McNair: "We're not going to do something we think is crazy"

[Texecutioner]

Now we got two but if you notice for Culliver there are question marks for the date. Now, I'm hoping that is because 28 teams were at the South Carolina pro day and we were there but it couldn't be confirmed if we were looking at Culliver or the other two guys.

Either way, nice to see we are the only team that's made two visits in the league. Oh and yeah, we don't know what the team is doing because this stuff never gets reported. It's just that 31 other teams have reported who they've met with or what college pro days they've attended.

Yeah, but remember we are the ultimate team of extreme secrecy where no one knows what we're up to. Just because it's not reported in any way shape or form doesn't mean that we're not making all kinds of calls and visits. Remember that we also are just a small hokey town with one paper and reporters who wouldn't dare to leak out any of our strategic plans. We're the insurgency of the NFL only that even after the off season we never know what our insurgency was, because nothing ever happens.

 

[dalemurphy]

Great!! We've got two while the majority of other teams around the NFL have like 10 and above. We're on the right track baby!!!

Superbowl champs (Green Bay)= 2... Also, Pittsburgh, Indy, and New Orleans all near the bottom of the list in "reported" visits.

TEX- So, are the Packers screwing up too?

 

[HoustonFrog]

Superbowl champs (Green Bay)= 2... Also, Pittsburgh, Indy, and New Orleans all near the bottom of the list in "reported" visits.

TEX- So, are the Packers screwing up too?

They just won the SB. I'll give them a pass right now.

Teams that have continuous non-playoff records should try a little harder maybe. Again, here is the usual rub...."20 other teams did it." 20 other teams aren't perennial losers. Look at who visited the most..Patriots.

For a minute you guys have to stop the "if Team A did it and we did it then why not rag on them." The message board I'm on is a Texans board where they have yet to do anything in a winning manner. So from the perspective of 9 years of no playoffs I'd expect more, no matter what other teams are doing.

evansilva Evan Silva
Least aggressive visits & workouts team: #Raiders (1). They'll be constructing their draft board strictly based on Combine results.

 

[dalemurphy]

They just won the SB. I'll give them a pass right now.

Teams that have continuous non-playoff records should try a little harder maybe. Again, here is the usual rub...."20 other teams did it." 20 other teams aren't perennial losers. Look at who visited the most..Patriots.

For a minute you guys have to stop the "if Team A did it and we did it then why not rag on them." The message board I'm on is a Texans board where they have yet to do anything in a winning manner. So from the perspective of 9 years of no playoffs I'd expect more, no matter what other teams are doing.

Look, if you want to complain that McNair has not had a winning formula, has made crucial effors, and has failed as an owner the past 9 years, I won't argue.

However, either it is true that only having two reported visits with college players indicates poor management or it doesn't? Tex uses the fact that the Texans have been unsuccessful as the primary evidence that everything they do is wrong... Then, he ridicules everything they do. It's some of the most flawed and bitter logic I have ever seen.

 

[Double Barrel]

To be fair, our scouting department infiltrates these events and the reason that they are never noticed is because they are so good at playing the cat and mouse game of stealth scouting. Fortunately, we have an exclusive picture of one of our elite scouts in action:

 

[Dutchrudder]

Look, if you want to complain that McNair has not had a winning formula, has made crucial effors, and has failed as an owner the past 9 years, I won't argue.

However, either it is true that only having two reported visits with college players indicates poor management or it doesn't?Tex uses the fact that the Texans have been unsuccessful as the primary evidence that everything they do is wrong... Then, he ridicules everything they do. It's some of the most flawed and bitter logic I have ever seen.

How is that wrong?

 

[steelbtexan]

Mr. Tex you're right and everybody that thinks BoB, Gary and Rick stink are wrong.

Meanwhile fans that are realistic realize that the playoffs, much less a SB is a long way away from happening.

Hate to burst your buble with facts like their track record.

 

[steelbtexan]

Four 5-7 starts to seasons in a row speak volumes about BoB, Gary and Ricks competence. But TK and Mr.Tex cant see the forrest for the trees.

 

[gary]

Phillips will be the next head coach so don't worry Bob has this all plan out just perfectly so just sit back and relax it is a nice day.

 

[disaacks3]

Phillips will be the next head coach so don't worry Bob has this all plan out just perfectly so just sit back and relax it is a nice day.

That's precisely the turn of events that many of us FEAR. Wade just left a HC job, he was fired for his performance. Like Kubiak, his best fit may simply be as a coordinator.

 

[Mr teX]

They just won the SB. I'll give them a pass right now.

Teams that have continuous non-playoff records should try a little harder maybe. Again, here is the usual rub...."20 other teams did it." 20 other teams aren't perennial losers. Look at who visited the most..Patriots.

For a minute you guys have to stop the "if Team A did it and we did it then why not rag on them." The message board I'm on is a Texans board where they have yet to do anything in a winning manner. So from the perspective of 9 years of no playoffs I'd expect more, no matter what other teams are doing.

I see what you're saying HF & i agree to a certain extent if nothing else, i wish they would do it just so they could shut some people up. But me personally, i'm not gonna get overly excited if i see 20+ names lined up for interviews/workouts or if they have what they have now at the end of the day.

The reason being is b/c i would still hope that they are relying on what they see on tape the most. Also, doing things in a winning manner is relative. Sure the Patriots are at the top for having the most visits lined up...the colts & steelers are closer to the bottom. Where do you estimate the line is drawn for winning teams & how many interviews you should have lined up?

 

[gary]

That's precisely the turn of events that many of us FEAR. Wade just left a HC job, he was fired for his performance. Like Kubiak, his best fit may simply be as a coordinator.

I did not say I am in favor of it just an idea.

 

[infantrycak]

It's just that 31 other teams have reported who they've met with or what college pro days they've attended.

Very few if any of the reports come from teams. Look at your KFFL link for sources. It isn't the teams

NFL | Three South Carolina players work out for execs
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:18:17 -0700

South Carolina S Chris Culliver, WR Tori Gurley and DL Cliff Matthews worked out in front of personnel from 28 of 32 NFL teams Wednesday, March 30, at South Carolina's Pro Day, reports The Associated Press. Neither of the three players are expected to go in the first round of the NFL Draft

Now go look through that PFT.com's list and see if Gurley, Culliver and Matthews are listed on 28 teams.

 

[Double Barrel]

Phillips will be the next head coach so don't worry Bob has this all plan out just perfectly so just sit back and relax it is a nice day.

yep. I've got a running bet with a good friend of mine. He says no way, and I say it is our destiny. Wade will be our next HC if he is not hired by another team before then.

 

[gary]

See now just rest your head and go to sleep. Remember no worries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz_hZQtLqEI&feature=related

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Oh yeah, Wade is basically Head Coach-In Waiting. If the team continues to be pathetic and soft, they will make the move. No doubt and it's practically preordained by fate, logic, and unknown cosmic forces with a grudge against Houston.

The Cowher ship has probably sailed...as if that ship would make it out of drydock, much less sail.

6-10 is my prediction just like it was last year....but I am the crazy one.

 

[gary]

I hope I am wrong about Wade but I won't be.

 

[Texecutioner]

Look, if you want to complain that McNair has not had a winning formula, has made crucial effors, and has failed as an owner the past 9 years, I won't argue.

However, either it is true that only having two reported visits with college players indicates poor management or it doesn't? Tex uses the fact that the Texans have been unsuccessful as the primary evidence that everything they do is wrong... Then, he ridicules everything they do. It's some of the most flawed and bitter logic I have ever seen.

Honestly Dale, I don't see how you even have the adacity to argue with me at this point considering every argument you've made for the last 3 seasons has blown up in your face. How would anyone take your football observations at face value at this point? And months ago you were actually talking about calling people out after game one of the season. Lol! Keep digging......Keep digging......

I'll repeat that the Texans will go nowhere and will waste their seasons as long as Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith are running this organization.

 

[Texecutioner]

Oh yeah, Wade is basically Head Coach-In Waiting. If the team continues to be pathetic and soft, they will make the move. No doubt and it's practically preordained by fate, logic, and unknown cosmic forces with a grudge against Houston.

The Cowher ship has probably sailed...as if that ship would make it out of drydock, much less sail.

6-10 is my prediction just like it was last year....but I am the crazy one.

The funny thing is that you have been blasted more than anyone I've ever seen on this site, yet your predictions have been on point every season. You were "the only" guy on this site that predicted a 6-10 season last year and got ripped apart for it as usual. Yet, no one came back and apologized. Just more insults about how you're a horrible fan for talking about this team objectively. Even I thought that you were going a little over board by predicting 6-10 last off season, but you were right on point.

 

[Texecutioner]

Superbowl champs (Green Bay)= 2... Also, Pittsburgh, Indy, and New Orleans all near the bottom of the list in "reported" visits.

TEX- So, are the Packers screwing up too?

I knew one of you would bring up GB since they had only like two. Lol!

GB just won the SB with all kinds of injuries and yet guys like you use injuries for excuses every year. They've got a competent management running their organization, a good coach, an elite QB, and they've been drafting damn well. Why would I get on GB's case? They haven't been an embarrassment of the league sitting there right with the Lions almost every season like we have. The Texans should be one of the most active teams out there because they keep under achieving and going nowhere. When the Texans are hitting the playoffs in multiple seasons and have a HC that shows that he's competent at building a winner for multiple seasons where he can be trusted I won't laugh at the fact that in year 9 of suckage that there one of the least active teams around. I'll get excited about the Texans up coming season when they have a new coach that isn't named Wade Phillips because he'll most likely be the next guy after this year and we'll get 3 or 4 more years of this same nonsense and then you can act like Wade Phillips is the next big thing that knows best like you have with Smithiak the last few seasons.

 

[Rey]

They just won the SB. I'll give them a pass right now.

Teams that have continuous non-playoff records should try a little harder maybe. Again, here is the usual rub...."20 other teams did it." 20 other teams aren't perennial losers. Look at who visited the most..Patriots.

For a minute you guys have to stop the "if Team A did it and we did it then why not rag on them." The message board I'm on is a Texans board where they have yet to do anything in a winning manner. So from the perspective of 9 years of no playoffs I'd expect more, no matter what other teams are doing.

I agree wholeheartedly. I even alluded to this in another post.

The Texans have not earned the benefit of the doubt so you can't really fault people for being upset that they appear to be doing the same old stuff.

Another way to look at it would be like people taking a class. Some people can do well just by showing up and taking the test. Others have to study.Some people can study and still fail.

You have to find the method that works best for YOU....but continuing to do the same thing and getting failing results is just stupid.

 

[gary]

Who knows if Smith is actually running the orginization or just how much he is?

 

[infantrycak]

I don't understand all this Wade is HC in waiting talk. If Wade does a decent job next year and the D improves so will the record and odds are Kubiak doesn't get fired. If the D does not improve and the O stays the same or gets better what in the world makes people think McNair is going to fire the successful side of the team and promote the unsuccessful side? It makes no sense.

 

[gary]

I don't understand all this Wade is HC in waiting talk. If Wade does a decent job next year and the D improves so will the record and odds are Kubiak doesn't get fired. If the D does not improve and the O stays the same or gets better what in the world makes people think McNair is going to fire the successful side of the team and promote the unsuccessful side? It makes no sense.

My thinking is that if the defense improves a decent amount but for some reason the Texans still don't make the playoffs then you have to believe Wade has a chance at the very least, no?

 

[dalemurphy]

I knew one of you would bring up GB since they had only like two. Lol!

GB just won the SB with all kinds of injuries and yet guys like you use injuries for excuses every year. They've got a competent management running their organization, a good coach, an elite QB, and they've been drafting damn well. Why would I get on GB's case? They haven't been an embarrassment of the league sitting there right with the Lions almost every season like we have. The Texans should be one of the most active teams out there because they keep under achieving and going nowhere. When the Texans are hitting the playoffs in multiple seasons and have a HC that shows that he's competent at building a winner for multiple seasons where he can be trusted I won't laugh at the fact that in year 9 of suckage that there one of the least active teams around. I'll get excited about the Texans up coming season when they have a new coach that isn't named Wade Phillips because he'll most likely be the next guy after this year and we'll get 3 or 4 more years of this same nonsense and then you can act like Wade Phillips is the next big thing that knows best like you have with Smithiak the last few seasons.

So, what is your point about organizations only bringing in two people?

 

[infantrycak]

My thinking is that if the defense improves a decent amount but for some reason the Texans still don't make the playoffs then you have to believe Wade has a chance at the very least, no?

My thought is if the D gets to mid pack and the O is at least as good then the team will win 9+ games and McNair won't fire Kubiak.

 

[gary]

My thought is if the D gets to mid pack and the O is at least as good then the team will win 9+ games and McNair won't fire Kubiak.

And that is an IF just like me you are trusting the fact that if only the D gets better then they will be in. Maybe. But that is not a given thing nor is mine.

 

[Texecutioner]

So, what is your point about organizations only bringing in two people?

It wasn't about other organizations. It was about the Texans being one of the least active here which is no surprise and is the same status quo they've been running for years. They should be doing everything possible at this point heading into season 10, but as to no surprise they see no reason for change and I'm reminded that Bob Mcnair feels that we're "on the right track."

I didn't post about the workouts thing though. El Tejano did and he's been questioning why we haven't been involved with work outs for players for weeks now and I agree with his questioning as well. I wasn't surprised and I just made some humor out of it.

 

[Texecutioner]

I don't understand all this Wade is HC in waiting talk. If Wade does a decent job next year and the D improves so will the record and odds are Kubiak doesn't get fired. If the D does not improve and the O stays the same or gets better what in the world makes people think McNair is going to fire the successful side of the team and promote the unsuccessful side? It makes no sense.

I think it's because this would be year 6 of Kubiak going nowhere and people are thinking that Mcnair would finally fire Gary Kubiak and if so hiring a nice guy like Wade would be the typical status quo for what Bob likes. Plus, Wade has the ties to Houston from his daddy and Bob loved it when grandpa Bum was out here at the end of last season spreading his flare around the Houston fans that think he's a god. It just makes sense that Bob would want a guy like Wade if he ever decides to let go of Gary and Bob would probably like the baby steps of improvement that Wade would bring to the defense and would probably give him several years of mulligan seasons just like he did with Capers and Kubiak to get things right and he'd be very patient. I totally think that Wade will be our next HC, that is if he ever lets go of Gary Kubiak. I'm not sure he ever will at this point.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

The funny thing is that you have been blasted more than anyone I've ever seen on this site, yet your predictions have been on point every season. You were "the only" guy on this site that predicted a 6-10 season last year and got ripped apart for it as usual. Yet, no one came back and apologized. Just more insults about how you're a horrible fan for talking about this team objectively. Even I thought that you were going a little over board by predicting 6-10 last off season, but you were right on point.

You can't let your best DB go when your secondary was already piss poor. It's pretty simple.

They actually surprised me on offense. I thought they would take a step back but they took a step sideways by adding a running game out of nowhere. It was a double edged sword though because Arian definitely saved Rick Smith's job but probably Gary's too and I can't see how that helps the Texans win.

If they go out and at least compete for Aso, It would at least show that they mean what they say. Building a winner. Andre, Matt, and the rest of the offense made enough plays to win most football games, but bad coaching talent and bad coaching decisions lost the season.

Maybe we get a break in draft and get Quinn and maybe they land Aso but unless they can get some difference makers like that, it's gonna be same ole same ole.

 

[steelbtexan]

The funny thing is that you have been blasted more than anyone I've ever seen on this site, yet your predictions have been on point every season. You were "the only" guy on this site that predicted a 6-10 season last year and got ripped apart for it as usual. Yet, no one came back and apologized. Just more insults about how you're a horrible fan for talking about this team objectively. Even I thought that you were going a little over board by predicting 6-10 last off season, but you were right on point.

I was close at 7-9

Darn Broncos

LOL

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't understand all this Wade is HC in waiting talk. If Wade does a decent job next year and the D improves so will the record and odds are Kubiak doesn't get fired. If the D does not improve and the O stays the same or gets better what in the world makes people think McNair is going to fire the successful side of the team and promote the unsuccessful side? It makes no sense.

You are talking about Kubiak.

They finished 9-7 with a top 15 defense in 2009.

So dont get your hopes up.

 

[infantrycak]

You are talking about Kubiak.

They finished 9-7 with a top 15 defense in 2009.

So dont get your hopes up.

You are making my point and I said nothing about hopes. If Wade does a reasonable job then I expect 9+ wins and in that event I doubt McNair fires Kubiak unless the offense has regressed. If Wade doesn't build a mid-pack D then we might not get the 9+ wins but then it makes no sense to promote the guy who failed and fire the guy who succeeded in their specialty areas. I think if Kubiak is gone, everyone is gone.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I was close at 7-9

Darn Broncos

LOL

I was on the 8-8 train.......it just seemed inevitable.

The Jags and Broncos screwed me

 

[steelbtexan]

You are making my point and I said nothing about hopes. If Wade does a reasonable job then I expect 9+ wins and in that event I doubt McNair fires Kubiak unless the offense has regressed. If Wade doesn't build a mid-pack D then we might not get the 9+ wins but then it makes no sense to promote the guy who failed and fire the guy who succeeded in their specialty areas. I think if Kubiak is gone, everyone is gone.

I see what you're saying.

So you think BoB will bring back Rick and Gary if the get another 9 win season?

More mediocrity, some around here set their sights alot higher than 9 win seasons. BoB doesn't appear to have set his goals above 9 wins. But if their is a fan revolt after this season I could see BoB hire Wade to appease his fanbase.

I mean what football fan in Houston could get upset with BoB for hiring Bums' boy.

Good PR is and has been what BoB's Houston Texans are all about.

 

[dalemurphy]

I was on the 8-8 train.......it just seemed inevitable.

The Jags and Broncos screwed me

I was on the 11-5 Train.

The Texans screwed me!

 

[steelbtexan]

I was on the 8-8 train.......it just seemed inevitable.

The Jags and Broncos screwed me

After the draft you should start up another thread predicting the Texans win total next season.

It will be interesting to see who else falls off the bandwagon if Rick and Gary have their usual draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

I was on the 11-5 Train.

The Texans screwed me!

True

LOL

 

[Lucky]

I mean what football fan in Houston could get upset with BoB for hiring Bums' boy.

(raises hand)

 

[Lucky]

My point has more to do with the lockout and CBA situation than a McNair bitchfest.

What exactly has been lost due to the CBA expiring? Free agency has been delayed. There will still be a draft. Not a game, regular season, preseason, scrimmage, mini camp, has been missed. It's much ado about nothing thus far. The NFL and players will work this out. Whether the Texans figure it out in 2011 is the big question in my mind.

 

[steelbtexan]

What exactly has been lost due to the CBA expiring? Free agency has been delayed. There will still be a draft. Not a game, regular season, preseason, scrimmage, mini camp, has been missed. It's much ado about nothing thus far. The NFL and players will work this out. Whether the Texans figure it out in 2011 is the big question in my mind.

Agreed

The Texans should proceed as though there will be no FA. Even though if they can agree on a CBA.

There will be a short FA signing period where FA's that are mid tier will get overpaid due to organizations will panic.

 

[El Tejano]

Very few if any of the reports come from teams. Look at your KFFL link for sources. It isn't the teams



Now go look through that PFT.com's list and see if Gurley, Culliver and Matthews are listed on 28 teams.

I'm going to have to concede. Your point has been proven by the famous Gil Brandt. In this link he is saying that Bengals LB coach and 10 other team reps were at Stephen F Austin Pro Day. No mention of the Texans.

However, the same Gil Brandt told a Texan fan on Sirius NFL Radio that the Texans were indeed there and were interested in LB Jabara Williams.

 

[HOU-TEX]

What exactly has been lost due to the CBA expiring? Free agency has been delayed. There will still be a draft. Not a game, regular season, preseason, scrimmage, mini camp, has been missed. It's much ado about nothing thus far. The NFL and players will work this out. Whether the Texans figure it out in 2011 is the big question in my mind.

No free agency means nothing to follow for fans. Fans can't track and read about players being sought after by their home teams. Most teams would've reported this week for strength and conditioning. So, I'm speaking more of the entertainment value for fans. We're in a huge dead spot right now. Floating around in dead space looking for something to grab on to. An article like this pops up and bam, fans grab on to it. Even though it's basically meaningless.

Eh, I'd rather be tracking FA's and reading articles and watching videos of FA and player interviews.

 

[HuttoKarl]

I was on the 11-5 Train.

The Texans screwed me!

I thought they'd go 15-1, so don't feel too bad.

 

[infantrycak]

So you think BoB will bring back Rick and Gary if the get another 9 win season?

I think it depends on the circumstances. IF the O regresses for some reason and the D is top ten then I could see a transition to Wade as HC. 9-7 makes the playoffs for some teams almost every year. If they make the playoffs then I don't see anyone fired. If the O is an explosive top 5 O but the D still fails but shows some improvement then I suspect everyone stays. If the O falters and the D doesn't develop then I could see everyone blown out.

More mediocrity, some around here set their sights alot higher than 9 win seasons. BoB doesn't appear to have set his goals above 9 wins.

I said 9+ wins to not be overly optimistic. In any event, how the 9 wins come and what they mean are significant. Arizona got to the SB on 9 wins.

 

[76Texan]

I think it depends on the circumstances. IF the O regresses for some reason and the D is top ten then I could see a transition to Wade as HC. 9-7 makes the playoffs for some teams almost every year. If they make the playoffs then I don't see anyone fired. If the O is an explosive top 5 O but the D still fails but shows some improvement then I suspect everyone stays. If the O falters and the D doesn't develop then I could see everyone blown out.



I said 9+ wins to not be overly optimistic. In any event, how the 9 wins come and what they mean are significant. Arizona got to the SB on 9 wins.

This about sums it up for me!

 

[Second Honeymoon]

Arizona won 12 games that year including 2 road playoff wins. I know what you meant by 9 games, but I don't want to belittle the Cards accomplishment and act like the Texan's miraculous 9 win season is even remotely comparable to the Cardinal's run.

I do think there is a scenario where Kubiak and Phillips are both cut loose if it all comes tumbling down...again. So I am with you there but it would be such a classically bad move to promote Wade, it would fall in line with how the Texans have operated or, more accurately, failed to operate. That is why I think it will end up shaking out like that.

 

[thunderkyss]

Again, you prove my point completely with this list and you don't even know it.

All these guys together have amounted to nothing but a bunch of 8-8 seasons and a 6-10 season in year 5, but go right back and pat Gary Kubiak on the back for doing a great job.

Nobody is patting anybody on the back, and this does not prove your point. Your point, that is being argued here, is that the Texans have been utilizing a build through the draft only mentality.

These FA acquisitions have amounted to more than half our draft picks.

The Texans are building through the draft & supplementing through FA, like all the great teams.

Does not mean, so don't start arguing, that I think the Texans are great, or doing a great job.

It means you are wrong about the Texans draft only mentality.

 

[Double Barrel]

I don't understand all this Wade is HC in waiting talk. If Wade does a decent job next year and the D improves so will the record and odds are Kubiak doesn't get fired. If the D does not improve and the O stays the same or gets better what in the world makes people think McNair is going to fire the successful side of the team and promote the unsuccessful side? It makes no sense.

I think Kubiak's fate rests solely on making the playoffs. So the D could improve, O stays good enough, they go 9-7 and miss the playoffs, and I think McNair would have a tough case to make for a HC with 6 seasons and no playoff appearances.

But, I don't assume that the offense will stay solid. I certainly hope and expect it, but AJ is a year older, we have no guarantee that Foster will be as good as he was last season, and they are an injury or two away from being merely average (like many teams).

I think Wade is here for the long haul, though. I think just based on tenure, he will outlast Gary. Think about it: if the D improves, it locks Wade in as a DC for awhile. All that needs to happen at some point is for Gary's team to fall short, be it 2011, 2012, or beyond. Unless someone hires Wade as HC (which he does not anticipate happening), Wade will remain on staff and McNair is certainly the kind of loyal owner that would promote from within his organization, especially with a coach with Wade's resume on his staff.

It's all speculation, so no need to remind. I'm basing my thoughts on 9 years of watching this owner, and this scenario just seems like the logical next step. He's done the overhaul thing with a new coach, and it's just too traumatic for him by his own words. So promoting a DC to HC makes sense to prevent trauma and much hand-wringing.

 

[76Texan]

Is there a scenario for Wade to step up as a HC and Gary stepping down to be the OC?