Martin v. Incognito: [update] Wells Report released

[HJam72]

I have a loosely based theory that it is most often BAD people who DEVELOP serious mental problems. Drugs and alcohol, steroids included, speed up the process.

I am very well aware that people with mental problems try to self medicate with alcohol and street drugs, but I do believe it works both ways.

PS-age is a factor and I don't mean to pick on elderly people who slowly developed problems. That can happen to anyone. You can, of course, get knocked in the head in some accident.

 

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Filed to ESPN: San Francisco is trading a conditional draft pick to Miami for OT Jonathan Martin

 

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Richie Incognito ‏@68INCOGNITO

Its great to be HOME in Arizona!!!!!!!

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Looking forward to getting back to work ASAP

I missed you guys. Thanks goes out to my family and friends for the tremendous amount of support.

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They let him out of his pen.

 

[IDEXAN]

Martin traced the onset of what he considered to be verbal harassment to around the first game of the 2012 season, when, according to Martin, John Jerry began to call him a "*****" repeatedly, in what Martin said was a disrespectful and demeaning tone. Martin reported that at one point, Jerry dared him to "say something back," and soon after he did not, the insults escalated, with Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey routinely calling him a "*****" as well as a "******," a "****" and a "*****."

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/21/5534446/john-jerry-wells-report-new-york-giants-jonathan-martin
******
So according to Martin himself, the initial harassment came not from Incognito but John Jerry, another black man.
So once again, when you get the likes of English Lit major like Tony Kornheiser or Santa Barbara, CA native Jim Rome making judgments about things like the culture of the NFL, something they know absolutely nothing about, we end up with the mess we now have which is entirely unnecessary.

 

[infantrycak]

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/21/5534446/john-jerry-wells-report-new-york-giants-jonathan-martin
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So according to Martin himself, the initial harassment came not from Incognito but John Jerry, another black man.
So once again, when you get the likes of English Lit major like Tony Kornheiser or Santa Barbara, CA native Jim Rome making judgments about things like the culture of the NFL, something they know absolutely nothing about, we end up with the mess we now have which is entirely unnecessary.

So Kornheiser is defined by his undergraduate degree and has learned nothing in 30 years of covering sports? That's not even a limb your standing on. Put the saw down and try to catch something to stop your fall.

 

[IDEXAN]

So Kornheiser is defined by his undergraduate degree and has learned nothing in 30 years of covering sports? That's not even a limb your standing on. Put the saw down and try to catch something to stop your fall.

Not nearly enough to knowledgeably critique the mores and values of the contemporary NFL locker room culture. Unlike the world of great literary artists like Shakespeare, Dickens, & DH Lawrence, Kornheiser knows little of the mentality of NFL football players. One would think he'd learned more from PTI partner Wilbon after all of those years together.

 

[Double Barrel]

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/21/5534446/john-jerry-wells-report-new-york-giants-jonathan-martin
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So according to Martin himself, the initial harassment came not from Incognito but John Jerry, another black man.
So once again, when you get the likes of English Lit major like Tony Kornheiser or Santa Barbara, CA native Jim Rome making judgments about things like the culture of the NFL, something they know absolutely nothing about, we end up with the mess we now have which is entirely unnecessary.

What about 32 NFL team owners and a commissioner that has worked in the league's front office for over three decades? Do they know anything about the culture of the NFL?

The NFL is a global corporate brand now. This is not the obscure league of the 1950's anymore. This is big business, and no amount of hand-wringing in defense of inexcusable behavior is going to keep it in place.

 

[IDEXAN]

What about 32 NFL team owners and a commissioner that has worked in the league's front office for over three decades? Do they know anything about the culture of the NFL?
The NFL is a global corporate brand now. This is not the obscure league of the 1950's anymore. This is big business, and no amount of hand-wringing in defense of inexcusable behavior is going to keep it in place.

Yes they absolutely know the culture of their league, including most of the dirty little secrets like this incident. But then this little deal went public, and the PC police in the national media got a hold of it and totally misinterpreted and overreacted to it, and it blew up in every bodies face, and then the league had to pretend it was a big deal and so they went thru this whole charade.
But it's really no big deal.

 

[steelbtexan]

Martin has done a disservice to players that have other choices than playing NFL football.

 

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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo

Incognito has gotten interest from multiple teams, despite baggage. Speaks to the lack of talent at the guard position across the league.

Bucs bringing in Richie Incognito for a visit today, per our @JayGlazer

Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington

Keep in mind as Richie Incognito visits Bucs: He is not yet fully reinstated to play regular season. That’s been month-long sticking point.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Reinstatement at this point as I understand it is only a formality. He will be allowed to play in the regular season. Wonder what effect 1 year off the field will have on his play..........fresher and smarter, or out of kilt and dumber.

 

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Wonder what effect 1 year off the field will have on his play..........fresher and smarter, or out of kilt and dumber.

Back on his meds & stabilized.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Bart Hubbuch ✔ @HubbuchNYP
Richie Incognito to the Patriots now sounds about right.

 

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...
"I'm angry I'm sitting on the couch, not working when I should," Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner said this week during an hour-long conversation.
...
What New York attorney Peter Ginsberg found was Turner's answer to Wells. The 25-page report, which disputes many of the notions advanced in the Wells report, attempts to clear Turner's name.
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"Coach Turner is a good man and a great coach with an excellent reputation among his players," the report states in its conclusion. "It would be wrong for that reputation to be unfairly tarnished by the events leading up to and following Martin's departure from the Dolphins. During those difficult times Coach Turner was, as he has been throughout his career, a caring and supportive colleague to the people with whom he worked.

"Coach Turner, perhaps more than any other person, gave support and advice to Martin at a time when Martin seems to have been plagued by an internal turmoil which in large part remains a mystery. The Wells Report is off-target in the aim it takes at Coach Turner, and a good and decent person should not be tarnished as a result."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11508403/ex-miami-dolphins-coach-jim-turner-rebuts-wells-report

 

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Tim Graham @ByTimGraham

League source tells me Richie Incognito physical/meeting a formality, that he's going to be a Bill. Was a high priority target for Rex Ryan.

Rex said he was going to "build a bully"... and signed one.

 

[Lucky]

Rex said he was going to "build a bully"... and signed one.

Don't stop there, Rex. Other "high priority targets" for the Buffalo Bullies should include Biff in Back to the Future, Bluto from Popeye, and the blond kid from Cobra Kai in The Karate Kid.

 

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You move to Los Angeles at 10 & attend JTD, then Harvard Westlake, both environments that are completely new to you. You're one of just a handful of minorities in elite private schools. You learn to tone down your size & blackness by becoming shy, introverted, friendly, so you won't scare the little rich white kids or their parents. Neither black nor white people accept you because they don't understand you. It takes away your self-confidence, your self-worth, your sanity.

You've been told you're not "black enough" your entire life. It nearly destroys you, many times, not fitting in. Your talent & accomplishments on the field never seem to be able to overcome the demons that you carry with you from your middle school and high school experience. You're always inadequate, always the "pussy," the "weird kid who acts white."

You overcompensate, create a persona separate from who you really are, use it as motivation to gain respect from playing a game. Make a fool of yourself at times. Anything in the quest to one day to feel "cool." You see football as the only thing that you are good at, your only avenue to make the shy, depressed, weird kid from high school "cool." To the outside world, many assume you to be somewhat egotistical, womanizing, over-the-top; a typical football player.

Years later, your time in the NFL is a wake up call. In all likelihood, anyone else in your shitty locker room situation probably wouldn't take everything so personally, would've been able to brush it off and say "fuck it, you're making millions. You're starting as a rookie. You're living your dream." But you're different. Have always been different. Have always been more sensitive.

You thought your same work ethic that had made you a two-time All-American, a 2nd Rd NFL draft pick, would earn you respect. After all, you have achieved what only a select few other first-year players achieved: starting all 16 games, barely missing a snap.

You are very wrong. You realize years later, reflecting on your experiences, that sometimes you need to take what you want, what you earned, from people who refuse to give it to you. You need to demand respect, and be willing to fight for it every day. The whitewashed, hermetically-sealed bubble you grew up in and were educated in did not provide any of those lessons.

You were raised in a good household. You know that you are a flawed person. Have done stupid, regrettable things. But you know right from wrong. And consider integrity to be incredibly important. The worst thing of all, in your mind, is being called a liar.

Your job leads you to attempt to kill yourself on multiple occasions. Your self-perceived social inadequacy dominates your every waking moment & thought. You're petrified of going to work. You either sleep 12, 14, 16, hours a day when you can, or not at all. You drink too much, smoke weed constantly, have trouble focusing on doing your job, playing the sport that you grew up obsessed with.

But one day, you realize how absurd your current mindset is, that this **** doesn't matter. People don't matter. Money doesn't matter. Fame and notoriety sure as hell don't matter. Nothing matters besides your family, a few close friends, and your own personal happiness.

You play another year and a half and get badly injured. You want to keep playing, but having broken free of the addiction that football had been, you know inside that risking permanent debilitating injury isn't worth it. So you retire.

You realize that your experiences have taught you that you need to leave the baggage behind. "Friends" who you played high school football with saying whatever to get their name in an article. Former coaches blowing up your phone trying to be your financial advisor. Your god father suddenly appearing your senior year of college out of thin air bearing gifts, trying to get tickets to your games & slyly asking your parents to manage your money.

You realize who truly has had your back. Who the people are who you need to embrace. And cherish every moment you have had with them. You let your demons go, knowing that, perhaps, sharing your story can help some other chubby, goofy, socially-isolated, sensitive kid getting bullied in America who feels like no one in the world cares about them.

And let them know that they aren't alone.

If you don't know... Now you know pic.twitter.com/hE3vimkXdu

— Jonathan A. Martin (@J_Martin71) August 26, 2015​

 

[Double Barrel]

Wow, that's pretty powerful. Thanks for posting it, man. Great closure to this story.