramatic. Pretty sure Goff & Lynch are gone however, so choose between Wentz & Cook? You already know my answer much to the dismay of my former Amigos!
 
beerlover said:
Four QB's in what's considered a weak class top 15 is a little dramatic. Pretty sure Goff & Lynch are gone however, so choose between Wentz & Cook? You already know my answer much to the dismay of my former Amigos!
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yes I agree it's dramatic. But so is the post I quoted. I just get tired of the "they better do this or else" around here with no viable solutions or alternatives. Most seem to think that if it's not done their way then everyone Texans is a fool and sucks at their job
 
JB said:
So, if Goff, Lynch, Wentz and Cook are gone before our pick, which QB must we then pick?
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Screw gone. This isn't blindly throwing darts. There's a process. The draft is to be worked. If they look at the 4 and only one checks all the boxes, then they need to do what they need to do to get him.

They put themselves in this predicament. If it's going to take our first, third, 6th, next year's first & third... then that's what it's going to take to get the one.


Not that I'm one of those, "They better get a QB in the first" kind of guy. If they feel cook is their guy, or Wentz & they feel like they can get him in the third, then they better get him in the third.
 
JB said:
So, if Goff, Lynch, Wentz and Cook are gone before our pick, which QB must we then pick?
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Jake Coker (and he could turnout to be the best of the lot) remember he lost out by a hair to the guy who won the Heisman Trophy, won a National Championship and was the first pick in the draft.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, & Russell Wilson all started as game managers. Tom & Ben have evolved into franchise QBs. Russell appears to be making that transition.

Flacco. He's shown the ability to take over games in the most crucial moments... but then he looks completely lost at other times.

When your run game disappears, & your QB can't even move the ball. You've got a game manager. If your Defense decides to take the day off & your offense can't keep up... you've got a game manager.

Nothing wrong with game managers, that's where every "young" QB should start. IMO, but eventually, to be a franchise guy, he's got to take the next step. He can't "just take what the defense gives him" he's got to tear that defense apart.
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You can add Alex Smith to that list. Peyton Manning is a game manager in his own right.
 
beerlover said:
Four QB's in what's considered a weak class top 15 is a little dramatic. Pretty sure Goff & Lynch are gone however, so choose between Wentz & Cook? You already know my answer much to the dismay of my former Amigos!
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The 2011 draft was supposed to have a weak QB class as well, but we all know what happened there. Teams get desperate for a QB and take gambles on them all the time.
 
dream_team said:
The 2011 draft was supposed to have a weak QB class as well, but we all know what happened there. Teams get desperate for a QB and take gambles on them all the time.
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Andy Dalton in the 2nd turned out to be 2nd best QB after Cam in class the others were horrible decisions based on need.
 
JB said:
yes I agree it's dramatic. But so is the post I quoted. I just get tired of the "they better do this or else" around here with no viable solutions or alternatives. Most seem to think that if it's not done their way then everyone Texans is a fool and sucks at their job
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Need to add Hack and Coker to your list at that point.

Nobody is saying this, what they are saying is McNair/Smith are clueless. I feel bad for BOB the mess that McNair and his yes men have created. BOB is going to have to work his butt off to overcome the incompetence at the upper levels of this org, when it comes to the on the field product that is currently being put on the field.
 
steelbtexan said:
Need to add Hack and Coker to your list at that point.

Nobody is saying this, what they are saying is McNair/Smith are clueless. I feel bad for BOB the mess that McNair and his yes men have created. BOB is going to have to work his butt off to overcome the incompetence at the upper levels of this org, when it comes to the on the field product that is currently being put on the field.
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Not buying it. O'Brien asked for and was given control of the draft. And he certainly is the final word for who gets gut and who stays on the roster. So if there's a mess to be accountable for, O'Brien has a big chunk of the blame.
 
JB said:
yes I agree it's dramatic. But so is the post I quoted. I just get tired of the "they better do this or else" around here with no viable solutions or alternatives. Most seem to think that if it's not done their way then everyone Texans is a fool and sucks at their job
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Yeah, apparently there are tons of NFL head coaches, GM's and Texans insiders on this MB...
 
ObsiWan said:
Not buying it. O'Brien asked for and was given control of the draft. And he certainly is the final word for who gets gut and who stays on the roster. So if there's a mess to be accountable for, O'Brien has a big chunk of the blame.
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Link please?

So Kubiak didn't have the same amount of control as BOB after 8 yrs here?
 
ObsiWan said:
Not buying it. O'Brien asked for and was given control of the draft. And he certainly is the final word for who gets gut and who stays on the roster. So if there's a mess to be accountable for, O'Brien has a big chunk of the blame.
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BTW, who hired O'Brien?

McNair's or did Smith recommend him?
 
steelbtexan said:
Link please?
So Kubiak didn't have the same amount of control as BOB after 8 yrs here?
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that was established in some of the early threads about the O'Brien hire but since I know you won't use the search feature....
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However, how do we know that O’Brien is the right man for the job? Patrick Starr of State of the Texans wrote a very compelling columnon the major issues within the Texans organization. Based on his contract, O’Brien has control of the 53-man roster. As he himself stated in the opening scene of Hard Knocks, he wanted all 90 guys who opened camp with the team. This team has O’Brien’s stamp on it, and it’s an ugly stamp right now.
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steelbtexan said:
BTW, who hired O'Brien?
McNair's or did Smith recommend him?
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I remember hearing someplace that McNair used a consultant to do the search for Kubiak's successor. But he only interviewed Lovie Smith and Bill O'Brien. O'Brien wowed McNair during the interview and got the job.
 
ObsiWan said:
that was established in some of the early threads about the O'Brien hire but since I know you won't use the search feature....
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I remember hearing someplace that McNair used a consultant to do the search for Kubiak's successor. But he only interviewed Lovie Smith and Bill O'Brien. O'Brien wowed McNair during the interview and got the job.
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Huge difference in having control over the final 53 and having control over who's being brought into the org that will compose the 90 at TC and the final 53.

So O'brien was McNair's hire and y'all dont like the hire. So I guess McNair is to blame.

The thing that makes me LOL is the excuses made for Kubiak by the same folks that want BOB ran out of town and the fact that if the the Texans beat the Colts today they will most likely make the playoffs.
 
steelbtexan said:
Huge difference in having control over the final 53 and having control over who's being brought into the org that will compose the 90 at TC and the final 53.
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That's the point. O'Brien has control over the 90 that get to compete in camp.
From the same post.....
As he himself stated in the opening scene of Hard Knocks, he wanted all 90 guys who opened camp with the team
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O'Brien brought all 90 guys into camp. Which means, to me, he picked them from whatever source the Texans use.

edit: for the record, my beef with O'Brien is how he's handling the QB situation. Like him or not, at least by now in his tenure, Kubiak went out and got 'his guy'; now to his detriment, he stuck with Schaub too long. But he never waffled about who was his starter. O'Brien can't seem to make up his mind.
 
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