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Mario's 1st Performance

diehard1192 said:
Ok, well what would you consider to be a successful season?

10 sacks?
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If the team has a net plus 10 more sacks than last year he was a major success due to his acquistion. Our zone blocking scheme deems high priced backs as foolish, best to spend our money that will make the team better, not to make its image more appealing.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
If the team has a net plus 10 more sacks than last year he was a major success due to his acquistion. Our zone blocking scheme deems high priced backs as foolish, best to spend our money that will make the team better, not to make its image more appealing.
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Are you saying with your blocking schemes, it doesn't matter if you have Lundy or Bush?
 
You know, its great to rehash preseason football and say this and that about players. But the first stringers only play a limited number of times, so comparing and grading these players is fun, but not really accurate. Since they dont play the whole game, preseason is close to being meaningless in getting to the SB. Its just for the coaches and players to more looks and get better practice for regular season.

Preseason is like Cinco de Mayo. Just another reason to drink. Lets wait for Philly before we call a player a bust.
 
diehard1192 said:
Are you saying with your blocking schemes, it doesn't matter if you have Lundy or Bush?
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What I am saying is that we took a balanced portfolio play this past draft. Bush will be a great player, but in our scheme RB does not warrant the price tag that a top back commands. The sum is greater than the parts. Our running game will be fine and so will our future.
 
Probably not, but you are makin it out to be that way. Just because in eleven plays he doesnt get a sack when the guy is only 22 or something and is getting double teamed by grown men that have been playing the sport for years. Hes been out of college only a couple of months.
 
diehard1192 said:
Are you saying with your blocking schemes, it doesn't matter if you have Lundy or Bush?
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Yes.

Happy?


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diehard1192 said:
Why not just tell me how you grade Mario's performance?
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Troll boy, people have told you. Somewhere between a "C" and a "B". Now go play on your aints board. Good by. Please live by your word and go as this isn't the thread you said you wouldpost in.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Hell no. If Mario had no sacks that would be a wasted season. Comparing him to LT is totally off. D-linemen's job is to get to the QB to create pressure and be the first line of defense against the run. LB's aren't sackmasters, they have so many other duties that if they don't get any sacks you have other categories which to base your judgement on. However if your job is to get to the QB and your taken first in the draft, but you don't get to the QB at least once, then you've totally failed at your job.
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What if mario was successful at getting about 2-3 pass disrupts a game and no sacks?? I say he is still doing his job and that would be successful to me IMO. HAVOC is what coach kube called it.
 
TexansBull said:
Probably not, but you are makin it out to be that way. Just because in eleven plays he doesnt get a sack when the guy is only 22 or something and is getting double teamed by grown men that have been playing the sport for years. Hes been out of college only a couple of months.
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He was going agaisnt Kyle Turley who has not played in the NFL for over 2 years.
 
F, no impact in the game at all.He had an a assist on a tackle, don't see how you can give him any grade higher than an F.
 
diehard1192 said:
Thank you. I agree.
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Hatin' ain't easy. It's hard work.

We all agree that Mario stinks on this board and Reggie Bush is the greatest thing since the 2005 Trojans. Best of luck on your future in hatin', it is an up and coming industry.
 
Speedy said:
The guy played ELEVEN plays and was part of a defense that gave up only 33 yards of offense in the quarter in a freaking pre-season game!
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Did anyone read this post?

The man has only played 11 plays so far. Yet we have two threads several pages long discussing it, and both started by a Saints fan.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Hatin' ain't easy. It's hard work.

We all agree that Mario stinks on this board and Reggie Bush is the greatest thing since the 2005 Trojans. Best of luck on your future in hatin', it is an up and coming industry.
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I'm not hatin'. I thought your boy would man handle Turley. When I saw Sortscenter highlighting Mario getting handled by Turley over and over, I was surprised.

I'm not hatin'. I hope Mario gets better. I really do.
 
Why are you here diehard? If you're so happy with Bush you should be discussing that at www.saintsreport.com. If you're just here to gloat that the Texans should have drafted Bush, then you are out of luck because I think it is safe to say that the people that made that decision don't post here.

We are just fans that root for our team and the players we are dealt as fans. I personally don't see the point of gloating against Mario Williams as a Saints fan. Why do you care what he does? Again, if you're excited about Bush tell those that give a flying "f". Again, those fans can be found at www.saintsreport.com
 
Hookem Horns said:
Why are you here diehard? If you're so happy with Bush you should be discussing that at www.saintsreport.com. If you're just here to gloat that the Texans should have drafted Bush, then you are out of luck because I think it is safe to say that the people that made that decision don't post here.

We are just fans that root for our team and the players we are dealt as fans. I personally don't see the point of gloating against Mario Williams as a Saints fan. Why do you care what he does? Again, if you're excited about Bush tell those that give a flying "f". Again, those fans can be found at www.saintsreport.com
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Don't worry, I'm going back there. Good luck, I'll check back with yall after the season starts. Maybe Mario won't be as tired and nervous during his next game. I know Bush won't be.
 
diehard1192 said:
I'm not hatin'. I thought your boy would man handle Turley. When I saw Sortscenter highlighting Mario getting handled by Turley over and over, I was surprised.

I'm not hatin'. I hope Mario gets better. I really do.
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Then you would most likely agree with the notion that he will improve. But then again maybe not. Regardless in your 40+ posst you have stated no thought out opinion and have added no value to this board.

Either stop hatin' or prove to us all that you are not totally wasting your time by thinking that you are waxing poetic when you put fingers to plastic and start broadcasting your message via 1'a and 0's.
 
diehard1192 said:
He was going agaisnt Kyle Turley who has not played in the NFL for over 2 years.
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Your right. But you are trying to measure his impact, which is first hard to do in his position, and then measure it in a preseason game. Would we want him to get a sack? Yea, that would keep this thread from starting. But in the end we had 5 sacks, and a W that was a long time coming. Did he contribute to the 5 sacks? Possibly. So is a total "f" fair? Nope. Atleast give him a D- and get the man love with reggie over with.
 
Id give him a C+ he couldnt do much being doubled team and like gwallia said he only did 11 plays! Why dont you just leave if your so happy about the saints pick and just post there.
 
I did not want to enter this thread, because if someone wants to label a player a bust, words are a waste, but...

What is up with this Kyle Turley crap. Turley did not deal with Williams one on one!!!!!

Yes he did not produce enough, but considering the number of plays I grade him a B. DL are like boxers, the major blows happen later in the game.

Pentration against double teams deserve a B
 
diehard1192 said:
Don't worry, I'm going back there. Good luck, I'll check back with yall after the season starts. Maybe Mario won't be as tired and nervous during his next game. I know Bush won't be.
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take care livesoft1192 HAVE A NICE DAY:)
 
TexansBull said:
Your right. But you are trying to measure his impact, which is first hard to do in his position, and then measure it in a preseason game. Would we want him to get a sack? Yea, that would keep this thread from starting. But in the end we had 5 sacks, and a W that was a long time coming. Did he contribute to the 5 sacks? Possibly. So is a total "f" fair? Nope. Atleast give him a D- and get the man love with reggie over with.
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Ok, you're right, a D - :yahoo:
 
cj5776 said:
I did not want to enter this thread, because if someone wants to label a player a bust, words are a waste, but...

What is up with this Kyle Turley crap. Turley did not deal with Williams one on one!!!!!

Yes he did not produce enough, but considering the number of plays I grade him a B. DL are like boxers, the major blows happen later in the game.

Pentration against double teams deserve a B
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Not true, Turley took on Mario a few times 1-1. Go back and watch the film. But I warn you, it might upset you.
 
diehard1192 said:
Are you saying with your blocking schemes, it doesn't matter if you have Lundy or Bush?
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Go back to the 1995 NFL draft. The Bengals had the 1st pick and went with a running back. They took a player coming out of college that had all the skills needed to become one of the greats. He came from a top school that nearly won a National Championship in his last season. He finished 2nd in the Heisman voting that year.

In the 6th round, the Broncos took a running back that wasn't on many team's lists. He didn't have the college career of the guy the Bengals drafted and wasn't expected to have a great career unlike the other player.

The Bengals took Ki-Jana Carter.
The Broncos took Terrell Davis.

I am not suggesting Bush will end up like Carter, nor do I wish that.
I am not suggesting Lundy will have success like Davis had.

Still, it's a little too early to tell on either of them. Lundy looks like he might be the type of runner this system needs. Bush looks to be the exciting player the Saints need.

Why do people, fans and talking heads alike, want to make this an all or none draft? I think it's possible that both teams will do fine with their draft choices. Look at the NBA 3 years ago. Should Cleveland be ridiculed for not drafting Dwayne Wade and drafting that LeBron James guy?
 
cj5776 said:
I did not want to enter this thread, because if someone wants to label a player a bust, words are a waste, but...

What is up with this Kyle Turley crap. Turley did not deal with Williams one on one!!!!!

Yes he did not produce enough, but considering the number of plays I grade him a B. DL are like boxers, the major blows happen later in the game.



Pentration against double teams deserve a B
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He didnt understand double means two people. I was trying to say that, but couldnt get it out. I was choking on all this bull being forced down my throat.
 
diehard1192 said:
He was going agaisnt Kyle Turley who has not played in the NFL for over 2 years.
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Turley hasn't played in the league in 2 years. However, he is a former Pro Bowl tackle. I don't think his knowledge will have diminished. An experienced veteran tackle can take advantage of a rookie that is raring to go. I think Turley's time off would have hurt his strength and stamina and had those 2 battled all game I have no doubt Mario would have tired him out.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Turley hasn't played in the league in 2 years. However, he is a former Pro Bowl tackle. I don't think his knowledge will have diminished. An experienced veteran tackle can take advantage of a rookie that is raring to go. I think Turley's time off would have hurt his strength and stamina and had those 2 battled all game I have no doubt Mario would have tired him out.
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You realize the man has been surfing for two years?
 
i dont think you can grade mario's performance in suc limited time it wasnt pretty when he got owned by turley but he still is a rookie.

all start judging by week 7 if he still doesnt have about 4 sacks i might be worried but i wont go in to grading someone with such a birtgh future in such limited playing time.
 
Ok, ok...it's been fun. I'll check back with you guys after the regular season starts. We'll chat and see how everyone is doing.

Good luck!!!!
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
i dont think you can grade mario's performance in suc limited time it wasnt pretty when he got owned by turley but he still is a rookie.
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I'm just glad someone admitted he got OWNED by Turley.

Sweet :ok:
 
diehard1192 said:
Ok, you're right, a D - :yahoo:
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Good. Maybe now you can get your man love over with and go back to the saints boards and talk about how reggie might fold under pressure. Remember your boy against UT and Young. After he goofed he never was a factor like he was supposed to be. Once again...hype. Reggie is the next Darko...:yahoo:
 
diehard1192 said:
Turley man-handled your boy 1-1...plain and simple.
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We get it. Can you explain to me how Reggie's team was losing while he was on the field and why he could only muster 15 yards on 5 carries against one the league's worst rushing defenses last year after you take out a 44 yarder on a busted play during the exhibition season?
 
TexansBull said:
Good. Maybe now you can get your man love over with and go back to the saints boards and talk about how reggie might fold under pressure. Remember your boy against UT and Young. After he goofed he never was a factor like he was supposed to be. Once again...hype. Reggie is the next Darko...:yahoo:
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Let's see how Mario plays against someone who has actually played in the NFL in the last 2 years.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
We get it. Can you explain to me how Reggie's team was losing while he was on the field and why he could only muster 15 yards on 5 carries against one the league's worst rushing defenses last year after you take out a 44 yarder on a busted play during the exhibition season?
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Absolutely.....our O-line is garbage. Absolute garbage. We are a piece-meal unit who will barely get through the season. Bush got we got all on his OWN. I wish we could actually open some holes for him, but I'm afraid we can't.

We seriously need O-line and D-line help. Until we get that, I don't expect us to do anything very good.
 
What is the point of this thread....really. You got plenty of grades.

I swear I thought Jag fans were bad, but the Aints take the cake. They have to be the worst fans in the NFL. I mean the way they go out of their way to register on another MB just because their boo had a 44 yard run and Mario didn't register a sack. (Again Peppers only had 2 sacks throughout his first preseason and they didn't come until the last 2 games)

They won't comment on how their boo didn't score a td or how every other run he only had a 3ypc avg and was constantly stuffed inside. I guess I can kind of see where they're coming from though. I mean if your entire history is just filled with crap and you finally get a player that the media cares about and has passed Mike Vick as the most hyped player in the NFL, I can see where they would want to troll around the league and shout from the roof tops over one preseason game like you just won something.

Only a Aints fan would wet himself in the Preseason and one play, but then again the only time anybody says anything positive about the Aints is in the preseason, after the season starts the media attention disapears and all the buzz goes silent.
 
diehard1192 said:
Let's see how Mario plays against someone who has actually played in the NFL in the last 2 years.
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I guess since your in a hurry to go your not going to comment on how reggie folded on his biggest game in his college career. Its ok. Go and come back with relevance. :deadhorse

Maybe you should talk about how reggie might get his Heisman taken away. Or is that being swept under the rug?
 
Carr Bomb said:
What is the point of this thread....really. You got plenty of grades.

I swear I thought Jag fans were bad, but the Aints take the cake. They have to be the worst fans in the NFL. I mean the way they go out of their way to register on another MB just because their boo had a 44 yard run and Mario didn't register a sack. (Again Peppers only had 2 sacks throughout his first preseason and they didn't come until the last 2 games)

They won't comment on how their boo didn't score a td or how every other run he only had a 3ypc avg and was constantly stuffed inside. I guess I can kind of see where they're coming from though. I mean if your entire history is just filled with crap and you finally get a player that the media cares about and has passed Mike Vick as the most hyped player in the NFL, I can see where they would want to troll around the league and shout from the roof tops over one preseason game like you just won something.

Only a Aints fan would wet himself in the Preseason and one play, but then again the only time anybody says anything positive about the Aints is in the preseason, after the season starts the media attention disapears and all the buzz goes silent.
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No that's not it at all. I was surprised to see how Mario got schooled by Turley, and I just wanted to see what yall thought about it. Plus I didn't understand why yall took Mario....that's why I came here. And I believe I have found out.
 
TexansBull said:
Good. Maybe now you can get your man love over with and go back to the saints boards and talk about how reggie might fold under pressure. Remember your boy against UT and Young. After he goofed he never was a factor like he was supposed to be. Once again...hype. Reggie is the next Darko...:yahoo:
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hey hey hey that hurts!!! careful with that darko comment pistons fan here>>>>:redtowel:
 
TexansBull said:
I guess since your in a hurry to go your not going to comment on how reggie folded on his biggest game in his college career. Its ok. Go and come back with relevance. :deadhorse

Maybe you should talk about how reggie might get his Heisman taken away. Or is that being swept under the rug?
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I don't think it's getting swept under the rug, I just don't think it is very relavant. I think it is more of the fact that someone is trying to take advantage of the Bush family.

Either way, I don't think that is very relavant here. Or is it?
 
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