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Mario Williams will bounce back.
- Thread starter Blake
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NRowl said:
nothing. He hasn't shown that he is spectacular...It's more of a wait and see kind of thing...
Blake
MMQB
NRowl said:
I think when you take potential away from players, you really strip them. What has Vince done as a pure passer to make you think he will be anything other than an average QB? Apples to Oranges right?
I think Mario will get better with knowledge. Like a boxer, just because you are bigger and stronger, doesnt mean you will win if you dont know how to use your feet, block, and attack smart. But when you take a technically sound LT, and put him up against a Mario Williams that is technically sound, Mario is going to win IMO.
Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
Waterboy
chuckm said:
please lets not and say we did. lol j/k Way to much negative to talk about I'd like to get some sleep tonight.
well where i come from when a player gets 120 total yards in a game, id call it being pretty effective for his team..in his first game also..you think the guy is going to get worse or better? Did you see him lined up all over the field, his versatility is unbelievable. I can totally understand people not willing to say MW was the wrong pick so early, but dont downplay what Bush did and will continue to do............... and what he could of done in houston. 
hot pickle
Canada Eh
i dont really watch the d-line, but when i watch mario yesterday, he did seem slow, and when he did his spin moves he looked very slow and easy to handle. is it just something a rookie DE has to learn. cause you look at dwight freeny and he has all kinds a moves and he does it real fast
so my question is does a rookie DE just have to learn and adapt to the NFL, and how long does it take for them to learn it
so my question is does a rookie DE just have to learn and adapt to the NFL, and how long does it take for them to learn it
noxiousdog
Rookie
xtruroyaltyx said:
Of course. 1st game he sat. 2nd game he threw two picks and the offense managed 13 points. He also had a super bowl caliber team around him.
Brett threw 5 passes as a rooke with no completions. His first year in Green Bay was pretty good, but his second was awful (6.3 ypa, 19 TD, 24 INT)
What's that? That rookies playing their first game are rarely dominant?
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Mario is not a bust. What he is is someone who didnt show a lot of fire and desire in his first NFL game as #1 overall pick. That is the only problem I had. He seemed to be standing upright at the end of plays and didnt seem to want to get into the action. he just lacked that fire that is necessary to be a quality NFL defensive lineman. The fact that he didnt bring much fire into his first game makes me wonder what it will take to light a fire under him or is it even possible...did I say fire enough?
It's the same problem he had at NC State..and that problem was disappearing especially against top competition...well every OL he will face is going to be top competition in the NFL...it worries me, is all. He gets 2 years to show he is not a bust but the early feeling I have is that we may have blown it by picking him...*raises glass* Here is to hoping Mario shows us more the rest of the year and the rest of his career...
GO MARIO
doug from the woodlands
It's the same problem he had at NC State..and that problem was disappearing especially against top competition...well every OL he will face is going to be top competition in the NFL...it worries me, is all. He gets 2 years to show he is not a bust but the early feeling I have is that we may have blown it by picking him...*raises glass* Here is to hoping Mario shows us more the rest of the year and the rest of his career...
GO MARIO
doug from the woodlands
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
xtruroyaltyx said:So Mario should be judged the same as the last pick of the draft ?
No. I don't expect the last pick of the draft to find his way onto the field for a few years. I don't expect most first rounders to find their way onto the field until midway through the season. Bush didn't even expect to play on Sunday and was surprised that Stecker wasn't playing.
Picking in the draft is more than just picking the best player or even what you need, it's also about not picking something that you think you can get later in the draft for not as much money. Demeco should have been an early first rounder. The fact we got him at the beginning of the second was pure thievery. I think Kubiak thought he could get everything that Bush could offer from other, cheaper players.
Merriman got one tackle the second game of the season last year, 2 tackles the third game, and then the fourth game got a tackle, an assist, his first sack, and a forced fumble. If Mario turns out as good as Merriman, I'll be totally happy. Right now, he's ahead of Merriman. You're judging Mario too quickly and too harshly.
michaelm
vox nihili
Michael Strahan, in his 9th year, set the single season sack record with 22.5. (please, no one start up about how they never kept sack stats until the '80s)
The same year Strahan, a 9 year vet, set the sack record he had 8 tackles (7 solo) through two games, and not a single sack.
Does this prove anything... not really, but to me it is interesting...
No, I'm not comparing Mario with Strahan (yet). Just a little perspective.
The same year Strahan, a 9 year vet, set the sack record he had 8 tackles (7 solo) through two games, and not a single sack.
Does this prove anything... not really, but to me it is interesting...
No, I'm not comparing Mario with Strahan (yet). Just a little perspective.
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The Pencil Neck said:
I did not judge Mario...I said that his performance was poor...If you jump to conclusions and think I'm saying he is going to be a bust thats your fault...I never said he is going to be this or going to be that...I honestly don't have any clue what you are talking about...Maybe you should re-read my earlier post and re-evaluate your response because it doesn't pertain to anything I said...
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noxiousdog said:
Super Mario said:As the poster who shares his name, I think I need to step in and make a positive comment about our newest #1 draft pick.
While I hear the grumblings of Fan A, and Fan B, I also realize that this is week one of 16. I will be the first to agree with you that Mario was a non factor in yesterdays game. I will be the first to agree that he needs to step it up. But lets keep in mind that this is his first full 60 minute NFL game. Lets keep in mind that the learning curve for a DE is more dificult than a RB. Lets keep in mind that as long as he works his ass off to get better (which he is) he deserves a chance to redeem himself. A chance to show the fans why he was taken ahead of the big 2.
Give the guy a chance. Its week 1.
y'know, I wish I had the courage to say what I should've said yesterday. Instead of wanting to rewatch the game first.
Mario had a great game. Anyone thinking otherwise wasn't watching the game....... period. He did get doubled, he did get pressure on McNabb, and he did get 3 tackles.
Am I supposed to believe that the Eagles wasted their money on Darren Howard?? Spencer handled him all day long, & he got 2 tackles, no sacks. Am I supposed to believe Darren Howard had no impact on that game?? that's bull.
Jevon Kearse had 1 tackle, 1 sack...... is that the kind of impact we wanted?? Mario's three tackles shoule be about equivalent to 1 & 1 shouldn't it?? He had less tackles, but he made an impact.
Same thing for many of of last years ProBowlers are looking for their first sack, and didn't get as many tackles as Mario.
ON most plays, Donovan had to get rid of the ball within 2 seconds..... he did, and he did so very well........ doesn't mean that we didn't pressure McNabb. IT just means McNabb is a probowler.
Mario has some areas to work on, no doubt.But his first game was as good as many a ProBowl DE first game this season, and they weren't moved from tackle to DE, from the left, then to the right. IT's really amazing that Mario did as good as he did.
& we shouldn't be ashamed of what Mario did yesterday. We lost the game, but it wasn't because we had no pressure on the QB. We pressured a QB who knows how to handle pressure.
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thunderkyss said:
You are right..Mario played o.k.....He will start throwing his weight around once he gets comfortable....
Texian
Hall of Fame
dunta23 said:
Dwight Freeny had 0 tackles, 0 assist and 0 sacks agaisnt the Giants, he was man handled by Pettigout. What does mean?? Is he now a bust?
Mario just turned 21, he won't reach his full maturity for another 2 or 3 years. It will be another 4 years before he has a complete standing in manhood and voting priveledges for "Man Law".
dwilt72
Waterboy
NRowl said:
Thank you! Finally a voice of reason on this board! I've been saying this since draft day! I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised that Mario's performance has been so bad. That was how he played in college. In games against teams with poor O-Line's he stepped it up and got huge sack numbers, but put him against competition that was closer to his talent and he disappeared. This pick was solely based on his combine numbers.
Shakin my head at the Texans using the 1st overall pick on a base end. Any one else on the roster could do his job. He is not a impact player! Better against the run maybe but not a pass rushing terror. I cant believe some of you cant see this. He has shown absolutely nothing threw preseason & now the 1st game of the season. I've seen players taking later in the 1st round dominate in their 1st season. ie DeMarcus Ware & Shawn Merriman. But Williams is just a rookie right? Dude was a workout warrior just like Babin but it doesnt translate to the field.