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McClain says WR only offensive position that might go First Round

Basically what he is saying is that we don't need to spend our first round pick on a wide receiver. We need to either draft another shutdown corner so that our linebackers and safeties can blitz more, or get another outside linebacker.

My personal opinion would be to either draft a cornerback (PacMan Jones) or Marcus Spears with our first pick.
 
I think he's saying it would be less likely that they'd take a DL or LB in the first round than a WR and WR is the most likely position on offense that they'd take a first round pick with. Most of this tends to go against conventional wisdom or popular belief to this point - our top pick would be either DL, LB, or OL.
Maybe Cass is feeding McClain a bunch of BS to divert attention from what
his top priorities really are.
 
So McClain wants the Texans to 86 the deep passing game & go conservative.
Things can be done on offense to provide better pass protection. Carr's drops can be shorter. He can get rid of the ball quicker. Pass routes can be shorter. More players can be kept in to help with protection.
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Didn't they try that in '03? The only season where Carr had any serious injuries. McClain forgot to say throw more dump offs to the RB and run more on 1st & 2nd downs. Yeah, that's a much better idea than improving the offensive line.

McClain points out that the Texans need a better pass rush. Who knew? But, they can't take a defensive lineman or outside linebacker?
Teams playing a 3-4 defense seldom use No. 1 picks on linemen, so we can rule that out.
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Well, Pittsburgh did use a 1st on NT Casey Hampton. And the 3 time Super Bowl Champions, the New England Patriots, have used 3 1st round picks on defensive linemen in the past 4 drafts. And teams like San Diego & Oakland have only run the 34 defense for a year, so we really don't know what their position on taking defensive linemen early is. Maybe it's a little soon to "rule that out".
There are several prospects who might be able to make the move from college defensive end to outside linebacker in a 3-4, but it's doubtful the Texans will use another No. 1 pick on a player at this position.
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Why? If you have the Texans moving Wong inside, pointed out that the team probably isn't "high" on Peek, then who plays the ROLB spot?

The Texans could select a young, talented corner in the 1st round this draft. But, the logic McClain uses to get to that conclusion is dubious. They could also select an offensive lineman, defensive lineman, or linebacker. Who that player might be will likely be determined by where the Texans have him rated on theor draft board.
 
At this point, McClain's just saying what he wants to see happen. It holds no more validity than any opinion posted on these boards. I seriously doubt CC will refuse to take another DL in the first round, just because McClain thinks teams don't do that. I'm not saying we will take DL, just that we're not going to rule it out for historical reasons.

At this point, the Texans probably only have a few rules regarding the first round ... no QBs and no special teams players. The teams in front of us in the draft will determine what position we pick.
 
Reading between the lines a bit...

I think the Texans may have a couple of WR's rated pretty high and they will not pass on a very highly rated player to fill needs with a high salaried number 1 choice if a defender doesn't carry the same grade (or darn near close to it). The only players that won't be considered with our first pick are probably QB and kicker, but if all is equal or semi-equal they will take a defender.
 
I think if Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards falls to us, we take them. Otherwise, I think we will go front seven on defense.
 
Peek has been a liability against the run. I guess we could throw him in the deep end and see if he can swim.
 
I kinda get the feeling from this article that the author feels the Texans should draft another CB with the first round pick idonno: I wouldn't complain about that, just as long as he can come in and contribute.
 
LikeABoss said:
I kinda get the feeling from this article that the author feels the Texans should draft another CB with the first round pick idonno: I wouldn't complain about that, just as long as he can come in and contribute.
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This is not a bad plan at all. Some would say, why use a 1st round on a nickle back. But what they dont think about is what if, and I hope it doesnt happen, but what if Dunta goes down? Who will fill the shoes? Faggins? Who will play nickle if he is hurt? And more likely, what if Glenn goes down for a few games or the season? I think you really need to look at the CB's.
 
DC_ROCK said:
This is not a bad plan at all. Some would say, why use a 1st round on a nickle back. But what they dont think about is what if, and I hope it doesnt happen, but what if Dunta goes down? Who will fill the shoes? Faggins? Who will play nickle if he is hurt? And more likely, what if Glenn goes down for a few games or the season? I think you really need to look at the CB's.
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makes sense to me too. the combines will be critical (times, sizes, lifting, testing & interviewing) in determining the Texans draft board order, even if they do have thier list already narrowed down to a player. Hence I think before we attempt another Mock Draft that we wait until March 14th to officially begin the 2nd chapter. This would allow time to anaylze all the data plus free agency begins 1st of March, allowing teams to make moves like they have in years past, thus setting drafting needs more in order. :twocents:
 
I'm starting grow on the idea of drafting another young corner like Pac-man Jones or Antrell Rolle. We need to have 3 good corners anyway in our division because of the Colts.
 
:howdy: What McClain is saying is that CC usually does not draft linemen in the first round . Hes trending a bit . He also said that they would probably consider a WR. on offense in the first and thats it . Thats his opinion no conspiracy . If Ced Benson fell to 13 I would not pass on him .
 
I think in a deep draft for CBs we should wait until the 2nd. If he's going to start out in the nickel anyway, might as well get someone with good upside in the 2nd/3rd to groom for another year behind our other CBs.
 
beerlover said:
the combines will be critical (times, sizes, lifting, testing & interviewing) in determining the Texans draft board order, even if they do have thier list already narrowed down to a player.
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Casserly stated that the combine is not critical at all. Their scouting is done and the only thing that the combine gives them is a medical report.

The only thing that really changes is the internet "scouts" mocks.
 
CC is not a big fan of workout warriors . Thats a good thing cause the road is littered with guys with great 40s who can't play . The Texans will get a shot at a really good player . 2 QBs, 3 RBs , 2 CBs , 2 WRs , 2 LBs thats 11 top notch players and there may be more . You just know there will be a couple of picks for need before 13 . That leaves the Texans with options.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Some would say, why use a 1st round on a nickle back.
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I'm gonna be right at the head of the line of guys asking that qustion. OK
look, last year NE drafts a very good Miami DL (Vince Wilfork), in the first round and uses him basically as a reserve this year. And that's probably what the Pats had in mind for him. But hey, we're no NE. NE may have the luxury
of keeping 1st round picks around as reserves, we're in no such position. This
is a fairly high pick 1st rounder (13th overall) - we really oughta think first about getting someone who plays from day one like the rest of our #1s - Carr, AJ, D-Rob, Babin.
 
I for one am so glad McClain finally said what I've been wanting. Shift Wong to the middle, Babin/Peek on the outside. Now that would make a great blitzing defense.
 
:howdy: Whats the easiest position to walk in and play ? Guys like Carr , AJ , Robinson , Babin , Pitts those guys are the exceptions . Pitts was out of neccessity .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:howdy: Whats the easiest position to walk in and play ? Guys like Carr , AJ , Robinson , Babin , Pitts those guys are the exceptions . Pitts was out of neccessity .
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Running back.

We started a bunch of guys because we are an expansion team. You will find we start fewer rookies as we mature and have a more complete team.
 
:howdy: First thing I'm not arguing today I'm tired . Coming out of college players have to adjust to the speed of the game and the size of the players . If the Texans drafted Spears its not as much to start tommorrow as it is to start revamping an old DL. Spears is 296 and would probably add 20 lbs in 5 yrs . The guy blocking him would already weighs over 300 and is most likely stronger .
 
Vinny said:
Casserly stated that the combine is not critical at all. Their scouting is done and the only thing that the combine gives them is a medical report.

The only thing that really changes is the internet "scouts" mocks.
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yeah I read that BS too, but unless I'm wrong the combines are the 1st stop to get their specifics verfied, then comes pro days around the country & the prospects most likely to be drafted get private workouts, I'm I wrong? Why then even bother showing up at the combines if it means nothing :um:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
What McClain is saying is that CC usually does not draft linemen in the first round...
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No, that's what you are saying. Read the quote and McClain says nothing about Casserly.

Casserly hasn't selected a defensive lineman in the 1st round in the previous 3 Texan drafts. But he did take D-linemen in the 1st twice when with Washington ('91 & '97) and did give up a 1st round pick for Big Daddy Wilkerson in '98. All depends on how far you look back in order to "trend".
 
:howdy: Lucky so you just narrowed it down more . CC has only taken two DL since 90 in the first . McClain says 3-4 teams usually don't draft a DL in the first . I guess you want a TE also . This is an article of a football writers view . This is a trend 2 times since 1990 . What was the highest he's ever picked a DL ? I bet it was'nt top 10 cause he usually picks WRs , CBs ,QBs, .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I guess you want a TE also
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Huh? Where did that come from?
Honoring Earl 34 said:
What was the highest he's ever picked a DL ? I bet it was'nt top 10 cause he usually picks WRs , CBs ,QBs, .
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The highest Casserly has ever taken a D-lineman was at #17 for Kenard Lang back in '97. He also gave up the #17 pick (& a 3rd rounder) in '98 for Wilkerson.

BTW Toto, we're not in the top 10 anymore. And if Casserly were to draft a D-linemen in the opening round this year, it would tie CB & WR as the position Casserly selects most in the 1st round.

I know it's just McClain's opinion. I was voicing my opinion of his opinion. That's what we do here.
 
It seemed like McClain went through every position except QB and TE and said not in the first. Yes, he said good things about CB's, but then he said the draft is very deep in CB's... so... that should mean we don't have to go there in the first. We could take someone like Antonio Perkins later for nickle back and KR. Well if we don't take anyone... Maybe he's hinting we shouldn't take anyone in the first... maybe we should trade down... say with Philly and get the 31st and 35th picks in the draft... Value boards work out even at 1150 points. Then maybe we can draft all those people McClain didn't want us to take in the first round... of course 31 is still the first... but just barely. So starting at 31...

How about a FS's like James Butler or Josh Bullucks.
DT's at that time like Mosley or Castillo
OG's like Baas or Brown.

Between 31 and 47 we could take three of those guys. Then come back with two more in the third round. Five picks in the first three rounds... That wouldn't hurt.
 
beerlover said:
yeah I read that BS too, but unless I'm wrong the combines are the 1st stop to get their specifics verfied, then comes pro days around the country & the prospects most likely to be drafted get private workouts, I'm I wrong? Why then even bother showing up at the combines if it means nothing :um:
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Teams do their scouting based on game film not individual workouts. Workouts only confirm what they see on film.
 
:howdy: Lucky why do have to call people dog names ? CC has never drafted a DL in the top half of the draft . The year he took a DL 17 there were two less teams that was the point . Rin Tin Tin
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Lucky why do have to call people dog names ?
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Come on, man. We're not in the top 10 (Kansas) anymore. Wizard of Oz?

Nevermind.

Can you give me a logical reason as to why the Texans won't select a DL at #13? I haven't seen one from McClain or you, as of yet.

That stogie chomping smilie is starting to freak me out.
 
:howdy: I said before I hope they take Marcus Spears 1st . I have a mock draft from a month ago .
1 Spears 2 Baas 3 M . Patterson 3b Lance Mitchell 4 Matt Jones

My hero is yosemite sam :howdy:
 
if I had to estimate the 13th pick and I am no genius ...

K --no
P -- no
QB--no
RB --Casserlies history is NOT draft a RB in the 1st round
WR-- could use one if one of the elite WR drop.
TE-- what I hear 13th pick is too high for the TE's in this draft
OL-- middle of line seems to be our weakness (IMO) and someone like bass at 13 is a reach..
DL--- doubt it... Casserly in last years draft (or year before) stated about finding linemen in middle of draft ..
LB- DJ might be the one we draft if he slips.
CB-- I think that is a possibitlity given Glenn's age and what 2 years left on contract? ...
S--- I am doubtful on that one at 13.. we haven't seen all of what earl can do and Coleman is signed for a few years still


I think we go skill position for 13 given we shouldn't be drafting this high for a while.
 
Wolf said:
... Casserly in last years draft (or year before) stated about finding linemen in middle of draft ..
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How's that coming, so far? Charley is 0 fer 4 in taking D-linemen in the middle rounds or later. And why is a skill position player more important or harder to find than a lineman?
 
We are NOT looking for another nickle corner. We would be looking for a STARTING CB to replace Glenn with. Hopefully he would be as good as DRob and could learn from Glenn. The only one I see that has a real chance of doing that is Pac-Man. Others MIGHT be able to but IMO, they are much longer shots to do it. Starting CBs are typicaly first rounders and usually pretty high ones. We put two hot CBs on the corners and Babin and Peek at the edges, we will be able to cover tight and shoot the backers. Can you say "Blitz away!"
 
:howdy: If you can't raise the bridge lower the water with a CB . What are the hardest positions to find ? I think QBs , CBs , 2nd coming of LT , a stud left tackle .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:howdy: If you can't raise the bridge lower the water with a CB . What are the hardest positions to find ? I think QBs , CBs , 2nd coming of LT , a stud left tackle .
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I don't think any of us would be upset with a Pac-Man or even a Rolle at #13. There is no stud left tackle in this draft. Not even if we had #1 overall. LT is the best player in the entire NFL. Ronnie's pretty good, but he ain't LT.

Then again, I wouldn't be upset with a Marcus Spears at #13 either.
 
:howdy: My LT is Lawrence Taylor . I forgot Tomlinson is LT also . One of my alltime favorites was Ronnie Lott . He was a bad dude as a 49er .
 
I'm hearing alot of things in this thread, but I've yet to hear any love or recognition for the fullback. Why not take a FB at #13? :hairpull:
 
a FB? are you crazy, they make the league minimum almost all the time, not first round money. and LT was a bad ***. Maybe the coke helped but he was full of emotion. When we get some help on the dline and maybe another DB, my boy peek will be creating some havoc. He may not be LT but he will strike fear into a QB when he comes flying off the edge. The thing is, this defense will be a domino effect when we get about 2 more pieces. If you block one guy and double team him, then the next guy is coming for you. A dominant dlineman, a ILB, and maybe another DB and this defense will scare some people. Imagine sending Peek, Babin, Sharper, and Wong all at once in a blitz. ONe of them will get htere with some help from the line. It wont be stopped if it happens.
 
:howdy: I like Peek . I also think he and Capers or whoever are'nt on the same page yet . They both need to give a little . Theres nothing wrong with a good old fashion FB . My favorite is the Saints guy from Arizona State . I think his name is Karney .
 
I'd say fullback, but I am ok with Norris at this time. There are no Alonzo Highsmiths coming into the draft (awesome player before he was injured) or even so... why pay 13th money for a lorenzo neal.. I think lorenzo is pretty good,but how many touches does he get.. sure he blocks and catches an occasional pass. .. but at 13.. I am hoping for a playmaker at a skills position because next season.. hopefully we are picking around 20 and the pickings are slim at that point
 
I think I would expect them to pick a CB, WR, or ILB at 13. They could maybe trade down a few spots and still get the DL they might want. I can't wait for the draft, because that means we are one step closer to a new season. :)
 
cb's are not taken in the later rounds, not even the second rounds...at least not ones that you expet to contribute. the great cbs are early first round picks not mid second. rolle's style of play at cb does not fit the nfl right now: he is a physical guy, see references to safty in other post. the only two cb's that project to be speed guys with great talent are pac-man and justin miller from clemson. miller is a little bigger.
top choices if we decide to get a gamechanger to help our secondary our choice should be:
Pac-man or Justin Miller
Bass in second round

Top choice if we dont do the above:
Marcus spears
bass in second round

Under no circumstance with a positive future for this team should we draft mike williams. he should not be considered.

also, people were mentioning an ILB for #13. who plays ILB worthy of 13? nobody, dj is an OLB and will be gone. best option for that is someone like boomer grigsby in later rounds.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
cb's are not taken in the later rounds, not even the second rounds...at least not ones that you expet to contribute. the great cbs are early first round picks not mid second.
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I'd agree with you most years, but this year there's a whole pile of great CB prospects compared to the normal 3-4. Rolle, Pac-man, Justin Miller, Carlos Rodgers, Brandon Browner, Marlin Jackson and Bryant McFadden would all have a 1st round shot any other year. One or two of these guys might still be available in the 2nd.
 
beerlover said:
yeah I read that BS too, but unless I'm wrong the combines are the 1st stop to get their specifics verfied, then comes pro days around the country & the prospects most likely to be drafted get private workouts, I'm I wrong? Why then even bother showing up at the combines if it means nothing :um:
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Using college classes as an example, most of your grade (75-80%) came from essays or test (games), but the other 20-25% came from other stuff homework (work ethic), quizzes (combine, workouts, and personal interviews) group work (character) and class participation and attendence (health).

Depending on the class and teacher (32 NFL team) those other things weight differently. Without those extras an instructor can give grades fairly accurately for most students based on the test and essay, but there students whose grade is effected by the other stuff.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
also, people were mentioning an ILB for #13. who plays ILB worthy of 13? nobody, dj is an OLB and will be gone. best option for that is someone like boomer grigsby in later rounds.
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It is baffling IMO why people can accept DE's converting to OLB but have a hard time accepting OLB's converting to ILB's.

Lots of mock drafts have DJ available at #13 right now so there is no reason to act like there is any certainty he will be gone. IMO he would be a great ILB for the Texans. While he was an OLB in college he was not a regular pass rusher and spent much more time dropping into coverage. The Texans' ILB's regularly drop into coverage even being asked to cover WR's--part of the zone blitz scheme. Particularly at the beginning of last season several big plays were given up by Foreman trying to cover WR's. DJ would be a huge upgrade in that regard. He may have a problem fending off blocks, but that is coachable and a problem Foreman has as well so between his speed, coverage ability and causing turnovers he would be a big upgrade on Foreman.
 
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