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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

steelbtexan said:
Playing for a winning team was really important to MW. LOL

I've been telling you (TK/SAM/Mr. Tex) MW was all about the $$$$.

I'm pretty sure the harshest critic would say that the Buffalo signing shows what MW is all about.

Enjoy the MW experience Bills fans.
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Lol, 6 years 96 million dollar contract, 50 mil guaranteed......yeah, i'd be all about the money too.

my mind and ego are at ease knowing that the texans FO at least discussed with him on some level a fair contract for him & the team. That is all i ever wanted them to do. Whatever happened after that is what happened.
 
infantrycak said:
Whatever. Dale's endless campaign against Mario was and remains ridiculous. His video demonstrated how far he would go to perceive Mario as bad. Very few people said keep Mario no matter what the cost.
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I guess you forget that for almost an entire year Dale continually talked specifically about how we "couldn't" afford Mario and how it wasn't feasible one way or the other due to what he would most certainly ask for. Hell, even the numbers Dale was using were a lot lower than what Mario actually got as well, so it wasn't even in the ball park, but yet so many acted like he knew nothing about the financial situation or anything else for that matter regarding Mario. Well, sorry but when you consider the cap situation that we're in right now and by what Mario got, like it or not Dale was dead on as far as the "financial restraints" that the Texans were going to be in as far as being able to sign Mario especially with Foster still unsigned at the time. Sorry Cak, but you're just going to have to eat this one.



infantrycak said:
And it is very telling that Mario sucked so bad, it was so easy for folks to see his low effort - I mean it just jumped off the film so much to even amateur observers it was so easy to see that teams full of professionals were tripping over themselves to make him the highest paid defensive player.
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Oh yeah, Mario was so great that he was the 3rd or 4th best player on this defense. He plays the most highly coveted position in the league other than the QB position and DE's have been getting top dollars for years around the NFL. Not really a surprise that a good DE would get a huge deal.

Ralph Wilson of the Buffalo Bills signed him who is one of the worst owners in the entire NFL and has one of the most poor reputations as a decision maker for his franchise. The only thing surprising about this is that Wilson actually opened up his wallet for a change, but this deal will most certainly blow up in his face. Mario was going to get a way better deal than what he deserved regardless, but this deal he did get will end up making the Bills look really foolish after a few years. Mario is not going to play hard for them for several seasons. He at least had a lot to prove out here in his first few seasons since so many people acted like he was a bad pick at #1 and that Bush and VY should have been picked over him. Now he'll be on his 2nd gigantic contract and he'll be playing on a bad team in Buffalo of all places. This is not going to be a good deal for the Bills.
 
Texecutioner said:
I guess you forget that for almost an entire year Dale continually talked specifically about how we "couldn't" afford Mario and how it wasn't feasible one way or the other due to what he would most certainly ask for. ... Sorry Cak, but you're just going to have to eat this one.
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Sorry, I don't have to eat anything. I have said on Mario the same thing as I have said on every player - there is some upper limit to what a team should pay. I agree the Texans should not have paid what the Bills did. Where I disagree with dale and apparently you is I don't think you have to denigrate a player to justify saying don't pay more than X. His takes on Mario's actual play have been poor.
 
steelbtexan said:
Playing for a winning team was really important to MW. LOL
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We've had two winning seasons over the last 10 years.
steelbtexan said:
I've been telling you (TK/SAM/Mr. Tex) MW was all about the $$$$.
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Before the signing, I asked the question, & didn't get any response. It was "reported" That the Texans offered Mario a contract including $44M guaranteed. I asked if it were you & the Bills offered $50M guaranteed, all things being equal, would you take it.

We're talking about a $6M difference to a person who just banked $18M the previous season for 4 games.

I don't think this was about the money.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, 6 years 96 million dollar contract, 50 mil guaranteed......yeah, i'd be all about the money too.

my mind and ego are at ease knowing that the texans FO at least discussed with him on some level a fair contract for him & the team. That is all i ever wanted them to do. Whatever happened after that is what happened.
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It's not like 6 years at $60 million would have been chicken feed.

But as you say, all I wanted was for the Texans to make an effort. I think they did that. That it wasn't enough says more about Mario than the organization. Williams was the foundation of what Kubiak built. That didn't mean as much to Mario as an extra $30-$40 million. After already banking $60 mil from the organization. OK, time to move on.
 
Walterfootball.com posted what they thought about it...

Bills sign DE Mario Williams (6 years, $100M; $50M guaranteed): B- Grade
Reports are that Mario Williams is now the richest defensive player in NFL history. Williams' contract will dwarf Peppers' 6-year, $84 million deal.

I'm not a huge fan of this signing. As I've written repeatedly, players who go from good teams to bad franchises for the money seldom pan out. Sure, getting Mario Williams seems great now, but that's exactly how Redskin fans felt when Daniel Snyder signed Albert Haynesworth. There's a reason why successful NFL organizations build through the draft and not free agency.

Williams could have taken a bit less money to play for a winner. Instead, he has shown us that his top priority is his paycheck. With that in mind, is he going to care if the Bills make the playoffs? If he wanted to contend for a Super Bowl, he would have stayed with Houston or gone to another good team. His ultimate goal, as he has proven, does not involve winning the Super Bowl. Otherwise, he wouldn't have signed with Buffalo.

I do not completely hate this signing though because it's big for the Bills' organization (at least at the present moment). The front office needed to give its fan base some hope, as the team hasn't qualified for the playoffs since 1999. Maybe this acquisition will spark a culture change in Buffalo. Maybe Williams will help turn this franchise around. I wouldn't bet on it, but crazier things have happened.
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Hard to disagree there. If he wanted to win as bad as guys like Andre has (who has restructured and in the past taken less) he would still be here or going to a place like Chicago.

As a great Houstonian once said in a post-game rant..."I want winners! I want people that wanna win."
 
fiasco west said:
Hard to disagree there. If he wanted to win as bad as guys like Andre has (who has restructured and in the past taken less) he would still be here or going to a place like Chicago.
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How's that working for Andre?

What's that say about Jjo?
 
thunderkyss said:
How's that working for Andre?

What's that say about Jjo?
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I think the point is Andre understands the cap situation and is willing to work with it. Mario is more about getting the biggest deal he can

Jjo did not get some silly deal. Because of that Texans were able to sign other key players like Manning. Also Jjo did not come from a good team and go to a bad one.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, 6 years 96 million dollar contract, 50 mil guaranteed......yeah, i'd be all about the money too.

my mind and ego are at ease knowing that the texans FO at least discussed with him on some level a fair contract for him & the team. That is all i ever wanted them to do. Whatever happened after that is what happened.
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Me too, LOL

Agreed
 
Lucky said:
It's not like 6 years at $60 million would have been chicken feed.

But as you say, all I wanted was for the Texans to make an effort. I think they did that. That it wasn't enough says more about Mario than the organization. Williams was the foundation of what Kubiak built. That didn't mean as much to Mario as an extra $30-$40 million. After already banking $60 mil from the organization. OK, time to move on.
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It doesn't say anything about Mario other than that he's like the rest of us...period. Again, noone can sit up here & say that they'd have gone about it differently. & if they do say that, 9 out of 10 times they'd be lying.


The circumstances with which this guy came into this organization and how people's reactions are now about his departure says alot about this fan base's attitude toward the guy. Not really beloved & taken in but not exactly and outcast either. Before he left everyone was "we don't need him we were the #2 defense without him.." Now that he's no longer the texans problem its "he's all about the money etc." If we didn't need him, what does it matter that he left & took more money? ****, if i was some place where i was largely not wanted from the get go & folks still don't know how they feel about me 6 years later, i'd look to bolt at my 1st opportunity to.
 
fiasco west said:
Walterfootball.com posted what they thought about it...



Hard to disagree there. If he wanted to win as bad as guys like Andre has (who has restructured and in the past taken less) he would still be here or going to a place like Chicago.

As a great Houstonian once said in a post-game rant..."I want winners! I want people that wanna win."
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You can't compare AJ & Arian's situtation with Mario's b/c:

AJ & Arian have largely been able to get on the field & perform..

neither AJ or Arian ever made it to FA to test the market.

& honestly, out of those 2, Arian's the only guy that i can say i would've had faith we could resign if he chose to test the market...........& that's largely based on Arian just being a different cat. Still noone can say for sure that if either of those guys were offered a stupid contract out on the market that they wouldn't take it and bolt in a heartbeat. This is a business & no where in the world does a business man leave a significant amount of profit on the table if its there for the taking.
 
GP said:
I guess this is the **** we're going to deal with if/when other guys leave.

Can't wait until the day some guy like Cushing leaves and acts like an ass to the media (or on his own media account).

I guess they're all like that. Maybe Schaub isn't. He seems like a guy who would eat three pounds of **** and smile while doing it if it was the right thing to do at the time.

You just never know the character of these guys until you see them walk away. When the squeeze is on, you see what comes out of them.

Mario, eff you. You're the LeBron of the NFL now. A fan tweeted you with kind words and you had to hugging defecate on him/her with that trash about not being offered a contract. You classless piece of refuse. /rant.
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Damn dude, did he spit on your grandma and kick your dog on the way out too?

Seriously.
 
LeBron of the NFL? Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. Mario was not from Houston. He didn't parade around for years about meeting up with his butt-buddies in Buffalo, he didn't quit in the playoffs before leaving for Buffalo (he didn't play either, lol, but that's not his fault), he didn't act like a wishy-washy loser all over TV, radio, and other media for years acting like he didn't know where he was gonna end up, and last but certainly not least, he didn't go on TV with an hour-long, ridiculous, overproduced televised special getting verbal fellating by Jim Gray while ripping the hearts out of the chest of every Houston citizen.

Sure, should Mario have gone on Twitter and said that they didn't even offer him a contract? No. But who cares.

Not. Even. CLOSE. To. LeBron. The NBA players are on an entirely different ****ing level with this bull****.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, 6 years 96 million dollar contract, 50 mil guaranteed......yeah, i'd be all about the money too.

my mind and ego are at ease knowing that the texans FO at least discussed with him on some level a fair contract for him & the team. That is all i ever wanted them to do. Whatever happened after that is what happened.
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This is where I am too.

If I had a chance to set my fam up for life with a 5-6 year contract with most of the money guaranteed, hell, I'd move to Antartica if that's what was required.

If my old/current firm couldn't/wouldn't match it... well, I think they'd understand.

And what I don't get is, if folks are glad he's gone or relieved we didn't overpay because it would ruin the future, why are they hanging on his every tweet??

I could care less about his tweets (but then I'm not a twitter person anyway - sounds too much like stalking to me).

He's wearing another jersey now. I wish him well. Time for everyone to move on. He has.
 
I get that money talks and BS walks........but omg that contract is ridiculous. :mariopalm:

I hope for his sake he lives up to expectations and stays healthy...oh and motivated.
 
I didn't backtrack in this thread so my apologies if this is redundant...

Mario claims that the Texans never made him an offer per his twitter account. I retweeted the quote...twitter link in my siggy.

Chazz DeAlba ‏ @HoustonTexans81 · Open
@bbwolf90 Mario, I respect your descion going to buffalo. Sorry Houston couldn't offer you what buffalo did. Best of luck! #texansloyalfan

Mario Williams ‏ @bbwolf90 Close
@HoustonTexans81 big dawg it was nvr about them matching. The point was THEY NVR OFFERED.
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fiasco west said:
I think the point is Andre understands the cap situation and is willing to work with it. Mario is more about getting the biggest deal he can

Jjo did not get some silly deal. Because of that Texans were able to sign other key players like Manning. Also Jjo did not come from a good team and go to a bad one.
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I think the point is that the Texans are not a "perenial" winner. The Texans aren't winners anymore than the Bengals were. Last year, if you were Jjo & wanted to play for a winning team you would pick Houston over Cincy?

Take off the rose colored glasses & it's a 50/50 proposition at best.

The chances that the Texans will make it to the play-offs in 2012 is only slightly better than the Bills, only because we have the inside track at winning our division. Put Peyton in Tennessee & we're no longer the favorites & we'll probably challenge Buffalo for a Wild-Card spot.

To me, I see very little difference between Mario going to Buffalo & Jjo coming here. So if Mario is a "cad" for going with the highest bidder, what's Jjo? What's Antonio?
 
thunderkyss said:
I think the point is that the Texans are not a "perenial" winner. The Texans aren't winners anymore than the Bengals were. Last year, if you were Jjo & wanted to play for a winning team you would pick Houston over Cincy?

Take off the rose colored glasses & it's a 50/50 proposition at best.

The chances that the Texans will make it to the play-offs in 2012 is only slightly better than the Bills, only because we have the inside track at winning our division. Put Peyton in Tennessee & we're no longer the favorites & we'll probably challenge Buffalo for a Wild-Card spot.

To me, I see very little difference between Mario going to Buffalo & Jjo coming here. So if Mario is a "cad" for going with the highest bidder, what's Jjo? What's Antonio?
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Bullspit. Peyton will not be the Peyton everyone is used to seeing with the Colts, just watch.
 
Vinny said:
I didn't backtrack in this thread so my apologies if this is redundant...

Mario claims that the Texans never made him an offer per his twitter account. I retweeted the quote...twitter link in my siggy.
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Well, that kills that. & it falls in line with the "no cap room" thinking.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Please tell us more, Nostradamus.
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Peyton has been in one system for his whole career, right? I could be wrong, maybe they changed schemes a time or two early but for the most part he has been operating under the same system. Now, he has to go somewhere else and learn all over again. Don't underestimate that. So much of what Peyton brings is knowledge and timing. Now he has to go to a whole new team and figure out how to play under a new system with new teammates, after undergoing what, four neck surgeries? Now, if anyone can pull it off, its Peyton, but to think we're just gonna see the same old Peyton, to me, seems a little far fetched. Maybe he can pull of something akin to what Kurt Warner did in Arizona but Kurt wasn't coming off of four neck surgeries either. Kurt had Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona too, I don't see anyone close to his caliber in Tack land. JMO, of course.
 
jaayteetx said:
Peyton has been in one system for his whole career, right? I could be wrong, maybe they changed schemes a time or two early but for the most part he has been operating under the same system. Now, he has to go somewhere else and learn all over again. Don't underestimate that. So much of what Peyton brings is knowledge and timing. Now he has to go to a whole new team and figure out how to play under a new system with new teammates, after undergoing what, four neck surgeries? Now, if anyone can pull it off, its Peyton, but to think we're just gonna see the same old Peyton, to me, seems a little far fetched. Maybe he can pull of something akin to what Kurt Warner did in Arizona but Kurt wasn't coming off of four neck surgeries either. Kurt had Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona too, I don't see anyone close to his caliber in Tack land. JMO, of course.
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Lol, this is wrong on so many levels...

#1 as matrix says Peyton is the system.

#2 you think Adams is giving this dude literally a blank check so he can come in and learn someone elses system?

wherever peyton lands they will run his offensive system....period. The only team that i can remotely see where they won't is if he ends up in SF. & Even then Harbaugh will likely have a package or 2 where manning is running his system.
 
As far as never offering a contract as Mario tweets above, it may well be true. But if the front office thought locking up Foster was more important, and if locking up Foster means no cap room to offer Mario a deal that wasn't insulting, maybe that was the thought process. In other words, they pretty much knew signing Foster would mean Mario was gone.

Some would say it's bad to not even offer a guy you'd like to have back if you could afford him. But what's worse, what's more insulting? Not making any offer or giving an insulting offer that you know is way less than what he's worth on the free agent market?

In any event, best of luck to Mario with the Bills, as long as it's not in a situation where a Bills win hurts the Texans.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, this is wrong on so many levels...

#1 as matrix says Peyton is the system.

#2 you think Adams is giving this dude literally a blank check so he can come in and learn someone elses system?

wherever peyton lands they will run his offensive system....period. The only team that i can remotely see where they won't is if he ends up in SF. & Even then Harbaugh will likely have a package or 2 where manning is running his system.
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Where do people get the idea it is Manning's system? It is Tom Moore's system. Yes he gave a lot of latitude to Manning. That doesn't make it Manning's system.
 
It's not Manning's system like he designed it or anything.

Manning IS the system. He himself. If you're bringing in Peyton Manning, you're not continuing with whatever your offense is doing. You let the cyborg do what he does. Dude is Skynet, not Miles Dyson.
 
infantrycak said:
Where do people get the idea it is Manning's system? It is Tom Moore's system. Yes he gave a lot of latitude to Manning. That doesn't make it Manning's system.
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Manning didn't write the playbook or dictate which personnel to use. But if you have a guy like him, it's crazy NOT to adapt your offensive scheme to maximize his talents and value.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, this is wrong on so many levels...

#1 as matrix says Peyton is the system.

#2 you think Adams is giving this dude literally a blank check so he can come in and learn someone elses system?

wherever peyton lands they will run his offensive system....period. The only team that i can remotely see where they won't is if he ends up in SF. & Even then Harbaugh will likely have a package or 2 where manning is running his system.
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So, let me get this right, wherever Peyton lands, he brings the system he ran in Indy with him? All the terminology, lingo, whatever, right? Ok, so even if that is true, which I highly doubt, you have everyone else learning something new. There has gotta be a learning curve there, no way he picks up right where he left off.
 
The excerpt below is why I wish the NFL would let teams like Buffalo DIE and go away. Forever. And the Jags too. All the small market teams.

Take a look at this:

As it turns out, Buffalo was more than a leverage stop for Mario Williams. We expected Williams to use an offer from the Bills, an organization that hasn't won a playoff game since 1995, to get a similarly sized deal from a more prominent team. Instead, on Thursday morning Buffalo completed the most surprising free agent signing since Reggie White in 1993, locking up Williams with a six-year deal that guarantees him an incredible $50 million. And as free agent signings go, the deal sure feels like it leans closer to masterstroke than disaster.

The $50 million guarantee is the truly incredible thing about this deal. The previous record in guaranteed money for a defensive player in free agency was set by Albert Haynesworth, and depending on what source you see for that contract, the guaranteed figure was between $36 million and $41 million. If the $50 million figure is legitimate, it dwarfs the previous record and creates a new standard for dominant defensive players to approach. Without this deal, the Packers could have gone to Clay Matthews this offseason and creditably offered him $40 million in guaranteed money as part of a new deal; now, no. 52 will probably get $52 million in guarantees on his next contract.
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So, let me get this straight....the NFL has teams sharing revenue, right? A small market team like Buffalo cannot "compete" with the other teams...so a portion of revenues get sent to Buffalo to keep them afloat.

Along comers Buffalo and pays roughly $14 million more (guaranteed) than what Albert Haynesworth got. Now, this new fat contract will drive up the price for all defensive players in the league.

And it was Buffalo who did it. BUFFALO. Does that register? A team who hasn't been relevant since the mid 1990s, and has shrunk to the point of having to play in Canada. A whiny owner. Abysmal. And they paid $14 million MORE in guaranteed money than what Haynesworth received.

The NFL has to do something about these contracts. They got the rookie pay scale situation under control. Next CBA they need to get free agency pay scale resolved. They, and the fans, cannot afford this escalating war of contracts for free agents.

Buffalo and Mario, together, are not doing the NFL and its fans a service. Yet the NFL takes care of the Bills every year. Fans' money is taking care of the Bills. Simply amazing. I cannot believe this is not a story on any of the sports media channels or publications. It's sickening. It's bad when Washington does it, but it's worse when a welfare team is doing it. This is why I say they shouldn't be allowed to have the full cap as other teams do--Lower theirs, proportionately, and make them do with what they NEED. Or simply let them die.

Freaking welfare state affecting everything, even the NFL.
 
GP said:
The excerpt below is why I wish the NFL would let teams like Buffalo DIE and go away. Forever. And the Jags too. All the small market teams.

Take a look at this:



So, let me get this straight....the NFL has teams sharing revenue, right? A small market team like Buffalo cannot "compete" with the other teams...so a portion of revenues get sent to Buffalo to keep them afloat.

Along comers Buffalo and pays roughly $14 million more (guaranteed) than what Albert Haynesworth got. Now, this new fat contract will drive up the price for all defensive players in the league.

And it was Buffalo who did it. BUFFALO. Does that register? A team who hasn't been relevant since the mid 1990s, and has shrunk to the point of having to play in Canada. A whiny owner. Abysmal. And they paid $14 million MORE in guaranteed money than what Haynesworth received.

The NFL has to do something about these contracts. They got the rookie pay scale situation under control. Next CBA they need to get free agency pay scale resolved. They, and the fans, cannot afford this escalating war of contracts for free agents.

Buffalo and Mario, together, are not doing the NFL and its fans a service. Yet the NFL takes care of the Bills every year. Fans' money is taking care of the Bills. Simply amazing. I cannot believe this is not a story on any of the sports media channels or publications. It's sickening. It's bad when Washington does it, but it's worse when a welfare team is doing it. This is why I say they shouldn't be allowed to have the full cap as other teams do--Lower theirs, proportionately, and make them do with what they NEED. Or simply let them die.

Freaking welfare state affecting everything, even the NFL.
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Awful elitist of you.
 
GP said:
Along comers Buffalo and pays roughly $14 million more (guaranteed) than what Albert Haynesworth got. Now, this new fat contract will drive up the price for all defensive players in the league.
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It's a salary cap league. The contracts can only go up as the total revenue goes up. Mario's just the latest and the greatest. Jason Pierre-Paul will likely top that when it's his turn.

I hear what you're saying about the Bills taking your cash and using it to steal your players. But there's something cool about a little market team having the ability to get a premium free agent. You'll never see the Royals or Pirates able to sign a Pujols or A-Rod. That's what makes the NFL the greatest league in sports.
 
GP said:
The excerpt below is why I wish the NFL would let teams like Buffalo DIE and go away. Forever. And the Jags too. All the small market teams.
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You do know that Houston couldn't compete with teams from NY, LA (if they had one), Chicago, and probably even Philly, if there was no revenue sharing, right? Just look at baseball...
 
paycheck71 said:
You do know that Houston couldn't compete with teams from NY, LA (if they had one), Chicago, and probably even Philly, if there was no revenue sharing, right? Just look at baseball...
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Maybe in baseball, but in football, at least right now, Houston would do just fine, thank you. Now, if the team turns into a perinneal loser and people stop renewing their tickets...
 
jaayteetx said:
Maybe in baseball, but in football, at least right now, Houston would do just fine, thank you. Now, if the team turns into a perinneal loser and people stop renewing their tickets...
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Season ticket sales is just a small portion of your total revenue. If you divide TV revenue money based on media market rankings, Houston would have a hard time keeping up with the larger markets. Houston is #10 or #11 in the country.
 
paycheck71 said:
Season ticket sales is just a small portion of your total revenue. If you divide TV revenue money based on media market rankings, Houston would have a hard time keeping up with the larger markets. Houston is #10 or #11 in the country.
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So we'd be screwed in a 9-team NFL then.
 
TheIronDuke said:
So we'd be screwed in a 9-team NFL then.
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I imagine anyone outside of the top 5 would probably be screwed with any size NFL larger than 5. And by screwed I mean unable to compete consistently. Sure, you could overspend and build a team, but then you'd have to break it up because you can't afford it.
 
paycheck71 said:
Season ticket sales is just a small portion of your total revenue. If you divide TV revenue money based on media market rankings, Houston would have a hard time keeping up with the larger markets. Houston is #10 or #11 in the country.
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According to Forbes the Texans are one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL...
 
Trap_Star said:
lol @ mario going to the "it was my best friend card"...what a f'n puss.
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Just what I was thinking. Looks like he pulled a Jedi mind trick on Jerome Solomon too.

Jerome Solomon ‏ @JeromeSolomon
@Dunnofthe Dead No, I didn't argue with anyone. You must have misread the tweets. No one hacked my account. No tweets came from me.
In reply to Owen Dunn

Jerome Solomon ‏ @JeromeSolomon
@ozwaldthedog I didn't make any comments to Mario last night. Haven't deleted any tweets.
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I've never seen a more passive-aggressive Twitter war.
 
that says a lot about mario...has the balls to talk down on somone when he won't have to deal with that person again, and you could tell he wanted to do it for the longest now....and when confronted by that person, he still manages to shrivel up.
 
paycheck71 said:
You do know that Houston couldn't compete with teams from NY, LA (if they had one), Chicago, and probably even Philly, if there was no revenue sharing, right? Just look at baseball...
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You're wrong, but others have already corrected it for me.
 
infantrycak said:
Where do people get the idea it is Manning's system? It is Tom Moore's system. Yes he gave a lot of latitude to Manning. That doesn't make it Manning's system.
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Well of course its not his system in the sense of him creating it..of course not. But lets face it, there aren't but a handful of qb's in the game..probably history who could run that system to perfection like Manning did/does.


The other thing is, nobody really knew who Tom Moore was until he hooked up with Manning. So in a sense it is manning's system b/c noone has run Moore's system as perfectly before or since Manning's arrival.
 
Mr teX said:
Well of course its not his system in the sense of him creating it..of course not. But lets face it, there aren't but a handful of qb's in the game..probably history who could run that system to perfection like Manning did/does.


The other thing is, nobody really knew who Tom Moore was until he hooked up with Manning. So in a sense it is manning's system b/c noone has run Moore's system as perfectly before or since Manning's arrival.
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OK. Describe the intricacies of the Manning system which only he can run. Point out the specifics of what is different about it that can't be run by anyone but a hall of fame QB.
 
This thread was originally started back in MARCH 2011 before the season started last year.

It started as a thread on trading Mario to get Aso. It was my attempt to GET SOMETHING for Mario before we lost him and got NOTHING which sadly is what happened.

I am not sure why this thread has beem merged and the title changed to Buffalo and moved to NFL. This was the 2nd MOST VIEWED thread and 2nd most active thread in the Texans history.

I don't think it belongs in the NFL section. I think this question of
"What to do with Mario" is one of the most important decisions in the Texans history.

We now are seeing the results of that decision.

Please look at some of the posts before it was merged.



Most of these post were before the start of the 2011 season when maybe we could have traded Mario for draft choices, freed up money to extend some of our players before they hit free agency like we did to Foster this year.

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We spread out the risk if we make the trade. We need alot of help on defense. If Mario was a sure thing in the new system then I don't know if it makes as much sense. But Mario is a BIG question mark. I don't think the Texans can gamble and hope he is happy in his new role and healthy. I do think he is thought of highly around the NFL or at least I hope he is or this deal will not work. Gary above said in one instant a player could be gone. If we do nothing we only have Mario. If someone is willing to trade maybe we get 3 for 1 and even if 1 goes down we have 2 other productive players. Also maybe NA is not the one to get. Maybe you get 2 highly productive players and a draft choice in the trade and sign someone else in FA, then package the 11 with the choice picked up and move up to get a better player in the draft. I don't know. All I know is if the trade happens we have multiple chance to be successful. Keep Mario and you are rolling the dice on Mario.

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan
Agreed

Plus MW is going to be due a huge contract extention after this season. (He will get one whether it's from the Texans are somebody else based on untapped potential) So the time is right to trade him now while you can get something close to maximum value.

MW is one of those guys who will leave you at the altar. In short he's overrated. (Always got some kind of freak injury.) The Texans need to rebuild this defense with high character guys. Not guys who are more worried about bling and racing their sports cars. Am I the only one that gets the feeling that football isn't the #1 priority in MW's life?

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Originally Posted by gafftop
Simplified possible Mario outcomes next season:
1. Plays good when healthy but has some type of nagging injury as last two years
2. Does not adapt to 3-4.
3. Plays great in his contract year

In 1 we get probably nothing or do we get compensation because we do not sign as we did with Dunta. Last pick in draft. LOL

In 2 same as 1

In 3, do you want to give Mario say 20+ million for the next 5 years based on his last year of performance. Say the cap is 120 million. If you divide in half, half for offense and half for defense, do you really want to give Mario 33% of all money for defense? I sure don't. DO YOU?

In reality probably no player is worth that large of % of cap. Maybe Peyton or Brady etc QBs of that caliber may be the only position that warrants that and even then it is a crap shoot because of injury.

The above is why I think IF you can get a good deal in a trade this year you do it.

It is very likely that other teams view Mario in the same way and will give nothing for him this year. I don't know. But if there are teams out that that covet him I think it should seriously be considered by the Texans.

I don't think Aso is a good deal based on reasoning above.
Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by gafftop
I tend to agree with you. It makes me sick that we will get nothing or worse we sign Mario to another big contract. I would be OK with a proven player and a high draft choice next year. That is better than nothing. The Patriots get incrementally better with each trade. It may not be a blockbuster trade but they do get better and younger. The overall talent level of the team is always getting better, plus they know talent that allows them to continually get better. The Texans on the other hand tend to make trades that makes no difference or more often makes them worse. Have they ever made a trade that improved the team? I know Schaub, but we did not give up an actual player. Have we ever traded a player and received a draft choice or player? i umderstand we don't have a lot to trade. Mario is about the only one that MAY have value that I would trade. Just rambling now not looking forward to this coming season.

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Originally Posted by gafftop
If a trade had been made and we had a 1A WR and a quality CB where would we be? Exact same team we have now only instead of Mario we have a 1A wr and a quality CB. Even before the Mario injury I would have been in favor of the WR and CB. I think Jamison played good. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by gafftop
Heard today that the franchise cost on Mario is about 20 mill. When I made statement above I thought his franchise cost would be 10 mill as a LB. Sorry at 20 mill or 1/7 of whole salary cap for the TExans for next year I would say pass. Just don't sign him to a big dollar long term contract. Just my opinion.

This season is over. Now we have to deal with the biggest decision maybe in the Texans history. What to do with Mario.

The best option is long passed and that was to trade him before the season started. Now what do you do with him. I can't possibly see how we pay him $20 mill to franchise. I don't see him giving us any special deal. We have many needs and I wouldn't like the message sent to the rest of the team if we sign Mario at the expense of current players. I am tired of people saying we have salary cap issues that keep us from signing FA or our own players when we pay Mario $17 million. You don't build a team when you pay that type of money to Mario.

I know I am obsessed with this issue but it will overshadow any other decisons made this offseason and will dffect this team for years to come.

I know many will say sign him to a long term deal pay him a big bonus so he only counts $7-$8 million against the cap. Still don't see how you do this and not hurt the team.

What are the feelings out there. Are they the same as they were last year when I started this thread. My main concern back then was injury and motor and my main concern now is injury and motor.

Foster said nothing all season. NOW is the time to take care of him not Mario.
 
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