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Houston Texans Tidbits: Mike Mayock Talks Quarterbacks Heading to the NFL Combine

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Yesterday at 11:34 PM

NFL Network Analyst Mike Mayock discussed prospects heading to the 2016 NFL Combine and we highlight some of the discussion on the quarterbacks heading to Indianapolis.

With all of the attention pointed to the quarterbacks for the Houston Texans, the NFL Combine is jumping to the forefront on the NFL landscape this coming week. NFL Network's Analyst Mike Mayock talked about prospects during the NFL draft and we picked some key tidbits concerning the quarterbacks that are headed to the NFL Combine.

On Penn State's Christian Hackenberg
“I don't care how tough you are or how good you are, if you get hit enough, it's going to affect you. Look at Christian Hackenberg at Penn State.”

On Mid-Round Quarterbacks
“When you start talking about third, fourth, fifth round, middle-round quarterbacks, one of the big questions this year with GMs around the league is, okay, who's the next Kirk Cousins? Who's that next middle-round that can get you to the playoffs, if he needed to start down the road?”

Wildcards at the Quarterback Position
"Then I have two wild cards, and the wild cards from me are Christian Hackenberg from Penn State and Cardale Jones from Ohio State, both of whom have a ton of talent, big, good-looking kids, but their tape is poor. So they're going to be wild cards as to who -- because they have the upside of being from -- from a skills perspective, they have starter skills, but their tape is poor.”

Mayock on Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch
“The next guy up is Paxton Lynch and you'd better do your homework on him. He's 6'7", reminds me of Joe Flacco coming out of Delaware. He's a great athlete for 6'7". He'll surprise you with his athletic ability.”

  • He's got a big arm, but he's a year or two away from playing.
On Stanford’s Kevin Hogan
“Hogan is probably the most ready intellectually of any of those quarterbacks. I mean, at Stanford, from a pass protection, in a run scheme, change at the line of scrimmage, what they ask him to do, it's probably as close to what you're going to see in the NFL as any of them. So he's going to come in and pick it up very quickly, and he's the type of kid that made a lot of headway from his sophomore year to his senior year.”

Mayock Comparing North Dakota State's Carson Wentz to the Colts’ Andrew Luck
"When I look at him, I see a kid that's as athletic or more athletic than Andrew Luck. He's bigger than Andrew Luck. He's got arm strength comparable to Andrew Luck. He just doesn't have the experience that Andrew Luck has at a high level that Andrew has coming out of college."

"I see a ceiling for this kid similar to Andrew Luck. That's why I believe in this kid so much. But it's going to take a little bit of time. His character apparently is off the charts. That's what I was told by everybody surrounding the Senior Bowl that had any dealings with him. Smart, tough, loves the game."

  • 23 starts and 20-3 as a starter.
  • Division I-AA competition.
  • Lacks experience that Luck had coming out of college.


Mayock on California's Jared Goff
“Regarding Goff, polished, great in the pocket, finds lanes to throw, really good arm. Not elite, but a really good arm, very accurate with a quick release. Most ready to play quarterback in the draft today.”

  • Lean and Needs to Add Weight.
Mayock on Michigan State's Connor Cook
"I think he's a complicated question, and I'll start with the premise that I think he's one of the four quarterbacks that has the physical talent to be a first-round draft pick."

  • Never been over a 60% completion. Mayock points out Michigan State throws the ball vertrical aggressively.
  • Likes his toughness as a QB in the pocket.
  • Some teams and GMs it does not matter he was not a captain, others teams it matters.
  • Mayock questions why he did not go to the Senior Bowl.
Based on Mayock’s conference call, this is what his quarterback ranks appear to look like.
1. Carson Wentz, North Dakota State

2. Jared Goff, California

3. Paxton Lynch, Memphis

4. Connor Cook, Michigan State

Wild Cards: Christian Hackenberg, Penn State and Cardale Jones, Ohio State

6. Kevin Hogan, Stanford

7. Brandon Allen, Arkansas

8. Dak Prescott, Mississippi State

9. Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State
 
So you're saying this franchise remaining irrelevant is a good thing.
So you're saying drafting a qb in the first round will definitely make us relevant? What if all the first round talent QB's are gone? What if Elliot is the next Foster?
 
I agree but you're wasting your time telling the draftniks here. They don't like him much if at all.

I actually like Brissett. His problem is that he is either hot or cold. Not a lot of consistency. Lance Zierlein compared him to Brett Hundley recently and I thought that was a pretty good comparison. I think Brissett is a better passer while Hundley is a better athlete, but he made a very good point about their consistency and bad habits.
 
So you're saying drafting a qb in the first round will definitely make us relevant? What if all the first round talent QB's are gone? What if Elliot is the next Foster?
No, I'm not saying just drafting a QB makes them relevant, I'm saying until they find their franchise QB, they will be where they've been the last 14 years, pretty mediocre with horrible to a couple of playoff runs mixed in.
 
I actually like Brissett. His problem is that he is either hot or cold. Not a lot of consistency. Lance Zierlein compared him to Brett Hundley recently and I thought that was a pretty good comparison. I think Brissett is a better passer while Hundley is a better athlete, but he made a very good point about their consistency and bad habits.


Hard to be consistent when Youre getting killed.
 
No, I'm not saying just drafting a QB makes them relevant, I'm saying until they find their franchise QB, they will be where they've been the last 14 years, pretty mediocre with horrible to a couple of playoff runs mixed in.


Not being an ass but define franchise QB.
 
A good Schaub or better who can actually play the freaking position and not be someone who leads the team to a dumpster fire despite good talent around. Someone who can overcome at least some of the team's deficiencies with his play and put the team on his shoulders to go win a football game, which we haven't had around here since good Schaub. Someone who can do that for long enough to not be worrying about QB every off-season and you can get to building your team.
 
A good Schaub or better who can actually play the freaking position and not be someone who leads the team to a dumpster fire despite good talent around. Someone who can overcome at least some of the team's deficiencies with his play and put the team on his shoulders to go win a football game, which we haven't had around here since good Schaub. Someone who can do that for long enough to not be worrying about QB every off-season and you can get to building your team.
I agree. But, just out of curiosity...who do you have in mind? Name all the "good Schaubs, or better" that are available via draft or FA. Not trying to be a prick or anything like that, sorry if it seems like it.
 
all I know is we got a lot of QB's right now yet at the same time we DONT HAVE a lot of QB's LOL

Hoyer
Weeden
Yates
Savage
BJ
Rookie QB #1
Rookie QB #2 heck u never know

can we cut that down to only 2 ..?????
 
all I know is we got a lot of QB's right now yet at the same time we DONT HAVE a lot of QB's LOL

Hoyer
Weeden
Yates
Savage
BJ
Rookie QB #1
Rookie QB #2 heck u never know

can we cut that down to only 2 ..?????

We don't have all those Qbs and your posts are rarely LOL (at least the way you intend it).
 
A good Schaub or better who can actually play the freaking position and not be someone who leads the team to a dumpster fire despite good talent around. Someone who can overcome at least some of the team's deficiencies with his play and put the team on his shoulders to go win a football game, which we haven't had around here since good Schaub. Someone who can do that for long enough to not be worrying about QB every off-season and you can get to building your team.

To be fair, bad Schaub won that game in San Diego week 1.

But even good Schaub wasn't "franchise" I don't think. Better than your avg starter... sure. But unless you'rewilling to pay him franchise money... top 5, he's not a franchise player. My opinion of course.
 
I agree. But, just out of curiosity...who do you have in mind? Name all the "good Schaubs, or better" that are available via draft or FA. Not trying to be a prick or anything like that, sorry if it seems like it.
~Why bring up reality when all that is needed is desire?~
:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:
 
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all I know is we got a lot of QB's right now yet at the same time we DONT HAVE a lot of QB's LOL

Hoyer
Weeden
Yates
Savage
BJ
Rookie QB #1
Rookie QB #2 heck u never know

can we cut that down to only 2 ..?????
Hoyer is under contract this year, but might be cut.
Weeden is a FA.
Yates is a FA.
Savage is under Contract for 2 more years.
Everyone else is pure speculation.
 
I agree. But, just out of curiosity...who do you have in mind? Name all the "good Schaubs, or better" that are available via draft or FA. Not trying to be a prick or anything like that, sorry if it seems like it.

One of the more annoying things posters do is start telling other posters to "name all of those guys," "name all of the free agent QBs that fit that description," "name all the teams that would be willing to do that." You and Marshall seem to do this more often than others. You both clearly miss the point consistently.
 
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One of the more annoying things posters do is start telling other posters to "name all of those guys," "name all of the free agent QBs that fit that description," "name all the teams that would be willing to do that." You and Marshall seem to do this more often than others. You both clearly miss the point consistently.

What's really annoying is when it's the 52nd time the question has been asked - like 'what QBs could OB have drafted?' It's make work.
 
I'd rather take a flyer on Cardale Jones late in the draft than go into next year with the current batch of QBs up to and including Savage. Bring back Weeden? OMG I just threw up in mouth a little bit.
 
One of the more annoying things posters do is start telling other posters to "name all of those guys," "name all of the free agent QBs that fit that description," "name all the teams that would be willing to do that." You and Marshall seem to do this more often than others. You both clearly miss the point consistently.
And you clearly miss the point that desire alone will NOT get you the QB you desire. There must be opportunity and capability to go along with that desire. You can easily get something short of what you desire, but even getting THAT QB is a risk, so value goes into play. Just because you're willing to GAMBLE on a 3:1 shot doesn't mean you should GAMBLE on a 30:1 shot unless the cost is right. What we really disagree on is value and not desire.
 
Reported in the Chronicle this morning, Goff was measured with a small hand size of only 9 inches. This may effect his draft status. Because of playing conditions in Cleveland, the Browns are having second thoughts about taking him with the second pick.
 
Lol

In other news, the prospect of playing in Cleveland is rumored to have kept him less than fully engorged.

Should have taken the measurement at 2:15 am,
 
Combine coverage of QBs has Urban Meyer on and he said he spoke to OB about Hackenburg. He said OB obviously thinks very highly of him and the real conversation was about how much time coaches get to develop their guy before they get the boot. It sounded an awful lot like OB would like to take Hackenburg and develop him.
 
Combine coverage of QBs has Urban Meyer on and he said he spoke to OB about Hackenburg. He said OB obviously thinks very highly of him and the real conversation was about how much time coaches get to develop their guy before they get the boot. It sounded an awful lot like OB would like to take Hackenburg and develop him.

If we draft Hackenberg before the 5th round it will be the most disappointed I've ever been with this team
 
And you clearly miss the point that desire alone will NOT get you the QB you desire. There must be opportunity and capability to go along with that desire. You can easily get something short of what you desire, but even getting THAT QB is a risk, so value goes into play. Just because you're willing to GAMBLE on a 3:1 shot doesn't mean you should GAMBLE on a 30:1 shot unless the cost is right. What we really disagree on is value and not desire.

You can get any QB you desire in this draft.

It's just a matter of how much you're willing to give up to get that QB. The risk/reward thingy isn't something that McNair/Smith are known for. I personally agree with this philosophy as it relates to this draft.
 
I agree. Hackenburg could turn out to be another Hoyer. OB has probably wanted him for 3 years.

Not that I'm a Hackenberg fan, but Hoyer's issue was that he folded under pressure. All QBs do, to different degrees & different amounts of "pressure" Like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Big Ben.... it's not easy to generate the kind of pressure to make them fold. But it can be done. Hoyer is on the opposite end. Very little pressure & he can't function.

But he'll look great in practice wearing that red jersey.

I haven't seen that kind of reaction from Hackenberg.
 
all I know is we got a lot of QB's right now yet at the same time we DONT HAVE a lot of QB's LOL

Hoyer
Weeden
Yates
Savage
BJ
Rookie QB #1
Rookie QB #2 heck u never know

can we cut that down to only 2 ..?????
Outside of Wentz and Goff the Texans already have the remaining QB in the draft talent on their roster.
 
Outside of Wentz and Goff the Texans already have the remaining QB in the draft talent on their roster.

I agree with that. And at 22, there's no way to trade that far up to get them, since both will go very early.

So, there's not a "franchise" QB that will be there at 22, so there's really no point in taking one in this draft at all.
 
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