McNair is obviously the problem!

[aggieNzona]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

 

[Marcus]

Kubiak obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

Oh really? Now, how would you know that? Did he phone you and tell you that, or did you just pull that out of your asss?

 

[Snapple]

I don't think McNair is a good scapegoat, because I doubt he's going to fire himself anytime soon.

 

[aggieNzona]

Oh really? Now, how would you know that? Did he phone you and tell you that, or did you just pull that outa your *****?

No becuase Kubs along w/ almost every NFL scout and observant knows Bush is a once in a 10 year player and Williams may or may not be even be real good! Bush is a game breaker will Mario be that? Gary certianly wanted Bush and any Texan fan that thinks this is somehow a good move is nothing more than an homer idiot!! The franchise is now the laughing stock of the NFL! The Cards and Saints are now considered better orginizations!! Do you really think they had Williams higher on the board then Bush? No this is about money and power and Mr McNair said "my way or the highway" which unfortunatley is very similar to Bud Adams and Bill Bidwill's approach!

 

[Double Barrel]

McNair is obviously the problem!

Problem? What problem? WE HAVE A PROBLEM?

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

Come on guys. Texans made a choice to go with Mario let's hope that he can be a stud for us. We needed DE anyway more than RB. Yes, I'm a little dispointed like your guys. But we got the best D available from this draft. Just look at his highlights on internet. He is a beast. Either Mario or Reggie, I'm still texans' fan.

 

[TexanBacker93]

Bush will be great.
Bush will be a bust.
VY will be the best ever.
VY will never figure out NFL defenses.
D'Brick will be a franchise LT
D'Brick will be an average T
Mario Williams will be the next Reggie White
Mario Williams will be the next Alonzo Spellman

Nobody, anywhere, knows which of these statements is true or false. Every statement has been clouted by "experts" on this site and every mediahead in the USA. This is the move I thought was the smartest move to get a championship caliber team built.

I know I'll be rooting them on from the front row in the end zone.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

To quote El Guapo from the Three Amigos, "Who the hell are you?"

 

[erasethevirus]

Most GMs have agreed that mario is also a once in 10 years defensive prospect worthy of the #1 pick. Get a clue.

 

[HJam72]

Problem? What problem? WE HAVE A PROBLEM?

I don't think we can tell if we have a problem or not.

 

[BradK10]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

C'mon you're crazy. I live in Zona too, and NO ONE can touch the Bidwells, not even close

 

[Grid]

I dont wanna be the homer here... but considering the 100s of millions that McNair paid to give us this team.. shouldnt be be thankful, regardless if he wants to draft Mario Williams or his brother Cliff McNair?

 

[HJam72]

I dont wanna be the homer here... but considering the 100s of millions that McNair paid to give us this team.. shouldnt be be thankful, regardless if he wants to draft Mario Williams or his brother Cliff McNair?

Yep, that's what I've been thinking too. Even thought about starting a thread about it.

 

[c5demon]

No wonder why the other NFL owners don't like McNair either.

 

[TheOgre]

It is obviously a Kubiak decision. Just look at how difficult it has been for Denver to find quality D-linemen. I'm just not sure THIS is the right guy.

 

[HoustonFrog]

It is obviously a Kubiak decision. Just look at how difficult it has been for Denver to find quality D-linemen. I'm just not sure THIS is the right guy.

It was just reported by Mort that Kubes and Casserly sat down Thursday and made this decision. I think it has to do with long term effect and they don't want a VY or Bush and have them fail miseribly.

I am leaning toward McNair having some problems. Great man, great worker for Houston sports, etc but sometimes great businessmen don't make great sports owners. You have to have the right people in place. We will see how it works out.

 

[281]

Yea No kidding, Did we not just "draft" the best pass rusher in college football, not to mention HE CAN PLAY every DLineman spot on the field, this guy is taller Stronger and faster then Jullius Peppers, If you want to blame somebody for the NO BUSH PICK blame BUSH!

Peppers ran a 4.4.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Problem? What problem? WE HAVE A PROBLEM?

We are the worst expansion team ever. That's a problem.

 

[hot pickle]

yall need to stop complaining and support are team instead of bitchin and complaining, lets just see how he does, yall don't know if he will come out of the gate blazin, and if he is a bust then complain, so lets just shut up and see what else we do in the next rounds

 

[Bobo]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

Seems to me that Williams was the gutsy call. But it was also the football call. I feel sorry for NO. Now they have the Bush/McAllister conflict and their lines haven't improved. McAllister is one of the best RBs around and has been to two Pro Bowls. Good luck to them, but they got themselves into this mess -- something the Texans were smart enough to avoid.

 

[OzzO]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

Actually, it's been noted that McNair told Casserly and Kubiak to get what player they thought was best (decided Mario) at the time and that he'd take care of the PR afterwards.

 

[utahmark]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

they just passed on the 2 most popular guys in the draft. he is taking all kinds of critisism for this pick and he had to know it would be an unpopular choice. they stood up to all that and took the player they think is going to be best for the team. and you think thats gutless.

 

[Ckw]

Come on guys. Texans made a choice to go with Mario let's hope that he can be a stud for us. We needed DE anyway more than RB. Yes, I'm a little dispointed like your guys. But we got the best D available from this draft. Just look at his highlights on internet. He is a beast. Either Mario or Reggie, I'm still texans' fan.

We needed defensive end??? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have two supposedly good pash-rushing defensive ends in Antwan Peek and Jason Babin? Not saying they will be better at the new position but there also is no guarantee that Super Mario is the next Julius Peppers...here's to hoping. Also didn't we just pick up Anthony Weaver, granted he is not a great pass rusher, and N.D. Kalu, another pass rusher??? What about Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, Seth Payne, etc.?? Is DL really the problem?? Or was it mainly coaching from last year? My bet goes with our biggest problem being coaching, because, after all, many of these guys that we have were either good players before coming to Houston or were rated pretty highly coming out of college.

On to running backs: At running back we have....Domanick Davis. Great back and I love having him on the team...but he has shown some problems with injuries....so to take his place when he is injured we have.......................Vernand Morency?!?!?! Wow!!!! Now running back sure is a strong position......

Look, I'm not the guy whining and saying I'm no longer a Texans fan. But I greatly question this move. And I don't question it based off talent. I do believe Super Mario can be a great player, but is he really comparable to Reggie Bush. Everyone has said all along our problem has been our pass protection. So what do we do? We pick up one offensive lineman, Mike Flanagan, Eric Moulds, and Jeb Putzier. I understand Jeb and Eric will help our pass protection by adding more weapons, but please tell me how picking Mario over Reggie helps our pass protection? And nearly everyone had Reggie rated about Super Mario!!!! I just don't understand. I really hope I am just suffering from a lack of football knowledge. I really hope I am wrong and this will go down as the smartest football move ever. But looking at it from every angle on how to choose the best player, needs and BPA, Reggie Bush is the best pick. We needed another running back, not another DE. And we especially needed another running back for Kubiak's scheme. And we needed a guy we can line out in the slot. And yet we choose Mario Williams......

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[A Texan]

We needed defensive end??? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have two supposedly good pash-rushing defensive ends in Antwan Peek and Jason Babin? Not saying they will be better at the new position but there also is no guarantee that Super Mario is the next Julius Peppers...here's to hoping. Also didn't we just pick up Anthony Weaver, granted he is not a great pass rusher, and N.D. Kalu, another pass rusher??? What about Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, Seth Payne, etc.?? Is DL really the problem?? Or was it mainly coaching from last year? My bet goes with our biggest problem being coaching, because, after all, many of these guys that we have were either good players before coming to Houston or were rated pretty highly coming out of college.

On to running backs: At running back we have....Domanick Davis. Great back and I love having him on the team...but he has shown some problems with injuries....so to take his place when he is injured we have.......................Vernand Morency?!?!?! Wow!!!! Now running back sure is a strong position......

Look, I'm not the guy whining and saying I'm no longer a Texans fan. But I greatly question this move. And I don't question it based off talent. I do believe Super Mario can be a great player, but is he really comparable to Reggie Bush. Everyone has said all along our problem has been our pass protection. So what do we do? We pick up one offensive lineman, Mike Flanagan, Eric Moulds, and Jeb Putzier. I understand Jeb and Eric will help our pass protection by adding more weapons, but please tell me how picking Mario over Reggie helps our pass protection? And nearly everyone had Reggie rated about Super Mario!!!! I just don't understand. I really hope I am just suffering from a lack of football knowledge. I really hope I am wrong and this will go down as the smartest football move ever. But looking at it from every angle on how to choose the best player, needs and BPA, Reggie Bush is the best pick. We needed another running back, not another DE. And we especially needed another running back for Kubiak's scheme. And we needed a guy we can line out in the slot. And yet we choose Mario Williams......

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

I totally disagree. I don't know if Mario was the best pick or not, but RB was our strongest position and DE was clearly our weakest. Morency will be a star. So as far as picking for need, I think they did that. I just hope Vince Young going to the toitanics doesn't come back to haunt us.

 

[Bronco Texan]

If you want to blame anyone then blame Kubes for a making a decision that will help us win our division. Kubes wanted Mario because he wanted to get in Mannings face. If you ask me we can't go to the Super Bowl if we don't beat the Colts first. I love this decision. Kubes was drafting for our divion. If you win the division then you are getting in to the playoffs. Fastes way to win our division is to do it with D. Great move Kubes keep up the great work!

 

[dwilt72]

I dont wanna be the homer here... but considering the 100s of millions that McNair paid to give us this team.. shouldnt be be thankful, regardless if he wants to draft Mario Williams or his brother Cliff McNair?

Come on! This is the blind sheep attitude that drives me crazy! So is it better to not have a team or have one that makes us a laughing stock. Yes we have a problem! It's called 2-14! If anyone doesn't think that's a problem, then they must also be Cubs fans. Yes McNair is part of the problem. He knew this was going to be a huge PR hit and he did it anyway. Sure it's his team and he's entitled to do what he wants, but not without repercussions. If you fools tend to keep going to games and buying Texans gear no matter what they trot out of the field, then you deserve what you get. However, if you quit going to games and quit putting money in McNair's pocket, eventually he will have to listen!

 

[chadmack21]

At least we can count on Carr leading us to the #1 pick again next yr.we could have drafter vince to replace our biggest waste in NFL history of a #1 overall draft pick (Carr), or even Bush. Its obvious that Casserly is on the way out, McNair dosent have a clue on what he's doing and we are the new replacement for the Bengals of the 90's

 

[bigcarlos]

Maybe next years draft party, there will be more fans cheering for our first overall pick.

 

[chadmack21]

At least we can count on Carr leading us to the #1 pick again next yr.we could have drafter vince to replace our biggest waste in NFL history of a #1 overall draft pick (Carr), or even Bush. Its obvious that Casserly is on the way out, McNair dosent have a clue on what he's doing and we are the new replacement for the Bengals of the 90's

 

[TexanBacker93]

Maybe next years draft party, there will be more fans cheering for our first overall pick.

I hope you aren't expecting the 1st overall next year. Regardless of where they pick I hope the fans will always support the players. Don't hate them.

 

[FirstTexansFan]

To quote El Guapo from the Three Amigos, "Who the hell are you?"

ROFL! I'm still with you El Guapo......

 

[DefLord]

How do you figure McNair is the problem... Even in today's paper (Sunday) Kubes mentioned he wanted Mario. If you think about it this is NOT a popularity contest. Who cares about popularity - Yes Bush is a great college player - but how will he do in the NFL? Who knows? Yes, Young was a great college player - will he do well in the NFL who knows? Honestly every pick is a gamble. If you look at drafts they are either bust or stars. Honestly I rather have a player who is goign to play MORE downs and earn his keep than someone who is only goign to get about 15-20 touchs a game. If you look at history - Steelers won with their defense. New England won with their defense - So I think the TEXANS made the right choice and Im happy because we addressed two of our needs on the defense and we addressed our needs on the Offensive Line. And as far as I am concerned - I am NOT jumping off this bandwagon - I am HAPPY with this draft!

 

[bayshorebevo]

How can you people blindly support everything the Texans do? Kool-aid drinking isn't going to change the 2-14 record from last year. Bush is going to kick butt & VY is going to haunt us for years to come along with the smiling face of Bud Adams. If you think being a fan means you are supposed to swallow all the crap they put a phoney positive spin on, you are probably happy with a losing team forever. When I write that check next month for the final installment on my season tickets, it will be very bittersweet. This was all about the dough.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

How can you people blindly support everything the Texans do? Kool-aid drinking isn't going to change the 2-14 record from last year. Bush is going to kick butt & VY is going to haunt us for years to come along with the smiling face of Bud Adams. If you think being a fan means you are supposed to swallow all the crap they put a phoney positive spin on, you are probably happy with a losing team forever. When I write that check next month for the final installment on my season tickets, it will be very bittersweet. This was all about the dough.

Kool-Aid? What the heck are you talking about? We were served it the last four years and it was awful. This year we went after need and if you do not like the shot of V8 juice that we are drinking at the moment then take your investment and go somewhere else like Tennessee or New Orleans.

 

[OzzO]

Drinking the po'd sour milk isn't gonna change the 2-14 record last year either bayshorebevo. Agree, Bush will kick butt (once NO gets their O-line figured out and how they're gonna handle two major runningback contracts) and VY will be successful as well (after McNair's last year and they get some recievers along with building back up that franchise).

Being a fan you don't have to take it, but once decisions are made - you should be supportive and see the resonings of why they did it. As for a losing team forvever... well - it's year 5 of our toddler franchise, let's see how long forever lasts.

Also, I don't think it was about the dough - our running game was pretty good last year and our defensive pressure blew. I think it was what was best for the team... plus not putting up $30 mil guaranteed for a player who hasn't played in the nfl yet at a position that yes, would've been an upgrade, but not a need. That if he by chance tweaks something early in the season will put the team back to where it was.

Drink some kool-aid, it taste much better than the sour milk anyway.

 

[bayshorebevo]

Kaiser Toro you are a perfect example of a mindless kool-aid drinker

 

[mancunian]

Most GMs have agreed that mario is also a once in 10 years defensive prospect worthy of the #1 pick. Get a clue.

apparently there were other teams with Williams higher than Bush on their draft boards.

 

[aj.]

I almost feel bad for Mario. He could have 20 sacks this year and it won't matter.

 

[PapaL]

Actually, it's been noted that McNair told Casserly and Kubiak to get what player they thought was best (decided Mario) at the time and that he'd take care of the PR afterwards.

You can only hope to work for a guy that will have you back like that when the pressure is on. Only time will tell who will be a star and who be a bust. Nothing is certain in the draft.

 

[aj.]

Exaggeration for effect.

 

[mancunian]

I almost feel bad for Mario. He could have 20 sacks this year and it won't matter.

for the next season Williams will be compared to Bush and Vince Young......wouldn't it be funny if Vince turned out to be the next Aaron Brookes.

 

[aj.]

Not to veer off course but since someone brought up #10, I think McNair (the one who wears #9) leaving Tennessee could slow his development. That's fine by me ... now.

 

[kcwilson]

Bush will be great.
Bush will be a bust.
VY will be the best ever.
VY will never figure out NFL defenses.
D'Brick will be a franchise LT
D'Brick will be an average T
Mario Williams will be the next Reggie White
Mario Williams will be the next Alonzo Spellman

Nobody, anywhere, knows which of these statements is true or false. Every statement has been clouted by "experts" on this site and every mediahead in the USA. This is the move I thought was the smartest move to get a championship caliber team built.

I know I'll be rooting them on from the front row in the end zone.

I can tell you that no one, and I mean, NO ONE will ever be another AlLonzo Spellman. That dude was the for real nut job.

 

[Double Barrel]

I almost feel bad for Mario. He could have 20 sacks this year and it won't matter.

It better matter. If dude has a season like that and the majority of Texans fans don't get behind him, I'll never defend this city as a sports town again. I'd hate to see an inability to hate the FO decisions, but support the players (hey, kinda' reminds you of a sitution in the world right now, 'eh?).

At some point, we have to move on with reality. Let's hope that our defense is something that makes us proud. It better be for the mental health of football fans. And it better be good for the career of Kubiak. This was his decision, and that's why I'm down with this pick, because I believe that he'll be a coach that leads us to greater things.

Personally, I'm not distressed at all. I was a trade down for Mario guy, so I don't make the distinction to hate the pick because it was "the no. 1 overall". I agree with the pick-for-need-over-hype perspective.

 

[HoustonFan]

I know I'll be rooting them on from the front row in the end zone.

No need to brag. lol

 

[Texans86]

We all thought Charlie was the main issue but without a doubt now Bob is the problem. He just out did Bill Bidwill as the biggest gutless owner in the NFL. This sets the team back 5 years and I wonder what it does to Kubiak, obviously he was not in agreement with this choice!:brickwall

I'm amazed at how we can be set back five years, when this is possibly our best draft we've ever had. Not counting the first pick (which is still an improvement, and possible amazing, tiem will tell) and the 4th pick (which was questionable but understandable), we got solid players.

We may have 5 starters come out of this draft (Mario, Ryans, Winston, Spencer and Moulds[5th traded]). We might have 6-7 new starters on offense, all upgrades. That does not equal setting our team back, that equals propelling our team forward.

 

[FirstTexansFan]

Kaiser Toro you are a perfect example of a mindless kool-aid drinker

KT a Kool-Aid drinker? I think not. Me?, I'm the definitive kool-aid drinker. I support my team irregardless of the direction they take. I supported Capers, and I have nothing bad to say about Casserly. I don't care to hear negative things about the Texans, and for the most part, just put negative people on ignore. I'm a HOMER to the bone, and make no apologies for that. Why should I? I've yet to see a soul on this MB that could spell football if I spotted them every letter but the "A". Not a one of you has experience as a GM, Head Coach or an owner. What you have to say has no value, it's just an opinion, and if I'm going to listen to opinions, I choose those that are on the optimistic side. KT? ROFL I disagree with about 90% of what he posts, but, at least he does it with intellect, and without malice. So next time you're looking to pile on a Kool-Aid drinker, keep me in mind, I believe as Martha Stewart says.."It's a good thing"

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

We needed defensive end??? Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have two supposedly good pash-rushing defensive ends in Antwan Peek and Jason Babin? Not saying they will be better at the new position but there also is no guarantee that Super Mario is the next Julius Peppers...here's to hoping. Also didn't we just pick up Anthony Weaver, granted he is not a great pass rusher, and N.D. Kalu, another pass rusher??? What about Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, Seth Payne, etc.?? Is DL really the problem?? Or was it mainly coaching from last year? My bet goes with our biggest problem being coaching, because, after all, many of these guys that we have were either good players before coming to Houston or were rated pretty highly coming out of college.

On to running backs: At running back we have....Domanick Davis. Great back and I love having him on the team...but he has shown some problems with injuries....so to take his place when he is injured we have.......................Vernand Morency?!?!?! Wow!!!! Now running back sure is a strong position......

Look, I'm not the guy whining and saying I'm no longer a Texans fan. But I greatly question this move. And I don't question it based off talent. I do believe Super Mario can be a great player, but is he really comparable to Reggie Bush. Everyone has said all along our problem has been our pass protection. So what do we do? We pick up one offensive lineman, Mike Flanagan, Eric Moulds, and Jeb Putzier. I understand Jeb and Eric will help our pass protection by adding more weapons, but please tell me how picking Mario over Reggie helps our pass protection? And nearly everyone had Reggie rated about Super Mario!!!! I just don't understand. I really hope I am just suffering from a lack of football knowledge. I really hope I am wrong and this will go down as the smartest football move ever. But looking at it from every angle on how to choose the best player, needs and BPA, Reggie Bush is the best pick. We needed another running back, not another DE. And we especially needed another running back for Kubiak's scheme. And we needed a guy we can line out in the slot. And yet we choose Mario Williams......

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

Yes! We had a problem on pass protection but we also had a problem on D side as well. Last year, our DBs looked pretty bad IMO. A part of problem is our DL. Now for Peek,Babin and Mario, who would pick for your DE? We also got Ryans and Two OL to improve both end of the ball. I personally think we really filled our needs with talented prospects.

 

[Texan Asylum]

KT a Kool-Aid drinker? I think not. Me?, I'm the definitive kool-aid drinker. I support my team irregardless of the direction they take. I supported Capers, and I have nothing bad to say about Casserly. I don't care to hear negative things about the Texans, and for the most part, just put negative people on ignore. I'm a HOMER to the bone, and make no apologies for that. Why should I? I've yet to see a soul on this MB that could spell football if I spotted them every letter but the "A". Not a one of you has experience as a GM, Head Coach or an owner. What you have to say has no value, it's just an opinion, and if I'm going to listen to opinions, I choose those that are on the optimistic side. KT? ROFL I disagree with about 90% of what he posts, but, at least he does it with intellect, and without malice. So next time you're looking to pile on a Kool-Aid drinker, keep me in mind, I believe as Martha Stewart says.."It's a good thing"

F-fan, KT happens to love kool-aid...just needs to be chemically altered to improve viscosity. By the way...irregardless isn't a correct term. Something to do with.....

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Kaiser Toro you are a perfect example of a mindless kool-aid drinker

I am the antithesis of a Kool-Aid drinker and go after them with Andrew Jackson type abandon. You are a fan of VY, you can still be one as I will as well. My allegiances as a NFL fan begin and end with one team, the Texans. Outside of that I like to watch certain players and do enjoy watching other teams.

But hey I will drink the Kool-Aid but it is better than drinking burnt orange Fool-Aid.