Mario Williams Improvement

[real]

As soon as the refs start making these calls, we'll be much better off......

Mario is a monster, and I can't see how people are genuinely upset with his play.

Holding happens on both teams...But as Texan Fans we just notice it more when our player is being held

He is a monster...He needs to eventually live up to that...And I'm not completely disgusted with his play, but can you genuinely say you're satisfied with it ?

 

[Scott747]

Not sure why there continues to be such a quick evaluation on Mario, especially considering the two O-lines we just faced.

The improvement is there. Not as much as many would like because the stats are not there. But look at our team defense. Stats are few and far between.

 

[real]

I do hear what you are saying, but when I see Mario just pushing guys back onto their heels it says more about his tenacity than their style. I watched the game and then watched it twice via the Sunday Ticket's short cuts. All Texans fans should feel a little more encouraged about Mario this morning.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...I know Mario is strong and can push some guys around...And I know that It's easy to push a guy back when he is already backing up in pass protection...When Mario demolishes an OLineman that is trying to run block then I will be satisfied...Pushing an OL back on his heels who is already backing up to begin with is IMO, unimpressive...

 

[real]

Im not saying Mario will be a Bust...But...Generally speaking Mario hasn't played well...Some may say he's played well for a rookie in his second game but I don't agree with that...I think Mario lacked a lot of skills, and technique because of poor coaching in college and I think he got by on his athleticism...I think Mario has all the potential in the world and right now I put the pressure on our coaches to bring that out...

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...I know Mario is strong and can push some guys around...And I know that It's easy to push a guy back when he is already backing up in pass protection...When Mario demolishes an OLineman that is trying to run block then I will be satisfied...Pushing an OL back on his heels who is already backing up to begin with is IMO, unimpressive...

If you have the means, watch the game again without emotion (not saying you are emotional now, just that we are all were when watching the first time) and please let us know what you think.

 

[real]

If you have the means, watch the game again without emotion (not saying you are emotional now, just that we are all were when watching the first time) and please let us know what you think.

Can Do...and I freely admit that I haven't re-watched the game yet but I will tonight...My judgement may be a bit skewed but It's just my opinion that If you are the first overall pick on a defense full of scrubs you should stand out somewhat...But like I said I will re-watch the game, and give a more fair assessment tommorrow...

 

[Scott747]

There were a few prusuit plays from Mario that are downright scary for the opposing RB/QB's, once he shaves .2-.4 sec. off his jump on the snap. That is one part of his game that I've already seen improvement. I doubt anyone even takes a look at this aspect to much, but he has become ever so quicker on his jumps.

 

[thunderkyss]

Holding happens on both teams...But as Texan Fans we just notice it more when our player is being held

He is a monster...He needs to eventually live up to that...And I'm not completely disgusted with his play, but can you genuinely say you're satisfied with it ?

absolutely.......

physically, he's got what it takes, that isn't a question for me.. IMHO, he needs to mentally prepare for the game....... his only problems as far as I'm concerned, is when he gets in the backfield, he has to think about what he wants to do, and he's more concerned with the man in front of him, than the man in the backfield. His thinking should be, "I'm gonna git that sukka", and not, "I'm going to prove I'm stronger than this guy"

Should I be having these questions about our #1 overall??

maybe not. But I understand we got him because he is raw with huge potential........ that hasn't changed.

 

[dantem]

I didn't see him "disengage" anyone this game either...The times I saw him put pressure on Manning he was going around the edge...He never once engaged his man, shed the block and come off to make the play....Clean Shot? I saw him hit Manning once, and he was the second person to him...I don't care what the Giants did...that is irrelevant....

Well this is proof that you did not watch him play yesterday... for a minute I thought I was discussing Mario's progres with an informed person. Now I know you just like to argue. You would have more credibility if you watch him play before you comment on his progress.

 

[real]

Well this is proof that you did not watch him play yesterday... for a minute I thought I was discussing Mario's progres with an informed person. Now I know you just like to argue. You would have more credibility if you watch him play before you comment on his progress.

 

[real]

I wish we could all watch film together and break down his play because I find it odd how we see the same thing and gather different assumptions about it...

edit: honestly I think a lot of people are or have mistaken Mario for Kalu...you all do know the D-Line rotated every other series right?

 

[Speedy]

ehhh...I am not going to analyze the game that much...but...I just want to see a football player....I haven't seen that...I have seen someone who is big, strong and fast...I haven't see someone who comes off the ball low, engages his man, gets rid of man, makes attempt to make play...I have yet to see that sequence...And I honestly believe that Mario got more pressure because the colts are a passing team so he just pinned his ears back and rushed...But at the same time it cost us on some of those runs...when he rushed up the field and the RB just went inside of him...I don't want to break down all of his mistakes because thats not fair to a rookie...but he needs to show more, and I think that if you say you are 100% satisfied with his play then you are lying or don't expect enough...

Geez...no one is saying they're 100% satisfied with his play. They're saying he showed improvement from game one.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

I wish we could all watch film together and break down his play because I find it odd how we see the same thing and gather different assumptions about it...

edit: honestly I think a lot of people are or have mistaken Mario for Kalu...you all do know the D-Line rotated every other series right?

I watched it and I can tell you he did diengage from a lot of blocks. Of course they weren't amazing or clean, but he did disengage. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that I'm impressed with his play yet, but you have to admit there was improvement in his play. Like you said it was an improvement in how he played. I think next week will be the real measuring stick. He plays a less than elite offense and he's had a few weeks to adjust to the speed and work on some technique. If he doesn't put up numbers next week then I'll be really disappointed. As of now though I have to live with the fact that he showed some improvement.

 

[dantem]

I wish we could all watch film together and break down his play because I find it odd how we see the same thing and gather different assumptions about it...

I'm pretty sure you would see it through an anoying Reggie Bush filter.

This thread wasn't put out to try to prove something, it was to break down what the National stats don't show about a players progress.

I would do the same for RB's progress but he is not on my home team, I will not be rooting for him, We will not be playing him anytime soon, and at this point he has no relevence to the Texans progress.

As far as I am concerned, every player stands on his own merrit, and has nothing to do with how well another player plays. especially a player at a different position on a different team. The only thing they have in common is inexperience in the NFL and they both had some prety poor efforts in the first few games as well as some good efforts.

 

[real]

I'm pretty sure you would see it through an anoying Reggie Bush filter.

This thread wasn't put out to try to prove something, it was to break down what the National stats don't show about a players progress.

I would do the same for RB's progress but he is not on my home team, I will not be rooting for him, We will not be playing him anytime soon, and at this point he has no relevence to the Texans progress.

As far as I am concerned, every player stands on his own merrit, and has nothing to do with how well another player plays. especially a player at a different position on a different team. The only thing they have in common is inexperience in the NFL and they both had some prety poor efforts in the first few games as well as some good efforts.

Don't let the signature fool you...

 

[dantem]

I wish we could all watch film together and break down his play because I find it odd how we see the same thing and gather different assumptions about it...

edit: honestly I think a lot of people are or have mistaken Mario for Kalu...you all do know the D-Line rotated every other series right?

Kalu played well when he was in, but honestly, it was not hard to tell them apart, Mario was playing stronger against the same o-lineman. and he has a big 90 on his back.

If it were legal and I had the time I would post the clips of the plays I referenced they are actually pretty impressive for a second start in the NFL against a very tough offense.

 

[real]

Kalu played well when he was in, but honestly, it was not hard to tell them apart, Mario was playing stronger against the same o-lineman. and he has a big 90 on his back.

If it were legal and I had the time I would post the clips of the plays I referenced they are actually pretty impressive for a second start in the NFL against a very tough offense.

I'll be straight up...I honestly don't trust a lot of peoples break down of the games...I don't think some people understand things...thats as honest as I can be...Some may feel the same way about my analysis but oh well...we're all entitled to our own opinion...

For instance...In yesterdays game I saw Mario Rushing up field on almost every play(if not everyplay)...wheras against Philly I saw him standing on the line more, and after he recognized pass he would rush up field...I think it was strictly do to change of gameplan because of the different styles of offenses...period...

 

[Sco-tai]

EXCELLENT breakdown.

I also dug the post someone put about "unfair" to ask about Bush's sack total. Great way to point out they are "apples & oranges".



Thanks for the great post.

 

[dantem]

I'll be straight up...I honestly don't trust a lot of peoples break down of the games...I don't think some people understand things...

fair enough..

Here is a version of the breakdown that has nothing to do with interperatation or understanding the game.

1) Made 3 Tackles
Delete **Beat his man and pressured the QB 7 times
2) Had the QB in his Grasp 3 times when the ball was released
3) Forced the QB to slide once
4) forced the QB out of bounds once
5) Was off sides 1 time
6) Was standing around 1 time
Delete ***Was held 5 times with no call

Now for the interperatation... This is still an improvement from the first week.

 

[real]

fair enough..

Here is a version of the breakdown that has nothing to do with interperatation or understanding the game.

1) Made 3 Tackles
Delete **Beat his man and pressured the QB 7 times
2) Had the QB in his Grasp 3 times when the ball was released
3) Forced the QB to slide once
4) forced the QB out of bounds once
5) Was off sides 1 time
6) Was standing around 1 time
Delete ***Was held 5 times with no call

Now for the interperatation... This is still an improvement from the first week.

I respect and read everyones break down...But like I said I'd rather re-watch it myself because there have been times that posters have commented about a player...I go to watch the tape...and It'd nothing like the said it was...I would bet anything, that a lot of people either didn't hear the announcer say we played nickel as our base defense, or didn't recognize the extra DB on the field...We all have our own opinions..we happen to disagree on Mario's play at the moment...no biggie....

edit: I also notice you have him down for three tackles...Mario had two tackles and no assist so I don't know how you got three...different people see different things

 

[Speedy]

I respect and read everyones break down...But like I said I'd rather re-watch it myself because there have been times that posters have commented about a player...I go to watch the tape...and It'd nothing like the said it was...I would bet anything, that a lot of people either didn't hear the announcer say we played nickel as our base defense, or didn't recognize the extra DB on the field...We all have our own opinions..we happen to disagree on Mario's play at the moment...no biggie....

Then how about watching the damn tape before coming on here and telling somebody who has watched it that you don't believe blah, blah, blah? I can't tell you how many times I've watched a game, on tv or live, that I catch something I didn't see before after watching the tape. Probably because you can look for certain things, rewind and watch it again, that you can't do during the broadcast of the game or in person.

No, you'll just assume you saw it better the first time than someone who watched the damn replay.

 

[Green Bird]

I just finished watching the Tivo of the game 1 play at a time to see how Mario Williams had improved since the first game. I did not notice this stuff during the Game but I thought it was interesting.

Beat = Beat his man and was headed for Manning forcing a quicker throw
Tackle = Tackles
Grasp = Had Manning in his Grasp during the throw
Force = Forced Manning to slide or go out of bounds
Off = Off Sides
Stand = Standing around clueless
Held = Blatantly Held and no Holding Call

1st Quarter - only in on Half of the downs
Beat-2
Held-2

2nd Quarter
Beat-2
Tackle-1
Stand-1

3rd Quarter
Beat-1
Tackle-1
Grasp-3
Force-1
0ff-1
Held-3

4th Quarter
Beat-2
Tackle-1
Force-1

So basically in a game against a very good Offensive line he...

Made 3 Tackles
Beat his man and pressured the QB 7 times
Had the QB in his Grasp 3 times when the ball was released
Forced the QB to slide or out of bounds 2 times
Was off sides 1 time
Was standing around 1 time
Was held 5 times with no call - (happens all the time in the NFL) but shows desperation on the offensive lineman’s part

I call that a major leap forward from last week.

While your analysis was very detailed and thorough, you seem to be missing one key point.

They drafted him to sack quarterbacks. That's what DE's do in this league. They're no bonuses for "almost sacks".

Say what you will about his development. As the #1 overall pick, you're expected to make an impact immediately. Not Week 3, not Week 5. Now.

I also saw the Indy game as well, and I can count at least 10 times where he looked clueless, running into the backfield with the running back ran right by him.

I hate to tell you this, Texans fans, but he will never live up to the #1 pick. This isn't a "you screwed up by not getting Bush" comment. But he's got a long way to go, and you needed an immediate impact player.

With that being said, I hope you win this weekend.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

Here's something people should chew on. How different the line looked and performed when Mario wasn't in. Kalu a seasoned veteran didn't have the same impact as Mario he didn't get the same push or the same output. By the way I finally understand what xxxroyaltyxx meant when he said how Mario played. I thought he was talking about how he played as in aggressiveness and technique while what I know think is he meant as assignment wise. However if this is the case than I gotta disagree, because we as fans don't know what his assignments were on each play. The thing I find undeniable is that at the snap the first game Mario stood straight up while this week at the snap he went forward. I'm not saying that's all I expect from him as I think he should also be getting sacks, but the guy is moving in the right direction. While I would have loved to see him just come in and devastate I have to withhold judgement, because I don't know how him playing DT throughout all off-season and pre-season affected his play. In his first game left at DE he looked more comfortable and it looks like he's getting comfortable and will make progress quickly there... now. However I gotta think that if we had left him at DE from the beginning he would be more comfortable and would have made a much bigger impact. I got faith he'll put alot more together this weekend and we'll see clear improvement.

 

[run-david-run]

While your analysis was very detailed and thorough, you seem to be missing one key point.

They drafted him to sack quarterbacks. That's what DE's do in this league. They're no bonuses for "almost sacks".

Say what you will about his development. As the #1 overall pick, you're expected to make an impact immediately. Not Week 3, not Week 5. Now.

I also saw the Indy game as well, and I can count at least 10 times where he looked clueless, running into the backfield with the running back ran right by him.

I hate to tell you this, Texans fans, but he will never live up to the #1 pick. This isn't a "you screwed up by not getting Bush" comment. But he's got a long way to go, and you needed an immediate impact player.

With that being said, I hope you win this weekend.

I would go ahead and say that sacks are the most overrated defensive stats, at least for an individual. The sack leader the last two years has had 16 sacks. That is one a game. Assuming an average of 25 pass attempts per game, thats a 4% success rate as opposed to a 96% failure rate for the best of the best, if all you are jugding by is sacks. Consistant pressure and hitting the QB, even after he releases the ball is far more important then the one play where the offense loses 7 yards.