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Matt Schaub Signs Extension

Dutchrudder said:
You have no idea how much of it is incentive based, there's no way to tell how much he's really going to earn. 25 guaranteed is actually pretty reasonable, as that's basically 2 years guaranteed, plus a little more. As I said earlier, I hope it's backloaded so that we are basically making a 2-3 year deal with him, and he won't earn the 20 million or whatever it could be in year 4. Look at some of those contracts you linked, almost every one of those QBs are making outrageous sums in their final years, and it's unlikely they will get it.

I'm willing to bet about 10 million of it is tied up in incentives based on things like starting 14-16 regular season games, 2 million bonus for winning the Super Bowl, 1 million bonus for winning AFC, etc etc. QB contracts are always inflated by stuff like that.
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I'd love to know what his anual salary is for the first three years.

25 guaranteed over 4 years is just a little more than $6M/yr, his salary for this year may be as low as $2M/yr & like you said, incentives based on games played, play-off placing, pro-bowl, AFC Championship game appearance... etc, etc...

He may only make $8M this year, which is about right for him.

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If he keeps playing like today he'll be worth every penny. Great play from Schaub today coming off injury with an OL that wasn't doing him any favors.
 
Fiddler said:
62/4= 15.5

Are we paying Matt $15.5M/yr?

I tell you what... Houston fans love them some Schaub. I was up in 609, and after another disappointing drive (before the turnovers) I tried to start the chant, "TJ, TJ, TJ.... "
I got some ugly looks and almost didn't make it out of there.
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Why?
 
Fiddler said:
I'd love to know what his anual salary is for the first three years.

25 guaranteed over 4 years is just a little more than $6M/yr, his salary for this year may be as low as $2M/yr & like you said, incentives based on games played, play-off placing, pro-bowl, AFC Championship game appearance... etc, etc...

He may only make $8M this year, which is about right for him.

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Yeah it's 6 a year average, but the guaranteed money will be paid out by the end of year 2. I'm guessing he got about 8 million signing bonus, and a salary structure of 8, 10, 12, 15 per, with the rest being an assortment of bonuses. I'm expecting it to be a cap friendly deal too, Matt seems like the kind of guy who would do that.
 
I can't explain it, but schaubs throws actually look better.

His throws aren't as airy as they used to be. I dint feel like I'm watching the ball travel in slow motion to it's target.
 
Rey said:
I can't explain it, but schaubs throws actually look better.

His throws aren't as airy as they used to be. I dint feel like I'm watching the ball travel in slow motion to it's target.
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I agree Rey he's got more zip on the ball.
 
How close is Schaub to being 100 % with that foot? I recall a 3rd and goal when he seemed to have an easy daylight (opening) into the end zone had he ran it in but he sort of stayed too long in the pocket, as if running wasn't an option, and forced an incomplete pass to the corner of the end zone. Not that Schaub was ever a runner but I've seen him make plays with his feet (running Touchdowns), especially against Miami, in the past on similar type of plays.

We ended up getting a Field Goal when we should have gotten 6 points. It was interesting to hear the crowd booing every time we settled for a field goal. At least on that particular play, I would have been on board with the disappointment. A good thing the defense forced 4 turnovers and scored 24 points off those turnovers.

We better play much better against the Patriots, Packers, Ravens, Bears and whatever good teams we play this season. If we play like today against the good teams I'll be awfully worried. That's the only down part of playing the Dolphins and Jaguars -- two bad teams the first two weeks. You don't need to play your best to win but I'll take the 2-0 record.

We'll be tested Week 3 at Denver. I can't wait for that one.
 
I'm good with this. If Barwin doesn't look like he's gonna produce, save the $$ on an extension and lets see what Whiney can do. Barwin looked average, at best, today.
 
Wolf said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...att-schaub-signs-contract-extension-after-win
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This is a great bargain for the team. Franchise quarterbacks are a rarity and must be protected from hitting the FA market. While there's a debate about where Schaub ranks among his peers at the position, in my opinion there's ample statistical evidence that he's an elite quarterback who deserves to get paid as such. Locking him up now was a very wise move because this team is primed to make a deep run, and every future success this season will only bump his price tag higher. Let's assume the Texans win the AFC or the SB and Schaub hits FA next season....what would the market price for his services be then?
 
DocBar said:
I'm good with this. If Barwin doesn't look like he's gonna produce, save the $$ on an extension and lets see what Whiney can do. Barwin looked average, at best, today.
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I'm very worried that he bulked up too much and lost some of his speed & athleticism.
 
Matt got about what I thought he would but I expected it to be with another team. If there is no upfront bonus to average out and the last year is back loaded and non guaranteed (which it probaby is) this could be a very good deal for team. I have very mixed feelings about Matt but he looked good today. His passes seem to be more linear or "on a string than before.

When I reworked my 2013 mock yesterday, I exchanged QB for OLB but did not know why. I just had the feeling last night that Matt would re-sign but had absolutly nothing to base that on but gut. I went to bed about 12:30 and tossed and turned until after 2:30 trying to argue against that feeling. I had posted on a cap thread in reply to someone saying we had about $24 M IIRC before Brown's deal, we should be able to sign Schaub & Conner. Well one down, one of those two left.

Edit here post I refer to from Section516 :

Even with those pending free agents, Clayton’s salary-cap list for 2013 is filled with good news for the AFC South.


The Texans will have $24.8 million.
 
now its either yates or within the next 2 years we need to sign or Draft our QB of the future

most likey draft what are some good College QB'S in the next 2 years ???
 
Norg said:
now its either yates or within the next 2 years we need to sign or Draft our QB of the future

most likey draft what are some good College QB'S in the next 2 years ???
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I can see us trading up in 2013 or 2014 to get our future QB. I saw KJ being more in position in this game (although I missed first one and one half quarters.

I like Zac Dysert who has moved up in polls after his '12 performance.
 
Never mind found it.


Tim Jamison Defensive Lineman 9/9/2012: Signed a three-year contract. 2012: $615,000, 2013-2014: Under Contract, 2015: Free Agent
 
rmartin65 said:
Just a gut feeling, you know? Schaub is a good QB. Arguably top 10, and I am very happy that he is on the Texans. However, I dont know if we can win a Super Bowl with him. When the pocket breaks down, the Schaub has, historically, been and trouble. And it sounds like (I could not watch the game) he has gotten even worse in this regard. This is something that will never get better.

I am not advocating a running QB- I dont want a Vick or Young. I do want a guy, who when stuff goes down, can make plays with his feet, even if it is just buying time. Look at the last couple QBs to win a Super Bowl- Eli Manning (not a run threat, but moves well), Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees, Brady. Peyton is the only real exception here, and even that is questionable since his release was so quick.

Like I said, Schaub is a good QB. In particular, he has probably the best play action fake in the NFL. I just dont think he can get it done without pristine protection.
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Don't worry with only 24.75 mil. guaranteed I think it's highly doubtful Schaub is here all 4 of those years. All the guaranteed money will be paid out after only 2 yrs.. As long as Schaub stays healthy I like this contract, and the signing of Jamison. Excellent work by Rick Smith. That's 2 less needs in the 2013 draft.

I hope they can extend Barwin as well but he may not work out in the numbers crunch, and with Mercilus waiting to play Barwin may just be odd man out at the end of the season. I hope I'm wrong.
 
DocBar said:
I'm good with this. If Barwin doesn't look like he's gonna produce, save the $$ on an extension and lets see what Whiney can do. Barwin looked average, at best, today.
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I think the move sets us up to franchise Barwin if he doesn't sign before FA. The tag on an OLB isn't too bad from a team perspective. I'm sure Connor is going to have to factor that in when they start negotiating again.
 
However cap friendly structured the terms, Schaub still agreed to a contract that makes him among the highest paid QB's in NFL @ 15.5 mil avg. per/yr.

My question is how where the Texans able to fit this contract under the cap since reportedly they were 700k over prior to this signing, plus Jamison too? :pirate:
 
beerlover said:
However cap friendly structured the terms, Schaub still agreed to a contract that makes him among the highest paid QB's in NFL @ 15.5 mil avg. per/yr.

My question is how where the Texans able to fit this contract under the cap since reportedly they were 700k over prior to this signing, plus Jamison too? :pirate:
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It's the same thing as the Duane Brown re-signing, the contracts will take effect in the 2013 season and beyond, so no impact to this year unless they wanted it to. That's not to say they couldn't have modified his 2012 salary and restructured that in the process, but if anything that caphit would go down. Any signing bonuses can be paid now, but that will only effect the cap based on how they decided to structure the deal.
 
beerlover said:
My question is how where the Texans able to fit this contract under the cap since reportedly they were 700k over prior to this signing, plus Jamison too?
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I get the feeling there's more to this new cap structure than we as fans know about?
 
DocBar said:
I'm good with this. If Barwin doesn't look like he's gonna produce, save the $$ on an extension and lets see what Whiney can do. Barwin looked average, at best, today.
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He was also going against one of the top tackles in the league
 
Rey said:
I can't explain it, but schaubs throws actually look better.

His throws aren't as airy as they used to be. I dint feel like I'm watching the ball travel in slow motion to it's target.
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I mentioned that in the preseason. Matt has looked sharper since his return to me. I hope he can keep it up.
 
wolf123 said:
I think Barwin is gonna wish he took the Texans offer. He has looked very average after putting on weight...
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When did this happen. I can't believe I missed that the Texans even made an offer, let alone Barwin refusing it.
 
drs23 said:
I mentioned that in the preseason. Matt has looked sharper since his return to me. I hope he can keep it up.
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The Pencil Neck said:
That's what I'm saying.
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Agreed. If this was as straightforward and obvious as it appears, why would there be a requirement to notify the league of the intent to roll it over? Why not simply say any unused cap at the end of one league year will be rolled over automatically to the next league year?

I can't imagine a reason for not carrying it over, but what would be the purpose of requiring notification if teams should want to roll it over 100% of the time?
 
Playoffs said:
I get the feeling there's more to this new cap structure than we as fans know about?
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What makes you say that? There are always things going on behind the scenes that the fans are not privy to, such as this from yesterday:

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
To free up $4 mil in cap money, texans redid Johnathan Joseph and gave him money he owed now.

Jamison was already on the roster getting minimum money though, so his contract should have no impact on their cap aside from signing bonus (if there was any). I haven't seen anything about what years two and three are worth though, so maybe that's why he signed in hopes that he would make 2 million next year or maybe they guaranteed all of year two. I don't know, but I can't understand why anyone would sign a 3 year minimum deal.
 
Dutchrudder said:
It's the same thing as the Duane Brown re-signing, the contracts will take effect in the 2013 season and beyond, so no impact to this year unless they wanted it to. That's not to say they couldn't have modified his 2012 salary and restructured that in the process, but if anything that caphit would go down. Any signing bonuses can be paid now, but that will only effect the cap based on how they decided to structure the deal.
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I think Beerlover has a point, DR in that 2013 cap is to be about same as '12. With contracts escalating and huge amounts paid to Brown and Foster and Myers, where did or will the money for Matt come from? This makes me think my historical posts in other threads about cap numbers may have been correct. My numbers seem to compare with John Clayton's & Schaub's extension makes sense under Clayton's scenario. Joseph's re-structuring freed up $4m reportedly so I guess that could allow next season's hit on Matt. 2012 cap supposedly about $8m +$4m from JJ.

Or maybe that $4m will be for Barwin and Clayton's numbers of about $15m left for 2013 after D. Brown signed went to Schaub?
 
Until the details come out and we can see the actual cap hit.. But right now it sound about 10 mil more than I expected.
 
badboy said:
I think Beerlover has a point, DR in that 2013 cap is to be about same as '12. With contracts escalating and huge amounts paid to Brown and Foster and Myers, where did or will the money for Matt come from? This makes me think my historical posts in other threads about cap numbers may have been correct. My numbers seem to compare with John Clayton's & Schaub's extension makes sense under Clayton's scenario. Joseph's re-structuring freed up $4m reportedly so I guess that could allow next season's hit on Matt. 2012 cap supposedly about $8m +$4m from JJ.

Or maybe that $4m will be for Barwin and Clayton's numbers of about $15m left for 2013 after D. Brown signed went to Schaub?
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He said "where is the money coming from if we were just over the cap recently?" I responded that it won't make a difference in the 2012 cap unless they want it to. The Texans are in control of their contracts, they know the cap and I'm sure they are taking into account the fact that they have bills to pay. He didn't mention the NFL cap changing, or anything like that. There's plenty that can be done when it comes to new contracts, all that matters is how you allocate the money.

The money for Schaub and Brown is coming from Demeco, Winston, Jacoby, Leinart, etc's dead money. It's also coming from guys that have expiring contracts like Butler and Cody, and what was previously expiring in Schaub at nearly 10 million this year. I think Clayton was right with his 24 million dollar prediction, but I think we have used it all up now with Schaub and Brown re-signing. I imagine that the Jamison signing was to bolster the DE corps due to the impending loss of Antonio Smith as a cap casualty, unless they can work out an extension and restructure. There's still plenty that can be done about the 2013 cap, so I think we are just fine now.

As far as the 2013 cap goes, if they freed up 4 million through Jjo, then that money gets spread evenly over the remaining three years of his deal. That means you need to take 1.33 million out of next year's cap, but the remainder from this year can be rolled over. No harm there as JJos isn't getting cut any time soon.

I'm guessing that Schaub got a signing bonus of about 10 million that is being prorated over this year and the four of the extension, so they needed that cushion to make room for it in 2012. They probably wanted some more space in case someone gets injured later in the season and they need to sign more guys.
 
Bleed_Blu_Red said:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/09/anatomy-of-schaubs-contract-extension/

Rick Smith says it all. So worst case scenario we franchise tag Barwin and move on to other players we have to resign. As of now we are 3.5mil under the cap
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Interesting quote from that article:

Joseph’s base salary this season was supposed to be $7.25 million. The Texans converted a portion of his base salary into signing bonus, which Joseph will receive right away. That move freed up $3.75 million that helped them sign Schaub, whose extension starts in 2013 and expires after the 2016 season when he’ll be 35.
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So........ it sounds to me like they turned 5 million of his base salary this year into a signing bonus which is paid out now. 1.25 million of it hits the cap each year for four years. Good to know.
 
Ya the franchise Tag seems a little steep for Barwin,but gota do what you gota do. after Mario got hurt I think the Texans are looking at it as can't have to many pass rushers especially versatile ones.
 
adbrandt Andrew Brandt
Now. RT @GregR_FBG Does Schaub's prorated $17.5m signing bonus hit the cap in 2012, or not until 2013?
 
Dutchrudder said:
That's salary only and doesn't include roster, signing and workout bonuses. It also doesn't give a good indication of the average caphit per year, which is really what matters.
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Right in the end this is all that matters to me. In the end this looks like it could be a cap friendly deal especially if they are considering drafting his replacement or continue to develop Yates or Keenum by the time the backend of this deal hits.

drs23 said:
When did this happen. I can't believe I missed that the Texans even made an offer, let alone Barwin refusing it.
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Right kind of curious too, but he's got to figure with a lot of teams moving towards or have moved towards 3-4 Defenses he's going to find a team that's going to be willing to pay him. I guess I have kind of figured the Texans have really done contracts this past year in terms of who is most important.

Foster got his deal first, undoubtedly the guy makes this offense run most rushing TDs in the league the past two years and IMO best all around RB in the league.

Myers was needed to solidify this line and got a fair deal.

Brown has grown into a top LT in the league.

I am pretty sure they wanted to extend Schaub but wanted to wait until the cap hit would take effect on next year's cap.

I am glad they added Jamison to the team on a value deal for a guy who might not be a double digit sack guy but, one who is usually active and great in rotation.
 
Per Rotoworld:

Signing Bonus: $17.5 Million (Guaranteed)
2012 Salary:$4.4 Million (Guaranteed)
2013 Salary: $7.25 Million (Guaranteed)
2014 Salary: $10 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2015 Salary: $12.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2016 Salary: $14.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2017: Free Agent

Total Contract Amount $66.15 Million
Total Guaranteed Amount $29.15 Million
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Per Rotoworld:

Signing Bonus: $17.5 Million (Guaranteed)
2012 Salary:$4.4 Million (Guaranteed)
2013 Salary: $7.25 Million (Guaranteed)
2014 Salary: $10 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2015 Salary: $12.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2016 Salary: $14.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2017: Free Agent

Total Contract Amount $66.15 Million
Total Guaranteed Amount $29.15 Million
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
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So did they alter his salary for this year, because he was set to make something like 7.2 million? Going down to 4.4 this year is a significant savings, but it's offset by the new signing bonus.

This is a hefty contract, and I think it ensures Schaub will be the QB through 2014. After that though, there's no telling.
 
Dutchrudder said:
So did they alter his salary for this year, because he was set to make something like 7.2 million? Going down to 4.4 this year is a significant savings, but it's offset by the new signing bonus.

This is a hefty contract, and I think it ensures Schaub will be the QB through 2014. After that though, there's no telling.
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Yeah, not counting the roster bonuses in the final three years, it's a 5-year $66.15 million with $59 Million being new money, and $7.15 being previously committed money.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Per Rotoworld:

Signing Bonus: $17.5 Million (Guaranteed)
2012 Salary:$4.4 Million (Guaranteed)
2013 Salary: $7.25 Million (Guaranteed)
2014 Salary: $10 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2015 Salary: $12.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2016 Salary: $14.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2017: Free Agent

Total Contract Amount $66.15 Million
Total Guaranteed Amount $29.15 Million
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
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Thanks for posting. A very good contract. CT since my head is spinning from an inner ear infection, could you tally what it will cost IF Matt is cut after 2013 or 14? I know the bonus pro-rated would be forced into the "cut year" but I'm thinking about $7m if cut after 2014. If true this is an amazing contract for a QB fitting our O scheme so well.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
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So we're paying him $10+M/yr. Is that elite QB money still?

Looking at that & figuring $4.3M/yr prorated bonus money, we'll take a $12.9M hit after 2013 if we decide his time is done, or take a $14M hit to keep him as a "veteran back-up"
 
Fiddler said:
So we're paying him $10+M/yr. Is that elite QB money still?

Looking at that & figuring $4.3M/yr prorated bonus money, we'll take a $12.9M hit after 2013 if we decide his time is done, or take a $14M hit to keep him as a "veteran back-up"
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Not my read as after '14 salary not guaranteed only the bonus which would be pushed into the year cut as I said earlier post if I'm correct.
 
badboy said:
Not my read as after '14 salary not guaranteed only the bonus which would be pushed into the year cut as I said earlier post if I'm correct.
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That's what I'm saying. We won't pay his salary, but we'll take a hit for three years of remaining prorated bonus... $4.3 (2014) + $4.3 (2015) + $4.3 (2016) = $12.9M

If he plays, his salary plus $4.3 = $14.something Million
 
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