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McClain says WR only offensive position that might go First Round

YoungTexanFan said:
cb's are not taken in the later rounds, not even the second rounds...at least not ones that you expet to contribute.
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Obvoiusly, the guys most expected to contribute sooner are the players draft earliest. That's a big reason why they're drafted high. But to say that you can't find CBs in the 2nd round (or later) that can start as rookies is just wrong. Here's a list of corners who were drafted outside the 1st round and became starters as rookies.

Shawntae Spencer - SF
Randall Gay - NE
Charles Tillman - CHI
Rashean Mathis - JAX
Ricky Manning - CAR
Ken Lucas - SEA
Fred Smoot - WAS
Andre Dyson - TEN
Mike McKenzie - GB (now w/ Saints)

Conversely, there have been CBs taken in the 1st round who haven't or did not live up to their draft day expectations.

Andre Woolfolk - TEN
Nnamdi Asomugha - OAK
Mike Rumph - SF
Willie Middlebrooks - DEN
Jamar Fletcher - MIA (now w/ SD)
Rashard Anderson - CAR (out of league)
Terry Fair - DET (out of league)
Tom Knight - ARZ (out of league)
Michael Booker - ATL (out of league)
Chris Canty - NE (out of league)

Still, the best chance to get immediate help at CB through the draft will be to take one in the 1st round. But you can say that about just about every position. And I'm not sure that the Texans have to find a 1st year starter at CB anyway. Glenn is still serviceable (was better at the end of '04) and Faggins is a pretty good 3rd corner. If the Texans can find a young corner to groom behind Glenn, that would be great...whatever round he's selected.
 
infantrycak said:
It is baffling IMO why people can accept DE's converting to OLB but have a hard time accepting OLB's converting to ILB's.......

The Texans' ILB's regularly drop into coverage even being asked to cover WR's--part of the zone blitz scheme. Particularly at the beginning of last season several big plays were given up by Foreman trying to cover WR's. DJ would be a huge upgrade in that regard. He may have a problem fending off blocks, but that is coachable and a problem Foreman has as well so between his speed, coverage ability and causing turnovers he would be a big upgrade on Foreman.
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One thing about McClain he can get the MB jumpin' . DJ's my guy no doubt. The guy's been covering college wide outs for three years I believe he gets it. Might fall to thirteen. I don't understand how Mike Willams will get bumped to us . If DJ's gone I vote Yes on Mike Williams. At one point last year he was rated by most ahead of Roy Williams. The only thing is we can barely get the ball to AJ as it now stands.


But if it happens would you pass up Williams & DJ to move down for healthy second and third round picks ? If Beerlover is correct on the other thread and teams on the verge get an itchy trigger finger sould the Texan's move down, pick up some extra picks if the other team at the bottom offered a very nice package ? I mean it's pretty obvious were not going to catch Indi. next year. If we're going to have to wait on Lineman, the two areas of crittical need on this team IMHO, would you give up one guy to infuse the team of the tallent of two or three extra guys, plus their first rounder ? Get a shot at the tight end, conners and tweener LB's/ DE's and the running backs still on the board ? Just a thought.
There is a lot of tallent at the end of day one and the start of day two . Or are Willliams, DJ, Spears enough of the playmakers we need we stand pat ?
 
threetoedpete said:
But if it happens would you pass up Williams & DJ to move down for healthy second and third round picks ?
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If DJ is still on the board when the Texans are on the clock the offer would have to be incredibly sweet to make me move down. If he is not and someone came along wanting Williams or anyone else and would propose something like that IMO you take it and do what Vinny did most likely and take David Baas at the tail end of the 1st and fill up on 2nd and 3rd rounders for other needs such as DL, CB, TE, ILB & RB. JMO but it is unlikely someone comes up with that sweet a proposal--would love it if it happened though.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
I think in a deep draft for CBs we should wait until the 2nd. If he's going to start out in the nickel anyway, might as well get someone with good upside in the 2nd/3rd to groom for another year behind our other CBs.
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Agree. Prefer to look at positions where talent is less deep. CB and RB appear deep this year and a very good player could drop into 2nd or 3rd round.
 
threetoedpete said:
One thing about McClain he can get the MB jumpin' . DJ's my guy no doubt. The guy's been covering college wide outs for three years I believe he gets it. Might fall to thirteen. I don't understand how Mike Willams will get bumped to us . If DJ's gone I vote Yes on Mike Williams. At one point last year he was rated by most ahead of Roy Williams. The only thing is we can barely get the ball to AJ as it now stands.


But if it happens would you pass up Williams & DJ to move down for healthy second and third round picks ? If Beerlover is correct on the other thread and teams on the verge get an itchy trigger finger sould the Texan's move down, pick up some extra picks if the other team at the bottom offered a very nice package ? I mean it's pretty obvious were not going to catch Indi. next year. If we're going to have to wait on Lineman, the two areas of crittical need on this team IMHO, would you give up one guy to infuse the team of the tallent of two or three extra guys, plus their first rounder ? Get a shot at the tight end, conners and tweener LB's/ DE's and the running backs still on the board ? Just a thought.
There is a lot of tallent at the end of day one and the start of day two . Or are Willliams, DJ, Spears enough of the playmakers we need we stand pat ?
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Excellent question,but extremely tough to answer--unless you're inside Texans organization. How they grade players and the inside info they have on our team and draftable players will make that call. I mean who guessed we really liked Babin and would trade all of those picks for him?
 
YoungTexanFan said:
cb's are not taken in the later rounds, not even the second rounds...at least not ones that you expet to contribute.
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New England had an undrafted FA CB playing for them in the Superbowl and they still managed to win it. Sometimes being a first round CB has to do with the system you played on defense and how highly hyped the college was, and if you got to play all four years are got to play one or two because someone else that was great was in front of you.

I'd like the Texans to take Brandon Browner, especially if they can trade down some and still get him. He's 6'4" 202 with speed and he was all PAC 10. As big as WR's are getting now adays a team needs someone like Browner to pair up with them.
 
I say a little compitition is good. Just cause you don't start doesn't mean you won't play. Let the players figure that one. From what I have heard, Blackstock is a player. I'm not sure, but I think blackstock played in an 3-4 in college can anyone help on that?
 
They talk down people they like. Talk up people they don't. Hoping someone will slide down to them. First rule of the draft. Take the best player avaliable no matter what position. Use late rounds to fill needs.
 
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